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Cuck Norris said:
Exactly. He's a solid mid-carder that could work some feuds and elevate other guys, but he's never going to put asses in seats, and you just KNOW he'd constantly be in the main event scene in any company he has a stake in. He did it in TNA, and even had the balls to turn cucking Kurt Angle into a work.
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I can vividly imagine angle losing his shit from being called a cuck and putting your avatar in an Angle Lock.
 
big baby jesus said:
Do people even hate heels anymore?
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Poor Scott Hall.

His son got injured working ring boy duties in new japan this morning. One of the young bucks did a Hardy style dive off of one of the entrances in Sumo hall onto the rest of the people involved + Cody. Landed straight on Cody's neck and sent him head first into concrete. Boy got stretchered out and there's talk of everything between getting knocked out, breaking his neck and dying.



Update:
https://twitter.com/MattJackson13/status/719148093497708544
Cody's going to be fine
 
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Lorento said:
People still despise the Miz and boo him at every event. But in fairness, he is a pretty damn fine heel.
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Hi my computer sux. Meant to add Miz & Maryse vignette on this week's RAW was the funniest thing I've seen in a while.
 
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MrJakeTerror said:
Candido's brother just announced that Balls Mahoney is dead.
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Satan's trying to boost his roster in response to all the big name hires God got in His promotion in 2015.
Hellspeed, you crazy devil-worshipping blood-injecting crazy guy. I'll always remember that time you chanted ECW at the divas playing poker.
;_;7
 
Dammit, the injuries to the WWE roster continue as Bray Wyatt suffer a calf injury in Milan, Italy. Just when the Wyatt Family was starting a feud with the League of Nations.
 
Sc4rface said:
I've not really followed WWE in a couple of years apart from a couple of PPVs and a bit of news reading but I'm generally aware of the push Roman has gotten. And really, why hasn't he been turned? People boo every damn thing he does, he has a boring moveset and a finisher he can hit anywhere and out of the blue (so he can snatch victories even after a babyface has beaten him down). Are they that desperate to have a new babyface whose merchandise kids will buy?
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I went on waaayyyyyyy to long with this, so I've tagged my response for convenience's sake.

Vince always pushes like hell to make someone new the top star when his current ones hit their late 30s, and it's probably why he's lasted this long in the industry. He did this after the steroid trials and that horrendous Hogan/Slaughter Gulf War angle sent his business into the gutter rather than continuing to rely on Hogan and Savage and the like even though they still had gas in the tank. He did this during the early 00s after the InVasion flopped. And he's doing it now with Roman because he's smart enough to know Cena'll prefer to spend his 40s hanging out with Judd Apatow and his sexy common-law wife making easy money rather than getting beaten up for a living.

Vince's quests to make a new guy don't always hit the mark. Warrior burned out fast. Diesel fared even worse. Muhammad Hassan was supposed to be the top heel in the company, and he tanked like Hogan/Slaughter. But for all of Vince's many, many failures and bad ideas, he understands that you always need new blood to keep the ship afloat.

Vince's major issue now is that he's trying to simultaneously capture more casual fans while keeping Raw three hours long for the ad revenue. He almost assuredly can't have both. There's nothing remotely casual about a three-hour weekly show, but he's trying anyway because of all the money he's making from the deal.

As for Reigns? His new gimmick's working just fine, so there's no need for him to turn. He's getting regular heat, he sounds believable, and since the face-heel lines are blurred with him, he can believably tango with all the roster members who are over regardless of their status. WWE can work it just like the old days, where the champ had flexibility in their alignment depending on what the area needed.

Roman also won't be able to replace Cena's appeal, but there aren't any prospects in any promotion that can match Cena's goofy magnetism. But this also means Roman's liberated from Cena's dichotomy because he doesn't have to worry about alienating the younguns.*

* This is also why Hogan didn't turn heel until he was in WCW. Bischoff and Co., not only had a different audience than the WWF; they had completely different demographics of appeal. Hogan was universally despised by this group, and there were fewer kids for him to appeal to anyway.

Cuck Norris said:
Exactly. He's a solid mid-carder that could work some feuds and elevate other guys, but he's never going to put asses in seats, and you just KNOW he'd constantly be in the main event scene in any company he has a stake in. He did it in TNA, and even had the balls to turn cucking Kurt Angle into a work.
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Much as Jarrett deserves to be raked over the coals for a wide variety of reasons, I don't blame him at all for the Karen thing. Kurt Angle is utterly demented, and I can't imagine even being alone in a house with him without wondering what will die in the next hour.

