KiwiFarms' Best Game Ever Bracket

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SSj_Ness (Yiffed) said:
Even the worst of Zelda (which ain't LttP anyway) is better than the best RTS slop
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If you could read, which you obviously can't because you think any RTS counts as slop, you'd know I was talking about Majora's Mask. LttP is the best LoZ and I still voted for Max Payne.
 
I have zero affinity for Link To The Past, meanwhile I still own my original PC copy of Max Payne. I like DOOM II but I love Symphony Of The Night, another easy choice.

Unlike yesterday's vote there's nothing here I'd be sad to see go through to the next round though.
 
Die Oberste Direktive said:
I'll never understand how to most irritating and repetitive LoZ game could beat the pinnacle of RTS games
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Majora's Mask was never really improved on so it's still the go-to title for a surreal fantasy action adventure. Meanwhile Red Alert 2 and Empire Earth 2 are better than AoE 2 imo.
 
I honestly think SOTN is slightly overrated when it comes to Castlevania games gameplay-wise (AOS is better) and roll my eyes whenever I see it listed as one of the best games of all time (Late game offers almost no challenge, especially with the mist. No, giving Galamoth a lot of HP doesn't make him an interesting boss). That being said, some of you complained about picking between DOOM vs DOOM II, so I'll help you avoid that dilemma :smug:
 
Toilet seats vendor said:
I honestly think SOTN is slightly overrated when it comes to Castlevania games gameplay-wise (AOS is better) and roll my eyes whenever I see it listed as one of the best games of all time
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Aria and Dawn of Sorrow are both better, but I'd expect so given they came out after. I think you need to contextualise SOTN's popularity against when it came out. Similar to Super Mario 64, which is a relatively basic game in isolation, there was virtually nothing like SOTN when it came out except Super Metroid so it pretty much set the standard for the genre going forward, hence why it's one half of the Metroidvania genre.

It's not a game I replay as often as other Castlevania games, but I still think there's a lot to love about it.
 
Oliver Onions said:
I think you need to contextualise SOTN's popularity against when it came out. Similar to Super Mario 64, which is a relatively basic game in isolation, there was virtually nothing like SOTN when it came out except Super Metroid so it pretty much set the standard for the genre going forward, hence why it's one half of the Metroidvania genre.
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Hamlet is just a bunch of famous sayings, I don't know what the big deal is.
 
Oliver Onions said:
Aria and Dawn of Sorrow are both better, but I'd expect so given they came out after. I think you need to contextualise SOTN's popularity against when it came out. Similar to Super Mario 64, which is a relatively basic game in isolation, there was virtually nothing like SOTN when it came out except Super Metroid so it pretty much set the standard for the genre going forward, hence why it's one half of the Metroidvania genre.

It's not a game I replay as often as other Castlevania games, but I still think there's a lot to love about it.
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The reverse/inverted castle is something that's incredibly memorable and makes the game stand out a lot as well. It's not the first game by any means to do something like a light/dark world, but it's one of the more unique takes on it. Even the awful voice acting has a certain charm to it.
 
So far it seems I've grossly underestimated the nostalgia factor in this tournament. In particular, the "you just got home from school and mom is calling Pizza Hut" type of nostalgia. The fact that the worst Zelda game (not counting the first two) has made it so far really shows how powerful remembering the good times is.

I'm also surprised at how old these games are skewing. Maybe this tournament in particular is attracting an older crowd, but I've always gotten the feeling that KF's average age is like mid 20s. No goddamn way is a 25 year old voting for Max Payne.
 
I'm not sure how LttP is the worst Zelda when Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword exist. Or any handheld Zelda other than Link's Awakening.

I can see an argument that it's just a Zelda 1 upgrade and doesn't do anything revolutionary, but it did everything Zelda 1 did so much better that it kind of proved that the 2D top down adventure works as a genre and that Nintendo were kings at it. It also established the template Nintendo built OoT built on. (3 dungeons, world change, 7 dungeons, gannon) I can't remember if LttP was the first Nintendo game to utilize the mirror world mechanic (I guess SMB2 USA would be earlier if that counts) but they've returned to that over the years, particularly with Zelda.

I can't comment on Max Payne since it's not really my genre, but as an outsider I don't remember getting the sense that it was particularly noteworthy outside of implementing bullet time.

I think older games dominate in these kind of events because older games have the nostalgia buff, they are more likely to have been recognized as influential instead of just being a GOTY 20XX, and younger users are less interested because they don't have the history to get too invested in a "best game ever" discussion. If I started gaming on the PS3 I'm not sure I'd have much to say here because the landscape hasn't been transformed much since those days (and it if it has, it's been distribution, not gameplay).

Irene and 22 others said:
The reverse/inverted castle is something that's incredibly memorable and makes the game stand out a lot as well. It's not the first game by any means to do something like a light/dark world, but it's one of the more unique takes on it. Even the awful voice acting has a certain charm to it.
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SOTN was significant for its time because it did something that is incredibly difficult - it reinvented an iconic series in a way that was completely unexpected (even if you could trace some of the instinct to CV2), it made full use of the Playstation without running head first into 3D like most other big names of the time, and almost no one complained about losing the traditional format. It's janky in a lot of ways (once the delight of the idea of the second castle fades, it's not actually fun to explore or play) but it came out really well and very few 2D games have matched its pixel art.
 
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KiwiFarms' Best Game Ever:
Round 4, Matches 7 & 8
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Tetris [1984] vs. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars [1996] | Doom [1993] vs. Half-Life [1998]

Yesterday's winners:
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (27 votes) vs. Max Payne (29 votes) | Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (35 votes) vs. Doom II (25 votes)​
 
Megaton Punch said:
So far it seems I've grossly underestimated the nostalgia factor in this tournament. In particular, the "you just got home from school and mom is calling Pizza Hut" type of nostalgia. The fact that the worst Zelda game (not counting the first two) has made it so far really shows how powerful remembering the good times is.

I'm also surprised at how old these games are skewing. Maybe this tournament in particular is attracting an older crowd, but I've always gotten the feeling that KF's average age is like mid 20s. No goddamn way is a 25 year old voting for Max Payne.
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Based on what I know, KiwiFarms is very much neophobic, due in part to stuff like wokeness and globalhomo. Really, nostalgically fawning over "the good ol' days" has pretty much been a given on the Internet since its inception.
 
Tetris is going to rape Mario. I can't watch...

I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis said:
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (27 votes) vs. Max Payne (29 votes)
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Lame but sort of expected.

Die Oberste Direktive said:
If you could read, which you obviously can't because you think any RTS counts as slop, you'd know I was talking about Majora's Mask. LttP is the best LoZ and I still voted for Max Payne.
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Tired, nigger. Also, Max Payne isn't even that good, plays like shit.
 
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