Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[Krokodil Overdose]

it's time to hate kai bitch leng again for being shoehorned in the game like some last ditch writer's pet making everyone retarded to conveniently make him overpowered and ultra strong when shepard&friends liquefied harder enemies without breaking a sweat?
ogey, fuck kai leng.

and no, reaper tech upgrades means shit as saren was literally remote-controlled by a reaper and was much, much faster than bitch leng could ever possibly dream of, the way that anderson tries to claim that leng is powerful and dengerous is downright ridiculous and you can't even renegade interrupt him by saying "BITCH, I KILLED A PROTO REAPER SURRONDED BY COLLECTORS, SOME CERBERUS FAGGOT AIN'T GOT SHIT"

He also created a massive plot hole for ME2- if TIM had this guy in his back pocket the whole time, why did he need to bring Shepard back? Or if Shepard possessed some je ne sais quoi that Kai didn't, why not have them work together? The fate of all life in the galaxy was at stake, this is not a scenario to play it safe.

Of course, a lot of ME3's sins were dictates by it's weird relationship with ME2- like having Miranda claim she didn't know how ghoulish the Shepard resurrection project was despite being literally in charge of it. The problem was that ME2 had the moral complexity of trying to save all life by working with the space-Klan, and that sort of thing isn't allowed in [the current year.]

 

[A Very Big Fish]

He also created a massive plot hole for ME2- if TIM had this guy in his back pocket the whole time, why did he need to bring Shepard back? Or if Shepard possessed some je ne sais quoi that Kai didn't, why not have them work together? The fate of all life in the galaxy was at stake, this is not a scenario to play it safe.

Of course, a lot of ME3's sins were dictates by it's weird relationship with ME2- like having Miranda claim she didn't know how ghoulish the Shepard resurrection project was despite being literally in charge of it. The problem was that ME2 had the moral complexity of trying to save all life by working with the space-Klan, and that sort of thing isn't allowed in [the current year.]

Wasn't Kai Leng supposed to be busy at that time killing a literally autistic biotic with a sharpened toothbrush?

Even outside the games, everything related to Leng was fucking retarded.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

What even is the “dread wolf”? Every time I see any conversation about it, its just faggots sperging about some dwarf with the usual shipping autism. While the series is trying to LARP as the witcher.

Also really don’t like Dragon age 2 and in retrospect, was a real sign of what was to come in the industry with all the talk of “oppression” and something about the writer’s guild.

He also created a massive plot hole for ME2- if TIM had this guy in his back pocket the whole time, why did he need to bring Shepard back? Or if Shepard possessed some je ne sais quoi that Kai didn't, why not have them work together? The fate of all life in the galaxy was at stake, this is not a scenario to play it safe.

Of course, a lot of ME3's sins were dictates by it's weird relationship with ME2- like having Miranda claim she didn't know how ghoulish the Shepard resurrection project was despite being literally in charge of it. The problem was that ME2 had the moral complexity of trying to save all life by working with the space-Klan, and that sort of thing isn't allowed in [the current year.]

It was quite clear why he needed Shepard.
He was a tool to control the rest of humanity and larger galaxy that wanted nothing to do with cerberus.

He literally says that is why he needed shepard to have free will and be 100% the real deal no strings attached right after the prologue in the first meeting.

Even then everyone is rightly suspicious of him just coming back from the dead after being a “pile of meat and tubes.”

 

[Übertroon]

What even is the “dread wolf”? Every time I see any conversation about it, its just faggots sperging about some dwarf with the usual shipping autism. While the series is trying to LARP as the witcher.

Also really don’t like Dragon age 2 and in retrospect, was a real sign of what was to come in the industry with all the talk of “oppression” and something about the writer’s guild.

The dread wolf is Fen'Harel, who you meet as Solas, the trickster god or Loki of the elven pantheon.
He sealed the elven gods away which in turn caused the downfall of elven civilization.
Honestly I don't think any of the writers know what to do with him.
Originally the dread wolf was the great betrayer, he imprisoned the elven gods for his own amusement. But Inquisition did its best to whitewash him, making his "betrayal" justice for the murder of the elvish matron god Myrthal/Flemeth.
But they can't avoid the fact that he caused the fall of the elves and even caused the rise of Corypheus.
He's not a particularly interesting villain after his whitewashing, but he has caused too much suffering to be a hero, and is planning to remove the veil, which safeguards the world against numerous threats

 

[capitalBBustard]

It was quite clear why he needed Shepard.
He was a tool to control the rest of humanity and larger galaxy that wanted nothing to do with cerberus.

