General Wrestling Discussion

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Yes numbers can go from bad to good if the medium itself is shrinking

Here's what your missing, its just not AEW ratings that are going down it's also their attendance. Besides PPVs they have been struggling to fill 3-5k seat arenas. A lot of AEW fans admit they only watch the PPVs because the weekly shows are so horrible. The post PPV ratings show that.

I understand Tony has the money but why continue to hemorrhage it, if you can do one big show a month and maybe actually make a profit why wouldn't you? If their ratings continue to go downhill who would even offer them another deal?

Yes, WWE ratings are slumping as well, but they still sell out almost every show even with absurd ticket prices.

This isn't a boomer ass take, this is going looking into the future and wondering could AEW do just as good if they only did PPVs? Why does a wrestling company need weekly TV to be successful?

Maybe they just run Dailys place 3 weeks straight then wherever ever the PPV is they do live Dynamite in that city.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

I haven't tuned in post Forbidden Door. There's nothing of interest in any of the builds to All Out. And I'm so fucking tired of the eight man tag matches Tiny puts on the show every week. You know Omega has a limited shelf life so why is he a part of this multi-man slop, Tony? The 2300 venue is a dirty shithole that makes the show look low rent and reminds me of 2017 era Impact zone. Tony as a booker has no visions, no ideas and is rehashing the same 5 plot points over and over and over again. Trannies will call it cerebral and "the thinking man's wrestling show". But normal people will just not tune in. The 0.04 for Collision was disastrous but this 472k for Dynamite is arguably even worse.

Tony has just been booking like a Punk ass bitch its clear as day the Don Callis family is an overbloated stable, The Young Bucks keep pulling a TNA Kevin Nash and being the most dimeless tag team anyway, MJewF getting kicked out of the Hurt Syndicate,and Hangtroon being their World Champion, overall theres nothing interesting going on in AEW and it hasn't been the case in awhile, and a lot of younger wrestling fans always loudly complain about WWE in between Summerslam and the new year starting but thats how it always been, at least its been slightly more interesting this year with Cena's retirement and theres decent storylines on TV

Yes, WWE ratings are slumping as well, but they still sell out almost every show even with absurd ticket prices.

I think RAW is doing better then SmackDown at the moment, imo its been the more consistent of the two this entire year, interest always picks up around January, after Cena retires I think you start the new year with something huge like Seth vs Roman at the Royal Rumble, anyone who has been following WWE at least somewhat for the past 2 years know that singles match has been building up since like after WM40

 

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Tony has just been booking like a Punk ass bitch its clear as day the Don Callis family is an overbloated stable, The Young Bucks keep pulling a TNA Kevin Nash and being the most dimeless tag team anyway, MJewF getting kicked out of the Hurt Syndicate,and Hangtroon being their World Champion, overall theres nothing interesting going on in AEW and it hasn't been the case in awhile, and a lot of younger wrestling fans always loudly complain about WWE in between Summerslam and the new year starting but thats how it always been, at least its been slightly more interesting this year with Cena's retirement and theres decent storylines on TV

I think RAW is doing better then SmackDown at the moment, imo its been the more consistent of the two this entire year, interest always picks up around January, after Cena retires I think you start the new year with something huge like Seth vs Roman at the Royal Rumble, anyone who has been following WWE at least somewhat for the past 2 years know that singles match has been building up since like after WM40

AEW biggest problem was just because they had financial backing and TV they immediately considered themselves competition to WWE.

Their mission statement was Anti-Vince and that worked for a while. But then Vince left and ever since then they haven't been able to find their identity. WWE post Vince has their identity and the people who run it know what they're doing, and will do anything to make sure their product is profitable.

Tony thinks he knows what he's doing but he doesn't. Letting Cody leave and firing CM Punk shows that. Cornette has said multiple times when he talked to Tony prior to AEW starting as soon as he heard who TK was going to be involved he knew it was gonna be a shit show and he was 100% correct.

I feel bad for TK because by all accounts he's a nice guy and he loves wrestling. But he's also surrounded himself with a bunch of yes men who tell him everything he does is great. I wonder what will happen once those checks stop..

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

I feel bad for TK because by all accounts he's a nice guy and he loves wrestling. But he's also surrounded himself with a bunch of yes men who tell him everything he does is great. I wonder what will happen once those checks stop..

