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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Does anyone actually feel sorry for the traitor who fucked off to russia and got the Shamima Begum treatment in response?
:null: brought it up on his podcast and used it for the usual angloids suffah segment, but personally I feel that denouncing dirty rotten traitors (if you betray your country for a foreign power you are committing treason) is a good thing actually.
 
Lmao at the idea that young people could even afford to smoke in this country. It's like £16 a pack!

[B]Anyone who smokes already gets them from people bringing them in from abroad when they come back from holidays. Go to your local pub and you will find quarter-price fags available on the grey market. [/B]
 
Anyone who smokes already gets them from people bringing them in from abroad when they come back from holidays. Go to your local pub and you will find quarter-price fags available on the grey market.
You don't smoke. do you? or maybe it's not so islamisized where you're at.
Counterfeits dominate the market now and have done for a while, the old "buy 1000 packs on holiday" is a dead meme, blame the existence of Kurds.
 
You don't smoke. do you? or maybe it's not so islamisized where you're at.
Counterfeits dominate the market now and have done for a while, the old "buy 1000 packs on holiday" is a dead meme, blame the existence of Kurds.
I like an occasional puff (turns to look at femboy fart huffer), so I just buy a load of duty free in Turkey and make them last. That's about £2/pack, but I can only have them every now and then (which, to be fair, is probably a good thing).
 
I don't get smoking honestly. Tastes like shit and doesn't even feel good. Alcohol tastes nice and getting drunk feels nice. And the dog isn't going to magically also get drunk from just the aura. Banning it is retarded especially when a pack of fags is about 99% tax. Why are we banning fags when as far as I know the rates have been constantly dropping? Yea fags are the issue, don't look at any buildings in Glasgow and how every street is flooding with the same shit. I have literally never seen a child smoking fags. I have lost count of the amount I've seen vaping.
 
I've never smoked, but one time I had a dream where I started smoking, it tasted like smoke and I also felt as if I'd breathed in smoke. What do you think the outcome of the May elections will be? I heard it suggested Labour will hold on with a small majority and try to push another EU Referendum.
 
So it seems Starmer has bottled the emergency debate on the mandy affair this afternoon. I expected him to squeak through until may 7 to justify his exit with the locals, but I dont think hes going to last the week now.
The walls have been closing in on him about as quickly as they've been closing in on Trump.
I love the commons when it's full like that. It's basically a football stadium without any of that boring game getting in the way.
Does Milwall have any right honorable ministers representing it?

Are they the proper sort to represent Milwall?
 
I'll once again offer to make a pro-Warwick Davis thread should Starmer be out in the next 3 months. People nees to get it into their heads that the government does not care. They don't care about scandals and shame. Hundreds of thousands to millions of girls have been systematically raped by 85IQ subhumans. The government knew and took part. A fuckup about an ambassador knowing a nonce means nothing. You cannot debate away the mould infesting your foundations. This is just red meat to give the illusion that it matters.

Those in power will use their power to maintain their power, those without power cannot impactthis by fingerwagging.
 
It's Stephen Lawrence day! In honour of his memory, let us review the actual facts of the case rather than the slanted, media-friendly soundbite version:

- The killers initially got off because Lawrence's mate, Duwayne Brooks, chimped out at the first police officers on scene and made for such a piss-poor witness the case collapsed (Brooks subsequently entered politics, and now holds an OBE)
- The idea it was a racist attack is, at best, debatable, given the killers' track record of also attacking white people (by Brooks' own testimony, the killers cried 'what what! Nigger!' in the singular rather than the plural, introducing the possibility they were specificially targeting Lawrence)
- The Lawrence family made many complaints about how the police communicated with them, but that may have had something to do with how they (edit: the Lawrences) wanted to communicate exclusively through a sleazy race-hustling jeet lawyer who'd been qualified for less than two years
- The subsequent MacPherson Inquiry, having spent millions of pounds and thousands of man-hours, couldn't find any evidence of racism on the police's part beyond one of them using the expression 'coloured', and so fell back on more nebulous claims of 'institutional racism', and the idea that the definition of a racist incident should be ‘any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person’
- The MacPherson Report seriously recommended the criminalisation of racist remarks made in private
 