Nah, he said quite clearly that spending 8 shitzillion space bucks on Shepard was because 1 man is more valuable than an army when you meet him after the tutorial level. Aka the game is fundamentally retarded and he really did it because you are the protagonist. The whole bullshit about Shepard being a "bluddy eye-con" is just word salad.

Not like you had a distinct ability in the first game that would make your character uniquely desirable. *cough* prothean cipher *cough*

He literally says that is why he needed shepard to have free will and be 100% the real deal no strings attached right after the prologue in the first meeting.

Which is unfathomably retarded, because what happens if Shepard just decides to take his brand new ship and defect immediately?
"noooo I didn't mean it like that" TIM the cuck, probably
Obviously, this doesn't happen for the well written reason of shut up.

Even then everyone is rightly suspicious of him just coming back from the dead after being a “pile of meat and tubes.”

They aren't, what are you talking about? The only reason anyone gives him shit is that he works for Cerberus. Literally not a single fucking person finds it difficult to believe that a dead guy is alive again. It's comical, everyone just treats you like you came back from vacation.

The one time it's mentioned he's dead according to a scanner entering the Citadel, it's a joke where he says 'I know, right?'.

 

[StacticShock]

Which is unfathomably retarded, because what happens if Shepard just decides to take his brand new ship and defect immediately?
"noooo I didn't mean it like that" TIM the cuck, probably
Obviously, this doesn't happen for the well written reason of shut up.

TIM put all of cerberus crew there with shepard to keep an eye on him and that's according to your ginger secretary on ME2, he couldn't really run away unless he found a way to space everyone but joker and release the shackles from edi, even still nothing would stop her from betraying shepard as she had no people experience besides all the times you destroyed her cores in the moon.
the rest is more like "shepard is a spectre so spectre gotta spectre" shit, even the first time you get to citadel dialogue, i'm not really counting all the extra texts you can find on ME3 because ME3 is a joke and takes a fat dump on all of the lore from ME1 and ME2 for fucking fandom shipping shit and focusing on which of the many avaliable spaceports shepard is going to dock his ship unless you one of those femshepard main trannies to which let me tell you that you will never be a woman.

Spoiler: femshep mains

The dread wolf is Fen'Harel, who you meet as Solas, the trickster god or Loki of the elven pantheon.
He sealed the elven gods away which in turn caused the downfall of elven civilization.
Honestly I don't think any of the writers know what to do with him.
Originally the dread wolf was the great betrayer, he imprisoned the elven gods for his own amusement. But Inquisition did its best to whitewash him, making his "betrayal" justice for the murder of the elvish matron god Myrthal/Flemeth.
But they can't avoid the fact that he caused the fall of the elves and even caused the rise of Corypheus.
He's not a particularly interesting villain after his whitewashing, but he has caused too much suffering to be a hero, and is planning to remove the veil, which safeguards the world against numerous threats

he also explains that the elven gods are fabrications and they are powerful mages that learned the secret of immortality, he also mentions how corypheus wasn't supposed to unlock this secret and how that is going to be a problem for him... it's way too gay and on some of his explanations in the dialogues he mentions that he was called the dread wolf and that it's a different entity but that is supposed to reinforce his trickster shit.
it's clear that they have no idea what they are doing regarding this, it also means skelly boy corypheus may come back as he also mentions that the other elven gods are also stuck in the veil for eternity and that tearing down the veil would make them come back but give immortality to elves again and he's dead set on it.

 

[capitalBBustard]

TIM put all of cerberus crew there with shepard to keep an eye on him and that's according to your ginger secretary on ME2, he couldn't really run away unless he found a way to space everyone but joker and release the shackles from edi, even still nothing would stop her from betraying shepard as she had no people experience besides all the times you destroyed her cores in the moon.

