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Bro, do you even like pro wrestling?

"Stone Cold Steve Austin didn't have memorable matches" is certainly a take.
A typical Stone Cold match at the height of his popularity was glass shatter, milk theme music by standing on all four turnbuckles, punch, punch, jump on top of a guy straddling him, punch punch, throw him into the corner, sloppy stomps, double birds, stunner, beer chug.
He was overrated. Sorry to say, but there were plenty of guys who were much better than he was in the ring.
Not sure why they didn't include the translation for the live show since we were told the interview took place earlier in the day.

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They are retarded and it's a way to force people to go to their social medias. I still don't understand why they are having overrated dishwasher speak in taco now, her English was better than all of the joshis.
Nice to se Good Ol' Punky, slowly creeping out. He's getting comfortable and complacent again, and doing the "I'm putting X over by beating him and embarassing them" shit he did when starting out in AEW.
If that wasn't planned and he took liberties, I would have rocked him with my own mic if I was Finn. He absolutely made him look like a weak bitch. Even my girlfriend said after he hit him with the microphone "If Finn doesn't win the belt from him at the next show, Punk just made him an opening act forever".
This is like when he did Darby Allin that "favor" of being the first AEW wrestler he buried. His promo work is decent and he's always been sloppy and overrated in the ring, I still don't understand why even though he was never that big of a draw, why so many fat neck beards revere this guy as one of the greatest wrestlers ever just because Vince McMahon approved him to do a worked shoot promo one time.
What I don't understand is that Balor is a drunk and a pothead and he's 44 but he looks 20 years younger than the 47 year old straight edge guy.
 
A typical Stone Cold match at the height of his popularity was glass shatter, milk theme music by standing on all four turnbuckles, punch, punch, jump on top of a guy straddling him, punch punch, throw him into the corner, sloppy stomps, double birds, stunner, beer chug.
He was overrated. Sorry to say, but there were plenty of guys who were much better than he was in the ring.

Cuz he had no knees and a broken neck at the height of his popularity.
 
They gave me another reason to hate Vaquer and her title reign, apparently she's abandoning the English language and will do all of her promos in roach coach waitress now.
It also didn't help that immediately after 5 minutes of Stephanie speaking in gibberish, the next fucking segment after that was Asuka speaking in different gibberish for 5 minutes. If these idiots aren't going to work on the native language of what 90% of the fans speak then at least break apart the segments. Fuck me dead that was annoying.
It was a PRE TAPED INTERVIEW. They came out and said it was pre taped so why didn't they put subtitles? Fucking retards.
This is a good example of why you can't do the same thing with different people and expect the same results.
- Asuka has been speaking in different gibberish for over a decade in WWE and it's worked for her. She's over the top with her presentation and acting in a good way that people can buy into her being the crazy foreign lady. Wrestling is of course a visual medium, so if you can't speak the language then express yourself like you're performing in a cheap stage play so everyone knows what emotion you're conveying. Asuka gets that.
- As for Vaquer, I don't understand what they're going for with her. I like Vaquer, but she came across like a bitch during that interview where she insults Liv who is sitting there taking it then actually cries as she's consoled by Dom. Sure, Liv is probably doing that for sympathy but she's the heel, so what the fuck? It's not like the language barrier between Spanish and English is all that huge. Vaquer needs to speak some English, or for her pre-taped segments they need to put in the subtitles, because based on what she actually said to Liv it didn't warrant the crying. Their feud looks like it's going nowhere, but still two months to go so maybe they can turn things around.
 

Lol, what poor fucker on the WWE roster is going to be forced to be the Dude Wipes guy?
"LET ME TALK TO YA ABOUT WIPING YOUR GOOCH! YEAH!"

edit: after actually reading the statement
"Additionally, reigning Intercontinental Champion Dominik Mysterio, known for his rebellious in-ring persona and cultural resonance, will participate in a first-of-its-kind integration in which his signature gear will feature DUDE Wipes branding during every in-ring appearance on WWE programming, including Monday Night Raw and various PLEs. The integration debuted this past Monday on Raw, when Mysterio returned to in-ring action wearing his recognizable bandana rib cage t-shirt incorporated with DUDE Wipes branding."
I didn't even notice that. Probably for the best.
 
