General Wrestling Discussion

[RasterTatth]

I see this all the time from the soy inflated hairy yet balding beach balls of the IWC on twitter, YT, and so on. According to them, Bron is boring because his promos are bad and he doesn't do enough acrobatic stuff. Essentially they want him to do more homosexual kayfabe breaking shit like the Young Bucks or whomever it is they lust over nowadays. Smarks are a blight and when we win we're putting Melzter and anyone who likes him in concentration camps where they will be reeducated into liking actual wrestling again as opposed to the weird phantom smark miasma surronding wrestling they actually like.

Nah Bron fucking blows. I’ll voluntarily go to a camp if it means no longer watching him and seeing people gas him up because they have nostalgia for his vastly superior uncle.

 

[CyrusHowler]

You notice it's predominantly white liberals who are bitching about Hogan. Not the black talent/celebrities he worked with for the past 25 to 40 years.

Bingo.

Sami beats Kross, I haven't really been invested in this feud in comparison to everything else in WWE right now, but it will be funny to see Krossfags start seething on twitter

I feel betrayed Caddo…
How could you?

Yeah, it’s gonna suck because the tributes will be fucking insufferable.
Dudes got the most annoying fans.

Bingo.

and the most annoying haters.

Nah people who hate Bret are justified. Fuck that Canadian.

Not gonna go after the Harts for how they go about grieving.

Bret can quit whining. Martha I agree tho.

gotta love the Jellyster, curious on how he will do teaming with Orton

Yeah Jellyroll doesn’t bother me like he does other people. I love the angle with Logan Paul where he keeps calling Jelly an “Outsider” while ignoring that technically he is too.

Nah Bron fucking blows. I’ll voluntarily go to a camp if it means no longer watching him and seeing people gas him up because they have nostalgia for his vastly superior uncle.

Nigga you stupid.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Sauce?

I can't really find anything of the zero dollar settlement as you have to sign and do a subscription for some of the legal documents.

 

[trent]

Nah Bron fucking blows. I’ll voluntarily go to a camp if it means no longer watching him and seeing people gas him up because they have nostalgia for his vastly superior uncle.

I'll admit that most of my current day WWE knowledge comes from short clips from Reddit but i don't get the hype around this guy at all.

Generic underpants PC graduate who has been trained to the point where he isn't tripping over his own feet but he'll never in his entire career have a single match that anyone will remember or give a shit about. WWE excel in making 15 to 20 of these guys/girls every couple of years and the bulk of them will end up being wished the best of luck in their future endeavors at some point in the next 5 years.

I think even they realize at this stage that NXT is mostly creating dimeless shitters so they are doing stuff like buying AAA, trying to buy NOAH and "helping out" TNA.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

I feel betrayed Caddo…
How could you?

I don’t mind Kross himself, some of his fanbase on Twitter are annoying, the match itself could still go either way, with this Summerslam I feel some matches are less predictable then others

 

[CyrusHowler]

I don’t mind Kross himself

Kross is dimes. He should be in the place on the card where Zayn and Priest are.

 

[Non Incestual CK3 Player]

Honestly I think Kross should be a manager or something. I can't remember a single match he's had that hooked me. He's way better on the mic. I think he should be an old school heel manager like Bobby Heenan or something where he manages like 10 heels, takes bumps occasionally but doesn't really wrestle.

Though one promo I remember that was shit was after he and AOP lost to Bobby and the Profits. He said something like "You had to let Montez get the pin! How does that make you feel?" Like bro he won the match why would he care?

 

[Rudolf's Friend]

Sauce?

From what I remember she made a promise to the rest of the Harts that they were going to get some of the settlement money, but after that she gave Stu and Helen a pittance compared to what they were promised and gave Bret and the rest of the family nothing, and then she barred Bret from seeing his brother's kids for some reason. Pretty much she's an opportunist who just wants money.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I'll admit that most of my current day WWE knowledge comes from short clips from Reddit but i don't get the hype around this guy at all.

Generic underpants PC graduate who has been trained to the point where he isn't tripping over his own feet but he'll never in his entire career have a single match that anyone will remember or give a shit about. WWE excel in making 15 to 20 of these guys/girls every couple of years and the bulk of them will end up being wished the best of luck in their future endeavors at some point in the next 5 years.

I think even they realize at this stage that NXT is mostly creating dimeless shitters so they are doing stuff like buying AAA, trying to buy NOAH and "helping out" TNA.

Honestly, from what I’ve learned about Bron Breakker, there was one thing I think people wanted and WWE delivered.

 

[Well Intentioned]

Martha seems like a cunt who betrayed Owen's parents and settled with the company who did the equipment for zero dollars and the judge called her out how incredibly unethical and borderline illegal it was.

I think you're conflating a couple of things.

Ellie Hart (married to Jim Neidhart, mother of Natty) 'betrayed' her (and Owen's) parents by faxing legal documents to WWE in an attempt to curry favor with them. This was pretty fucking unethical, although I'm not sure of the legalities.

