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trent said:
It's fucking crazy that UFC PPVs are $80. Who in the blue fuck is paying for that?

Fight Pass is shite as well because it only offers events 2 days after they've happened when dudeweedbonerhitler420 has a torrent up 5 minutes after the show finishes.
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Dana White turned one of the most insipid looking concepts into the sport that dethroned boxing so I can’t second guess his business acumen. I think it’s good for the business because it encourages people to see it at bars or go to a friend’s house for a watch party. If everyone pays the host $10 then the cost is reasonable and more fun. If you need a streaming site well PM me.

Speaking of UFC really left wondering what would have happened if Shane convinced Vince to buy UFC. I don’t think it would have worked out because it took a long time for UFC to take off. I still think XFL failed because Vince doesn’t have patience for anything that doesn’t immediately take off.
 
trent said:
It's fucking crazy that UFC PPVs are $80. Who in the blue fuck is paying for that?

Fight Pass is shite as well because it only offers events 2 days after they've happened when dudeweedbonerhitler420 has a torrent up 5 minutes after the show finishes.
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Plenty of tough guy gymbros love UFC and make enough money to afford the ppvs, I couldn’t give a rats ass about ufc but they survive for the same reason Sony survives in spite of being hated by people on KF, we’re not a majority
 
LikeAStone 2.0 said:
Matt Hardy walks like a overweight black woman and Jeff Hardy looks like he’s one pill from his body exploding, but god fucking dammit I still get pumped every time that song comes on and they walk out like it’s 2005
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The Hardy Boys move like they wrestle underwater by now but dammit I love those retards.
 
Kulee Baba said:
I still think XFL failed because Vince doesn’t have patience for anything that doesn’t immediately take off.
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Eh, the XFL had a lot of reasons why it didn't succeed and I wouldn't say impatience from Vince was one of those things.

It had the 'guilty by association' problem of it being linked to WWE at its trashiest, lower quality of play, oddball production values, etc.

Plus they lost their TV deal. IIRC the NBC guy who Vince was buddy buddy with was let go, although that might've been another situation that I'm conflating.

If we're talking the second go-round, it was the pandemic, lol.
 
Well Intentioned said:
Eh, the XFL had a lot of reasons why it didn't succeed and I wouldn't say impatience from Vince was one of those things.

It had the 'guilty by association' problem of it being linked to WWE at its trashiest, lower quality of play, oddball production values, etc.

Plus they lost their TV deal. IIRC the NBC guy who Vince was buddy buddy with was let go, although that might've been another situation that I'm conflating.

If we're talking the second go-round, it was the pandemic, lol.
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Damn shame about the reboot because I miss 90% of NFL every season and then lament why I don’t watch more after The Super Bowl. Conceptually an XFL giving some bonus Football from February to April would be nice.

I just think if it had a few seasons to build up a fanbase it could have worked out. XFL actually was the first football game I ever attended I had fun.
 
Caddo Cobgang said:
Plenty of tough guy gymbros love UFC and make enough money to afford the ppvs, I couldn’t give a rats ass about ufc but they survive for the same reason Sony survives in spite of being hated by people on KF, we’re not a majority
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UFC seems to be going downhill. It lost what made it interesting.. different styles, personalities, etc... Now everyone has the same style (everyone is good at everything) and there's really not any charismatic personalities like Ronda or Conor.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
UFC seems to be going downhill. It lost what made it interesting.. different styles, personalities, etc... Now everyone has the same style (everyone is good at everything) and there's really not any charismatic personalities like Ronda or Conor.
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Has been for a while, Dana White chases out anyone interesting to watch because he wants to be the face of the company so he can justify not giving the fighters decent pay.
 
Buckaroo said:
Has been for a while, Dana White chases out anyone interesting to watch because he wants to be the face of the company so he can justify not giving the fighters decent pay.
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As a fan of MMA, I'd happily invest in TKO stock if I weren't so worried about the future of the UFC. It seems people are getting less and less interested in it. Even when I go to bars, unless Islam or Pereira is fighting, most people don't give two shits about it anymore. I went to watch UFC 310 and there was more people watching Mexican soccer than the PPV.

The WWE part of TKO seems fine, but the UFC part not so much...
 
Buckaroo said:
Has been for a while, Dana White chases out anyone interesting to watch because he wants to be the face of the company so he can justify not giving the fighters decent pay.
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I’m pretty sure Dana also used to argue with wrestling fans in the early days of Twitter, he obviously won’t now because he’s beholden to TKO, granted there’s worse forms of entertainment out there but UFC was never particularly entertaining to me for the same reason football or basketball isn’t, regardless Ari seems to know the importance of target audience and is smart enough to keep WWE and UFC mostly segregated which is fine by me
 
Once the UFC started running shows on a nearly weekly basis, it went downhill quick. Roster is way too bloated and I think the quality would even improve now if they cut the fat, keep about 20 to 25 fighters per weight class, and maybe just run two shows per month max.

