Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

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Are u woke enough for this game?

  • Hell yeah, I want play it with my wife's son

    Votes: 170 9.4%

  • Nope, I need to suck more girlcock first

    Votes: 393 21.8%

  • Yasss, I identify as an autistic dwarf of color

    Votes: 377 20.9%

  • Nah, I rather play Fallout76

    Votes: 862 47.8%
  • Total voters
    1,803
Ishtar said:
Josephine comes off as...the most in line with actual European romances and such? Delicate yet educated noblewoman, (not a warrior or a spy master), you can have something of a courtly romance with her, even fight her betrothed in an honor duel.

I sort of read "Spanish/south European genteel noble lady"-she's even managing a household, writing letters, soothing easily offended frenchmen, etc...

IDK she actually feels the most "authentic" to me, whereas DA tends to be mostly pseudo medieval with a lot of modern tropes and conventions pasted onto only a vaguely medieval setting.
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i'm fine with her as a character.

what doesn't sit right with me is:
even though it seems like she's the exagerrated (a duel for the maiden's hand, really) & sappy romance choice for a dude who's into that thing.. why is she open to doing the same with a girl. she knows her parents are aight (mom & dad, not dyke + dyke or whatever.) if there's any stress in her life, it would be managing so much stuff for her fam and for the inquisition. not dealing with getting abused as a young kid or something.

^the only answer my fallible mind can come up with is that homofaggotry is so "normal" in Thedas that she rolls with it "just because."
 
There's a codex entry somewhere called "sexuality in Thedas" where its literally "homosexuality is basically accepted, or at worst is seen as selfish and weird". Partly that' Bioware's liberalism, and partly that's a way to justify most romance options being bisexual.

DA has a lot of modern tropes and attitudes transposed onto a medieval setting-its one of the least likable things about it. That, the gender egalitarianism(sort of justified with the centrality of Andraste but in RL female goddesses and cultic figures didn't mean non patriarchal societies), bizarrely modern institutions and cultural norms, etc...

Its best to consider DA a pseudo medieval setting-even common soldiers are literate, doubt and disbelief in the official religion is common(or at least tolerated), sexual and family norms are basically like the modern west, etc...

Part of that is video game pansexuality, the tumblr fanbase, but also just its easier to write a fantasy game where people tend to think and behave in ways a modern audience can relate too.
 
I mean to be fair it isn’t actually medieval Europe and magic verifiably exists. But things like gender relations have a material basis in how society is structured-that isn’t just “patriarchy good” or “patriarchy bad”.

Like throughout the dragon age games we see female warriors-this did happen historically but was always notable for being outside the norm. Issues of physical strength are ignored, as are things like-you need women to be able to continue your society.

The fact that in Thedas a woman is treated as divine/a prophet/a political ideal wouldn’t change the material factors both biologically and socially that cause real life gender divides. I mean even in Origins-you see female soldiers and then you learn about broodmothers. I’m sorry what? Any halfway realistic society in which that was a real threat(corrupted monsters stealing women and using them to mass produce more of their own in horrific rituals) would move heaven and earth to keep women off the front lines. But gender equality!

But BioWare being a liberal company with liberal priors just imagines you can have gender equality as we imagine it in the 21st century, in a feudal/mostly agricultural society.

Though to be fair it’s very rare a video game especially a fantasy one is going to be sociologically accurate about what a medieval or even pseudo medieval society would look like.

It’s ultimately a small thing and I don’t mind characters like Cassandra or Aveline, but DA is what I’d called an anti realistic idea of the medieval ages.
 
Ishtar said:
There's a codex entry somewhere called "sexuality in Thedas" where its literally "homosexuality is basically accepted, or at worst is seen as selfish and weird". Partly that' Bioware's liberalism, and partly that's a way to justify most romance options being bisexual.

DA has a lot of modern tropes and attitudes transposed onto a medieval setting-its one of the least likable things about it. That, the gender egalitarianism(sort of justified with the centrality of Andraste but in RL female goddesses and cultic figures didn't mean non patriarchal societies), bizarrely modern institutions and cultural norms, etc...

Its best to consider DA a pseudo medieval setting-even common soldiers are literate, doubt and disbelief in the official religion is common(or at least tolerated), sexual and family norms are basically like the modern west, etc...

Part of that is video game pansexuality, the tumblr fanbase, but also just its easier to write a fantasy game where people tend to think and behave in ways a modern audience can relate too.
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ayo. it's a good thing i beat my head with playthroughs of inquisition. i remember this codex entry from inquisition (this was a time in my life when it didn't matter the contents or game, i read everythAng in games back then). it had a line (paraphrased) like "homofaggotry isn't a big deal in Orlais, because people treat it as the nobility simply being peculiar/ eccentric." and the only serious codex entry i remember about homos is that (paraphrased again) "some noblewoman was aight that her husband had a boyfriend or somethin." eww.
 