This isn't true either, all the crew go out of their way to tell you that they don't trust Cerberus for shit and are just there because you are there and because the Citadel races aren't doing anything about the abductions. Shit, I'm pretty sure it's said that the whole crew was explicitly recruited just for Shepard. The only person loyal to Cerberus, at the start of the game atleast, is Miranda. That's before you recruit anybody, all squadmates you get later are against Cerberus too. Also, EDI can't actually do shit to stop Shepard while shackled, it's explicitly said she doesn't control the ship while in that state. She's basically just sentient Kaspersky AV spyware at first.

That's not even getting into the fact that Shepard regularly fucks off with only a couple people alongside him. He could legitimately just get on a space bus on one of his excursions and he'd be halfway to space Tahiti before anyone could realise it. There's actually 0 active oversight by TIM to ensure Shepard doesn't bail on him, game is just written so he doesn't because shut up.

And the king of abhorrent retardation is when Shepard takes the extremely advanced terrorist's replica of a military vessel to the capital of space and docks it, so he can go buy fish and other shit. All he'd need to do at that point is tell security to lock down the vessel to keep it from leaving and arrest everyone on board. Whoops, guess TIM didn't think about that one.

 

[StacticShock]

This isn't true either, all the crew go out of their way to tell you that they don't trust Cerberus for shit and are just there because you are there and because the Citadel races aren't doing anything about the abductions. Shit, I'm pretty sure it's said that the whole crew was explicitly recruited just for Shepard. The only person loyal to Cerberus, at the start of the game atleast, is Miranda. That's before you recruit anybody, all squadmates you get later are against Cerberus too. Also, EDI can't actually do shit to stop Shepard while shackled, it's explicitly said she doesn't control the ship while in that state. She's basically just sentient Kaspersky AV spyware at first.

EDI is constantly streaming data to TIM before unshackling, even post unshackle she doesn't turn against him up until collector base, the crewmembers you can talk to are said to be hired to make the team more emphatic to shepard ON ME3, kelly does admit that her job was sending reports to TIM if you keep friendly conversing with her, it's after you are finished with the base.
mordin also comments on the bugs he had to destroy unless they were expensive models which were then given to miranda.

That's not even getting into the fact that Shepard regularly fucks off with only a couple people alongside him. He could legitimately just get on a space bus on one of his excursions and he'd be halfway to space Tahiti before anyone could realise it. There's actually 0 active oversight by TIM to ensure Shepard doesn't bail on him, game is just written so he doesn't because shut up.

miranda tells you about the excuse that "cerberus is everywhere" with their agents that work on different cells and her not caring about it since she was in charge of the lazarus project one, right after you get to the normandy, edi says she can't give you data until you unshackle her then says the same thing, also saying that TIM has many companies everywhere as fronts.

And the king of abhorrent retardation is when Shepard takes the extremely advanced terrorist's replica of a military vessel to the capital of space and docks it, so he can go buy fish and other shit. All he'd need to do at that point is tell security to lock down the vessel to keep it from leaving and arrest everyone on board. Whoops, guess TIM didn't think about that one.

they never elaborate further because they never bothered with it with the whole cerberus terrorist force unless it was for plot convenience like jack's quest, were not for Kahoku's investigation they would never be branded as terrorists in ME2.

i specifically said that i would not make any mentions to the ME3 fuckshit that they do because a good chunk of ME3 is rushed retarded fanservice with the writers sniffing their own farts:

i'm not really counting all the extra texts you can find on ME3 because ME3 is a joke and takes a fat dump on all of the lore from ME1 and ME2 for fucking fandom shipping shit and focusing on which of the many avaliable spaceports shepard is going to dock his ship unless you one of those femshepard main trannies to which let me tell you that you will never be a woman.

 

[Zaryiu2]

He also created a massive plot hole for ME2- if TIM had this guy in his back pocket the whole time, why did he need to bring Shepard back? Or if Shepard possessed some je ne sais quoi that Kai didn't, why not have them work together? The fate of all life in the galaxy was at stake, this is not a scenario to play it safe.

Of course, a lot of ME3's sins were dictates by it's weird relationship with ME2- like having Miranda claim she didn't know how ghoulish the Shepard resurrection project was despite being literally in charge of it. The problem was that ME2 had the moral complexity of trying to save all life by working with the space-Klan, and that sort of thing isn't allowed in [the current year.]

