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I thought Jade Cargil was pushed well. I like how she beat the shit out of Naomi. It looked very credible and makes her look like a monster. But I wonder if they're pushing her Goldberg style where they have her quickly beat the shit out of people to hide how shit her wrestling is. Still, her and my formerly thicc queen now Chyna 2.0 known as Jordan Grace are the only two current female wrestlers in the entire business that I can actually believe right now. The rest are still piss break "wrestlers" no better than Divas. The entire TNA Knockout Division from the early tens dogwalks current NXT and the Main Roster.
 
JustStopDude said:
I just got off the phone, talking my nephew and niece through the process dealing with a true and proper heel turn. My sister in law was like "you got these kids into this crap, you deal with this!"

I had that same conversation with my mom years and years ago when Hogan turned, and I couldn't handle it as a kid.

Just...bravo to the talent, the production, creative, etc. This shit is cooking right now.
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Ah to be young again watch a heel turn for the first time. I remember I was shocked as a kid when stone cold turned heel. I was just watching it again and goddamn does it read like a
Shakespeare tragedy. I can say I’ll try to watch wrestlemania this year.
 
trent said:
Last nights Collision was pathetic.
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In some amount of fairness, they could’ve just been phoning it in, considering Elimination Chamber was also last night.

But that gives AEW credit. Lord knows Cokehead Khan likely thinks his B-Show could compete and everyone who’s clearly just taking the money mark for a ride isn’t going to say no.

Again, I wish that roster was in the hands of literally anyone competent to book it. Shit I’d take Russo at this point - it’d be a car crash, but at least the bloated roster would have stuff to do…
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
In some amount of fairness, they could’ve just been phoning it in, considering Elimination Chamber was also last night.

But that gives AEW credit. Lord knows Cokehead Khan likely thinks his B-Show could compete and everyone who’s clearly just taking the money mark for a ride isn’t going to say no.

Again, I wish that roster was in the hands of literally anyone competent to book it. Shit I’d take Russo at this point - it’d be a car crash, but at least the bloated roster would have stuff to do…
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I'm probably the most pro-AEW person in this thread but even I'm getting disillusioned with the company at this stage.

Dynamite is "fine" at best most weeks but I think I'm done with Collision. It's just pointless.

Arguably the best roster of any wrestling promotion in the past decade or so and they are doing fuck all with it

You have Omega, Ospreay and Okada and you can't move the needle? A collection of solid tag teams who are doomed to do nothing of consequence. A small but insanely talented women's roster with huge fan buy-in who get maybe 20 minutes a week if they are lucky. Links to numerous other promotions that just ends up in mid card nothing matches.

The appetite for AEW exists among wrestling fans but they are wiffing it so badly that I'll just end up losing interest in the industry again because I can't stomach WWEs product.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
I can't believe they turned Cena heel. Hopefully they do it well or it goes to waste

It was perfectly done, too.
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If Cena comes out with a backwards ball cap, basketball jersey, massive lock chain, and khaki cargo shorts tomorrow night I will mark out with an intensity like I'm 11 again and I just heard the glass shatter
 
JustStopDude said:
I just got off the phone, talking my nephew and niece through the process dealing with a true and proper heel turn. My sister in law was like "you got these kids into this crap, you deal with this!"

I had that same conversation with my mom years and years ago when Hogan turned, and I couldn't handle it as a kid.

Just...bravo to the talent, the production, creative, etc. This shit is cooking right now.
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Okay I'll tell my story. I was at the sportsbar with my buddies when it happened and I got the girl working to change one of the TVs to play the Elimination Chamber and I did it mostly the troll. My running joke is to defend Wrestling because one of my other friends loves to shit on it calling it fake (it's bit we do to make each other laugh).

When Cody told Rocky to F himself that got everyone to go "WHOOAAA" and when Cena went heel my wrestling bashing friend shouted "HE KICKED HIM IN THE DICK!" WWE had more of a pop last night than the UFC Fight Night or Boxing. We all obviously watched the real human cockfighting more closely but for sheer drama that really was kino. I really want to see Cena's first promo, hope he at least recorded something for Raw.
 
