Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

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Are u woke enough for this game?

  • Hell yeah, I want play it with my wife's son

    Votes: 170 9.4%

  • Nope, I need to suck more girlcock first

    Votes: 393 21.8%

  • Yasss, I identify as an autistic dwarf of color

    Votes: 377 20.9%

  • Nah, I rather play Fallout76

    Votes: 862 47.8%
  • Total voters
    1,803
Peaches the Wonder Cat said:
They didn't go anywhere because nobody has bought Bioware and nobody wants to. Microsoft bloated itself for years and now they are cutting back. Sony isn't going to buy it. Embracer is in terrible shape. 2K? What the hell kind of reporting is this? If EA could have sold Bioware before going private they would have.

Bioware has a toxic combination of "valuable IP" and a studio. Mass Effect which is quickly becoming a game your dad was playing when he was your age, and Dragon Age which while Veilguard was garbage did sell a lot of copies of Origins and Inquisition even if the former is ancient and the latter's reputation has faded with time. The remaining staff are truly talentless hacks because anyone else would have left by now, and the studio is fucking Edmonton and the only people moving to Canada right now are bottom of the barrel pajeets.

EA could sell the IP but everyone is holding onto their IP right now like the crown jewels even if they are never used in any game ever again (see Deus Ex, etc.) EA has one option.

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I remember when the Bioware name was big enough that EA was renaming multiple studios to include the Bioware name.

And now the brand dies with a whimper. Good riddance.
 
Dave. said:
Now let's get to the combat. It's gotten worse
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I too actually played this sloppa and it's just a terrible game, with terrible combat. Way worse than Andromeda or Inquisition. Less depth than a gooner gacha rpg. Whoever thought invulnerable companions in a party based game was a good idea should be shot. People get hung up on "So I'm enby" but, jaw droppingly shit as that was, it's actually worse in context. Taasha's mom comes to dinner with the Veilguard gang who are staying in Solas' lair which is in the Fade. Physically in the Fade. Remember how the whole premise of this series was the great sin of the magisters who physically entered the Fade? It was thought near impossible. In Inquisition the characters are thrown in briefly and it's a soul destroying nightmare. Taasha's mom has precisely nothing to say about being physically in the fade, it's just an awkward dinner scene and she's not a fan of the food. Cue the "it's not a phase mom!" tantrum scene. The contempt for the magic of the world the previous games tried to setup is palpable.

Fanbase on reddit, despite deploying initial grand defence because meanies on youtube were lolling over it, now regularly devolves into pages of heartbreak at the total shitshow of the game. Even nearly one year on. Most recently our guy Patty Weekes talked at some writer's con and engaged with the few remaining fans on its discord, specifically on the subject of slavery in the game. Slavery in Tevinter was a big discussion in the previous games and when Veilguard actually shows the place there is barely any to be seen. Many of the heartbroken fans blame all Failguard's faults on EA wanting the game to be live service, especially this lack of darkness and grit. but Weekes basically confirmed it was an intentional creative choice because "slavery bad" and there is one blink and you miss it NPC sitting on a slave in the background somewhere in one scene. The reddit thread was quickly taken down but still has 500 replies of people suddenly realizing he's a hack reddit thread archive

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Mola Ram said:
He will never, ever acknowledge it, and frankly he strikes me as too much of a true believer on the indoctrination to realize it. It was all EA's fault, it was all the chuds' fault, it was all the fault of the Mass Effect team.
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well, the reapers made indoctrination so good the people affected think they aren't indoctrinated....
 
Johan Hulth said:
I too actually played this sloppa and it's just a terrible game, with terrible combat. Way worse than Andromeda or Inquisition. Less depth than a gooner gacha rpg. Whoever thought invulnerable companions in a party based game was a good idea should be shot. People get hung up on "So I'm enby" but, jaw droppingly shit as that was, it's actually worse in context. Taasha's mom comes to dinner with the Veilguard gang who are staying in Solas' lair which is in the Fade. Physically in the Fade. Remember how the whole premise of this series was the great sin of the magisters who physically entered the Fade? It was thought near impossible. In Inquisition the characters are thrown in briefly and it's a soul destroying nightmare. Taasha's mom has precisely nothing to say about being physically in the fade, it's just an awkward dinner scene and she's not a fan of the food. Cue the "it's not a phase mom!" tantrum scene. The contempt for the magic of the world the previous games tried to setup is palpable.

