Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[Ishtar]

The really funny part is that these developers still don't get it.

I wonder how many more studio closures and layoffs it's going to take before they, collectively, wise up and realize the chuds are the audience, that they want to play as the White, heterosexual male paladin that gets to genocide the orcs and bangs the snarky, big titty goth GF and ride off into the sunset?

Then again, they probably know all this - we've seen plenty of statistical evidence collected by the devs themselves attesting to this fact - yet they are all such fanatical Marxists they can't physically force themselves to make such a game, and will viciously lash out at any of their fellow oven-dodgers that suggest doing the sane thing.

Appeals to emotion and pleading for mercy are done from a position of weakness, and are utterly ineffective when aimed at an audience that has largely grown apathetic towards their product and knows the only entertainment they can eke out of it is watching the devs fail.

Apathy is the precursor to spite, if they're not going to make fun games for me, they can entertain me with their suffering. At the end of the day I can refuse to buy harder than they can try to shame me.

The problem with this, is this isn’t necessarily the story they want to tell though. You see this multiple times with Dragon Age-they want to write about female mage elf lesbians.

And to be honest I get it-the stock story you’re describing has been done ten thousand times, and sooner or later you want to write other things.

That being the case-BioWare should be willing to admit this “we the writers and devs want quirky lesbians, the bulk of the audience wants a standard male power fantasy-if we aren’t going to give the audience what they want, we’ll just accept being out of work”.

That would at least be an honest admission that there is an unbridgeable gap between what the audience wants and what they want.

If you don’t want the chuds as an audience then you should stick to writing novels or Tumblr one shots.

 

[Brap God]

The Fade is not the same as the warp-though its similar. The Fade is more tangible and responds less to emotional excess than dreams and concepts. For example-when in the Fade, the black city is always visible-the warp has no such stable landmark.

When I made that comment I was moreso thinking about how demons in the Fade are essentially raw emotions given form, but yeah I was just talking shit with the comparison.

That being the case-BioWare should be willing to admit this “we the writers and devs want quirky lesbians, the bulk of the audience wants a standard male power fantasy-if we aren’t going to give the audience what they want, we’ll just accept being out of work”.

They can't even write a half decent story when they get to play around with their retarded lesbians, so it's just a lose-lose for everyone involved.

 

[That Guy Who Likes The Chili]

One YT commenter said that they would fire employees who insulted their customers like the Trannyguard devs did. And as a matter of point, at companies I've worked at, we've been given strict instructions to not insult and antagonize the customers. When our profile on social media reads "Works for XYZ MegaCorp" and most of our posts are on XYZ MegaCorp's upcoming product, and we say "DIE CISHET SCUM" that is taken by most sensible people as a public statement made by a corporate representative.

This has been the norm now, for at least a decade. Ever since Facebook became not the place for college kids and myspace refugees but for parents and corporations. Every job I've ever had including my current one makes it clear that if you have that you work at <Insert Company Name> anywhere in your profile, you are acting as a public face of the company and your social media behavior reflects on them. Therefore you can't post negatively about the company or get into internet slap fights with randoms because it makes them look bad and they will fire you.

Somehow the video game industry is the ONLY industry that is not only exempt from this practice, but seemingly encourages and rewards it with upward mobility. If your shitty social media behavior causes a game to lose sales or completely bomb, you'll just be rewarded by being hired as the lead developer at another prestigious company after the fact instead of black listed.

 

[Ishtar]

I don't know enough to comment in detail, but if that's the case there must be something deeply distinct about how the VG industry works. Maybe its a smaller world and people know each other, so there's more solidarity-"so and so insulted the chuds on twitter, the studio failed but hey good ally also we know each other anyway.

You are right though-no other industry is this insulated from consumer backlash, and lets public representatives get away with directly antagonizing the customers to the extent the western video game industry does.

 

[Peaches the Wonder Cat]

I don't know enough to comment in detail, but if that's the case there must be something deeply distinct about how the VG industry works. Maybe its a smaller world and people know each other, so there's more solidarity-"so and so insulted the chuds on twitter, the studio failed but hey good ally also we know each other anyway.

You are right though-no other industry is this insulated from consumer backlash, and lets public representatives get away with directly antagonizing the customers to the extent the western video game industry does.

