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Kermit the Frog said:
Vince probably does have some illegitimate children.
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Moar Krabs said:
I'm not sure if this was ever talked about in this thread but I'm thinking Vince knocked up some broad in the 80s and this is his illegitimate child lmfao

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And do you think Vince would actually do something about that and not just tell the woman and kid to get bent when he lost his entire life’s work over not paying a few million he previously agreed to pay, and lost WWF because he refused to honor that contract and stopped paying Stu Hart basically as soon as he got the territory from him and probably a few I’m forgetting. You think this is the one he’s sticking to? I’m with you on something being up with the guy but I just don’t know that I believe he’s the one case Vince has stuck to.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Since Hogan's death, I keep wondering about what would've happened had Vince not signed Hogan.

My guess: The territory dies, Hogan goes to Vince or JCP and becomes a midcarder and a footnote in history.
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He could do a run in WCCW since Sting and Warrior were briefly there, maybe that would happen and draw some attention on him. Maybe he would end up being one of those late pushes so instead of his huge push starting in '84 it happens in '94 and he never reaches the peak he did in real life. Also if he still has a AWA connection maybe he wrestles Vader, Curt Hennig and some other big names before the WWF snatches them up.

If this alternate timeline Hogan is cursed to never get over in the USA, he probably focuses on working in Japan trying to milk whatever cash he can from All Japan and New Japan. Maybe he ends up being a more full-time actor with lots of mixed quality movies and tv show work.
 
RasterTatth said:
The reason that it’s not some gigantic blunder is because they’ve almost pretended it doesn’t exist the entire time. What I mean by that is they’ve still gone ahead just selling any and all of the merch and doing the meet and greets anyways and all the fans are still buying it not giving a fuck he’s heel and cheering him. I don’t think they’ve lost a single penny with the turn and I’m not sure they could have made more off it. They’re just doing the same retirement tour but with somewhat funky promos. After a few of his pay-per-view matches they’ve shown him soaking in the cheers and smiling and almost crying so fans are even getting to do that part regardless. It’s kinda odd to watch but I don’t think it’s costing money or losing anything. I don’t know.
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You're right in that it's not costing the WWE money, I meant blunder in the sense of the overall story. Rock and Travis Scott didn't work out so the story really didn't make sense, we got left with more questions than answers and the writing team couldn't creatively keep Cena a bad guy without justifying it. Cena's heel run should've been special, but instead it was overall underwhelming.
 
RasterTatth said:
And do you think Vince would actually do something about that and not just tell the woman and kid to get bent when he lost his entire life’s work over not paying a few million he previously agreed to pay, and lost WWF because he refused to honor that contract and stopped paying Stu Hart basically as soon as he got the territory from him and probably a few I’m forgetting. You think this is the one he’s sticking to? I’m with you on something being up with the guy but I just don’t know that I believe he’s the one case Vince has stuck to.
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lol I was only half serious
 
If you told me 15 years ago I'd be excited for a John Cena vs Cody Rhodes main event at Summerslam because I don't know what's going to happen, I'd have thought you were mad. But I'm locked in. So here I am.
 
Breadbassket said:
Perhaps you have a point, the WWF New Generation writing was in general just not very good. Nash did prove himself as quite capable later on during the NWO debut in WCW. He looked like a million bucks then.

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Well Intentioned said:
I liked Nash as 'Big Daddy Cool' Diesel when I was a kid -- his moment in the Rumble where he was just tossing guys out willy nilly was great. But looking back he was pretty shit in everything besides 'aura' or 'presence.'

His best moments was when he was doing smarky/insider shit that'd have gotten him dragged by fans if he was one of the 'vanilla midgets' making those remarks.

And to be honest, no one does well with the bland generic babyface that Vince has a hard on for -- Bret, Diesel, Cena, Roman -- so I can't slag a guy for being fucking boring in that position, although I'd argue Bret and Nash were both not particularly great promos on the average. Just look at the adjective.

That said, he was 'the guy' during the worst period of business. What a pittance.
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Yeah, Nash admits he was still green as fuck. Blame Vince, he was spooked by the steroid trial, and because Nash was so naturally big, he just threw the belt on him. Hearing the Luger story where he overheard Vince and his agents fawning over Nash is one of the gayest stories ever. A creepy level of faggotry.

Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Since Hogan's death, I keep wondering about what would've happened had Vince not signed Hogan.

My guess: Hogan stays in AWA, but Verne keeps honeydicking the AWA title and fans continue to leave. In a late, desperate attempt, Verne finally puts the belt on Hogan but way after anyone gives a fuck. The territory dies, Hogan goes to Vince or JCP and becomes a midcarder and a footnote in history. Meanwhile, Vince goes with Dusty Rhodes (as was his backup if Hogan didn't work). Dusty had charisma but wasn't the guy Hogan was. He wasn't over the top in his personality. Vince's national expansion still happens but goes a lot slower. JCP still overspends and goes under and gets bought by Turner.
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Which Vince? Sr. or Jr.?