Fanbase on reddit, despite deploying initial grand defence because meanies on youtube were lolling over it, now regularly devolves into pages of heartbreak at the total shitshow of the game. Even nearly one year on. Most recently our guy Patty Weekes talked at some writer's con and engaged with the few remaining fans on its discord, specifically on the subject of slavery in the game. Slavery in Tevinter was a big discussion in the previous games and when Veilguard actually shows the place there is barely any to be seen. Many of the heartbroken fans blame all Failguard's faults on EA wanting the game to be live service, especially this lack of darkness and grit. but Weekes basically confirmed it was an intentional creative choice because "slavery bad" and there is one blink and you miss it NPC sitting on a slave in the background somewhere in one scene. The reddit thread was quickly taken down but still has 500 replies of people suddenly realizing he's a hack reddit thread archive

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Wow, what actual braindead niggers Weekes & these sycophants are.

'yeah i'd have liked to see slaves BUT Dock Town wouldn't have slaves! It's a working class place!'

Why would a 'working class place' not have slaves when 1) the vast majority of slaves ARE invariably part of the working class by default (farmers, miners, etc. - sorry, not every slave can luxuriate inside massa's estate as a house nigger) and 2) slavery undercutting free laborers has long been a problem in basically every slave society in history, from Rome to the Antebellum South?

There being a huge surplus of slaves undercutting the value of smaller-scale Roman freeholders' labor & driving them to destitution (being outcompeted by huge slave plantations impoverished them to the point where their farms got bought out by said plantation owners, after which they had to fuck off & beg in the squalor of cities like Rome itself or become serfs bound to the same people who just bought their livelihood out) was a key factor in both the turmoil of the Late Republic and the collapse of the Late Empire. One of the modern Republican Party's precursors, the Free Soil Party, was founded specifically to ban slavery from the settlement of the American Frontier because they knew that economies of scale would inevitably favor slave-worked plantations over yeoman farmers who actually needed to pay their own bills & employees, and so on.

Fuck, even in Inquisition when the rot had already firmly set in at Bioware, they actually touched on this exact point and with one of the woke characters at that. The pooner in Iron Bull's employ, Krem, went into military service in the first place because her dad's business got ruined by a magister using slave labor. And Weeks himself wrote Krem! Guess he kinda forgot that around the same time he decided he was nonbinary.

'Yeah, we DO have the slavery -- it's in the Blood of Arlathan plot, with Venatori sitting on people posed like thrones.'

That's a single extreme, and comically exaggerated, case. Slavery in Tevinter was supposed to be a banal, deeply 'systemic' (to use the woke faggots' terminology for a second) evil of an institution - it's everywhere, everyone is used to it, even nominally 'good' Vints like Dorian don't really have a problem with it (at least not until Trespasser), and the Tevinter economy was supposedly so heavily built upon & around slavery that it would implode were the institution to be abolished as surely as Rome's or French-ruled Haiti's would have. The former is pretty much the exact opposite of depicting the latter.

'Yeah, "Slavery Bad" was a pretty simple message that didn't need a lot of space. (Like, a good message! Slavery is bad! But after you show it, continuing to hammer it in starts to feel superfluous.)'

Well if you felt this way, why the fuck would you set a significant chunk of Failguard in Tevinter in the first place??? Also I would bet a dollar that this blue-haired nigger would lead the charge to lynch any other developer who dared to set their game in the Antebellum South and then say what he just said. Truly Tumblr cozy/safe space culture has poisoned modern writing, almost as severely as Tumblr shipping culture has.
 
Johan Hulth said:
Weekes basically confirmed it was an intentional creative choice because "slavery bad" and there is one blink and you miss it NPC sitting on a slave in the background somewhere in one scene
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So you only need to show one slave to say "slavery bad" but you need a fucking rainbow brigade of genderspecials to say "trannies good"?
 
Weekes is... clearly unwell. He must be compensating for a huge degree of self-loathing to want to be something else entirely. Maybe he has a tiny penis that doesn't work or something.
 
Peaches the Wonder Cat said:
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"Excuse me but late stage capitalism is far more relevant to the real world than slavery and magic. :smug:"
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what is with these people and having to push modern politics into absolutely everything? why are the left so incapable of coming up with original thoughts?


btw does anyone know what tricky patty did on Origins and DA2? looking on the DA wiki he just gets credit for inquisition and failguard and google says he worked on both of them in a very small part and only really got a chance to write some bigger stuff in inquisition and of course he's responsible for the wokest parts of inquisition like crem and the bull's chargers. so did he ever have any talent? seems he was shit from the start.
 
