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The Nothingness said:
We may be getting that Cody/Cena double turn at SummerSlam. The contract signing last night had Cena tried to get the match postponed because he's filming a movie only for Cody to lay him out and have Cena "write" his signature (not sure how that is allowed, but it's wrestling) while announcing it will be a Street Fight. If Cody ends up being the top heel, Fatu could be a future challenger.
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Well since Cena did a 180 with a single promo, this prediction may still happen.

And good to see Drew got back to the States.
 
RasterTatth said:
Cena just turned face and got thunderous cheers the entire time.
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Well I thought they would have saved that for after he lost the belt, never the less still intriguing to see what happens Sunday, maybe Cena is bullshitting maybe a Cody turn, regardless I like both of em so I really can’t be upset at who wins here
The Nothingness said:
And good to see Drew got back to the States.
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Yeah I’ve been enjoying Drew for like the past year I really didn’t give a shit about him as a babyface but that feud with Punk was golden and everything else since then has at least been decent
 
Will Cena's turn go down as one of WWE's biggest modern blunders? It's not on Cena, I feel he did the best with what was given to him. The blame is on management. They wanted a "moment", got it and had nothing else planned afterward. The Rock bounced for whatever reason, Travis Scott went back to being a talentless hack that serves as being a living racial caricature of what white supremacist fathers show their daughters to warn them about black men.

The steps were in place for "Hollywood Cena" but no one was truly dedicated to the idea because it was 7 years too late so we got passive aggressive Cena forcing a heel turn in the same way one forces a fart - the end result was poop.
 
I see 1 of 4 scenarios playing out on Sunday:

The likely Option:
Cody and Cena have an honest match, Cena officially gives Cody the torch as the new whitemeat Babyface, Cody starts his second title run and Cena wrestles non-title matches for the rest of the year until he retires

The slightly less likely Option:
Double Turn happens, Cody hits Cena with the belt and officially turns heel, Codelander Kino for the next few months, Cena is horrified at what he's created but realizes he can mostly do nothing about it at this point and continues to wrestle non-title matches, maybe mentors a babyface they wanna push against the now Heel Cody

Probably not gonna happen option:
Cena is bullshitting in order for Cody to hesitate again and Cena kicks him in the balls, the real face turn happens in December, maybe even his last match

The nuclear option:
Cody and Cena have a honest match but Seth cashes-in during the match, pulling of a repeat of the WM31 heist, I still think Seths injury is real but anything can happen, Seth is Champion and Cody begins the chase, Cena pumps him up to le save wrestling from the Heyman Cabal before his retirement happens

Jeff Dunham said:
It's not on Cena, I feel he did the best with what was given to him.
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I agree with this, if Dwyane bothered to show up for at least 1 more month it could have worked a lot better, but im still interested in what happens Sunday, regardless of who goes over
 
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CapricornusRex said:
Man, I hate when you people talk about Nash like he was the reason he flopped as champ. They had him on TV wearing a fucking Santa hat singing Merry Christmas. He was a good heel, and they tried to turn him in to this shitty, white meat babyface nobody wanted at the time. They wanted big daddy cool, they didn't want Nash singing Merry fucking Christmas.
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Perhaps you have a point, the WWF New Generation writing was in general just not very good. Nash did prove himself as quite capable later on during the NWO debut in WCW. He looked like a million bucks then.

 
I liked Nash as 'Big Daddy Cool' Diesel when I was a kid -- his moment in the Rumble where he was just tossing guys out willy nilly was great. But looking back he was pretty shit in everything besides 'aura' or 'presence.'

His best moments was when he was doing smarky/insider shit that'd have gotten him dragged by fans if he was one of the 'vanilla midgets' making those remarks.

And to be honest, no one does well with the bland generic babyface that Vince has a hard on for -- Bret, Diesel, Cena, Roman -- so I can't slag a guy for being fucking boring in that position, although I'd argue Bret and Nash were both not particularly great promos on the average. Just look at the adjective.

That said, he was 'the guy' during the worst period of business. What a pittance.
 