Cuz he had no knees and a broken neck at the height of his popularity.
Then he shouldn't have been the top guy.
This is a good example of why you can't do the same thing with different people and expect the same results.
- Asuka has been speaking in different gibberish for over a decade in WWE and it's worked for her. She's over the top with her presentation and acting in a good way that people can buy into her being the crazy foreign lady. Wrestling is of course a visual medium, so if you can't speak the language then express yourself like you're performing in a cheap stage play so everyone knows what emotion you're conveying. Asuka gets that.
- As for Vaquer, I don't understand what they're going for with her. I like Vaquer, but she came across like a bitch during that interview where she insults Liv who is sitting there taking it then actually cries as she's consoled by Dom. Sure, Liv is probably doing that for sympathy but she's the heel, so what the fuck? It's not like the language barrier between Spanish and English is all that huge. Vaquer needs to speak some English, or for her pre-taped segments they need to put in the subtitles, because based on what she actually said to Liv it didn't warrant the crying. Their feud looks like it's going nowhere, but still two months to go so maybe they can turn things around.
It's just dumb because Asuka can speak a little bit of broken English and be funny and when they want her to be funny they have her go out and speak Japanese and act spastic and it works.
When they want her to be serious or threatening they do a pre tape and use subtitles and she comes off looking like a badass. She's versatile and they either play into her language being a strength or a weakness when they need her to.
Vaquer speaks way better English than any of the Japanese girls do, and there was no excuse for not putting subtitles on that pre tape, other than just to be annoying and make Vaquer look like a twat.
Because that seriously what it looked like. It looked like a girl was doing an interview, and the champion barged in to interrupt and bully her in a language that she didn't understand. Her boyfriend had to translate it and the shit she was saying was apparently so mean that it made Liv cry.
I don't know how many wetbacks watch wrestling that understood that, but every English speaking white person has heat on Vaquer now.
If you were a casual fan and you tuned in after Liv returned from her shoulder surgery, you would watch that segment and think that Liv came back as a face and this cunt who got the title way too fast who doesn't even respect this country enough to speak the language is the bad guy.
I realize that I have a bias because I can't stand Vaquer, I think she's overrated, she's cringe and she's a sloppy wrestler. What else could they have been going for other than making her look like a cunt who bullied Liv to the point of tears?
That's just shit booking.
 
A typical Stone Cold match at the height of his popularity was glass shatter, milk theme music by standing on all four turnbuckles, punch, punch, jump on top of a guy straddling him, punch punch, throw him into the corner, sloppy stomps, double birds, stunner, beer chug.
He was overrated. Sorry to say, but there were plenty of guys who were much better than he was in the ring.
That's 99% of TV matches up until the early 2000s. Bret Hart and Ric Flair used to only do 4-5 moves on TV too. Most of the good shit was on PPV.

It's going to be somewhat subjective anyway, as there is no universal "good match", but to pretend Steve Austin didn't generally have good PPV matches that wrestling fans thought were memorable is farcical. It's not even a Hulk Hogan type of situation where he was popular, but Smarks hated him. Even Meltzer has given a ton of his matches 4+ snowflakes and he was voted best wrestler by Observer readers a few times.
Then he shouldn't have been the top guy.
Who should have been the top guy on the 1997/1998 WWF roster in your opinion?
 
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Then he shouldn't have been the top guy.

That's.. not how being the top guy works. He sold the most tickets. He sold the most merchandise. Any match he was in was the main event for a good 4 years or so. Pro wrestling is not a competitive sport, there is no "the best worker is the top guy" because the top guy then had to be able to talk and pull people in without a match. When Owen broke his neck, not a single one of the WWF stars could take the crown and it was just sitting on the seat of an empty throne. That's how hot Steve Austin was.
 
That's 99% of TV matches up until the early 2000s. Bret Hart and Ric Flair used to only do 4-5 moves on TV too. Most of the good shit was on PPV.
Stone Cold did the same thing I described on pay per views as well. I mean it's a shame that his neck got snapped or whatever but they didn't need to put the strap on them for years.
It's going to be somewhat subjective anyway, as there is no universal "good match", but to pretend Steve Austin didn't generally have PPV matches that wrestling fans thought were memorable is farcical. It's not even a Hulk Hogan type of situation where he was popular, but Smarks hated him. Even Meltzer has given a ton of his matches 4+ snowflakes and he was voted best wrestler by Observer readers a few times.
Memorable and great are two different things. Most of Stone cold's career is marked by amazing storytelling because that was when Vince was at his peak. You could have put pretty much any wrestler in that position beat for beat and they would have gotten over.
Who should have been the top guy on the 1997/1998 WWF roster in your opinion?
97 was Bret Hart if I'm not mistaken so that's that. In 98 a few wrestlers that I can think of that did way more moves that can come to mind were Rock, HHH, Foley, Owen if they would have booked him right, I don't know I wasn't familiar with the product because we didn't have until about 1999.
I know people shit on Jeff Jarrett but he is a really good wrestler. He would have been a great heel but Stone Cold didn't want to work with him because he cut a promo where he correctly said that Austin 3:16 was blasphemous.
I know that wrestling is subjective so people have their favorites and I'm not saying that he didn't have charisma and could cut a great promo, I'm just saying you don't put a half a cripple as your number one guy.
Then again they beat WCW because of it so what the fuck do I know?
 
Memorable and great are two different things.
Here is the post you initially quoted:
Bro, do you even like pro wrestling?

"Stone Cold Steve Austin didn't have memorable matches" is certainly a take.
I'm not going to play a game of "Let's see how far I can move the goalposts" with you.
You could have put pretty much any wrestler in that position beat for beat and they would have gotten over.
If that's the case, why did business drop off literally like a week after Austin turned heel? Why couldn't they just book a new star the same way they booked Austin?
 