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I'll once again offer to make a pro-Warwick Davis thread should Starmer be out in the next 3 months. People nees to get it into their heads that the government does not care. They don't care about scandals and shame. Hundreds of thousands to millions of girls have been systematically raped by 85IQ subhumans. The government knew and took part. A fuckup about an ambassador knowing a nonce means nothing. You cannot debate away the mould infesting your foundations. This is just red meat to give the illusion that it matters.

Those in power will use their power to maintain their power, those without power cannot impactthis by fingerwagging.

It's not just that they don't care. They're typical niggers and pakis (and jeets, oh my) who hate white people,and self despising whites who are so blinded by their own self loathing they'll enable the aforementioned vermin, that actively hate us.

They want our daughters and sisters raped, they want our culture obliterated and they will do these things with a gleeful smile because they are so naive,so stupid and so self-centered,they genuinely believe, if they ally themselves with the invaders,they will be spared when the inevitable reckoning comes.

Anyone who forgets this, anyone who believes this will all right itself if we carry on giving the boat scum what they want,that things will all be okay if we just give the other colour of the uni party a chance next time, and that anything less than the removal of all of them,and their families will fix it,is as much of a problem as the people handing over our children and our society to them to be raped, sacked and pillaged.
 
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I have literally never seen a child smoking fags. I have lost count of the amount I've seen vaping.
I have but not since 2014. Vaping became a thing when I started sixth form so before then the kids behind the bike sheds in secondary school would smoke actual cigarettes. Nowadays they all vape instead.
 
From Reddit, Why hasn't Whitechapel gentrified?
Before anyone comes at me - I am a dual British/Canadian (ethnically half Pakistani, half Indian woman) who has lived in the UK for over a decade and a half, most of that time in East London. I'm simply sharing my thoughts and asking questions based on my current lived experience in the area, and from the cultural background I have from my own upbringing.

I have lived in Shoreditch/Whitechapel for around 8 (non consecutive) years. There's no argument that Shoreditch has gentrified - for better or for worse depending on how you feel about gentrification - but the endless amounts of coffee shops, restaurants, and hipsters attest to that fact. Yes the area has gotten more expensive as a result, but it also feels a lot safer and generally cleaner. Then you have Whitechapel.

Whitechapel reminds me of my traumatic summers at my grandmother's house in India, which was - to quote my own mother's words - "in a shithole town." Open gutters. Rubbish everywhere. Hoards of men just hanging out on the street at all hours. The pollution. The filth. The noise. The areas outside of Whitechapel station and neighbouring streets are exactly like that - litter everywhere, grimy corner/ shops with signs written entirely in Bengali, "travel agencies" which are not at all travel agencies or even open at all - just derelict buildings and shop fronts left to rot. It's literally like the mini India hellscape of my childhood. Don't get me started on Whitechapel market. The amount of daily rubbish left behind at the end of the day insane. Just over the weekend, I saw a man with a small child asking him to spit out his cough on the street - excuse me?! I literally stopped them and said no, we don't spit on the street here. If you need to cough something up carry a tissue and dispose of it in the bin. People may do that in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh but we sure as hell don't do it in Toronto where I grew up, nor in my opinion should it be done in London. It's absolutely disgusting, and just people most people around you may do it, doesn't give you the right to turn that area into the same slum.