Jeff Dunham said:
Will Cena's turn go down as one of WWE's biggest modern blunders? It's not on Cena, I feel he did the best with what was given to him. The blame is on management. They wanted a "moment", got it and had nothing else planned afterward. The Rock bounced for whatever reason, Travis Scott went back to being a talentless hack that serves as being a living racial caricature of what white supremacist fathers show their daughters to warn them about black men.

The steps were in place for "Hollywood Cena" but no one was truly dedicated to the idea because it was 7 years too late so we got passive aggressive Cena forcing a heel turn in the same way one forces a fart - the end result was poop.
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I'd say no, a fumble maybe but not a monumental mistake. Cena's heel mic work has made it worth it imo. And I honestly thought his bitter whiny heel character was compelling, even if we didn't get what they were leading us to believe we were getting. And the moment itself was amazing, there's no denying that.

I will agree Travis Scott shouldn't have ever showed up. He added very little in the grand scheme of things. The reason Rock bounced is because he was never meant to stick around in the first place. Nick Kahn just wanted him at EC to sell tickets because he thought the US/Canada climate at the time would hurt ticket sales. (Source: WWE Unreal so I'm not 100%)

Rock was already scheduled to film Moana 2 during Wrestlemania 41. He was never gonna show up despite what he said.
 
Non Incestual CK3 Player said:
Rock was already scheduled to film Moana 2 during Wrestlemania 41. He was never gonna show up despite what he said.
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Don't get me wrong I'm glad that Cody won the belt at Mania 40 but I feel like that was our only chance to see Rock vs Roman and I think they would have been able to deliver a 5 star match. Now it's gonna go down as wrestling's biggest what if's
Caddo Cobgang said:
I agree with this, if Dwyane bothered to show up for at least 1 more month it could have worked a lot better, but im still interested in what happens Sunday, regardless of who goes over
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Only thing missing from the heel turn was Cena explaining why he sided with The Rock and how he now regrets it
 
Jeff Dunham said:
Will Cena's turn go down as one of WWE's biggest modern blunders? It's not on Cena, I feel he did the best with what was given to him. The blame is on management. They wanted a "moment", got it and had nothing else planned afterward. The Rock bounced for whatever reason, Travis Scott went back to being a talentless hack that serves as being a living racial caricature of what white supremacist fathers show their daughters to warn them about black men.

The steps were in place for "Hollywood Cena" but no one was truly dedicated to the idea because it was 7 years too late so we got passive aggressive Cena forcing a heel turn in the same way one forces a fart - the end result was poop.
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I think had Rock stuck with the heel turn and didn't disappear, it would have made more sense to have him help out his Hollywood buddy try to "ruin" wrestling. But because Rock didn't show up again, he should have just not bothered to begin with and let Cena carry the turn on his own. It would have been more shocking for Cena to kick Cody in the nuts and beat him down without there being any sort of buildup, just the two of them alone in the ring. The whole thing got off to an awkward start thanks to the inclusion of Travis Scott and then having him be the one to help Cena win the title legitimately made it one of the worst WrestleMania main events of all time. It took a while for Cena to shake that off and get his heel run going in its own right. Cena's promos have been very good, that's done a lot to repair the damage, so I think his heel run has been fine overall. Not as good as it could be, though I put that up to Cena not being able to go in the ring anymore and his matches devolving into the same pattern of "slow Cena heat, babyface comeback, ref bump, shenanigans, pin"
 
Jeff Dunham said:
Will Cena's turn go down as one of WWE's biggest modern blunders? It's not on Cena, I feel he did the best with what was given to him. The blame is on management. They wanted a "moment", got it and had nothing else planned afterward. The Rock bounced for whatever reason, Travis Scott went back to being a talentless hack that serves as being a living racial caricature of what white supremacist fathers show their daughters to warn them about black men.

The steps were in place for "Hollywood Cena" but no one was truly dedicated to the idea because it was 7 years too late so we got passive aggressive Cena forcing a heel turn in the same way one forces a fart - the end result was poop.
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The reason that it’s not some gigantic blunder is because they’ve almost pretended it doesn’t exist the entire time. What I mean by that is they’ve still gone ahead just selling any and all of the merch and doing the meet and greets anyways and all the fans are still buying it not giving a fuck he’s heel and cheering him. I don’t think they’ve lost a single penny with the turn and I’m not sure they could have made more off it. They’re just doing the same retirement tour but with somewhat funky promos. After a few of his pay-per-view matches they’ve shown him soaking in the cheers and smiling and almost crying so fans are even getting to do that part regardless. It’s kinda odd to watch but I don’t think it’s costing money or losing anything. I don’t know.
 