It's always been like this to some extent, with "John Romero's Gonna Make You His Bitch" with Daikatana. But there's a difference between obvious trash talking to get gamers riled up to say "fuck, I can take on that game." The political "you will suck the girl cock" is part of the left's takeover of technology through DEI initiatives, which force you to hire "diverse" (see Andrew "Corinne" Busche), and encourage employees to become "diverse" (see Patrick Weekes who up until recently was just a boring straight cis white guy who did some good writing.)

 

[moocow]

I wonder how many more studio closures and layoffs it's going to take before they, collectively, wise up and realize the chuds are the audience, that they want to play as the White, heterosexual male paladin that gets to genocide the orcs and bangs the snarky, big titty goth GF and ride off into the sunset?

Then again, they probably know all this - we've seen plenty of statistical evidence collected by the devs themselves attesting to this fact - yet they are all such fanatical Marxists they can't physically force themselves to make such a game, and will viciously lash out at any of their fellow oven-dodgers that suggest doing the sane thing.

It'll take another decade or so for these infiltrators to naturally "filter back out" of the industry. It essentially takes an entire generation to be rid of this shit, because as Yuri Bezmenov pointed out, the demoralization of a generation is a one-way trip and irreparable. It has to be replaced instead.

 

[p1138]

It'll take another decade or so for these infiltrators to naturally "filter back out" of the industry. It essentially takes an entire generation to be rid of this shit, because as Yuri Bezmenov pointed out, the demoralization of a generation is a one-way trip and irreparable. It has to be replaced instead.

Decade? Sounds very optimistic. If we assume these idiots are in their 20s-30s, people from this same group of morons are going to end up in leadership positions into their 50s. Without an industry crash, this is doing to take another 2-3 decades to eradicate.

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

This shit deserves to go into community feature submissions!

Please, no. Every time a thread gets featured, you have all these edgy tourists coming in to clog up the thread with how they don't care, but they will still make awfully wrong remarks or say things that had been said a million times like they are some deep insight, shudder.

 

[moocow]

Decade? Sounds very optimistic. If we assume these idiots are in their 20s-30s, people from this same group of morons are going to end up in leadership positions into their 50s. Without an industry crash, this is doing to take another 2-3 decades to eradicate.

It's about halfway through a cycle already. If you notice, it's mostly one generation doing most of the damage (with the preceding generation aging out already and just giving their half-assed "thumbs up" to it since they're almost out anyway).

They're already infiltrating the leadership positions and everywhere they "lead" they destroy. Sure, for now, they can jump ship to destroy another company, but they're running out of carcasses to plunder. The up-and-comers who will (in a decade or so) start creating their own studios are as sick of this shit as we are.

 

[Ishtar]

At the same time in a decade or so-surely the gamergate generation will have largely "aged out" of playing video games?

I think that's partly why corporations go along with the woke stuff-the assumption is that the "nerdy White male gamer" is aging out of the market as it were-and thus can be safely ignored.

You see this with DAV itself-the flashy Fortnite animation and the fact the game literally explains to you in text boxes conversations you just had(as if you weren't paying attention)-its tiktok generation now.

What if wokeness goes away but in return we get games intended for tiktok brainfried zoomers that need to be hand held to do basic tasks and who can't handle plots more sophisticated than "collect loot boxes"?

 

[Deus Exica]

Okay maybe unpopular opinion, but my favorite origins playthrough remains the female city elf.

Female city elf is fun, nice Kill Bill reference. Male version is okay as well. For me it definitely goes Dwarf Noble > City elf > Literally every other one because they all suck ass.

What is up with these old bearded cucks (this guy, David Jaffe, etc) acting like complete simps for corporations?

It's the modern equivalent of networking. David might finally get some work if he prostrates himself before the tranny dick hard enough.

Then again, they probably know all this

Well, yeah, that's why they're constantly coping and sneeding on social media and trying to spin narratives to the contrary. When you realize that modern devs are overgrown children who really want an audience of troons and troons only to play their games, all their antagonism suddenly makes sense.

