US Final Presidental Debate 2020

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WELCOME TO THE FINAL 2020 PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!!
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What time is the debate?

Starts at 6pm-7:30pm PST / 8pm CST-9:30pm CST / 9pm-10:30pm EST

How do I watch?

The major news networks — ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and NBC — will air the debate on TV as well as stream it on their apps and websites. C-SPAN will air it on TV, its website and its YouTube channel. Stream will be linked here when it's up.


Where?

Belmont University in Nashville.

Who is moderating?​

Kristen Welker

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Candidates-​

Donald J Trump​

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Joseph R Biden​

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The debate will cover six topics:
1) The fight against COVID-19
2) American families
3) Race in America
4) Climate change
5) National security
6) Leadership

New rule: Seeing as the debate is digital, the commission has to give two minutes to let a candidate speak for a given topic. From there it goes into a large back and forth. If one candidate over-speaks or speaks when it's the other's turn, he will be muted.
Well, it’s almost over.

Thursday’s matchup between President Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden will mark the end of a presidential debate season that has spanned 16 months. Since June 2019, Americans have been asked to watch more than 30 hours of robust discussion spread over 13 Democratic primary events, one presidential debate and one vice presidential debate.

The final debate follows weeks of surprise illness, controversy and the Trump campaign’s feuds with both the Biden team and the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates. What was meant to be the second presidential debate, scheduled for last week, was canceled after Trump rejected the commission’s decision to hold a virtual event in light of his COVID-19 diagnosis early this month. Instead, the two candidates participated in dueling town halls.


Tension between the president’s campaign and the commission grew this week when the the commission announced it would cut off sound to the candidates’ microphones when it wasn’t their turn to speak. The panel is aiming to prevent the kind of constant interruptions — mainly from the president — that plagued the first debate. Trump’s team also criticized the subjects announced by moderator Kristen Welker, an NBC News White House correspondent.

Here’s what you need to know:

What time is the debate?​


The debate will start at 6 p.m. Pacific time Thursday and last 90 minutes, with no commercial breaks. It will be held at Belmont University in Nashville.

How do I watch?​


The major news networks — ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and NBC — will air the debate on TV as well as stream it on their apps and websites. C-SPAN will air it on TV, its website and its YouTube channel.

Who is moderating?​


NBC’s Welker is moderating the debate, which will cover six topics: the fight against COVID-19, American families, race in America, climate change, national security and leadership. The topics Welker chose were announced Friday.

Three days later, Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien wrote to the commission that the campaign had expected foreign policy to be the focus and had been promised as much, an assertion the commission said was not true. The letter also accused the commission of engaging in “pro-Biden antics” such as not rescheduling debates based on the Trump campaign’s requests.

No debate in 2020 was ever designated by CPD as devoted to foreign or domestic policy,” the commission wrote on its Twitter account. “The same was true in 2016, when President Trump participated in the CPD debates. The choice of topics is left entirely to the journalistic judgment of the moderators.”

Biden campaign spokesman TJ Ducklo challenged Stepien’s characterization.



“The campaigns and the commission agreed months ago that the debate moderator would choose the topics,” Ducklo said. “The Trump campaign is lying about that now because Donald Trump is afraid to face more questions about his disastrous COVID response.”


What does Trump have to say about Welker?​


The president has a long history of clashing with debate hosts. This year he accused both Fox News’ Chris Wallace, who moderated the first debate, and C-SPAN’s Steve Scully, who would have moderated the Oct. 15 debate, of being biased. Scully was suspended by C-SPAN after he admitted to lying about a tweet he sent to former Trump aide and now critic Anthony Scaramucci.


Trump reserved the same treatment for Welker.

As recently as January, the president congratulated Welker on her new role as a co-anchor on NBC’s “Weekend Today,” saying the network made a “very wise decision.” But in the days leading up to the debate, the president and his allies have attempted to undermine her. The campaign has pointed to reports from Fox News and the New York Post on her parents’ donations to Democratic candidates, though Welker herself is an independent, according to the Associated Press.

What do the candidates think of the microphone rule?​


Asked about the rule change during an extensive phone interview with the hosts of “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday, the president said, “The whole thing is crazy.” He repeated a false claim that the commission purposely “stifled out,” “muted” and “modulated” his mic during a 2016 presidential debate with Hillary Clinton.

“They actually had to write me a letter of apology,” he said during the call.

(The commission put out a brief statement at the time saying, “There were issues regarding Donald Trump’s audio that affected the sound level in the debate hall.” The sound issue was not apparent on television broadcasts.)

Biden supports the rule change. “I think it’s a good idea, I think there should be more limitations on not interrupting one another,” he told Milwaukee’s ABC News affiliate WISN in an interview Tuesday.