To the best of my knowledge (it has been 25ish years at this point), Martha didn't sue the manufacturer of the release harness, but WWE did, in an attempt to mitigate the legal quagmire they ended up in with Owen's death. The settlement between WWE and the Harts was disputed by the manufacturer because they believed it would open them up to greater liability in the ongoing case between them and WWE. Kinda similar to how a decision in a criminal trial makes it easier for litigation in a civil case with the same parties/incident.

Martha remained on good terms with Stu, Helen, and Bret, although the rest of the Harts basically became persona non grata to her because they were busy tripping over themselves to try and get in good with WWE.

This is all going off of memory and I may be wrong in a few details, but the bit with Ellie sending documents and Martha remaining on good terms with Bret/Stu/Helen are ones I know for sure.

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

Honestly, from what I’ve learned about Bron Breakker, there was one thing I think people wanted and WWE delivered.

Bron Breakker is a good, he just desperately needs what is known in the business as "a gimmick." You can be a very talented athlete, but if you have the persona of a high school wrestler then it sucks. Putting him with interviewers who are blatantly several inches taller doesn't help matters.

I think Kurt Angle was in Bron's situation briefly, he started out as a babyface whose character was "I'm a good wrestler" until he leaned into this oblivious self-absorbed heel role. The line for kayfabe was blurred well, being an Olympic gold medalist is obviously something he deserves to brag about so the audience couldn't tell if he was truly a dickhead. Then even if he was, he put on such excellent shows they want to see him fight anyway. Bron needs a dynamic like this.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

I think you're conflating a couple of things.

Ellie Hart (married to Jim Neidhart, mother of Natty) 'betrayed' her (and Owen's) parents by faxing legal documents to WWE in an attempt to curry favor with them. This was pretty fucking unethical, although I'm not sure of the legalities.

To the best of my knowledge (it has been 25ish years at this point), Martha didn't sue the manufacturer of the release harness, but WWE did, in an attempt to mitigate the legal quagmire they ended up in with Owen's death. The settlement between WWE and the Harts was disputed by the manufacturer because they believed it would open them up to greater liability in the ongoing case between them and WWE. Kinda similar to how a decision in a criminal trial makes it easier for litigation in a civil case with the same parties/incident.

Martha remained on good terms with Stu, Helen, and Bret, although the rest of the Harts basically became persona non grata to her because they were busy tripping over themselves to try and get in good with WWE.

This is all going off of memory and I may be wrong in a few details, but the bit with Ellie sending documents and Martha remaining on good terms with Bret/Stu/Helen are ones I know for sure.

Thanks for the info. I do believe the unethical part was from ellie.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

From what I remember she made a promise to the rest of the Harts that they were going to get some of the settlement money, but after that she gave Stu and Helen a pittance compared to what they were promised and gave Bret and the rest of the family nothing, and then she barred Bret from seeing his brother's kids for some reason. Pretty much she's an opportunist who just wants money.

it says a lot about her, if im not mistaken she's basically the reason they can't induct Owen into the HoF (but AEW having a tournament in his namesake is apparently ok)

Honestly, from what I’ve learned about Bron Breakker, there was one thing I think people wanted and WWE delivered.

with a lot of the top talent starting to age,im glad they are starting to have guys like Breakker and Fatu step up to the plate, I think NXT under Shawn has been pretty good, I think most of them are probably going to end up being midcarders but there's definitely a few I can definitely see being in the world title scene, Trick comes to mind here given his charisma and being a a tall black guy, in terms of any entertainment medium Wrestling would definitely be the least thing id be doomer about, in a world where Disney and Hollywood in general churn out the biggest slop imaginable,and Vidya Games being pretty hit or miss,at least in my opinion , WWE at least seems to know what they are doing in terms of the performance center and future wrestlers

he started out as a babyface whose character was "I'm a good wrestler" until he leaned into this oblivious self-absorbed heel role. The line for kayfabe was blurred well, being an Olympic gold medalist is obviously something he deserves to brag about so the audience couldn't tell if he was truly a dickhead. Then even if he was, he put on such excellent shows they want to see him fight anyway. Bron needs a dynamic like this.

while I do understand the concern about him being just le wrestler guy, Bron seems to have some of that character down, people already chant like wild dogs when he enters the ring, and his in-ring style is something I feel is somewhat unique among talent, guy can run like a fucking train and his spear actually looks good (a rarity among those who have used the Spear as a finisher), hopefully with him being Heyman's top guy for now he has some back-up in terms of promos, I can see Cody head-lining at least one more Mania before they go all in with Bron so there's time to come up with something hopefully

 

[crunchy bits are the best]

Martha remained on good terms with Stu, Helen, and Bret, although the rest of the Harts basically became persona non grata to her because they were busy tripping over themselves to try and get in good with WWE.