As a brown woman, I often get a lot of side-eye from people in Whitechapel because I dress in a Western way and am not religious. On the occasions people speak in Hindi, I can understand the snide comments they make about me, so more than once I've heard people comment about how it was disgraceful that I was in 'revealing' clothing and that I should cover up. A few summers ago I went for a run in a sports bra and shorts, only to be stopped by a very old Bangladeshi man who told me that this was a "muslim area" and that I "can't wear that". I soundly told him to F straight off, and that if he talked to me again I'd be calling the police. It's absolute insanity to me that anyone - no matter where they're from - can consider coming to another country and tell people how to dress or behave as per the country they left. I've only been to Pakistan once with my dad where I was fully covered up. Summer and 45 degrees. Do I agree with it? No, but I did it because those the the rules of that country. I didn't parade around in short shorts because that's not what you do there. There is however, no such law or cultural norm in England, so no, I shant be covering up here.

Many people from many different countries have added rich contributions to Western countries. They've managed to do this in a way that preserves their culture, whilst also including people outside of that group. Do only Chinese people go to Chinatown? No, it's open to anyone from anywhere. Do only Indians eat at Indian restaurants? No. Yet in Whitechapel, all of the small dilapidated shops have the air of being so off-putting to anyone else that only other Bengalis would go there. Not just that, but the overall vibe created in Whitechapel is just disgusting. Why would you want to live in that filth? Why would you leave one country due to its problems only to recreate a lot of those same problems in the new place? I actually think a lot of Bengali restaurants /shops are missing a big trick here - if they cleaned up (literally) and started marketing towards other audiences, they'd actually see an improvement in footfall and sales. Take Tayyabs for example - a Pakistani restaurant who have in my view, struck the perfect balance - they've stayed true to their principles (they don't sell or serve alcohol) but allow their clientele to bring their own. The restaurant is clean, popular, and caters to everyone. Another great example is Momlette. Full English Breakfast with a Bengali twist. Perfect fusion, all cultural appreciation on both sides.

There is one independent coffee shop that I know of in the thick of Whitechapel that I literally think of as a "whyte person magnet." It's clean, and friendly, with good food and coffee. And it's actually so funny to see the almost exclusively white clientiele. I often see them and wonder where they live, because I certainly don't see a lot of caucasian people walking around Whitechapel neighbourhoods. We could have more of those types of all-inclusive coffee shops rather than the decrepit "BEX COFFEE" which has already changed names/hands twice from what I can see. There's a reason why Columbia road, with all of it's cute shops and restaurants, is visited often even outside of the market, whereas a street like Whitechapel high street isn't. It's filthy. It's chaotic. It's not meant for anyone who is not already used to the kind of frenzied dirty market you can see in countries like Bangladesh, India or Pakistan. I also want to be able to leave my home in clothes allowed in the Western world and not have people stare me down or make snide comments about me.

This begs the question: Why? Why hasn't Whitechapel gentrified - or at bare minimum - cleaned up? It's super well located and very central, especially with the Elizabeth Line. It also makes no sense to me because Shoreditch and Hackney - the latter further out than Whitechapel - have by and large cleaned up. So what's stopping Whitechapel? Why is it such a shithole compared to the areas around it? You can literally see the moment when Whitechapel transforms from grossness into decency - the intersection is Whitechapel High St and Osborn St (which is Brick Lane). The shops after that become more mainstream, cleaner, nicer. I don't think we can or should blame religion entirely for the state of Whitechapel. There are plenty of Turkish / Arabic areas / restaurants in London which are perfectly nice and open to all. Whitechapel seems to exist in isolation where an invisible barrier seems to prevent it from cleaning up/gentrifying, but all that does is allow its own condition to deteriorate as the people who live there seem perfectly content to turn into its own mini slum.

This is not meant to be a hateful post at all. However as someone who (half) comes from this culture, it's important that we be able to call out the actions of our own kinsmen. No one culture is perfect, they all have ugly sides. Hate is not acceptable; having spent time in Whitechapel though, I totally understand why someone would look at me, and my skin colour, and dislike me or wish for me not to be here. Many of the people in this area who look like me are happy to litter, spit, or tell people to cover up. That's not okay. We wouldn't accept a bunch of Americans to move into an area of London and then try to advocate for the right to carry. Those don't reflect the laws of England, and it's wrong to try to force people to live to your own religious/culture standards if you are outside of that country no matter where you are from.