What are the candidates going to talk about?​


Based on the debate topics and recent comments by the campaigns, Biden will probably focus on the president’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic, which has left more than 221,000 Americans dead and millions unemployed.

The president has falsely accused Biden of supporting defunding the police in the past and will probably repeat that claim Thursday. Trump is also expected to bring up Biden’s past comments on fracking and his plan to raise taxes on the wealthy.

Both candidates are likely to hit the other on China. Although the Trump campaign has tried to portray Biden as weak on China and misrepresented his son Hunter Biden’s business dealings there, members of the president’s family, including daughter Ivanka, also have had dealings in China. The New York Times reported this week that President Trump has a Chinese bank account through one of his businesses and paid nearly $200,000 in taxes to China between 2013 and 2015.



Regardless of the topics, the former vice president’s son is likely to be a main target of the president. The New York Post has reported on emails provided by the president’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, that he said were retrieved from the hard drive of a laptop purportedly left at a Delaware repair shop by Hunter Biden. It’s unclear whether any steps were taken to verify the authenticity of emails found on the laptop, nor do they support the unfounded allegations that Joe Biden misused his authority as vice president to help his son’s foreign interests. Trump’s claims dovetail with a Russian disinformation effort that U.S. intelligence officials say is designed to undermine Biden’s candidacy.

Is the president going to try a different debate strategy?​


Probably not. Brian Kilmeade of “Fox & Friends” asked Trump whether he was planning on changing his debate strategy or introducing new people to his prep team, and whether he would take time to correct any falsehoods from Biden.

“Will you take some of your time and answer the previous question, like Mike Pence did, and then answer their question?” Kilmeade asked the president Tuesday.

“Well look, I do my own debating. I do fine, and I do my own debating, and a lot of people said I won,” Trump said. “Look, when somebody stands there and he lies, lies, lies, I like to challenge it at the time, because you don’t have time to go back.”

Although Biden at the last debate incorrectly said the U.S. had a higher trade deficit with China now than before Trump took office, Trump made multiple false statements, including about mail voting, the economy and his administration’s approach to healthcare.

The president did acknowledge that some people had suggested he let Biden finish his thoughts. “There are a lot of people that say, ‘Let him talk,’ because he loses his train, he loses his train, he loses his mind, frankly,” Trump said.

When is the next debate?​


We’ll get back to you in 2023.

After the debates a poll will be posted on who you think won the final debate. Have fun!
Thank you to everybody following the 2019-2020 presidential cycle and tuning into the debates, it's been a lot of fun and I hope you guys had as much fun as I have. These only come once every 4 years and seem like a slowly fading tradition, I hope the entertainment can be kept alive for future generations. I really enjoy seeing the replies, live takes, responses and memes.

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I think Trump knew that if he pressed on it, the MSM would call him deranged.

He mentioned it, and at least put the idea in people's heads. So that's good.
He also rattled Joe with it, after that Joe was full of awkward pauses and stutterings. Trump even took the high ground by acknowledging Hunter's drug issues as being off limits so the sniffy Joe couldn't drum up sympathy about it.
 

I tuned in late and only caught the last 20 minutes.

Biden did a lot better than I expected him to, but he still looks and sounds like he's not long for this world.

Trump hammering on Obama/Biden's failure to get shit done in the eight years they were in office, plus "Who built those cages?" were good moves.

Mentioning the "low IQ individuals" in reference to a small subset of illegal Mexican immigrants was--oof. Not good, even if it's true. The media is going to jump all over that one. And dwelling on "tiny little windows" as part of his argument against the Green Leap Forward wasn't an effective enough visual to sway anybody.

Based on what I've seen, I do think Trump won this one, but it wasn't a rousing victory, and he mainly pulled it off by being a lot more vigorous and energetic than Biden.
Dude Trump's been saying this shit forever. Who gives a fuck.
 
I need to see that awkward silence again, that was hilarious. Even the moderator who was clearly on his side was like is that it?
It's weird seeing people say that Biden did better than expected. He was fairly staid in the first debate. But this time around he was slurring, stuttering and repeating the same stories over and over.
 
I think Trump knew that if he pressed on it, the MSM would call him deranged.

He mentioned it, and at least put the idea in people's heads. So that's good.

"The Biden's Vacuum up all the foreign money" was the perfect kill shot. That was the message he needed. He got it in early as a perfect sound bite.
 
I think Trump knew that if he pressed on it, the MSM would call him deranged.

He mentioned it, and at least put the idea in people's heads. So that's good.

