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That's what I heard in Cornette's clip about his death. Apparently it's from a Vince interview from his biopic. It definitely would've not worked as well. Dusty was great and all but he wasn't the over the top guy like Hogan who could make you excited to be an American and take your vitamins.

I would've loved to have seen Dusty, known paragon of physical fitness and well-being, telling kids to exercise and take their vitamins.
 
I would've loved to have seen Dusty, known paragon of physical fitness and well-being, telling kids to exercise and take their vitamins.
Yeah, and he didn't have the over-the-top patriotism that Hogan did. Dusty's patriotism when feuding with Ivan Koloff was a lot more toned down
 
Could be.
Could not be.
We’ll see.
The only things that are telling me it's a work is that they haven't gone into detail on the injury, and that there's no timeline for recovery. Big injuries tend to get those across pretty quickly.

If it is a work it's a very believable one considering how Seth landed on his leg. But I have my doubts they'd have a worked injury on SNME. Those shows tend to prioritize showcasing the talent over continuing stories.

I think it's a shoot injury, but if it isn't it'll be a pleasant surprise.
 
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If these guys think Hogan is in hell for racism, wait until they hear about what God thinks of homosexuality.

Anyways, the GCW events for Summer Slam weekend look booty. Maybe two matches I kind of want to see, the rest of the card is all literally whos.
 
I was a little kid back then, Warrior was very popular, he was absolutely the right guy to try and give a shot to besides Hogan. Hindsight is 20/20, but there was nobody else to try and go with in 1990 besides Warrior.

They could have pushed Mr. Perfect or Rick Rude, both guys would have given Hogan great matches, would have made him look good going out, and they could have had return matches with Hogan if it didn't work out because they were both naturally good heels and tweeners.

His biggest problem was that he's a great technical wrestler, probably one of the best of all time, but he always had issues with cutting good promos and coming across as a bland good guy. Hart was not a larger then life figure like Hogan, Savage and the Ultimate Warrior were.

it wasn't that he sucked at giving promos, he sucked at giving these pre-shot, bland babyface promos. The minute you put a hot mic in Bret's hands he could talk, especially when he had a person to aim his voice at. Remember when the Hart Foundation was getting booed in the US? He could talk, and he was good at it. I think he's the first person to curse on live RAW as well when he stood in the ring and openly trashed Vince, outed him as the fuckin BOSS when fans thought he was just a commentator, and he did this before Austin did it.

The New Generation era was too goofy for its own good. Cartoonish gimmicks (Mantaur, Warlord, Bob "Spark Plug" Holly for example), the 1993 steroid scandal, bad writing, doing things like giving Diesel/Kevin Nash the WWF championoship and increasingly serious competition from WCW played a part in making that period of the WWF so infamous. Wrestlers with a good work rate supplement a promotion's success, they can only do so much if the whole package is lacking.

Man, I hate when you people talk about Nash like he was the reason he flopped as champ. They had him on TV wearing a fucking Santa hat singing Merry Christmas. He was a good heel, and they tried to turn him in to this shitty, white meat babyface nobody wanted at the time. They wanted big daddy cool, they didn't want Nash singing Merry fucking Christmas.
Should have clarified. You’re right. Warrior was the only option and Vince had the right idea. It wasn’t until after that Vince realized he had a lunatic as his champion and brought in Flair. I think Vince tried to pivot to Flair vs Hogan but he just hated the matches. Then he tried to pivot to Sid but Sid infamously told Vince he wanted to stay heel. So he just went back to Hogan and Savage until Bret. But he didn’t even want to give the full run to Bret and signed Luger which was another failure.

There is this famous story where after Luger basically tears down an entire quartered off sound stage by accident Scott Hall jumps up and goes “Is anybody else fucking watching this guy? Just fucking give it to me!” In my view, the right guy was always Razor Ramon. I’m not sure why Vince just didn’t give it him.