He's the other spectrum of Vinnie Mac - he has his "yes men" too but he plays too nice to his peers and thinks that he has overflowing money forever. I think Tony tries way too hard to be "anti-Vince" but I can see he just doesn't have a backbone.

Seeing how AEW is now struggling to fill even 5k seats is just jaw-dropping. Can't believe that 6 years ago, AEW was the hottest thing in wrestling because WWE was so shitty at that time the former debuted.

 

[Kermit the Frog]

We are officially in the No Half Milly Era of Dynamite.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

I feel bad for TK because by all accounts he's a nice guy and he loves wrestling. But he's also surrounded himself with a bunch of yes men who tell him everything he does is great. I wonder what will happen once those checks stop..

That's why I can't shit on Tony too much. He obviously loves wrestling, is providing for a ton of people with his inheritance, and even though he's doing a crappy job, it's still good to have a company putting anlittle pressure on the WWE so they just don't go cruise control like the PG Era. Better to have a Tony than a Ted Turner.

 

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He's the other spectrum of Vinnie Mac

But Vince was actually successful in the Wrestling business. He just went full retard when there was no competition.

That's why I can't shit on Tony too much

I want AEW to succeed but they need to put out a watchable product. In a world that craves content its retarded TK can't produce something that people want to watch.

I was a teen during the MNWs and it was amazing having to have two company's producing a good show. I hold out hope it can still happen but there needs to be drastic changes.

 

[Non Incestual CK3 Player]

I think you start the new year with something huge like Seth vs Roman at the Royal Rumble, anyone who has been following WWE at least somewhat for the past 2 years know that singles match has been building up since like after WM40

I'd argue it's been building since Royal Rumble 2022 which was the last time they went 1v1. It ended in a DQ when Roman didn't let go of the guillotine while Seth held the rope. It's a good chance Seth would've dethroned Roman at some point had Cody not shown up.

I was a teen during the MNWs and it was amazing having to have two company's producing a good show. I hold out hope it can still happen but there needs to be drastic changes.

That was lightning in a bottle. And even then, during Nitro's run there was only around a 2 year period where both shows were good.

 

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That was lightning in a bottle. And even then, during Nitro's run there was only around a 2 year period where both shows were good.

AEW had the same resources as WCW. We could've easily has two Wrestling promotions both on TV. The problem is TK books for the sickos not the mainstream.

*Edit Two competitive wrestling promotions

 

[Pentex]

472k for Dynamite last night. Lowest ever viewers in its regular timeslot.

Maybe doing a residency in ECWs old bingo-hall venue for the past couple of weeks was a bad idea because it makes your national TV show look ghetto as fuck.

Kenny let Riho out of her dog cage to 'restore the feeling.'

Though it would be hilarious if she cut a promo on Hangma'am Page that she came back because he can't do his job.

 

[GloryHole Stalker]

This was maybe 5-6 years ago, whenever the big leak for women wrestlers came out after Paige's. Victoria had a short video where she gets fucked in the ass then ends with her sucking it. I haven't watched it since it first leaked, maybe there was an edit and I got worked, but I remember that being a thing everyone talked about on /pw afterwards.

Nah, I just checked that shit out. No edits. She took that hammer straight from her shitter to her yapper. Bet her parents are proud, lol.

 

[Well Intentioned]

if you can do one big show a month and maybe actually make a profit why wouldn't you? If their ratings continue to go downhill who would even offer them another deal?

I would assume it's because Tony wants to 'compete' against WWE.

E: On the topic of AEW, what I liked about AEW is that it had a bit of 'ex WWE guys' coming in, but on top of that, they were showcasing guys from around the indies (the Luigi pizza maker guy and Warhorse(?) were the two I remember off the top of my head) and were somewhat positioned as a different beast to WWE. There were some attempts at creating new/different guys and potentially doing some interesting stuff with Japanese wrestling.

But it's become so fucking stagnant and just feels like TNA 2.0. I don't care about Hangman Page, MJF, Mercedes, Toni Storm or all the ex-WWE guys who have been in the same spots for what feels like 5 years. It's a similar problem that WWE is having with all Samoans all the time, but you've at least had some moments. Everything in AEW is just a boring treadmill.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

30 years since the first Nitro on TNT

 

[Never Scored]

Better to have a Tony than a Ted Turner.

Pre Russo Nitro was better than anything AEW has ever done. It's like Golden Era WWF, late 80s/early 90s NWA/WCW Saturday Night and the Attitude Era smushed together.