Exactly, the point is to make it as esoteric as possible, the point is to make individuals look into it for themselves.
Because the MSM is going on about Borat 2 like it matters.
I need to see that awkward silence again, that was hilarious. Even the moderator who was clearly on his side was like is that it?
That was so fucking hilarious.
He has the balls to bitch about a slight Republican majority, yet DRUMPF has to wrestle with the Supreme Court, the Media, the FBI, AND Far left White Supremacists.

Yet he gets to bitch about how hard his basic bitch boy job requesites was.
 
I loved the debate.

Especially when Biden just stared at the camera for 10 fucking seconds, smiling like he'd just invented fucking.

Second thing was: The video we watched before the debate. Where we saw joggers VS cops at first. The joggers would be all BANG BANG!

Then they showed the white dudes. First dude with his methmobile fucking jumped out, shot one cop with a pistol, jumped into his truck, then jumped out with a fucking rifle and smoked the other. Then we watched the Staters get a white chick out of the house, the boyfriend fucking RAMS THE COPS and starts shooting. Then a fat old white dude walks up and starts shooting at the cops and gets shot back.

And we hear about how "Black people have to give the talk."

It was a great juxtaposition.

Because white people do give their kids the talk: "Don't fuck with the cops."
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DB0RrEUIWc

didn't embed since its nsfw.
 
Alright, lots to talk about here:

Way better than the first debate now that I think back to it. I was too quick on calling Drumpf a winner in that one despite him having the up over more statements than Biden in that first one. It was a bit chaotic. Probs would say that neither of them were winners. The net benefit for Drumpf and Biden were negative in the first one despite them both doing overall kinda average.

This debate was the best of them all, for both sides. Biden and Trump did a good job here, but one person did better, and Drumpf did better throughout.

It was as if the Orange Man took all that he did wrong within the first debate, put it into perspective, and knocked it dead. He did better than Pence did in his debate, I'll say, actually. He answered questions without trying to constantly tie it in with self-fellation for the most part (although near the end he leaned into that a bit, which was a bit flawed), he was able to elaborate on himself in comparison to Biden, he gave off balanced answers that really hit the mark, and with only occasional interruption. He approached the stage calmly and with an appeal and went hard on Biden when need be while also proposing what he would do. He actually looked pretty strong and really laid into Biden by talking about policy or whatnot which Biden wasn't really able to do as well because Drumpf always first in trying to really lay into some of the more weird parts about Biden's policy. He gave concise, although not overly specific arguments as to why and I think he did very well in that regard, way better than in the first debate. The drugs they must've given to Drumpf were pretty good, I'd bet. 8/10 for Drumpf. He took his weaknesses, turned them around, and probably took advice from his advisers and Pence. Solid act.

Biden, did ok too. He answered questions, didn't skeet around and was generally alright despite the usual line of Democrat fearmongering or whatever, he did ok. He answered questions, gave answers, he did about average for what you would need to do in this scenario. A 6, I give him, but he really fucked up on the crime part. When Drumpf asked Joe "why didn't you do it in 6 years?" and his excuse was "muh Republican Congress", looked really damn bad on Biden's part. Drumpf was able to get the criminal justice bill within the time period in which the Dems were in Congress, bipartisan agreement. If Biden couldn't come together and try to tie over the Republicans, then that shows something. That really fucked up Biden more so than his whole thing about calling Drumpf "Abraham Lincoln". Like that just sealed the deal right there. He did have an up on Drumpf in terms of the oil question near the end, but that one thing fucking decimated Biden. Not even his deflections on the Hunter Biden stuff did him as horribly as him admitting to not being able to reach a bipartisan agreement for no reason other than "muh Republicans". I thought Biden was doing ok, until those fumbles, especially that one.

In terms of the moderator, she actually did a decent job, although near the end she started tryna' interrupt Drumpf a little, she posed strong questions both towards Drumpf and Biden (with some occasional blunderous questions) and was very good at moderating the two of them and trying to be balanced. Despite the biases we know of her, she didn't really shine them out as often as the other debaters (despite that for them being rare as well). Best moderator of all.

This was overall a very entertaining debate, pretty informative, and I didn't regret spending my time watching it. Both sides should be proud, although one side did better imo, but your mileage may vary.
 
I'm not American and don't pretend to know all the ins and outs of US politics.

But after watching that, if anybody tells you they are voting for a Biden presidency and not a Harris one they are either a liar or an idiot.
 
I need to see that awkward silence again, that was hilarious. Even the moderator who was clearly on his side was like is that it?
I don't know how it looked on C-SPAN, I was watching the Fox News stream, and the camera timing was perfect. Joe goes on camera "I had a Republican Congress. *beat*" And then it cuts to show the entire stage while the mod and Trump look at him in befuddlement.
 