From what i remember Kai Leng was first in one of the books between 2 and 3
Edit: Oops post is for @Krokodil Overdose

 

[BiggerChungus]

What even is the “dread wolf”? Every time I see any conversation about it, its just faggots sperging about some dwarf with the usual shipping autism. While the series is trying to LARP as the witcher.

Also really don’t like Dragon age 2 and in retrospect, was a real sign of what was to come in the industry with all the talk of “oppression” and something about the writer’s guild.

The dread wolf is Fen'Harel, who you meet as Solas, the trickster god or Loki of the elven pantheon.
He sealed the elven gods away which in turn caused the downfall of elven civilization.
Honestly I don't think any of the writers know what to do with him.
Originally the dread wolf was the great betrayer, he imprisoned the elven gods for his own amusement. But Inquisition did its best to whitewash him, making his "betrayal" justice for the murder of the elvish matron god Myrthal/Flemeth.
But they can't avoid the fact that he caused the fall of the elves and even caused the rise of Corypheus.
He's not a particularly interesting villain after his whitewashing, but he has caused too much suffering to be a hero, and is planning to remove the veil, which safeguards the world against numerous threats

He also got shoved into a bunch of other unrelated events. He's the one who made the Veil and apparently the Fade itself. Most of Inquisition and its DLC paints everyone else in the setting, from mages to churches, as being wrong about history and magic, and it was apparently Fen'Harel/Solas and the others in the elven pantheon, who weren't gods but mages, that did most if not everything formerly attributed to gods or spirits in the setting, including but not limited to: making the Veil, making the Fade, making the Golden City, and either creating spirits or the process of dreaming to interact with them. Aside from confirming he existed, when before the elven pantheon's existence wasn't certain, it also whitewashes him hard for sure. He was an insane, cackling type of guy who wanted to destroy the elven pantheon and its enemies both out of spite and because he thought it was fun, but now he's portrayed as some kind of modern progressivist rebel who wants to end bigotry and oppression, or some stupid shit like that. He and his lore are largely hated and blamed on the Inquisition team, at least from what I've seen, though people defending him say he was meant to be a rebel antihero at the center of the Veil and Fade since Origins. I don't really buy it, but it'd be par for the course for Bioware to write really dumb plot twists like that.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

I did hate how much they expected us to care about Thessia getting wrecked. After fighting cyberninja Kai Leng and his unkillable gunship, I was not in the mood to pretend I felt too torn up about Thessia falling when Earth and Palavan had been on fire for the last however many hours of the game.

Chad!Joker: "I guess they should have spent less time on the poles..."

 

[Snekposter]

Chad!Joker: "I guess they should have spent less time on the poles..."

Ah, Joker. Poor guy would be canceled in Current Year.

Apparently all of his best lines were just ad-libbed by Seth Green, too.

 

[Johan Hulth]

He also got shoved into a bunch of other unrelated events. He's the one who made the Veil and apparently the Fade itself. Most of Inquisition and its DLC paints everyone else in the setting, from mages to churches, as being wrong about history and magic, and it was apparently Fen'Harel/Solas and the others in the elven pantheon, who weren't gods but mages, that did most if not everything formerly attributed to gods or spirits in the setting, including but not limited to: making the Veil, making the Fade, making the Golden City, and either creating spirits or the process of dreaming to interact with them. Aside from confirming he existed, when before the elven pantheon's existence wasn't certain, it also whitewashes him hard for sure. He was an insane, cackling type of guy who wanted to destroy the elven pantheon and its enemies both out of spite and because he thought it was fun, but now he's portrayed as some kind of modern progressivist rebel who wants to end bigotry and oppression, or some stupid shit like that. He and his lore are largely hated and blamed on the Inquisition team, at least from what I've seen, though people defending him say he was meant to be a rebel antihero at the center of the Veil and Fade since Origins. I don't really buy it, but it'd be par for the course for Bioware to write really dumb plot twists like that.

