Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[The handsome tard]

Veilguard was way too safe in its content. Like look at the first two games. There's a kill bill style bride origin with rape and revenge, everything at ostagar including the joining and the consequences for not doing it, Leliana and her origin story, the dwarf succession plotline, etc.

This is why Dark Fantasy is one of the genres that suffers the most today because its difficult to really go at it without going into "naughty" territory according to the modern cult of the left.

So the end product is something safe and not even regular fantasy, just power fantasy at most and not even the good kind like Doom

 

[Haftag]

What are these execs smoking?

Same thing they did before the Skyrimification of Inquisishit (although it wasn't just Skyrim), or enforcing Frostshite.

Also why are you all discussing only the story, as if the series has had constistingy good gameplay, specifically the RPG elements? Because it sure as hell hasn't.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

The constant ring around the rosie many of the proponents and the company have about the failure of the game itself is funny
"Its because of le chuds"
"its because it wasnt a live service slopfest"
"it was actually really strong at the start, please dont notice all the restructuring and brain(less) drain after release!"

Nobody will learn anything and the elephant in the room was noticed even by people like skill up

 

[Ishtar]

Same thing they did before the Skyrimification of Inquisishit (although it wasn't just Skyrim), or enforcing Frostshite.

Also why are you all discussing only the story, as if the series has had constistingy good gameplay, specifically the RPG elements? Because it sure as hell hasn't.

The gameplay has been inconsistent every single game. There are other things to mention yes.

Origins plays nothing like DA2 and Inquisition’s combat mechanics are near the opposite of DAV’s.

I didn’t just everything.

 

[TheHarbinger]

What are these execs smoking?

A lot of gaming executives in the 90s and 2000s were hardcore into gaming. The guys at the heads of many offices were top ranked players in stuff like UT or Quake, Age of Empires, Starcraft. Or they had a background in playing a lot of tabletop RPGs or board games that could translate to making PC games. Or the executive producers at Japanese companies were known to frequent arcades and be extremely skilled in various fighting games. Some of the older members of Capcom and SEGA's fighting game teams were some of the best players alive at playing various fighting games. Bioware was one of those companies.

Look at Bioware's early history. They have teams of guys seasoned in tabletop RPGs and they are working with people like Brian Fargo and Chris Avellone and their engines are the basis for stuff like Planescape Torment. They are surrounded by the best talent. Then a private equity company, owned by the band U2, makes a deal with EA to purchase Bioware so that EA can absorb them. These EA executives have never played video games in their lives. They just want to take Bioware and streamline them and introduce stuff like day one DLC or on-disc DLC and so on. Now half of Bioware's profits are going into a private equity group to make members of U2 wealthier.

EA then slowly drives Bioware into the ground. To the point where the original company's leadership has all been replaced with people chosen by a private equity firm. I would doubt that anyone from the executive levels at EA or Elevation Partners ever played any video games in their lives. They basically turned Bioware into a money laundering or embezzlement operation for a group of private equity criminals.

 

[The handsome tard]

The constant ring around the rosie many of the proponents and the company have about the failure of the game itself is funny
"Its because of le chuds"
"its because it wasnt a live service slopfest"
"it was actually really strong at the start, please dont notice all the restructuring and brain(less) drain after release!"

Nobody will learn anything and the elephant in the room was noticed even by people like skill up

the ability of people to rationalize the blame away from themselves with a straight face is quite amazing to see

A lot of gaming executives in the 90s and 2000s were hardcore into gaming. The guys at the heads of many offices were top ranked players in stuff like UT or Quake, Age of Empires, Starcraft. Or they had a background in playing a lot of tabletop RPGs or board games that could translate to making PC games. Or the executive producers at Japanese companies were known to frequent arcades and be extremely skilled in various fighting games. Some of the older members of Capcom and SEGA's fighting game teams were some of the best players alive at playing various fighting games. Bioware was one of those companies.

Look at Bioware's early history. They have teams of guys seasoned in tabletop RPGs and they are working with people like Brian Fargo and Chris Avellone and their engines are the basis for stuff like Planescape Torment. They are surrounded by the best talent. Then a private equity company, owned by the band U2, makes a deal with EA to purchase Bioware so that EA can absorb them. These EA executives have never played video games in their lives. They just want to take Bioware and streamline them and introduce stuff like day one DLC or on-disc DLC and so on. Now half of Bioware's profits are going into a private equity group to make members of U2 wealthier.