Alright, lots to talk about here:

Way better than the first debate now that I think back to it. I was too quick on calling Drumpf a winner in that one despite him having the up over more statements than Biden in that first one. It was a bit chaotic. Probs wouldn't say that either of them wer winners. The net benefit for Drumpf and Biden were negative in the first one despite them both doing overall kinda average.

This debate was the best of them all, for both sides. Biden and Trump did a good job here, but one person did better, and Drumpf did better throughout.

It was as if the Orange Man took all that he did wrong within the first debate, put it into perspective, and knocked it dead. He did better than Pence did in his debate, I'll say, actually. He answered questions without trying to constantly tie it in with self-fellation for the most part (although near the end he leaned into that a bit, which was a bit flawed), he was able to elaborate on himself in comparison to Biden, he gave off balanced answers that really hit the mark, and with only occasional interruption. He approached the stage calmly and with an appeal and went hard on Biden when need be while also proposing what he would do. He actually looked pretty strong and really laid into Biden by talking about policy or whatnot which Biden wasn't really able to do as well because Drumpf always first in trying to really lay into some of the more weird parts about Biden's policy. He gave concise, although not overly specific arguments as to why and I think he did very well in that regard, way better than in the first debate. The drugs they must've given to Drumpf were pretty good, I'd bet. 8/10 for Drumpf.

Biden, did ok too. He answered questions, didn't skeet around and was generally alright despite the usual line of Democrat fearmongering or whatever, he did ok. He answered questions, gave answers, he did about average for what you would need to do in this scenario. A 6, I give him, but he really fucked up on the crime part. When Drumpf asked Joe "why didn't you do it in 6 years?" and his excuse was "muh Republican Congress", looked really damn bad on Biden's part. Drumpf was able to get the criminal justice bill within the time period in which the Dems were in Congress, bipartisan agreement. If Biden couldn't come together and try to tie over the Republicans, then that shows something. That really fucked up Biden more so than his whole thing about calling Drumpf "Abraham Lincoln". Like that just sealed the deal right there. He did have an up on Drumpf in terms of the oil question near the end, but that one thing fucking decimated Biden. Not even his deflections on the Hunter Biden stuff did him as horribly as him admitting to not being able to reach a bipartisan agreement for no reason other than "muh Republicans". I thought Biden was doing ok, until those fumbles, especially that one.

In terms of the moderator, she actually did a decent job, although near the end she started tryna' interrupt Drumpf a little, she posed strong questions both towards Drumpf and Biden (with some occasional blunderous questions) and was very good at moderating the two of them and trying to be balanced. Despite the biases we know of her, she didn't really shine them out as often as the other debaters (despite that for them being rare as well). Best moderator of all.


This was overall a very entertaining debate, pretty informative, and I don't regret spending my time watching it. Both sides should be proud, although one side did better imo, but your mileage may vary.
Calling for end of oil is never good electorally. Not even northern fags would say shit like this. This is absolute disaster. Biden just fucked his moderates.
 
Trump hit the Baris and Barnes "war" (No war with NK. Wish could have spoken about the peace deals.) and "trade" (to an extent, he talked about jobs surrounding resources, litigation that killed jobs and the economy, and managed to trap Biden into saying he'll work to take away the resources that run state jobs.)

On the last question, if you expect something different... Lol. At least, Biden's unity message seemed to be. He reused the Obama peddling hope and chance mantra. That's no Reagan-- that's politician schlock. You're a fool if that's what eats you up.
 
I tuned in late and only caught the last 20 minutes.

Biden did a lot better than I expected him to, but he still looks and sounds like he's not long for this world.

Trump hammering on Obama/Biden's failure to get shit done in the eight years they were in office, plus "Who built those cages?" were good moves.

Mentioning the "low IQ individuals" in reference to a small subset of illegal Mexican immigrants was--oof. Not good, even if it's true. The media is going to jump all over that one. And dwelling on "tiny little windows" as part of his argument against the Green Leap Forward wasn't an effective enough visual to sway anybody.

Based on what I've seen, I do think Trump won this one, but it wasn't a rousing victory, and he mainly pulled it off by being a lot more vigorous and energetic than Biden.

I think you missed the moment when the Moderator, who was shilling desperately for Biden all night, just looked at him and blurted out 'WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT" when he said he would end oil.
 
On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you guys rate these debate performances?

Donald John Trump Senior:

Joseph Robinette Biden Junior:

Kristen Welker:
Trump: 10/10 for actually showing up and speaking to the audience coherently instead of mumbling to ghosts in half-garbled riddles.
Biden: can I give a negative integer?
Welker: 8/10 as a crutch for Joe; docked two points for her allowing Trump to ream Joe regarding the crime bill
The Hallucination Joe Kept Looking At: 10/10
 
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