 

[RasterTatth]

Here's what your missing, its just not AEW ratings that are going down it's also their attendance. Besides PPVs they have been struggling to fill 3-5k seat arenas. A lot of AEW fans admit they only watch the PPVs because the weekly shows are so horrible. The post PPV ratings show that.

I understand Tony has the money but why continue to hemorrhage it, if you can do one big show a month and maybe actually make a profit why wouldn't you? If their ratings continue to go downhill who would even offer them another deal?

Yes, WWE ratings are slumping as well, but they still sell out almost every show even with absurd ticket prices.

This isn't a boomer ass take, this is going looking into the future and wondering could AEW do just as good if they only did PPVs? Why does a wrestling company need weekly TV to be successful?

Maybe they just run Dailys place 3 weeks straight then wherever ever the PPV is they do live Dynamite in that city.

Like I said my point wasn’t about AEW or to defend AEW it was purely needing to point out that lower numbers can become good over time in ratings when a medium is dying hence me using other examples not in wrestling. Like a rating for NCIS today that’s considered good might look like a Nielsen malfunction ten years ago. Regardless of AEWs future what they do or don’t do and regardless of Dave being so unbelievably retarded often to answer the one and only line of your statement I was focused on, yes, lower numbers can become good in TV RATINGS. Look at a few weeks ago when AEW was number one in the advertising demo, it was like a 0.19 and somehow that was number one. Five years ago if 0.19 was number one people would think some providers had an outage or national blackouts happened. My argument is not an AEW argument so I don’t give a shit about their attendance or what their distribution model should be going forward or if they’re in a good or bad spot, just that your idea that Dave thinking numbers that were bad 2 years ago are good now is a slight against Dave is actually incorrect and one of the only things you shouldn’t go after Dave for. Now his coverage of WWE ratings and him being confused as all hell by anything Netflix ever says, that should be clowned, but for TV, he’s still got a solid understanding.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

That's why I can't shit on Tony too much. He obviously loves wrestling, is providing for a ton of people with his inheritance, and even though he's doing a crappy job, it's still good to have a company putting anlittle pressure on the WWE so they just don't go cruise control like the PG Era. Better to have a Tony than a Ted Turner.

A bad solution is often worse than no solution. AEW has done nothing to help the state of wrestling. Go watch some TNA X division from around 2005 and see what they were doing. Compare it to what we're seeing in modern wrestling. They all want to be cruiser weights but none of them have the timing or creativity like the cruiser weights did. AEW never tried to offer an alternative, it didn't try a different style of wrestling or story telling. It took the indie guys and gave them another sucker to take money from.

WCW at it's peak was WWF's second show. The top guys were all ex WWF people Vince thought were too old for his show and they kept working the same at WCW as they were WWF. They were technically rivals but you can't tell the two companies apart, staff jumped between them and so did wrestlers. Painting AEW as anything like WCW is weird because it has none of WWE's talent and most of it's bad mid card acts seeing an easier company to exploit. Big Show? Sting? Edge? Why even bother watching grandpa Edge wrestle Grandpa Christian when both were just the guys taking bumps from the Hardies until all the talent retired from the industry. Edge was bad in 2005. He's even worse now. The women of 20 years ago were better in the ring and able to tell better stories than most of AEWs roster and they were just eye candy pretending to munch rug

 

[RasterTatth]

Left a WWE career where WWE was obviously going to promote her as a top ring announcer of all time and basically let her be a supporting character on the show for 8k views monthly.



Not sure what Matt thought he was accomplishing with this statement but good job I guess.

 

[Seafarer]

Teaser for new Street Fighter movie:


Cody Rhodes as Guile, Roman Reigns as Akuma, and Hirooki Goto as E Honda.

 

[RasterTatth]

Donald J Trump is writing the forward for Tyrus’s book.



John Cena’s final match has been moved to an arena 1 mile away from the White House when originally it was supposed to be in his home state of Massachusetts





Here’s his updated retirement schedule

 

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Left a WWE career where WWE was obviously going to promote her as a top ring announcer of all time and basically let her be a supporting character on the show for 8k views monthly.

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Not sure what Matt thought he was accomplishing with this statement but good job I guess.

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I liked Samantha, it's crazy she can be that talented but a complete fucking retard at the same time.

Riddle is just a complete fucking retard.