Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker - Won an Oscar

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What will the combined score of shootings blamed on "Joker" be after opening weekend?

  • 0

    Votes: 13 11.7%
  • 1-10

    Votes: 23 20.7%
  • 11-20

    Votes: 3 2.7%
  • 21-39

    Votes: 5 4.5%
  • 40+

    Votes: 67 60.4%

  • Total voters
    111
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If it turns out to be a derivative mess, then fuck it, I'm all for killing off loud, quippy capeshit. There are worse things to rip off than Scorsese.
 
If it turns out to be a derivative mess, then fuck it, I'm all for killing off loud, quippy capeshit. There are worse things to rip off than Scorsese.

A Scorsese ripoff is still better than a majority of most movies like you said. Just look at Cop Land.

 
I told ya'll niggers this would be kino. All the rotten reviews are MUH INCELS so technically it should be even higher.

This is a truly nightmarish vision of late-era capitalism - arguably the best social horror film since Get Out - and Joaquin Phoenix is magnetic in it.
This is a positive review, but what the hell?

As social commentary, Joker is pernicious garbage.
Robert Ebert wouldn't want his name used like this.
 
Wanted to get this out of my head but did anyone else think of the Pepe Clown when they saw the trailers?
 
Any man behaving oddly for any reason is an incel. No exceptions.
More like white men are incels despite they all are rapists at the same time...

I've seen but good reviews, except for ones made by the usual suspects who believe this is encouraging men to act violent and don't get is just a moment of sympathy for a well known villain... I can't wait to watch it.
 
I still can’t believe that it’s directed by the same guy who directed The Hangover.
Todd Phillips deserves a bit more credit than being "the guy who directed The Hangover." His first movie was Hated, a documentary on GG Allin. I haven't seen that myself (Allin seemed to like what little he saw of it before being thrown out of the screening for...well being Allin), but if that was the subject of his first movie, I think this is a subject he could competently tackle in a fiction movie.
 
Honestly, if the only people who are gonna dislike this film are people who like the Disney remakes and new Star Wars, then we're in for a good time.
 
Todd Phillips deserves a bit more credit than being "the guy who directed The Hangover." His first movie was Hated, a documentary on GG Allin. I haven't seen that myself (Allin seemed to like what little he saw of it before being thrown out of the screening for...well being Allin), but if that was the subject of his first movie, I think this is a subject he could competently tackle in a fiction movie.

I linked Hated back on page 1, breh. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/joaquin-phoenix-as-the-joker.48575/post-3836379


It's in English despite the subtitles.
 
I think the one things the Nolan Batman movies got right was leaving his origin a mystery.

I believe this isn't supposed to be a definitive Joker origin story, it's just the story of a Joker in one specific universe not connected to any other DC Comics-related production in any other continuity. I like the ambiguity of the Joker as well, but this movie won't ruin that as it's just an example of the Joker's origin being completely different every time it's told, which adds to the mystery instead of detracting from it.
 

Critics Can’t Decide If ‘Joker’ Is a “Masterpiece” or a “Rallying Cry” for Incels


After early social media reacts emerged yesterday, the first full reviews of Todd Phillips’ Joker have arrived. The film was premiered at Venice Film Festival over the weekend where it received an eight minute standing ovation — needless to say the majority of critics reviews reflect this love. Time Out calls the movie “the best social horror film since Get Out” while Forbes declares it “one of the true masterpieces of the superhero cinema.” Elsewhere, star Joaquin Phoenix gets praised for his portrayal of the classic villain.


However, a few reviewers have cautioned that Joker is a toxic and potentially dangerous movie. According to IndieWire, the movie is “a toxic rallying cry for self-pitying incels” made by “a glorified edgelord” while Time calls it “a prime example” of the “emptiness of our culture.”

Read on for the full critic roundup and revisit the final trailer below. Joker hits theaters October 4

Joker is “relevant” and “one of 2019’s greatest achievements”
“Nobody who sees this new film will ever need any other version.”
David Sexton, London Evening Standard
“This is a truly nightmarish vision of late-era capitalism – arguably the best social horror film since Get Out – and Joaquin Phoenix is magnetic in it.”
Philip De Semlyen, Time Out
“Joker is one of the true masterpieces of the superhero cinema, and one of 2019’s greatest achievements.”
Mark Hughes, Forbes
“A dazzlingly disturbed psycho morality play, one that speaks to the age of incels and mass shooters and no-hope politics, of the kind of hate that emerges from crushed dreams.”
Owen Gleiberman, Variety
“Joker succeeds thanks to the talents of Phoenix, who’s crafted a layered, terror-inducing antagonist, and earned his rightful place alongside Heath Ledger and Jack Nicholson in the pantheon of all-time-great Jokers.”
Marlow Stern, The Daily Beast
““Joker” is a dark, brooding and psychologically plausible origin story, a vision of cartoon sociopathy made flesh.”
Justin Chang, Los Angeles Times
But it’s also potentially dangerous
“Phillips may want us to think he’s giving us a movie all about the emptiness of our culture, but really, he’s just offering a prime example of it.”
Stephanie Zacharek, TIME Magazine
“Todd Phillips’ “Joker” is unquestionably the boldest reinvention of “superhero” cinema since “The Dark Knight”; a true original that’s sure to be remembered as one of the most transgressive studio blockbusters of the 21st Century. It’s also a toxic rallying cry for self-pitying incels […] directed by a glorified edgelord who lacks the discipline or nuance to responsibly handle such hazardous material, and who reliably takes the coward’s way out of the narrative’s most critical moments.”
David Ehrlich, IndieWire
““For so many tragic reasons, the American imagination has of late been preoccupied with the motivations of disaffected white men who’ve turned violent […] In Joker, “we watch the terrible burgeoning of just such a man and are, in some grim way, asked to sympathize with him.””
Richard Lawson, Vanity Fair
“Having brazenly plundered the films of Scorsese, Phillips fashions stolen ingredients into something new, so that what began as a gleeful cosplay session turns progressively more dangerous – and somehow more relevant, too.”
Xan Brooks, Guardian
“If you strip the Joker and his nearly 80-year history as a cultural icon out of this film, as well as all the 1970s movie homages, there’s not a whole lot left except for Phoenix’s performance, and it’s the kind of turn that’s destined to be divisive.”
Alonso Duralde, TheWrap
“As social commentary, Joker is pernicious garbage.”
Glenn Kenny, RogerEbert.com
 
The only people I see regularly using the word "incel" look exactly like the sort of dudes that wonder why their wife's wedding band is always on the dresser every friday night.
 
If this movie has got the SJWs all assmad about 'incels' and 'white men being assertive' then its a opening night movie ticket for me.
 
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