EA then slowly drives Bioware into the ground. To the point where the original company's leadership has all been replaced with people chosen by a private equity firm. I would doubt that anyone from the executive levels at EA or Elevation Partners ever played any video games in their lives. They basically turned Bioware into a money laundering or embezzlement operation for a group of private equity criminals.

I hate how it all comes down to money laundering and how it all makes sense.

 

[X Prime]

A lot of gaming executives in the 90s and 2000s were hardcore into gaming. The guys at the heads of many offices were top ranked players in stuff like UT or Quake, Age of Empires, Starcraft. Or they had a background in playing a lot of tabletop RPGs or board games that could translate to making PC games. Or the executive producers at Japanese companies were known to frequent arcades and be extremely skilled in various fighting games. Some of the older members of Capcom and SEGA's fighting game teams were some of the best players alive at playing various fighting games. Bioware was one of those companies.

Look at Bioware's early history. They have teams of guys seasoned in tabletop RPGs and they are working with people like Brian Fargo and Chris Avellone and their engines are the basis for stuff like Planescape Torment. They are surrounded by the best talent. Then a private equity company, owned by the band U2, makes a deal with EA to purchase Bioware so that EA can absorb them. These EA executives have never played video games in their lives. They just want to take Bioware and streamline them and introduce stuff like day one DLC or on-disc DLC and so on. Now half of Bioware's profits are going into a private equity group to make members of U2 wealthier.

EA then slowly drives Bioware into the ground. To the point where the original company's leadership has all been replaced with people chosen by a private equity firm. I would doubt that anyone from the executive levels at EA or Elevation Partners ever played any video games in their lives. They basically turned Bioware into a money laundering or embezzlement operation for a group of private equity criminals.

I had to look up the U2 thing and it's actually fucking true. I couldn't believe it.

We can literally blame Bono (and apparently an Apple exec) for ruining Bioware.

 

[Ishtar]

This is why Dark Fantasy is one of the genres that suffers the most today because its difficult to really go at it without going into "naughty" territory according to the modern cult of the left.

So the end product is something safe and not even regular fantasy, just power fantasy at most and not even the good kind like Doom

I think you also get conflicting audiences here. Like the tumblr fandom wants something that’s Woke but also like attacks “systems of oppression” or whatever.

(There is still a massive Anders fandom to this day). And you have male players that want sex, gore and badass guys with swords carving through hordes before having sex again.

Sort of similar to 40K-where there’s an inherent tension between “the imperium is bad and rotten” vs “bolter go rawr”

You have to somehow thread the needle here-satisfying people that want sex and violence and people that want some sort of social commentary or portrayal of an ugly political order.

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

The top management crew will say anything, no matter how illogical, to save their own hides from the wrath of the shareholders.

No point taking them seriously, as I doubt that even they believe what they are saying.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A lot of gaming executives in the 90s and 2000s were hardcore into gaming. The guys at the heads of many offices were top ranked players in stuff like UT or Quake, Age of Empires, Starcraft. Or they had a background in playing a lot of tabletop RPGs or board games that could translate to making PC games. Or the executive producers at Japanese companies were known to frequent arcades and be extremely skilled in various fighting games. Some of the older members of Capcom and SEGA's fighting game teams were some of the best players alive at playing various fighting games. Bioware was one of those companies.

Look at Bioware's early history. They have teams of guys seasoned in tabletop RPGs and they are working with people like Brian Fargo and Chris Avellone and their engines are the basis for stuff like Planescape Torment. They are surrounded by the best talent. Then a private equity company, owned by the band U2, makes a deal with EA to purchase Bioware so that EA can absorb them. These EA executives have never played video games in their lives. They just want to take Bioware and streamline them and introduce stuff like day one DLC or on-disc DLC and so on. Now half of Bioware's profits are going into a private equity group to make members of U2 wealthier.

EA then slowly drives Bioware into the ground. To the point where the original company's leadership has all been replaced with people chosen by a private equity firm. I would doubt that anyone from the executive levels at EA or Elevation Partners ever played any video games in their lives. They basically turned Bioware into a money laundering or embezzlement operation for a group of private equity criminals.