I get that Wolf wasn't squashed in kayfabe, but just the announcement of him being at shows draws alot of ticket sales. I'm not saying he's going to be the be all end all of Nooj, but I'm just saying they should be very careful booking him. I've seen a bunch of translated posts from Japanese normies basically calling New Japan retarded and that they won't watch anymore after the Narita match.

If it were me, I'd have Aaron Wolf in a tag team with a veteran were he can get the hot tag and pop from the crowd while he's still green. That way he doesn't have to lose singles matches and he can still learn without being exposed. Or make him a Goldberg type, those are only their only two options right now in my opinion. They may have potentially killed off all his heat as it is.

I think they'll go the tag team route for him. He's likely getting the same treatment in the New Japan Cup in his first round match against Fale.

They can't go the Goldberg route with him because NJPW isn't WCW or WWE. Main event guys need to be really good workers. And if they go the Goldberg route they'd have to have him winning the NJ Cup and/or the G1. Any of his weaknesses would be exposed in those tournaments, especially the G1.

They can have him getting experience in tag matches and when he's ready, they can heat him up in the G1 for a run at the top.

NJPW doesn't do unbeatable guys like prime Hogan or Goldberg. Okada's the closest they've had in the past 10-15 years and he'd still do jobs in the G1. Their theme is struggle through sport.

Now that I've said all that, watch NJPW have him dominate the NJ Cup and take the big belt off of Tsuji. Which would be another explanation for why they had Narita take the belt off him.
 
It's only mid February, but Becky and AJ might have already sewn up the worst promo segment of the year award. Why was AJ ever popular again?
Same reason a lot of stuff got popular about a decade ago despite sucking eggs: smarks circlejerking. In her particular case, buying the pick-me "I'm not like those other girls" gimmick and laying on the astroturf thick.
 
Same reason a lot of stuff got popular about a decade ago despite sucking eggs: smarks circlejerking. In her particular case, buying the pick-me "I'm not like those other girls" gimmick and laying on the astroturf thick.
She also did her own version of the CM Punk Pipebomb promo where she called out the Bellas and other divas who's names I can't be bothered to remember for sucking ass. Granted, stones and glass houses, but compared to most of the other women's wrestlers on the roster at the time, she was a manlet among midgets in terms of personality and ring work.

Edit: The promo in question. I didn't think much of it back then because I didn't respect AJ all that much more than the Bellas.
 
Because they didn't go hard enough on the two man power trip. I firmly believe HHH and Austin should have turned on Vince too and just ran amok on the WWE.
Triple H getting hurt and ending it prematurely has to be one of the biggest what ifs in wrestling history.

Where do you think it would have went after that? Who would be the face to rise up and eventually beat them? I guess the top candidates would be Benoit, Angle and Jericho.

I don't know if Benoit could have been top guy. He was probably the best pure wrestler on the roster, but his lack of charisma hurt him. I think Angle was too much of a natural heel. Maybe they run with Jericho earlier?

What are you thinking?
 
I'm not going to play a game of "Let's see how far I can move the goalposts" with you.
Then quit yappin, fella.
It's only mid February, but Becky and AJ might have already sewn up the worst promo segment of the year award. Why was AJ ever popular again?
The same reason that Punk is revered.
Because most wrestling fans are FUCKING RETARDED.
She also did her own version of the CM Punk Pipebomb promo where she called out the Bellas and other divas who's names I can't be bothered to remember for sucking ass. Granted, stones and glass houses, but compared to most of the other women's wrestlers on the roster at the time, she was a manlet among midgets in terms of personality and ring work.

Edit: The promo in question. I didn't think much of it back then because I didn't respect AJ all that much more than the Bellas. https://youtube.com/watch?v=afedl8HylCY
She's got a lot of nerve calling out anybody for not having talent because compared to the roster now and pretty much everywhere else during her heyday she fucking BLOWS.
 
Triple H getting hurt and ending it prematurely has to be one of the biggest what ifs in wrestling history.

Where do you think it would have went after that? Who would be the face to rise up and eventually beat them? I guess the top candidates would be Benoit, Angle and Jericho.

I don't know if Benoit could have been top guy. He was probably the best pure wrestler on the roster, but his lack of charisma hurt him. I think Angle was too much of a natural heel. Maybe they run with Jericho earlier?

What are you thinking?

It's hard to say because the roster kinda fucking blows at this time. Just Jericho, Benoit, Kane and Undertaker getting dog walked by HHH, Austin, Angle and any of the other heels who would help them like the Dudley's. This would have been the perfect time to be like, "Hey Sting.. we're fuckin light on talent, we'll give you what you want and promise not to fuck you." and that might have been the best choice? Otherwise I got nothin'. I think Benoit and Jericho are good, but I don't think they're heavyweight title good at this time, and Angle is all heel here, so unless he wants to swap sides just for a taste of the title again they're really fucking light on talent.

Oh god I forgot this rolled in to the awful Invasion angle. Oof.
 
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