ETA: It's not racist to want the people who look like you, and sometimes represent you (whether you want them to or not), to learn by example and do better. It's okay - necessary even - to look inwards at those facets of culture that you know have no place in another society. Some 'traditions' are best left behind. I'm asking for a clean, safe environment where men and women are treated equally and don't desecrate the areas in which they live, or harass people (mainly women).
Some interesting responses, mostly about how the Bengali community is structured in the UK and confirming a lot of what we know, that the new migrants are lower class/scum, alongside of 'waaah blame the landlords'. A couple 'well they live in an area that has multiple mosques and asian stores can you blame them for not integrating???' There are a few discussions about how its surprising that Canary Wharf/the surrounding area hasn't been able to fund/gentrify/improve these problem areas; which I found very interesting.
It's a combination of a lot of factors. I currently live in Tower Hamlets (TH), been here for 3 years. I'm a guy who likes to get to know the area around him in general. I've gone to the few almost wholly white areas of TH as well as the purely Bengali parts as well. Volunteer around the area, go to the local church, hang out with my buddies around Whitechapel sports centre, etc. I guess I'm probably a neutral commenter in the sense I'm not from London and I'm not white or South Asian (East Asian guy).

  • The Bengali community in TH overwhelmingly comes from relatively poor and uneducated backgrounds due to the historical roots of Bengali migration to the UK. I don't think it's a surprise to anyone poor and uneducated people generally have less civic sense. In comparison, the Arabs and Turks in London are generally middle/upper middle class.
    • Due to how chain migration works, this means the new migration from Bangladesh isn't middle class Bangladeshis but is still dominated by lower/lower-middle class Bangladeshis. TH has the highest rates of child poverty in the country from what I recall, largely due to the new or formerly immigrants in the area not being able to find well paid employment while also having large families.
    • Education, culture, and wealth have knock on effects and this means that children of those with poor education will perform worse even post opportunities given. This applies to any race, white or Bengali. This means a lot of kids who grow up in TH don't make much compared to the national average once they're working adults, let alone London. Keep this in mind.
  • Poorer communities are more insular and conservative in general, and I don't think it's a controversial claim to say Islam is one of the most conservative religions present in the UK. This is why the difference between British Arabs or even upper class British Pakistanis and British Bengalis (in TH), is so stark despite all being 'Muslim'.
    • This means there's also greater resistance to changes in the area, period. Even if it's for the betterment of the area. I've been told to my face that pedestrianising roads and building cycle paths was discriminative against the Bengali community and just for pandering to white people, by my Bengali ex (whose family doesn't own a car). I am an Chinese cyclist.
    • My impression is that civic and community sense beyond the family unit just isn't that strong here, which is doubly stark for me because I travel to East Asia every other year.
  • Because of the high amount of social housing, this means a lot of the Bengali community own outright due to right to buy, but can't move out due to not being able to afford London prices, renting or buying (see above point about income). Multi-generation homes are much more the norm, even compared to other ethnicities where whole families are in London.
    • It has to also be said that due to politics (Aspire are ethno-centric morons) and background, there is a significant culture of 'why shouldn't I take benefits' in the TH Bengali community. My aforementioned ex's mum refuses to let her move out, even if in the future she could afford it, unless it's social housing because it's free money in her eyes. This has been an attitude I've observed as recurrent.
    • There's a significant internal economy within TH itself, which is why if you're a 'typical London professional', shopping for food and stuff from Bengali owned shops/restaurants is fairly affordable; more in line with the rest of the South East than London. This is because prices are kept low for the community, and money circulates within the community with relatively little input from external inflows of cash (or outflows). This adds to the 'bubble' effect.
      • I'm in a relatively affluent area of TH and the local Bengali owned takeaways are pretty much the only place in London I can get a meal for less than £5 for, even if it's junk food.
    • House prices increasing was the primary mechanism that led to white Cockneys (who face it, have similar negative attitudes to education and aspiration) emigration out into nicer parts of Essex post-war and after. House prices have stagnated at a very high level for the last 5-10 years so this is no longer a viable mechanism for the current inhabitants.