Sounds like every fall from grace story ever when it comes to companies.

The people who start them actually know their shit, which is why the company is profitable. Then people with money see this profit and decide to buy them and milk it for quick cash based on existing legacy, then trash the company into oblivion when it inevitably is sucked dry.

 

[Ishtar]

Capitalism and art are inherently opposed.

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

Capitalism and art are inherently opposed.

You are right in a way.

The moment you put your creative products out in the market to make a living out of it, you have crossed the line from making art for yourself to making products that will interest your target audience. If you put out something that doesn't have mass appeal, then it won't sell and you will have to put out something that does - even if it's not your "thing" - to make money.

That's why in the old days, artists have patrons - sugar daddies/mommies that will give them what they need to live and more so that they can do art in peace, without worrying too much about how to pay the bills. Other artists have no qualms starving for their art.

This is something that has to be thought over by people that want to write, make movies, do music, and create other forms of creative works to sell for a living. For example, if you are an author, and your fiction doesn't sell, but erotic romances featuring vampire were-dragons with 13-inch cocks do, are you going to pinch your nose and write those stories, so that you can pay your bills?

That is capitalism in a nutshell. Creative people that don't want to "sell out" best hold a day job to pay the bills, so that they can pursue the purity of their art without having to make any compromises.

 

[Mrs. Sai Moon]

It wasn't 5 guys burgers and fries. It wasn't anita scameesian. It was a britoid musician that tanked gayming.

 

[It's Over Anakin]

It was a britoid musician that tanked gayming.

>irish singer
>"britoid"

 

[why42]

Not sure If it's been mentioned but EA basically just killed bioware

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wccftech.com/bioware-now-has-less-than-100-developers-as-ea-permanently-shifts-people-to-other-studios/amp/

They have less than 100 people now. I think it's not going to be long before they actually close the studio down.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

here is still a massive Anders fandom to this day)

Anders is objectively correct, Templar supporters should all hang. Yes I will be using blood magic, yes I will be summoning demons, no you don't get to object, and yes I will be sacrificing you to enter the fade.

 

[Ishtar]

I think it’s because Anders is bisexual and because of the drama-women love that.

 

[Haftag]

Bono

Does he have a thread? From a simple read in Wikipedoia, he seems to have a finger in as many "humanitarian" frauds as he possibly can.

 

[The handsome tard]

I think you also get conflicting audiences here. Like the tumblr fandom wants something that’s Woke but also like attacks “systems of oppression” or whatever.

(There is still a massive Anders fandom to this day). And you have male players that want sex, gore and badass guys with swords carving through hordes before having sex again.

Sort of similar to 40K-where there’s an inherent tension between “the imperium is bad and rotten” vs “bolter go rawr”

You have to somehow thread the needle here-satisfying people that want sex and violence and people that want some sort of social commentary or portrayal of an ugly political order.

The woke want edgy but only safe edgy. Sexual violence towards women is wrong no matter what and yet you see these people praising that stuff in Game of Thrones. And dont you dare have racism, both real and fantasy, because thats too "real" or the writer "isnt in the position to talk about these issues". They want swear words but GOD FORBID if even the villain calls one of the gay characters a faggot, stop the fucking presses. Just look at the Castlevania Netflix show, that show is safe edgy as far as the eyes can see and dont get me started on its negative portrayal of Christianity but its neutral/positive portrayal of other religions (real subtle there, guys) and of course "Wu waz kangz and shiet" in its most recent season with ancient egypt having niggers.

Lets just accept that leftists dont really know what they want, hell, they dont even know what gender they are anymore so excuse me for not thinking their opinions are worth much. And the election did show they arent as numerous as they want you to think they are. They are the trigger warning generation that wants violence but not too much of it. Asshole, there is no "lite" Dark Fantasy, you either are it or you arent.

it was far easier to write this shit back in the day before social media wasnt a thing because you are writing for fans of the genre who know what to expect and know what they want.

 

[Rick The Stick]

It still really bugs me that we don't just play as Hawk in Inquisition. I get not bringing the Warden back, but making Hawk a side character in a game that is basically all about and because of him was such a retarded idea.