Also the sport kind of sucks now because everyone cross trains in some form or another. Just like generic wrestleboxers were the bane of the 2000s, Eastern Bloc wrestlers are the bane of today's sport. Very few people with the credentials to effectively neutralize that region's level of wrestling, as seen in their dominance in Olympic wrestling. It'd be different if they had the style of Volk Han and Andrey Kopylov but the majority of Dagestani are pretty cut and dry, control type of wrestlers.

To keep it relevant to wrestling, I can't believe how much I've taken a liking to Harley Cameron in the last few months. I thought she was annoying in the beginning of her run but she's just so fucking charming and fun on screen. What is going on with these Australian broads in AEW!?
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
UFC seems to be going downhill. It lost what made it interesting.. different styles, personalities, etc... Now everyone has the same style (everyone is good at everything) and there's really not any charismatic personalities like Ronda or Conor.
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I'd say it was right around the time they bought Pride. Dana has always been very Vince-like (his fixation on Liddell, for example, or branching out into weird ventures like Slap Fighting) but also with wanting to be taken seriously (the biggest being the fighting ban in New York that they worked at for nearly 20 years. Part of that was with shit like treating it more like a sport (no more ads for CondomDepot.com or whatever on your trunks, now you have to wear the Adidas kit.)

But ya, as other people mentioned, Dana does his best to stamp out any character or marketability.

We are likely to see more nickel and diming of WWE guys under TKO. Say what you will about Vince, but if you were a good employee for him, he'd look after you.
 
Well Intentioned said:
We are likely to see more nickel and diming of WWE guys under TKO. Say what you will about Vince, but if you were a good employee for him, he'd look after you.
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Well it’s totally different businesses. You were brought into the WWE you’re expected to hop from city to city to perform. You’ve gotta love that weird combination of a rockstar touring while still being a gymrat. A UFC fighter probably fights twice a year sometimes less depending on damaged they get. A top performer like Du Plessis can just stay at home with his family, training is his only real day job.

UFC can only be compared to Boxing. And yes UFC looks like a ripoff when Canelo walks out with a $60,000,000 purse. The catch is only the best of the best Boxers make real money. You’re better off being a literal who UFC fighter who still makes it into the main card over a no name boxer.
 
Kulee Baba said:
Well it’s totally different businesses. You were brought into the WWE you’re expected to hop from city to city to perform. You’ve gotta love that weird combination of a rockstar touring while still being a gymrat. A UFC fighter probably fights twice a year sometimes less depending on damaged they get. A top performer like Du Plessis can just stay at home with his family, training is his only real day job.

UFC can only be compared to Boxing. And yes UFC looks like a ripoff when Canelo walks out with a $60,000,000 purse. The catch is only the best of the best Boxers make real money. You’re better off being a literal who UFC fighter who still makes it into the main card over a no name boxer.
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Yeah, I mean more just in day to day business operations rather than things like payouts. But I do think that performer money is gonna crater and those upside guarantees/cut of merch/etc are likely going to slowly evaporate.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
UFC seems to be going downhill. It lost what made it interesting.. different styles, personalities, etc... Now everyone has the same style (everyone is good at everything) and there's really not any charismatic personalities like Ronda or Conor.
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I still enjoy the UFC and MMA in general but the fighting styles that lead to success have really narrowed down and an awful lot of fights end up going to the judges scorecards now.

Wrestling really dominates the sport and BJJ is almost entirely defensive now. Good strikers can be fun to watch and they'll have some success but they'll eventually hit a level in the rankings where their opponents are able to neutralise them by jabbing for distance or compromising them with leg/calf kicks before they wrestlefuck them.

The most successful people at the moment are fairly complete fighters who have a heavy emphasis on their wrestling. Hell, even any fight that stays on the feet for the 3/5 rounds usually does so because they realise both their levels of skill on the ground will cancel each other out.

The nature of the sport leads to evolution but there is generally a "best" way to fight at any given time and all of the gyms train towards that.
 
You guys remember that terrible tattoo MJF got? Apparently he had it removed.

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I.B. Niggin said:
To keep it relevant to wrestling, I can't believe how much I've taken a liking to Harley Cameron in the last few months. I thought she was annoying in the beginning of her run but she's just so fucking charming and fun on screen. What is going on with these Australian broads in AEW!?
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agreed, she is one of the few talents AEW has left that is actually good, my opinion of her is similar to that of Ricky Starks AEW run, even though the company booking her is god-awful shes still worthwhile in spte of that
 
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