Yea all roads leading back to the Elven pantheon is a bit of a lore problem. Solas didn't create the Fade though, it was part of the world and he just built a wall to separate it, the Veil. Things that were more magical got stuck on that side, including the Elven pantheon. Spirits always existed too ("The Maker's First Children") and being pure magic they got stuck the Fade side of the Veil too. Demons are just spirits of more negative traits, we fight boat loads of them in the games. Solas simps for spirits a lot in Inquisition. Solas means Pride in Elven. Pride demons are a ubiquitous boss enemy in the games. We all know about Pride and Globalhomo - these games are subversive!

 

[12345]

This just came across my feed:

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

This just came across my feed:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nuCqjyqx2sQ

But will I get to be a massive racist biggot to 'complement' all the gay troon bullshit?

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Place your bets now on whether or not the Dread Wolf is a le Drumpf analogue.

Fuck,I bet the game is already being rewritten to be about Russia invading Ukraine in a fantasy setting and transgender elf propaganda being pushed in human public schools. Knowing EA games, they would make up a new tropical setting for the Dragon age so they could have Ron DeSantis and Florida analogues. I’ll bet bioware will have a pro-abortion side quest.

 

[BiggerChungus]

I guarantee there'll be a line about "making Tevinter great again."

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Obviously, this doesn't happen for the well written reason of shut up.

That about sums up most conversations with TIM. It's either a statement that Shepard refuses to ask for elaboration on or him yelling "BUT THINK OF THE POSSIABILITIES SHEPARD! THE VAUGE, UNDERDEVELOPED AND UNDEFINED POSSIABILITIES!"

TIM's entire plot in ME3 is about how they can use the plot mcguffin to control the Reapers and no one ever bloody asks "Why do you think this? We literally know nothing about what the Crucible even is. We're just banking on the hope that the guys who already failed to dent the Reapers wouldn't have been working on a device if it wasn't something relevant to the Reaper threat." because Shepard can't actually argue in ME2 or 3, he and the person he's talking to just yell past each other about unrelated shit.

I'll give Inquisition this, it gave you enough responses to feel like you could actually discuss the subject at hand instead of "Accept Statements, irrelevant response and 'Fuck off'."

They aren't, what are you talking about? The only reason anyone gives him shit is that he works for Cerberus. Literally not a single fucking person finds it difficult to believe that a dead guy is alive again. It's comical, everyone just treats you like you came back from vacation.

It just highlights how stupid Shepard's death is, they through all this bullshit at you of Cerberus unlocking the miracle of complete resurrection of a corpse that crashed into a planet from fucking orbit just to justify Shepard being out of commission for two years. You couldn't have just put him in a coma or something?

The only time his death is remotely given some narrative purpose is in a cut conversation with Ashley in ME3 where, shock of all shock, someone actually asks Shepard about the experience of dying and being resurrected, leading to Shepard having a bit of a meltdown moment where he admits he didn't see/feel anything after his death; hell, he sometimes wonders if he even was resurrected and he's not just a Cerberus meat puppet they told was Commander Shepard. It's a genuinely interesting topic that could have made for good exploration and connects perfectly with some of the underlying themes of the trilogy. Would even add more weight to fighting the Illusive Man, the only person who'd be able to give Shepard a solid answer.

 

[Hazel Motes]

The only time his death is remotely given some narrative purpose is in a cut conversation with Ashley in ME3 where, shock of all shock, someone actually asks Shepard about the experience of dying and being resurrected, leading to Shepard having a bit of a meltdown moment where he admits he didn't see/feel anything after his death; hell, he sometimes wonders if he even was resurrected and he's not just a Cerberus meat puppet they told was Commander Shepard. It's a genuinely interesting topic that could have made for good exploration and connects perfectly with some of the underlying themes of the trilogy. Would even add more weight to fighting the Illusive Man, the only person who'd be able to give Shepard a solid answer.

One element I enjoyed, however underutilised in the series, was the Lovecraftian elements. They weren't knock-offs of the author's work, but came access like someone understood the implications of what Lovecraft was trying to say. Very impressive.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

But will I get to be a massive racist biggot to 'complement' all the gay troon bullshit?

in this day and age? FUCK NO! gone are the days when you could be a racist, sexist child killer thundercook that would sell the souls of children to fuel your own powers and taking the virginly of proud elves, just to cuck their beta males and have them killed off by wearwolfs.

oh, and selling elves to slavery for political gain and profit. god, i miss being evil sometimes.