All actual evidence shows that the main demographic for gaming is an aging millennial male who wants to play escapist entertainment where he is a big dick hero or a big titted heroine fucking pretty people and killing monsters. So they fake studies about how women are actually 50% of the audience and Chuds are dead and gamers don't have to be our audience and etc; etc;

In Bioware's case they did have an atypically large playerbase, specifically for Dragon Age, that was comprised of women who treated the games like dating Sims where they could be pretty elf princesses who fuck human boys or have a doomed love with Solas but Veilguard's troon director failed to realize that not even women want to be troons, they want to be girls with pointy ears, and they definitely don't want to fuck freaks like Ta'ash or Black Guy or Gay Grandpa.

They want to date Solas, Varric (if he was 6'), and Alistair.

At the same time in a decade or so-surely the gamergate generation will have largely "aged out" of playing video games?

Yes, games are already being pandered to zoomers which is why they all look like Fortnite. Wokeness is a symptom of that same thing, though, and zoomers are more likely to crash the market than ever play anything that isn't a hero shooter or Minecraft.

 

[clara red bottoms]

This was a devastating shitter for me. I loved DA 1-3 even though they're a little jank. So I got 4 thinking hell yeah sequel.

But like you open with literal world saving heroes sucking you, a rando chud nobody, off as hard as they can. It's like going to heaven and finding God smoking crack.

I had to quit under an hour. I'd rather pass kidney stones tbh.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

Decade? Sounds very optimistic. If we assume these idiots are in their 20s-30s, people from this same group of morons are going to end up in leadership positions into their 50s. Without an industry crash, this is doing to take another 2-3 decades to eradicate.

As a counter argument, Decade might not be completely inaccurate, owing solely to the rate Troons and Troon-Adjacent fucktards off themselves.

It’ll still take a LONG time before these fucks are all chased out, but maybe we’ll be lucky for once. That or Western AAA collapses under the weight of its comical budgets and decade long dev times, either works…

 

[Balr0g]

As a counter argument, Decade might not be completely inaccurate, owing solely to the rate Troons and Troon-Adjacent fucktards off themselves.

It’ll still take a LONG time before these fucks are all chased out, but maybe we’ll be lucky for once. That or Western AAA collapses under the weight of its comical budgets and decade long dev times, either works…

I think Western AAA will either collapse or get absorbed by Eastern Asian companies who then decide to clean house. Then it will be stable for some time before the whole cycle starts again. After all you can't gatekeep forever

 

[Ishtar]

Gatekeeping vidya as a medium was always a losing battle.

As a general aside...I will admit I like the mythic conflict that DAI and DAV establish.

The original Elvhen were of "the sky"(the Fade), immaterial and malleable-at some point they desired to become flesh, out of curiosity, lust or just desire. They took on a humanoid shape, and raised cities-becoming corporeal beings, but in doing so they angered older more primordial entities, entities that were inextricably bound up with that which is tangible, concrete and immutable. So they fought-and in their desperation, they shattered the earth-in essence alienating the earth and the sky forever.

They then forged kingdoms and became gods of their people(its implied throughout that there were others-the forbidden ones, and forgotten ones-basically like any pantheon they warred and intrigued, until there was but eight(plus one)-the rest destroyed and records also wiped out and forgotten. Eventually due to betrayal and greed-Solas, a trickster promethean archetype rebelled and in doing so-freed the people, but shattered the world again.

(Most) everything which follows is a long sequence of tragedies and calamities arising from these primordial mythic wars-between the hubris of would be gods, and titans, earth shakers and earth movers then between the gods themselves. This tension between the Ouranic deities(Elgar'nan is equated with the sun and called the lord of the day), and older Cthonic entities is just so...Indo European coded IDK and I just love it. Solas is a go between-a bridge between different realms or camps.

Its fitting actually that in DAV-regardless of variation, Solas ends up sustaining the Veil-Prometheus turned into Atlas-holding up the sky forever.

Regardless of execution-I do like this. The mythical background overlaced with a set of stories about heroes shaping the world through sheer strength of will, indomitable resolve and charisma-for better and worse. All happening in an age predicted to be one of chaos and turmoil-dragons being the herald of chaos and disorder.

(I actually do really love dragon age, which is why DAV is so saddening).

 

[HorridHenry]

The really funny part is that these developers still don't get it.