LazyLizard said:
btw does anyone know what tricky patty did on Origins and DA2? looking on the DA wiki he just gets credit for inquisition and failguard and google says he worked on both of them in a very small part and only really got a chance to write some bigger stuff in inquisition and of course he's responsible for the wokest parts of inquisition like crem and the bull's chargers. so did he ever have any talent? seems he was shit from the start.
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According to multiple posters on the Reddit thread, Gaider (on his X account before he locked it down) said that Weekes had to turn in something like 8 versions of Solas until he found one acceptable, the rest were terrible. We all go through drafts but imagine begging to write Solas (which Weekes did according to Gaider) and then so misunderstanding the character that you can't even write the guy.
 
Peaches the Wonder Cat said:
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Our current and modern late stage capitalism is literally built on slavery. You can pick and choose the flavor (First world countries bending over immigrants and illegals, 3rd world children working in factories, most full time basic jobs qualifying for welfare, Senior politicans blatantly taking bribes and kickbacks, etc) but slavery never went away.

What an insanely ignorant (but Reddit) level take. Fucking Reddit (which reminder, content is stolen and moderators do it for free).
 
I've just played through Mark of the Assassin for the first time. Here is the review:

Tallis makes me want to KMS, and you can see how they had been completely overtaken by the Avengers style redditor humor which they insert in literally every part of the DLC.

Tallis' personality doesn't fit the Qunari at all, I could understand if it was a character she played as part of being an infiltrator, but even when she's been exposed she still acts like a fucking retard, something literally no other Qunari character does (until DAI) Even the Tal-vashoth guy is less of a fag.
I get that that is the point, the whole idea is clearly "muh stereotypes le bad" and shit (which is ironic because half the "humor" is just "erm fr*nch 'people' are dum amirite?")
For the actual plot, I never felt invested in anything that happened. The writers don't take it seriously so neither did I.

Gameplay wise it's not much better. Some of the encounters aren't bad and can be a good challenge (Sky Horror), but then there are annoying fights like the wyverns and the final battle. The wyvern is one of those fights where you need to micro all your characters and have them kiting around constantly because its damage is so high that tanking is virtually impossible. Fucker also has a fast dash attack that can snipe your backrow instantly with bad luck.
The last battle is similar, you are dealing with constant AOE attacks and arena hazards, like the Varterral and High Dragon, as well as waves of adds, so you have to keep switching characters and moving around which in turn nukes your DPS and draws the fight out. That said, it's not nearly as fucking annoying as Corypheus is.
I'll probably try again with Tallis built for single target burst damage, that will probably make the fight easier.

As a party member Tallis is interesting but can also be a bit annoying to use. She has a ranged auto-attack which makes her act like a cross between a ranged party member and dual-wield rogue. This can be good so you can sort of avoid melee friendly fire, though it does mean she is often in a poor position to use her abilities and exploit CCCs and has to run up to the target doing 0 damage.

The stealth section is weird but whatever and the puzzles are, as usual, trivial and underdeveloped.
 
I doubt they even play the games. Probably tourists that instead watch the romance cutscenes on YouTube to flick their beans, draw ugly fanarts of themselves as glowing Dalish princesses, and develop parasocial relationships with the devs.
 
Chuckwagon said:
Slavery in Tevinter was supposed to be a banal, deeply 'systemic' (to use the woke faggots' terminology for a second) evil of an institution - it's everywhere, everyone is used to it, even nominally 'good' Vints like Dorian don't really have a problem with it (at least not until Trespasser), and the Tevinter economy was supposedly so heavily built upon & around slavery that it would implode were the institution to be abolished as surely as Rome's or French-ruled Haiti's would have. The former is pretty much the exact opposite of depicting the latter.
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Your post was too long to quote, so I'll let this excerpt stand for the whole thing.

When someone asks "Well what is 'woke,' anyway?" it can be hard to point to a specific, hard and fast rule. It's very much "I know it when I see it." For me, "woke" is when progressive politics so thoroughly corrupts an artistic endeavor that any honest portrayal of what it's hoping to depict is compromised in favor of the agenda, to the point the story, characters, and themes become incoherent, implausible, or simply unmistakable for anything but agitprop. Weekes's sickly defense of the artistic choices made in Veilguard are just about the most striking example of how far this can go. Veilguard is so compromised by its creators' need to make oblations at the right altars that it is no longer capable of honestly portraying the things that inspired Dragon Age in the first place. A slave economy should be uncomfortable, especially when we find ourselves sympathetic to it, as even Inquisition managed when Dorian described the opportunities that some slaves had compared to the poor in the south. If slavery were a pure, unmitigated, mustache twirling evil, otherwise moral peoples would never embrace it.

When Dragon Age became incapable of posing those moral conundrums, it ceased to be a story worth taking seriously. Maybe decent gameplay could have saved it, but apparently they fucked the dog on that, too. A shame.
 
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