And Vince, being too far behind with the times, ignored the fans WANT for Sid as champ. Let him be a fucking heel champ. It sold like hot cakes with Super Star Billy Graham because a big, inhuman looking heel sells tickets. Sid was intense, he looked like he could beat the shit out of anyone, he had everything Vince needed AND he fucked off every summer to play softball. So Vince could have used the winter and spring to get his next babyface ready to take the strap off Sid so he could go play ball, then bring him back in the winter if the guy sucks and repeat.

Hall was a complete mess of a human, still failing to get help for the justified shooting of a man who tried to kill him. He was not champion material.
There's a recurring thing that's in the African American appreciation particularly when it comes to music where every time some famous white person involved in music dies that you get some ape tweeting about how there wouldn't be country/rock/metal without Ol' Blind Melon Chitlin' plucking away on his porch step with a gitbox like he was one of Fat Albert's friends.

That shits so retarded. I wish people would have responded with, "Well without whitey you wouldn't have had guitars, pianos, reed instruments, because your society had none."
There was a reason why WWF did a lot more international tours when Bret was on top.

Bret absolutely was a draw. Not on the level of guys like Flair or Hogan, but when you're stuck in shit feuds (seriously, how long did that godawful feud with Lawler last?) you can't really say that it is solely Bret's fault.

I don't think he would've been Stone Cold 2.0 or whatever if the booking was perfect, but he was miles ahead of Diesel if we're looking at it from a 'draw' perspective.

Yah, we need the room for your endless autism about literally every little thing that goes on.

He WAS SCSA 1.0. He was the one who outed Vince as the owner live on Raw before Austin was even a thing in the WWF. Hell, was he still in WCW or was he the ringmaster when that happened?
I would of gone with Steiner or Booker or maybe Mike Awesome

Too injured. Too old. Too dangerous.
 
CMLL themselves put out a press release about how much of an impact the AEW partnership has had on their business, but sure, we believe YOU over them.

As for NJPW, since most of the NJPW guys who jumped ship to AEW are on split contracts with NJPW, tell us if it would have been better for NJPW, who are in financial difficulties right now, would have been better off completely losing those talents rather than being able to ring them back for tours and supershows while the talents make the money they deserve AND get global exposure in AEW as well. I am SURE you have it all figured out.

As for Forbidden Door being light on NJPW top-card guys, have you never heard of the G-1 Climax tournament? HINT: almost all the top guys are in it, and FD falls during the tournament tour.

The more you post, the more of an absolute moron you show yourself to be.
Let’s go over what you lied about because you don’t actually follow these other companies you just use them to talk good about AEW

- Forbidden Door is during G1. No it’s not, but you don’t actually follow the other companies you just pretend to like them because you’re an AEW fan. FD is a week after.

- most of the guys who jumped are on split contracts. No they’re not one guy is. Takeshita doesn’t count as he wasn’t NJPW to begin with. I’m going to go over all former and current Bushiroad talent. Kevin Knight. He’s the one on a split contract Jay isn’t. Will isn’t. Okada isn’t. Shibata isn’t. Thekla isn’t. Mina isn’t. We don’t know Syuri’s case presumably she and Ishii and Gabe are just allowed to do AEW but are still contracted their respective companies. Aussie Open are not on split contracts. Lance Archer was never on a split contract nor was Trent. I suppose Rocky counts as split but he’s a special case because he’s running shit in like three companies. If you watch previous forbidden door buildups it’s very obvious the guys Tony likes most are Will Jay Okada Shibata Tana. He got all but one and not on split contracts like you tried to lie about. Basically, you heard about the one recent split contract of Kevin Knight, and for some reason crafted a narrative in your head that that must mean that all of these people are on split contracts they’re not.

I will admit that I probably shouldn’t have included CLL in my original gripe because FD has always been about NJPW x AEW but that doesn’t take away from the fact that CMLL was doing fine pre AEW, did AEW help? Yeah for now, did they NEED(I figure I’ll put something needlessly in caps just to fit in with your shitty style of writing) AEW? No.
 
He WAS SCSA 1.0. He was the one who outed Vince as the owner live on Raw before Austin was even a thing in the WWF. Hell, was he still in WCW or was he the ringmaster when that happened?
I'm talking in a financial sense. Bret was good for business and a lot of contemporary wrestling owes a ton to what he provided for in-ring stuff.

