Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[IcedBacon]

It used to be. Now it's a transgender cyberpunk land with violet lights everywhere.

My girlfriend describes the art and clothing design as drag queen faggish and I felt like that was very appropriate given the lead dev. It's all a gaudy flamboyant overindulgent mess that feels less like fantastical armament and more like parody of what people might wear.

They turned Tevinter into steampunk London, everyone has British accents, and kitschy Victorian attire. You even get brown girl sherlock holmes to follow you around.

They took everything unique about Minrathous, and turned it into tropey fantasy slop.

 

[Nonga Tork]

Also should be noted that veneration of female divinities didn't change this reality. So sure Andraste could have led the struggle against the Tevinter Imperium, but that doesn't mean andrastians would accept biological extinction just because.

(Even women dominating the clergy as they do in DA is iffy-if they can't marry or have kids-that's also a big problem.)*

All societies, from families to nations at a subconscious level want to survive and propagate, and while countless factors influence that-survival will override other considerations, even including what a religion might(in theory) allow.

DA is markedly anti realist because in a renaissance era culture-women being in the sort of professions they are in means they either die young, or they never have childen. Which just isn't sustainable.

*This could be another aspect where DA is not realistic-third and second born daughters given to the chantry sure, a very important role for women, and even men being excluded from certain roles, due to Maferath and Andrastian theology? Sure-but letting healthy young women often from educated families take on full vows that's a death sentence.

In 1965--the year all three peaked--there were almost three times as many Catholic nuns in the US as there were Catholic priests and Catholic monks in the US combined. Healthy young women from educated families taking on full vows was quite common prior to the rise of modern feminism.

 

[Ishtar]

Yeah which is why I said it was iffy.

It doesn't bother me, not everything has to hold itself to the phantom that is "realism" in a fantasy setting, especially a video game setting.

Its just that DA is very much not like say...ASOIAF which does imitate however accurately or not, sociological realities of the period it is inspired by, rather than presume some sort of modern egalitarian framework exists in a medieval society.

 

[BlankSpaceBaby]

The prominence of women in the Chantry may be political rather than a feminist cultural norm, as there is no evidence that society in Thedas on the whole is matriarchal. It's not patriarchal either, just kinda there.

Traditionally, in European history, in the church you have tiers: the members that serve as basically unpaid servants for the more senior clergy (usually unwanted children or teenage girls that have the shame of bearing children out of wedlock), adult women that are banished or forced into the clergy, some that join because they feel that it's a calling, and children of noble families that would not inherit a title or much of the properties because they are not the eldest nor the spare.

In this context, religion is power, and if women were given prominence in the clergy, then it makes sense that women would want to join as it is a path to power for them. I'd imagine that in Orlais, becoming a member of the Andrastian clergy is more about power than feminism - powerful families jostling to insert a daughter into the church for political advantage. It is not unlikely that the same may happen in Ferelden. You know Arl Eamonn would be pushing any daughter he has to join the Chantry if he couldn't marry them off to some powerful royalty.

 

[Nonga Tork]

On the discussion of female warriors others are having - Origins establishes that female warriors are quite rare, even if men and women are largely equal in most other ways. Alistair tells a female Grey Warden that women Wardens have been quite rare historically, and all the Wardens he knew before being killed at Ostagar were male. If you play a female Cousland Arl Howe remarks that her being trained as a warrior as "unique", and later insults her by saying she's "playing the man" when she confronts him later. At Ostagar you can talk to Loghain and if you're a woman he gives advice on how not to feel out of place at a military camp full of men. The only female warrior companion in Origins in the traditional sense is a literal rock golem, and I don't think it's unrealistic for Leliana to be proficient in daggers, poisons, archery and subterfuge given her background. The later games don't emphasise the point but it has been established the female warriors like Aveline and Cassandra are exceptional, and exceptional people have always existed so I don't have a problem with their inclusion. Most of the female characters in DA have been mages and rogues anyways - I do think this is an element Bioware hasn't gone full woke on.

I believe in the Dwarf Noble origin the announcer during the proving held in your honor can apologize over one of the fighters being a woman, and you can join him in being upset about it. I've never seen how that option goes if your Dwarf Noble is also a woman, since the whole thing is to celebrate your first military command.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

CROSSPOST: Minorly related, asmondgold looked into stuff about being banned from the veil-guard reddit, and found literally 1 person has made 90% of hate threads which could of lead up to this ban.
This said user also posted loli and futa shit in the remaining 10%

link

 

[bort420]

gaudy flamboyant overindulgent mess that feels less like fantastical armament and more like parody of what people might wear.

Every woman looks like a trans woman or trans man, no normal people seemed to be involved anywhere in the art style.

They fucked up the model head to body ratio making everyone look like a bobblehead or infantile. Or in the case of the asian elf, like a rotated square. Knife ears, knife chin(k)

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Apparently the French and Spanish translations of Failguard also have horribly butchered and twisted the language. Every gendered language gets trannyfied.

It's trans supremacy propaganda.

 

[Town Drunk]

I'm old, so if this how kids speak these days, I'd understand a game with this level of dialogue is not for me.

However resurrecting a franchise to make it for the modern audience shows how creatively bankrupt they are.

We are making a game with a legacy, however it will not appeal to the people who liked the original, but to a new audience, and have no nostalgia about the older games.

Just make a new universe at this point, if you want to chase the new audience. I'm sure it would sell well, if you are correct about society.

Instead we got a game that old fans were expected to buy, that catered to people who never played the older ones. I can't imagine a dumber way to sell a product.