Moar Krabs said:
Don't get me wrong I'm glad that Cody won the belt at Mania 40 but I feel like that was our only chance to see Rock vs Roman and I think they would have been able to deliver a 5 star match. Now it's gonna go down as wrestling's biggest what if's
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If Rock REALLY wanted it to happen, he could've done it at almost any Mania in the last 10 years before that. Granted it would've sucked if it was big dog Roman but he still had Manias 37-39 to fight the Tribal Chief.

I'm convinced he only came back the way he did because WWE was finally gaining some ground with casuals starting in mid 2022.
 
Non Incestual CK3 Player said:
I'd say no, a fumble maybe but not a monumental mistake. Cena's heel mic work has made it worth it imo.
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reasonable take, I think it was just ok at best, obviously Rock fucking off after EC fucked with the Mania build, and Travis Scott shouldn't have fucking been there in the first place, and the match at WM41 was just ok despite the god-awful finish bringing it down, and I think the Punk match was very enjoyable (didnt watch the Orton match but people have said it was ok), I am starting to think Cena turning face tonight was 100% his call, has Taker is correct in that he said on his podcast he's definitely earned the right to book this retirement tour how he wants, maybe he saw it was getting stale after a few months, or maybe he was concerned about his public image now that he's an actor, but knowing Cena he probably just wanted to go into what's likely his last title defense as a World Champion as a Babyface, can't psychoanalyze the guy as I don't know the man personally but that's what I got a sense of listening to the promo, as someone who grew up with Cena as the face of the company I am surprised they did this at the SmackDown right before Summerslam, but I welcome it
Moar Krabs said:
Only thing missing from the heel turn was Cena explaining why he sided with The Rock and how he now regrets it
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this too, hopefully Dwyane has learned to just stay away, at best TKO is like any other business venture that he has stock in, he doesn't need to cause commotion by coming back and almost fucking with yet another Mania build
Non Incestual CK3 Player said:
Manias 37-39 to fight the Tribal Chief.
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absolutely this, some of the casuals probably would have enjoyed Rock vs Roman then, but even for them I think Roman's run was getting stale by early 2024, Casuals,Hardcores,and Smarks all wanted it to end, Casuals because it was getting stale, Hardcores for the same reason plus a love of Cody,and Smarks hated him regardless, and Rock was obviously not going to stick around had he gone through with it so it was obvious to literally everyone that if WWE doubled down, Roman was retaining, and that's why they shit on it, speaking of Roman, I wonder if they will ever do a Roman vs Cody III, maybe at the Rumble ? if not maybe Guille and Akuma have a fight scene in the new Street Fighter lmao
 
There's nothing preventing Rock vs Roman at next year's Mania. Rock can hold off on making another shitty movie to prepare for a match he's wanted for a long time. I know Seth vs Roman is still a big singles match they want to do and it is WrestleMania worthy, but I think the plan for Seth is to have Bron face him for the title. Meanwhile the other title could be between Cody and Punk. The only full-time guys Roman has any kind of feud with are doing other things, so Rock would make sense in that spot.
 
Kermit the Frog said:
There's nothing preventing Rock vs Roman at next year's Mania. Rock can hold off on making another shitty movie to prepare for a match he's wanted for a long time. I know Seth vs Roman is still a big singles match they want to do and it is WrestleMania worthy, but I think the plan for Seth is to have Bron face him for the title. Meanwhile the other title could be between Cody and Punk. The only full-time guys Roman has any kind of feud with are doing other things, so Rock would make sense in that spot.
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It's one of those now or never type of things and I'm pretty sure Mania 42 is Romans last Mania since he said that by 2026-2027 he wants to become even more of a part time wrestler

I'm not sure if this was ever talked about in this thread but I'm thinking Vince knocked up some broad in the 80s and this is his illegitimate child lmfao

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