Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Holy shit, thank you. This makes so much sense.

I don't know too much about Viv (yet) so I'd like to have some examples/parallels for i.e "enjoy exploiting the vulnerable" or "lack of empathy" or looking down on the underclass (I thought Charlie Had at least that, empathy, am I missing s.th? Probably shouldn't have watched HH on my phone while running on a treadmill...)

Exploiting the vulnerable I can think of several examples.

Exploiting her friends who worked for her (Kendraws and Dollcreep) as they did not have resources for a lawyer/NDA. Knowing they were basically at her whim.

Catering her writing to the LGBTQ+ community which has always been a vulnerable community given that the community has a higher chance of mental illnesses. Charlies patrons are all on the LGBTQ spectrum so take that of what you will..

Exploiting SA and rape, she will say that shes doing it for sex work and people in the industry. And will make excuses for why Poison or AngelDust are worth being in her show. When she has a known rape fetish, and a bondage/beating/gore fetish. And even hire a rape fetishist who choreographed, storyboarded and kins AngelDust and Valentino/Vox.

Said storyboard artist is vulnerable at least mentally they are not sound but she hired them. Raphelle has had alot of work in the Spindlehorse company. Choreography, storyboarding, writing, and even specific scenes were put in from their works. She came out as Trans or nonbinary some flavor of special. Kins herself as AngelDust getting into the SAME industry AngelDust is (Onlyfans) looking for pimps for their fetish, renaminging themselves Anthony (or something close to AngelDusts human name) and essentially skinsuits him and his abuse.

Using college kids and people lacking experience to abuse and exploit for labor for working on said shows.

The whole show itself is exploiting the vulnerable. As quoted from the show "people are desperate so desperate they will try anything to redeem themselves". Not the idea that redeeming should be about doing it because they are turning over a new leaf but to get out of being genocided, raped, abused ect.


AngelDust himself is constantly being exploited in the show for Charlies ego. Vaggie in a way has as well (where else will she go back to), her staff are being forced to work at the hotel not because they want to but because they are slaves and have to.

Patrons at the hotel are vulnerable and Charlie doesn't actually even know most of their names or bother to fully invest in their redemption.

The show is about the lack of family structures, and exploits peoples emotions for half baked stories.




Lack of empathy

What I mean by that is both have "preformitive empathy" meaning no real empathy at all


Giving the rape fetishist a job for the rape scenes and rape dance.

When a CSA victim/rape victims stated they did not like poison and gave their takes on it as a survivor. I'm not kidding when she she basically called them pussy's lied about said rape artist being a victim when the rape artist had admitted she never experienced it and just has a rape fetish.

Vivziepop has made sexual remarks on pushing said Poison the rape video. When she says she cares about that topic that seem very disrespectful for people.

Scott Cawthon's dox she helped push for him being canceled because he has different political takes then her. Fanning her fanbase to harass him and his family then cried when it happened to her.

Vivziepop talks shit about ex-friends and past employees trying to blacklist them from other projects/funneling them to ONLY work for her project. And getting mad that they are working on other projects (when the reason why they do it is because she doesn't pay well) making it about her and her needs.


Charlie doesn't actually save AngelDust or even talk to him on the same level. She instead simplifies him and the other patrons pain.

Charlie doesn't empathize with AngelDusts abuse and instead is upset that hes not focusing on her stuff. She instead trivializes it, doesnt help him get out of his rape contract, doesn't help him when he literally came out beaten and bruised and STILL let him go back to his said rapist and his rape helpers.

Charlie never once tried to get AngelDust out of the contract even though she would know of his daily beatings/sodomization. Or even anyother patrons soul contracts.

Charlie doesn't have empathy for Vaggie when it comes to helping her with her hotel, when it comes to being a casted angel, the people her girlfriend killed as essentially a Nazi soldier who helped with said genocide, that Vaggie now (might be an abused victim herself as she was being slapped around in heaven by Lute and Adam).


Charlie doesn't actually care that her hotel uses slave labor. (Husk, Niffty, and Alastor (though she didn't know he was a slave himself)) much like Viv doesn't care to credit or pay her people properly. And her company is currently experiencing a lawsuit.


I personally think the lack of empathy might be because both have undiagnosed NPD tendencies. And Vivs writing has always been about her, so she can't help but go full Narcissus with her staring at her reflection all day only for it to be Charlie.


Looking down on the lowerclass


The show is all about fixing the "undesirables".

Charlie is disgusting with what the lowerclass actually does in her kingdom.

Vivziepops shows have always been about the lowerclass fighting the upperclass. While the upperclass in her shows/Zoophobia are always actually "pretty cool and good guys" when they are shown to be detestible.

Charlie and Viv skinsuit as the lowerclass and being innovative. When they have had backing in their corner being neptobabies.

Vivs mercies pricing and the push of it when the merch has been notably downgraded, and quality dropping. Viv doesn't care though, its not like she has resources to give her fanbase not garbage. Ahem.. Bazos..