He wasn't gonna be a money making machine like Hogan or Austin were, though.

As for your question, wasn't that around the time he got screwed at the 1997 Rumble and leading into his heel turn? Austin was definitely around at that point.
 
Since Hogan's death, I keep wondering about what would've happened had Vince not signed Hogan.

My guess: Hogan stays in AWA, but Verne keeps honeydicking the AWA title and fans continue to leave. In a late, desperate attempt, Verne finally puts the belt on Hogan but way after anyone gives a fuck. The territory dies, Hogan goes to Vince or JCP and becomes a midcarder and a footnote in history. Meanwhile, Vince goes with Dusty Rhodes (as was his backup if Hogan didn't work). Dusty had charisma but wasn't the guy Hogan was. He wasn't over the top in his personality. Vince's national expansion still happens but goes a lot slower. JCP still overspends and goes under and gets bought by Turner.
Late to the party and everyones said their piece and I'll say mine, part of why Hogan was glad to leave AWA was because Verne wanted a piece of Hogans Japan action, before there was Hulkamania Hogan was Ichiban, he was huge in Japan like on the level of Stan Hansen, Brody, Andre and Superfly. I think he would've stuck around New Japan being a big draw and coming back and as you said doing stints in Mid Atlantic or JCP and we may have gotten a feud with him and Billy Graham at that time who knows and if wrestling didn't pan out he could always try his hand at Hollywood he could've been like Nathan Jones, action movies could always use a giant roided up guy for the hero to fight.
 
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I'm talking in a financial sense. Bret was good for business and a lot of contemporary wrestling owes a ton to what he provided for in-ring stuff.

He wasn't gonna be a money making machine like Hogan or Austin were, though.

As for your question, wasn't that around the time he got screwed at the 1997 Rumble and leading into his heel turn? Austin was definitely around at that point.

It's the Canadian accent. That thing just kills any intimidation. When Vince got punched, he should have told Bret they could use this. The money printer was there but Vince was too arrogant to see it. He thought HE was the good guy in this feud, like a fuckin mark. Luckily he finally realized it after his stupid promo got booed to hell and back.
 
I'm talking in a financial sense. Bret was good for business and a lot of contemporary wrestling owes a ton to what he provided for in-ring stuff.

He wasn't gonna be a money making machine like Hogan or Austin were, though.

As for your question, wasn't that around the time he got screwed at the 1997 Rumble and leading into his heel turn? Austin was definitely around at that point.
I agree with this, if they just stuck with Bret as the guy in 1994 the company wouldn’t have been in dire straits financially for the following 2 years, Backlund still could have won at Survivor Series with Bret winning it back at wrestlemania, would have certainly been better then the horrid shit we got in our timeline with that farce of an I quit match at WrestleMania 11 that was an insult to Both mens in-ring talent and a foot player main eventing against Bam Bam Bigelow, the New Generation could have been so much better, they weren’t going to beat Hoganverse WCW, but they would have withered the initial formation of the nWo far better if Vince wasn’t retarded in the mid 90s
 
According to Bad News Brown, Cody's Dad loved using that word too.
It's Complicated™, ok?

some elements of the IWC might seethe about him like they did Roman but there’s no winning with those people anyway
Sure there is. Triple Nose straps a rocket on Kidd Bandit and keeps it there despite chud outcry.
 
Yes, CMLL is totally distraught over the partnership, considering it has boosted their TV ratings and live gate in Mexico tremendously.

Man, you post some of the most retarded takes in this thread.
He and trent deserve one another. People like them are the reason the IWC will always be shitty.
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What do you know? A degenerate site filled with creeps that a normal society wouldn't associate with. These people should look at a mirror for how ugly they look outside and inside.
It wouldn’t just be the IWC crying about that but wrestling fans in general, he’ll even if he win a midcard belt I’d probably stop watching lmao, at least Goldust wasn’t a twink
Goldust will always be more entertaining than a schizo troon pretending to wrestle.
 
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