I wonder how many more studio closures and layoffs it's going to take before they, collectively, wise up and realize the chuds are the audience, that they want to play as the White, heterosexual male paladin that gets to genocide the orcs and bangs the snarky, big titty goth GF and ride off into the sunset?

Then again, they probably know all this - we've seen plenty of statistical evidence collected by the devs themselves attesting to this fact - yet they are all such fanatical Marxists they can't physically force themselves to make such a game, and will viciously lash out at any of their fellow oven-dodgers that suggest doing the sane thing.

Appeals to emotion and pleading for mercy are done from a position of weakness, and are utterly ineffective when aimed at an audience that has largely grown apathetic towards their product and knows the only entertainment they can eke out of it is watching the devs fail.

Apathy is the precursor to spite, if they're not going to make fun games for me, they can entertain me with their suffering. At the end of the day I can refuse to buy harder than they can try to shame me.

The problem with this, is this isn’t necessarily the story they want to tell though. You see this multiple times with Dragon Age-they want to write about female mage elf lesbians.

And to be honest I get it-the stock story you’re describing has been done ten thousand times, and sooner or later you want to write other things.

That being the case-BioWare should be willing to admit this “we the writers and devs want quirky lesbians, the bulk of the audience wants a standard male power fantasy-if we aren’t going to give the audience what they want, we’ll just accept being out of work”.

That would at least be an honest admission that there is an unbridgeable gap between what the audience wants and what they want.

If you don’t want the chuds as an audience then you should stick to writing novels or Tumblr one shots.

This is the true tragedy of Dragon Age.

It was an amazing series because it took a stock male power fantasy, white human guy banging the witch and killing the orcs, but it added layers of complexity and humanity to that story.

I thought Dragon Age 2 had some merits but this is where the marxist slop really took off. Once they bit down into "mages representing the magical creative power of black gay jews" they couldn't let go of the shitty allegory.

 

[Ishtar]

I thought Dragon Age 2 had some merits but this is where the marxist slop really took off. Once they bit down into "mages representing the magical creative power of black gay jews" they couldn't let go of the shitty allegory.

The bizarre thing is I don't actually think this was BioWare's intention. Given it goes out of the way to show crazed evil mages in DA2 alone, and you can in fact support the templars. The Tumblr fandom took it this way. More than the writers intended actually.

 

[clara red bottoms]

The bizarre thing is I don't actually think this was BioWare's intention. Given it goes out of the way to show crazed evil mages in DA2 alone, and you can in fact support the templars. The Tumblr fandom took it this way. More than the writers intended actually.

Tevinter mages caused the blight. And a Tiventer former magister also causes the rifts while attempting to ascend to godhood in 3. Also the mage rebellion and absolute unwillingness to compromise leading up to Kirkwall. There's lots of evil mage representation even amongst some circles, where they're making people tranquil and dogging them out after.
The only non divisive faction is probably the wardens I guess? They seem fine.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I checked actually-Corinne Kempa(Leliana’s actress) isn’t really in that much.

She has such a lovely voice, I genuinely don’t understand why she hasn’t done at least as much voice acting as Joe Wyatt(female Hawke).

Claudia Black is obviously a successful actress, as is Brian Bloom, Solas actor(I forgot it is George David Lloyd or something else?) isn’t that well known to the best of my knowledge.

Meredith’s actress apparently was in some show or something, and is well regarded. I’m honestly surprised Anders(DA2)’ VA isn’t that well known either.

Solas is more famous in the UK. Hes well known by Torchwood fans. Corrine is French so I imagine she's more successful in France. Meredith has been based in the states since I believe the 1990s? I think Jo lives in the US now.

Anders is best known as Shulk in Xenoblade Chronicles now.

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

Solas is more famous in the UK. Hes well known by Torchwood fans. Corrine is French so I imagine she's more successful in France. Meredith has been based in the states since I believe the 1990s? I think Jo lives in the US now.

Anders is best known as Shulk in Xenoblade Chronicles now.

Solas was Ianto Jones, the other half of a tragic love story with the lead in Torchwood. That relationship is super big among fujoshi fans in the SuperWhoLock universe back in those years.

BioWare knew what it was doing when they hired him.