CyrusHowler said:
As much as I WANT it to be Dr. of Thuganomics, it prolly will be Hollywood Cena.
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I'd love it if he came out and said

I thought I knew what Thuganomics was, but The Rock taught me real Thuganomics, Hollywood Thuganomics

Then we can have both lol
 
trent said:
You have Omega, Ospreay and Okada and you can't move the needle?
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Of course not. You can't take wrestlers that mainly appeal to hardcore fans and expect them to be perceived Cena-level stars right off the bat. Tony Khan, like most fans from the IWC, keeps making the mistake of thinking he doesn't have to establish them as characters to a newer, broader, uninitiated audience, and his idea for a hook to keep people invested is to pit them against each other in "dream matches" with barely a month of buildup. All the talk of work rate, match quality, and "bangers" doesn't mean a damn thing if the stakes aren't shown and their motives aren't established and consistent. Like, they made such a big deal about Okada and talked about him being the biggest talent acquisition, and what did it amount to? Him playing second fiddle to the Bucks, who themselves where already in the middle of a steady decline in audience engagement.
 
Magic Sun Daddy said:
Of course not. You can't take wrestlers that mainly appeal to hardcore fans and expect them to be perceived Cena-level stars right off the bat. Tony Khan, like most fans from the IWC, keeps making the mistake of thinking he doesn't have to establish them as characters to a newer, broader, uninitiated audience, and his idea for a hook to keep people invested is to pit them against each other in "dream matches" with barely a month of buildup. All the talk of work rate, match quality, and "bangers" doesn't mean a damn thing if the stakes aren't shown and their motives aren't established and consistent. Like, they made such a big deal about Okada and talked about him being the biggest talent acquisition, and what did it amount to? Him playing second fiddle to the Bucks, who themselves where already in the middle of a steady decline in audience engagement.
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Yep, the IWC falls into the trap of thinking "I know who Okada and Omega are, that means EVERYONE knows who they are!", a consequence of being in the wrestling bubble. Hardcores know who they are because they keep constant tabs on all of it.

If HHH had brought Okada in he would've given him a big video package and had the commentators explain who he is, where's he's from, his accomplishments, etc. Most WWE fans only watch WWE, when you bring a name in outside of the company you need to work harder to endear them to your fans. Like you said too, they need motivation, they need a story.

Tony spent his time growing up as a fan reading WON and making e-feds and shit, you can tell he's largely adopted the same view on wrestling that Meltzer has. Bangers, lots of flips, matches going 30+ minutes, dream match, etc.
 
Exterminatus said:
If HHH had brought Okada in he would've given him a big video package and had the commentators explain who he is, where's he's from, his accomplishments, etc. Most WWE fans only watch WWE, when you bring a name in outside of the company you need to work harder to endear them to your fans. Like you said too, they need motivation, they need a story.
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Didn't Ice Cube's son mention this on a podcast and all the AEW smarks got offended by it?
 
draggs said:
He looks like his head has shrunk, the proportion of his head to body was kinda jarring. And his face looks super youthful compared to his hair and the rest of his body. Doesn't matter I guess he can still go and can still cut a promo
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Yeah, the proportions definitely look weird, and the fact he's dying his hair is also a bit strange.
 
Exterminatus said:
If HHH had brought Okada...
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They would have done something similar as what they did with Penta.

Educate the fans. Tell the fans that this is someone BIG. If you don't know him, pay attention. Production values out of the ass. Set Okada up with someone on par with Gable to get him over. And have him, for the first time ever, run a proper match with selling and story telling. Make him look like a world beater and sell enough merch to run a 3rd world country for a year.

Basically the fucking opposite of what AEW keeps doing.

Magic Sun Daddy said:
You can't take wrestlers that mainly appeal to hardcore fans and expect them to be perceived Cena-level stars right off the bat. Tony Khan, like most fans from the IWC, keeps making the mistake of thinking he doesn't have to establish them as characters to a newer, broader, uninitiated audience, and his idea for a hook to keep people invested is to pit them against each other in "dream matches" with barely a month of buildup. All the talk of work rate, match quality, and "bangers" doesn't mean a damn thing if the stakes aren't shown and their motives aren't established and consistent.
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The two companies could flip rosters tomorrow and I honestly think that within 2 months, AEW would be a distant second again.

AEW is almost like a farm territory/banishment threat to talent for WWE.
 
JustStopDude said:
Educate the fans. Tell the fans that this is someone BIG. If you don't know him, pay attention. Production values out of the ass. Set Okada up with someone on par with Gable to get him over. And have him, for the first time ever, run a proper match with selling and story telling. Make him look like a world beater and sell enough merch to run a 3rd world country for a year.

Basically the fucking opposite of what AEW keeps doing.
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If only AEW would invest in more vignettes to build up a wrestler's character. Like what they did with the House of Black even though they went nowhere in the end. It's pretty common sense that any wrestler who shows up one day without any build-up will have your fans confused.

Seeing Okada playing second fiddle to the Bore Bucks is as insulting as him playing "Kato" back in his TNA days. Dude deserves better treatment with his history of NJPW in general.
 
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