 

[30+GameOvers]

EA nuked all memes in the dragon age artwork section : link

I got you covered, chief. I immortalized that page when it was still up

Spoiler

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Lmao wait so the game actually shames you for getting the bad ending?...

Also that video of the Lucianis romance....not even an ass shot?! Those arrogant safe-playing troon sjw fucks.......why the fuck is Rook wearing an undershirt and boxers? Or is it like one whole suit? The more I see of this game the more it confuses me and I'm astounded at how bastardized it got.

 

[Shiversblood]

I bought this game Dragon Age The Veilguard on Halloween 10-31-2024. My complaints so far is, I can’t just take my armor off. I found new armor I could put on instead but why can’t I just take my armor off at the start of the game, instead of changing it for new armor I find. Even if they didn’t want your character running around nude like on Baldurs gate 3 why not let you run around in your underwear like Morrowind or Skyrim etc. but when I was making my character on this game, they actually did show me her boobs, because I could pick underwear that was tops and bottom underwear or bottom underwear with no top I picked that one. That almost made me think you could make your character naked like baldurs gate 3. Your character can only wear armor, helmet, belt, amulet, two rings, shield and a weapon and a secondary weapon. I can’t just take the armor off it seems. I couldn’t unequip my sword and punch monsters. I bought a amulet and a ring, I already had a amulet so I equipped the new amulet but it seems I can’t give my old amulet to the companion following me to wear. Why isn’t there towns that sell cloth shirts cloth pants and stuff like Morrowind. Neve starts with a magical armor already on and you can’t remove it and it’s the only one I have for her so she has to wear it. Why can’t I walk into town and bjy something different for her to wear.

simply adding more flexibility with armor and clothing could enhance the role-playing experience for gamers to better enjoy gaming wise. By allowing players to unequip armor and choose different attire, it would actually increase more control over character customization and immersion in the world of this setting such as medieval. This flexibility is a big part of what makes RPGs like Morrowind and Skyrim and oblivion and Baldurs gate 3 and fallout series so engaging.

Dragon Age seems to be missing some key RPG elements. Adding more elements is important because it would let players express their character's personality and make choices that affect their gameplay experience, these options, without be, the game could is or feel more restrictive and less immersive. Adding these features could make the game more enjoyable and true in factual nature to the spirit of role-playing games, and things of that nature. Very simply.

 

[Balr0g]

I believe in the Dwarf Noble origin the announcer during the proving held in your honor can apologize over one of the fighters being a woman, and you can join him in being upset about it. I've never seen how that option goes if your Dwarf Noble is also a woman, since the whole thing is to celebrate your first military command.

Isn't the tournament in the Dwarf noble origin stroy also a sort of "find your daughter a partner" tournament when you play as a female noble dwarf? I am pretty certain that was in there. Might be misremembering though.

also, i have begun playing Origins again and one of the funniest early scenes is with the female city elf. You and several other women get abducted by a young noble and while you wait two fully armed and armored guards come in to bind you. Your cousin appaears tosses you a sword and both guards go "Oh shit". Like my guys. You are armed and armored while my character is only wearing her wedding dress and now has one longsword. While it is stated earlier that your character was trained by her / his mother there should be some scoffing not "We're in danger". Though the art for the elf bride is certainly nice (though the facial experession might be over the top)

 

[Divine right to rule]

Apparently the French and Spanish translations of Failguard also have horribly butchered and twisted the language. Every gendered language gets trannyfied.

It's trans supremacy propaganda.

Which is fucking insane, trans stuff is way less acceptable and accepted outside of the US and Canada.

European gayming journos all have the brainrot however, and they never call it out.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Imagine if each of your testicles were stretched out, then encased in a sphere of armor. That's what boob armor is. It doesn't make sense from any standpoint, so it should die off.

Boob armour is about as realistic as women on a battlefield. You cannot demand realism when it comes to armour but not when it comes to the people wearing it. Its literally wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Male Idiot]

Pajeeta mage with a prosthetic leg (yes, really) constantly sounds like she is falling asleep. Which is somewhat fitting, because she is easily the blandest character so far.

It is not easy work to designate all the streets of Tevinter with the needful brown of digested curry Saaaaaar!

Atleast the women in Veilguard are not hideous on purpose like in other "progressive" games. Except the they/them creature ofc.
They are not as hot as Shart or even Karlach, but they are okay looking.

All of them look hideous. This game doesn't have a single normal looking woman.

The asassin guy and the necromancer guy look passable. But if I pirated it, I would want to have CWC as Rook. Maybe the dwarfette could be Cabbage Patch?

Can you tear down the Veil with Solas to complete Da Merge?

 

[Divine right to rule]

Can you tear down the Veil with Solas to complete Da Merge?

The fuck are you on, choice in a nu-Bioware game?

You can choose your pronouns and vitiligo, isn't that enough?

Concerning the women, the pajeeta looks average and Harding is actually quite cute.
Granted, the asian elf owoo girl looks highly bogged.

 

[Male Idiot]

A Pajeet would work with CWC, after all, pardon his flatulence... . I mean HER flatulence. I need to do some pushups@

 

[Firemalzahn]

I’m a bit surprised that the subreddit is actually allowing real criticism. Of course you got bots, but I thought they would have locked things down and just push propaganda

 

[30+GameOvers]

I’m a bit surprised that the subreddit is actually allowing real criticism. Of course you got bots, but I thought they would have locked things down and just push propaganda

Either EA and reddit just accepted that this is going to be a disaster no matter how they spin it, or they're just as inept at controlling the narrative as bioslop is making a game nowdays. Dunno which one is funnier.