You go around using Hollywood Hulk Hogan and you're out here not knowing that Hogan went to the WWF before he was ever in the AWA? Hogan challenged Backlund for the heavyweight title. He slammed Andre in Shea Stadium in August of 1980. Vince Sr. fired him for taking the role in Rocky 3 as Thunderlips and he went to work for Vern then.

He slings axebombers in to babyfaces necks and ends up the NWA champion besting Flair and carrying the title with good ol' southern wrasslin' that he grew up on in the great state of Florida. Fuck, Hogan could re-energize the Florida territory if someone tried to pick up the book.

Your timeline is fucked and ignores the rise of Hogan as a top heel in the world. Would we have gotten Hulkamania? Maybe not, but we definitely could have seen Hogan as the guy who usurped Flair in the NWA. His legacy would be looked at better because he did the same old match every night just like Flair did, but because he did it in the NWA instead of the WWF, that makes it okay.
 
Steinercard said:
If you told me 15 years ago I'd be excited for a John Cena vs Cody Rhodes main event at Summerslam because I don't know what's going to happen, I'd have thought you were mad. But I'm locked in. So here I am.
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Definitely feels like one of the less predictable ppvs they are doing this year, Cody I feel is somewhat likely to walk away with the gold, the bigger question for me is as a Babyface or a heel in terms of the rest of the card I feel it’s mostly similar, my brother in law asked me about the Roman and Jey vs Breakker and Reed match and that’s the match I’m most excited for in terms of night 1 hoping Breakker looks good even if the Heyman Cabal loses
 
Steinercard said:
If you told me 15 years ago I'd be excited for a John Cena vs Cody Rhodes main event at Summerslam because I don't know what's going to happen, I'd have thought you were mad. But I'm locked in. So here I am.
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For me I'm excited about both main events for both nights because they seem so unpredictable and anything can happen. Summerslam this year might make up for the dumpster fire that was Mania 41. Well actually their was a few special moments from Mania 41 like Paul turning on both Roman and Punk and the Woman's triple threat and Dom winning the IC title
 
Moar Krabs said:
dumpster fire that was Mania 41
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IMO Night 1 mogged the shit outta night 2 in terms of mania 41, I don’t think it was entirely bad but still I have a feeling it’s going to to be 10x better than this years Mania, HHH usually has a twist up his sleeve when it comes to Summerslam, if you consider it Mania is both the start and end point if you compare it to real sport seasons and Summerslam is basically the half way point where the best twists happen
 
Caddo Cobgang said:
HHH usually has a twist up his sleeve when it comes to Summerslam, if you consider it Mania is both the start and end point if you compare it to real sport seasons and Summerslam is basically the half way point where the best twists happen
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I think HHH said that Mania doesn't have to be the culmination of storylines and that Mania could be when new storylines begin
 
CapricornusRex said:
Which Vince? Sr. or Jr.?

You go around using Hollywood Hulk Hogan and you're out here not knowing that Hogan went to the WWF before he was ever in the AWA? Hogan challenged Backlund for the heavyweight title. He slammed Andre in Shea Stadium in August of 1980. Vince Sr. fired him for taking the role in Rocky 3 as Thunderlips and he went to work for Vern then.

He slings axebombers in to babyfaces necks and ends up the NWA champion besting Flair and carrying the title with good ol' southern wrasslin' that he grew up on in the great state of Florida. Fuck, Hogan could re-energize the Florida territory if someone tried to pick up the book.

Your timeline is fucked and ignores the rise of Hogan as a top heel in the world. Would we have gotten Hulkamania? Maybe not, but we definitely could have seen Hogan as the guy who usurped Flair in the NWA. His legacy would be looked at better because he did the same old match every night just like Flair did, but because he did it in the NWA instead of the WWF, that makes it okay.
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I am well aware of Hogan's first run in WWWF, brother, I was referring to Vince Jr. Vince Sr. it wouldn't have mattered since he went to the AWA after Vince Sr. fired him
 
I’ve been seeing people say that Rollins should cash in the MITB briefcase on Punk if Punk wins the World Heavyweight Championship. Didn’t we just see this last year? Is this the only way to build HEAT in blood feuds? Move on from this. Even the crowd reactions to their interactions have dwindled. No one wants this anymore. I also don't even see Punk winning cause it doesn't make sense for him to win clean against someone like Gunthur granted Jey beat him at Mania but maybe that was just to shut up Rikishi 😂
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Twitter still thinking (or hoping) Seth's injury is a work, I doubt it as the injury looked pretty legit, I don't overly care for Seth that much compared to the others in the main event scene but he's definitely good in-ring, I could see Seth winning one of belts catapulting Breakker in a way similar to HHH vs Batista in 2005
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