Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

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Are u woke enough for this game?

  • Hell yeah, I want play it with my wife's son

    Votes: 170 9.4%

  • Nope, I need to suck more girlcock first

    Votes: 393 21.8%

  • Yasss, I identify as an autistic dwarf of color

    Votes: 377 20.9%

  • Nah, I rather play Fallout76

    Votes: 862 47.8%
  • Total voters
    1,803
DA2 main fault was that it was rushed too shit.
18 months. That is not enough time to even finished a draft:
 
Weltraumfürst said:
Well, arguably, what they've done with 10 years seems a lot worse.
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That's the real danger for BioWare. If Veilguard really shits the bed, there will be absolutely no excuse. No amount of time would have salvaged it; they could have worked on it for 50 years and it still would have been terrible, because they've lost their stuff.

I'd argue that if the game had come out by 2020 it might have escaped the woke garbage that will be a significant contributor to its potential failure (though not the only one). 2020 is when this stuff exploded, though it had been incubating for a long time -- remember, Corinne Busche only got named project lead in 2022. Six years was plenty of time to knock together a good Dragon Age sequel.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I might be remembering it wrong, but Isabella seems like a good subversion of that archetype before it became common and exaggerated. Like at the first playthrough you'd think she was wrongly accused and you have to help her since she's a party member only to find out that no, she is 100% at fault and deserves to die for the danage she's caused.
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But then where's the moral if you're just forced by the game to go and help rescue her from the consequences of her criminality regardless? Subversion isn't a goal in and of itself but modern writers seem to think it's the pinnacle of their craft.

If you could suspect her and do something about it beforehand, or make a meaningful choice when it was revealed - there's value there. But there's neither, right?
 
Isabela's romance feels very underbaked to start with. You can have sex with her early, and then just don't initiate any others and then its confirmed by the third act.

I tend to see her as basically Jack Sparrow with tits, selfish and greedy but the stereotypical rogue with a heart of gold.

Overly Serious said:
But then where's the moral if you're just forced by the game to go and help rescue her from the consequences of her criminality regardless? Subversion isn't a goal in and of itself but modern writers seem to think it's the pinnacle of their craft.

If you could suspect her and do something about it beforehand, or make a meaningful choice when it was revealed - there's value there. But there's neither, right?
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The most revealing point of that is you can hand her over to the Qunari, but then you learn she escaped anyway. The game won't let her actually suffer the consequences of her actions.

Is she the worst character ever? No, but it reveals a lot about the way liberal values inform writing female characters-they must never suffer real consequences, the male hero is always coded as right when they save her from her mistakes, and if she does end up suffering, you're either supposed to sympathize or the lesson doesn't "take".

Its especially notable with Isabela where you can literally duel the Arishok for Isabela's freedom. If you're a male character, the message this sends is women must never suffer consequences-you have to always protect them from facing the music. To be entirely fair-her fate under the Qun would not be one I'd wish anyone to have(she'd probably be mindbroken with their brainwashing drugs), but the liberal feminist message is very obvious.

"Even when women are indisputably selfish and in the wrong-men must always take it on themselves to save them from what they deserve, even at the risk of their own lives".
 
whatever I feel like said:
Wow, 40 pages in just over a month. You all must be super excited for Dreadwolf. :)
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I mean, I just want to see if it’s another AAA trash fire, and if it’s what finally get’s Nu-Ware Ol’ Yeller’d.

…though with all the AAA Bombs we’ve been seeing, this industry needs a crash, if only to chase some of these people off.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I remember liking Avelin also. The companions in 2 were pretty memorable, definitely better than Inquisition.
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I disagree. Inquisition had a surprisingly good cast, minus the elven hobgoblin.

Cassandra has a lot of depth with her thoughts on the church and you wouldn't expect a rather sweet romance with that tough looking broad.
Cole is a mercy-killing spirit weirdo that can either become a real boy or even more of a creep.
Vivienne throws a curveball in the mage-templar debate by being the first major character being pro-circle.
Blackwall has a great twist that is well foreshadowed.
Dorian might be a fag and his quest annoyed me, but he also gave insight into tevinter and was charming.
Iron Bull retconned the Qu'nari to troon enablers, but otherwise he was fine. He even betrays you if you let him stay loyal to the Qun.

Solas was the best setup for a villain that I have ever seen in a game and it fucking kills me that they are ruining that fantastic opportunity because focusing on troon issues of chosen family and dumbing it down because they are fucking fossils that are stuck in the 15 years old mentality that RPGs are unpopular and the kids want action.
 
Overly Serious said:
But then where's the moral if you're just forced by the game to go and help rescue her from the consequences of her criminality regardless? Subversion isn't a goal in and of itself but modern writers seem to think it's the pinnacle of their craft.

If you could suspect her and do something about it beforehand, or make a meaningful choice when it was revealed - there's value there. But there's neither, right?
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And then even if you hand her to the qunari she just escapes offscreen because fuck you. Someone at BW must be really attached to the character because when you fuck over other characters like Anders and Fenris it tends to stick from what I recall.
 
Yeah, her getting away pissed me off. Never recruited her after that. Bitch will sit at the bar through the whole first act without a word from me. She's been in some of the novels and/or comics, and she's in Inquisition's multiplayer game for whatever reason. Bioware loves the slutty pirate whore.
Meanwhile, goddess Aveline is kicking the shit out of Sebastian Vael and holding down Kirkwall, but heaven forbid we see any of that.
 
lukewarm coffee said:
Yeah, her getting away pissed me off. Never recruited her after that. Bitch will sit at the bar through the whole first act without a word from me. She's been in some of the novels and/or comics, and she's in Inquisition's multiplayer game for whatever reason. Bioware loves the slutty pirate whore.
Meanwhile, goddess Aveline is kicking the shit out of Sebastian Vael and holding down Kirkwall, but heaven forbid we see any of that.
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Wonder how she's dealing with Meredith's 'resurrection'. "You had one job, Hawke!"
 
How is this even an RPG? You can't control your party members and all you have is 3-4 abilities that you select from a Mass Effect style power wheel that have cool downs.

By that standard hero shooters are RPGs.
 
Haven’t touched dragon age since origins and looking through this thread I’m glad that I didn’t
 
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