Not sure if Stu and Helen were still on good terms with Martha later on but Bret and Martha did have a rift eventually since like you said, the rest of the Harts were busy tripping over themselves to try to get in good terms with WWE.

it says a lot about her, if im not mistaken she's basically the reason they can't induct Owen into the HoF (but AEW having a tournament in his namesake is apparently ok)

She said in a past interview that she doesn't want the same company that killed her husband be inducted in some non-existing hallway of fame. Basically, any wrestling promotion except WWE can honor her husband instead.

 

[Well Intentioned]

it says a lot about her, if im not mistaken she's basically the reason they can't induct Owen into the HoF (but AEW having a tournament in his namesake is apparently ok)

To add onto the post I made to Trolli, Stu/Helen got a couple million, $10M went to establishing the Owen Hart Foundation (which has done a lot of great charitable work in/around Calgary) and a chunk of the settlement money went to ensuring her kids would be taken care of.

The reason the payout was 'lower' was because Ellie fucked over legal proceedings by sending WWE a bunch of legal documents that basically gave them leverage so Martha had to settle.

She's always been against WWE making any sort of profit off of Owen and has gone to the courts in the past over that. I don't necessarily blame her, and the shit with AEW seems more like a reluctant bone to throw to the fans who want to 'honor' his legacy.

I don't think characterizing her as a golddigger or whatever is really fair or accurate to her.

EDIT: And I will say that she's shown far more integrity over all of this shit than Bret, and I am saying this as someone who is a huge Bret fan.

Not sure if Stu and Helen were still on good terms with Martha later on but Bret and Martha did have a rift eventually since like you said, the rest of the Harts were busy tripping over themselves to try to get in good terms with WWE.

As far as I know she was on good terms with the elder Harts until their passing. Things did sour between Martha and Bret eventually because Bret was all 'muh legacy', which, honestly, I think was mostly bullshit and mostly rationalizing him chasing a payday (his relationship with Vince is really fucking complicated as he was kinda a father figure that he didn't really have with Empty Headed Stu. But also, the whole whinging about his legacy is kinda stupid because everyone knows Bret's contributions and a single DVD smear piece wouldn't have changed that.)

I say that because Bret is still trying to make money -- there's a restaurant that opened up in a casino that is basically a museum of his career. All of his belts are on display, plus some of his gear and other things.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

She's always been against WWE making any sort of profit off of Owen and has gone to the courts in the past over that. I don't necessarily blame her

In those terms it’s definitely understandable, I imagine Bret and the rest of the family have a different perspective on it, with Vince gone I honestly would have thought there would have been potential for him to at least been mentioned in some capacity (I think he and his match with Bret at Wrestlemania 10 was briefly mentioned by the commentators in the build up to the Usos match at wm40 along with the Hardy’s), it’s not something I’m particularly that anal about but I can see both sides

 

[Well Intentioned]

In those terms it’s definitely understandable, I imagine Bret and the rest of the family have a different perspective on it, with Vince gone I honestly would have thought there would have been potential for him to at least been mentioned in some capacity (I think he and his match with Bret at Wrestlemania 10 was briefly mentioned by the commentators in the build up to the Usos match at wm40 along with the Hardy’s), it’s not something I’m particularly that anal about but I can see both sides

Yeah, my understanding with the last time she took WWE to court is that WWE is allowed to reference Owen's time in WWE but crap like merch, DVDs, selling tickets for a HOF induction, etc. goes against the original settlement she had made with them back in 2000.

IIRC there was a Bret DVD that had some childhood photos of him and Owen that Martha shit a brick over and it was determined that, yes, she can sue for that.

Again, this is all going off of memory and I am almost positive some of the finer points might be off.

 

[Rudolf's Friend]

As far as I know she was on good terms with the elder Harts until their passing. Things did sour between Martha and Bret eventually because Bret was all 'muh legacy', which, honestly, I think was mostly bullshit and mostly rationalizing him chasing a payday (his relationship with Vince is really fucking complicated as he was kinda a father figure that he didn't really have with Empty Headed Stu. But also, the whole whinging about his legacy is kinda stupid because everyone knows Bret's contributions and a single DVD smear piece wouldn't have changed that.)

Her barring Bret from seeing his Nephew and Niece is still a shitty move no matter what kind of justification she makes. Owen was his brother who he grew up with, she chose to marry him, and from what I have heard their marriage was a rocky relationship before Owen died.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

it says a lot about her, if im not mistaken she's basically the reason they can't induct Owen into the HoF (but AEW having a tournament in his namesake is apparently ok)

Pretty much. She's a nasty piece of work. We see widow's of veterans or construction workers with more forgiveness than her. She is okay with Darby and sting dropping down the rafters 25 years later after Owen died, why not give him a legends deal with the company he worked the most. Why not negotiate a deal where any inclusion of trading cards, action figures or video games he's in wwe has to donate a percentage to his foundation.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Everything about Owen Hart, and practically the entire Hart family aside from Natalya, was way before I really knew what pro wrestling was, much less watched it or paid attention to the industry. It might as well be ancient history to somebody like me.

Spoiler: An idea of how this Hart family drama sounds to me.