Turning the whole mess into a wrestling angle was the kind of carny-shit I expect and abuse the both of them for. But given a choice between a sober family man and a deranged junkie with a criminal record to rival Lindsay Lohan armed with expert knowledge on how to inflict pain on people and an ever teetering connection to reality, the only bad move is not jumping to Slapnuts sooner.
 
*Asterisk* said:
while keeping Raw three hours long for the ad revenue
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Actually Vince didn't want and still doesn't want a three hour show. Its too much per week and burns people out. It was actually the USA channel that pushed for a three hour show and Vince had to say yes. The thing is RAW is the best thing on USA right now. After Monk, Pysche, and Burn Noticed ended, the show stop producing instant hits and all shows since have crashed and burned. USA needs RAW to keep it somewhat strong
 
Bork Laser said:
Actually Vince didn't want and still doesn't want a three hour show. Its too much per week and burns people out. It was actually the USA channel that pushed for a three hour show and Vince had to say yes. The thing is RAW is the best thing on USA right now. After Monk, Pysche, and Burn Noticed ended, the show stop producing instant hits and all shows since have crashed and burned. USA needs RAW to keep it somewhat strong
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Oh, thank Christ.

Anytime I get the news that Vince actually remembers the past, I feel happier.
 
Easy solution to the 3 hour problem is to book longer matches. Pepperidge Farms remembers 60 minute time limit draws. You can show commercials during the rest holds.
 
*Asterisk* said:
I went on waaayyyyyyy to long with this, so I've tagged my response for convenience's sake.

Vince always pushes like hell to make someone new the top star when his current ones hit their late 30s, and it's probably why he's lasted this long in the industry. He did this after the steroid trials and that horrendous Hogan/Slaughter Gulf War angle sent his business into the gutter rather than continuing to rely on Hogan and Savage and the like even though they still had gas in the tank. He did this during the early 00s after the InVasion flopped. And he's doing it now with Roman because he's smart enough to know Cena'll prefer to spend his 40s hanging out with Judd Apatow and his sexy common-law wife making easy money rather than getting beaten up for a living.

Vince's quests to make a new guy don't always hit the mark. Warrior burned out fast. Diesel fared even worse. Muhammad Hassan was supposed to be the top heel in the company, and he tanked like Hogan/Slaughter. But for all of Vince's many, many failures and bad ideas, he understands that you always need new blood to keep the ship afloat.

Vince's major issue now is that he's trying to simultaneously capture more casual fans while keeping Raw three hours long for the ad revenue. He almost assuredly can't have both. There's nothing remotely casual about a three-hour weekly show, but he's trying anyway because of all the money he's making from the deal.

As for Reigns? His new gimmick's working just fine, so there's no need for him to turn. He's getting regular heat, he sounds believable, and since the face-heel lines are blurred with him, he can believably tango with all the roster members who are over regardless of their status. WWE can work it just like the old days, where the champ had flexibility in their alignment depending on what the area needed.

Roman also won't be able to replace Cena's appeal, but there aren't any prospects in any promotion that can match Cena's goofy magnetism. But this also means Roman's liberated from Cena's dichotomy because he doesn't have to worry about alienating the younguns.*

* This is also why Hogan didn't turn heel until he was in WCW. Bischoff and Co., not only had a different audience than the WWF; they had completely different demographics of appeal. Hogan was universally despised by this group, and there were fewer kids for him to appeal to anyway.
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I agree with pretty much all of this. What they've been doing with Reigns after Mania sounds like a big improvement. The point of my critique was the tone deaf way he was pushed before Mania. They could and I still think should have tweaked the presentation when it became painfully obvious that the audience wasn't buying the gutsy underdog babyface. Something like "Roman gets sick and tired of getting pushed around and turns into an angry asskicker" would have led to the Wrestlemania main event against Triple H just as neatly.

Regarding nobody matching Cena's appeal, I'm not quite so pessimistic. If my memory serves me correctly, while he was good to begin with, at least I didn't perceive superstarpower in him initially, I think a talented person can learn that and sometimes it's surprising who can do that.
 
Sc4rface said:
Regarding nobody matching Cena's appeal, I'm not quite so pessimistic. If my memory serves me correctly, while he was good to begin with, at least I didn't perceive superstarpower in him initially, I think a talented person can learn that and sometimes it's surprising who can do that.
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yeah tbh I thought Cena was a fun guy who had a pretty good workrate and looked kind of goofy with his really long arms that made him look like an ape during his thuganomics era, but I thought he was in no way a title contender until he started doing the NEVER GIVE UP IM A MARINE USA USA! gimmick that bring children to tears.
 
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