Yeah the tumblr fan crowd(the most enthusiastic DA fans) will cry and scream if it were even half realistic. (The writers tend to be cut from the same cloth).

I can sort of accept sodomy being normal on the down low in Tevinter-at least with slaves, given the whole evil decadent rome vibe, and Orlais is meant to be decadent-but even amongst the nobility that might know of it, that you know believes in their own religion-it should be seen as scandalous and shameful. A credible allegation should ruin your reputation in a society as riven by noble infighting, intrigue and scandal baiting as Orlais.

Notably the whole Dorian “my dad tried conversion therapy” background wasn’t because his father had a problem with homosexuality but because it got in the way of House Pavus’ dynastic/eugenic ambitions, and Dorian refused to “keep it on the down low and marry the girl”

(Which makes Dorian come off as selfish as much as a faggot-dude you are a magister’s son, a trained mage in an empire run by mages in a respected family, people literally joke about how privileged you are-shut the fuck up and marry the girl). Was my reaction anyway.
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
I'd say its in part because the kind of RPG that BG3 is - actually being a proper CRPG rather than "we bolted on a perk tree, so RPG!" - is enough of a rarity these days, and it being as successful as it is doubly so. For all the faults one can have with the game, Larian put in work on it.

Add in that this series started its life as a spiritual successor to Baldurs Gate, the comparisons write themselves.

Considering that Rocksteady is getting downsized because of that abomination, we can only hope the same happens here. Seriously, what's with what seems like every other AAA Title bombing harder than Hiroshima, did the budgets just get too high to realistically make back what's spent on these things nowadays?
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When I played BG3 I was surprised how uninnovative it is. It is similar to Origins but smaller and much more linear. There are holes in the narrative and the story goes weird in act 3.

RPG aspect is good, but still not as strong as old school RPGs like Arcanum. It's popular because alot of effort went in to it and is well presented with good characters and gameplay. If it came out 20 years ago it wouldn't have been held up so highly.
 
Ishtar said:
Unpopular opinion, but apart from the winter palace Nutcracker uniform(it genuinely looks like that old play) I like the clothes you wear at Skyhold? It looks form fitting and yet also not out of place?

Also why would a judge make decisions in armor? (Though having some sort of special judicial vestment or something for judgement cut scenes would have been nice!.
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This was actually patched at some point (or maybe it's part of the Trespasser DLC; I've never played the game without it); now you have a variety of options for what kind of clothes to wear around Skyhold. There's even a black version of your Winter Palace outfit that works very nicely as judicial robes.

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kokokrunch123 said:
did u play Divinity: Original Sin 1 and 2?

i played them^ to death. and fellow DOS people say this: "bg3 is simply divinity: original sin 3, but with dice rolls."
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Or more precisely, BG3 is exactly the type of product you get from Larian. It'd have a servicable story, pretty good presentation, very engaging first and second act, followed by a terrible, usually fixed by DLC, third act. All woven together by stellar turnbased combat.
 
Peaches the Wonder Cat said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4F3N4Lxw4_Y
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The companions look insufferable and I want to punch all of them.

Edit: this is getting shit on in the comments
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I thought I was prepared for how dogshit this game was going to be. I've been following BioWare's travails, I'm intimately aware of all of DAI's flaws and what a fuckup DA2 was, I've watched the insufferable wokeness slowly devour a once great company. I thought I was prepared for anything.

I was not prepared.
 
Da fuq is this? Dragon age was a dark, gritty, evil, adult fantasty world. This looks worse than I thought, not because it looks bad, but because it's missed the tonality mark by a country fucking mile.

If they make DA:V a diablo clone chock full of MTX, my sides will fly into orbit.
 
That looked so gay, even before you factor in the Bioware faggotry. Just the forced one of every race and gender party, the lack of feeling serious the way Dragon Age had been even with a bad game like DAI, it's like they're going to one-up ME:Andromeda in the "you developers don't know your own series."

What's the chance Morrigan or Leliana show up fatter and with a Lesley Headland style jaw now, just as a final fuck you to the audience?
 
Bog-standard Poster said:
Da fuq is this? Dragon age was a dark, gritty, evil, adult fantasty world. This looks worse than I thought, not because it looks bad, but because it's missed the tonality mark by a country fucking mile.
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Unfortunately, this is where mainstream fantasy RPGs are these days. Just look at what the official D&D twitter account posted for Pride month:

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Captioned: "D&D Is For Everyone!"

Unstated but understood is, "but especially for cringey faggots!"
 
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