All this means is that the amount of houses that are actually available for gentrification is low. Unlike previous demographics who lived in Whitechapel, like the Cockneys who moved into Essex, there are stronger elements limiting Bengali emigration out into other areas as well as cultural ones keeping them in.

Other than that, I can only extend my sympathies. Being an East Asian I feel like I get away with moving in between largely monoracial White and South Asian spaces a lot simply because they have no idea what to do with me compared to an South Asian woman who would inevitably be perceived as part of the 'in group'.
Adding to this, as a culture, we are less independent and focus around the community, faith (a conservative form of Sunni Islam), group economics and multi generational households due to cultural norms and expectations around marriage, family life and typical gender roles. So suddenly, you have a 2-4 bed council flat/house with a male breadwinner living with his parents, wife and children under a single roof.

As the years go by, the landlord is reluctant to leave because the property price has appreciated so much and they're in lower paid jobs working in curry houses, as taxi drivers etc. they cannot really afford to move and more understandably, they don't want to move because they have all the amenities and feel very settled to call somewhere home.

For example, you have Brick Lane mosque, East London mosque is a stones throw away, halal butchers, Bangladeshi green grocery stores, South Asian couture etc. it's comforting being amongst your own people and therefore, you aren't required to integrate and become insular without even trying to be. But can you blame them?

As the years go by, the children watch and learn this system they were born into. I will say that there is a real problem with that community in particular with claiming benefits from the state, at least historically there was, not sure now. No data to back this up, it's a generalisation. Many also work cash in hand jobs, lying about their income on paper, evading tax and claiming other top up allowances. The children of the next generation are taught all the wrong things from the one before them and the toxic cycle continues.
A fair few comments mentioning that they also can't walk down the street without getting stared at and how awful the people and Council are.
Yep, there’s a huge cultural shift that’s happened gradually in some places. It seems to have happened in a few of the Cities in the UK, and no one really wants to talk about it because of being accused of being racist. Feeling pressured to dress a certain way and having random men in the street make comments on your choice of clothes is intimidating and really not okay, I’m sorry you experienced that.
I'm not from the community just from nearby in London and I think you see most of the worst stereotypes and attributes in the Council. The fact that the Mayor is a man who was banned from standing for office for 5 years for election fraud then immediately reelected when the term ran out is startling.
As a man I never personally experienced those things but my ex partner simply did not feel comfortable in the area. She worked shift work in Shoreditch and if coming to mine I would always either meet her halfway or she would get an uber (which I would then always go down and wait for if it was late). Its pretty damning she would happily walk out of work in the middle of the drunk crowds of Shoreditch at 2AM but not start to feel uncomfortable until getting closer to mine. This is not something that was ever an issue in the other areas of London I or her have lived.
I respect you for this really well written post. But put simply, it's unsafe. I don't mind saying the elephant in the room that it's because majority Muslim areas are not where people want to be.

Leftist white people won't admit it as it kills their 'diversity is our greatest strength' mantra they've based their entire life on. Whitechapel would be unsafe to settle down and have kids in for the reasons you've said. Imagine raising a young daughter there or having your wife come home from a night out walking past large groups of men loitering.

It's a pattern. Places like Peckham and Brixton were safer for white leftist people to move to because the gang culture was easy to avoid. So you could go to a pub and by and large be safe. Might get mugged here and there. Or sucked as the term used to be 🤣, but gradually this became more cool.

Places where Muslims are the majority are very rarely (if ever) gentrified. The Muslim population increases hugely due to birth rates. Pubs eventually close down. We saw the horrible Pakistani rape gangs in towns across the north. Nobody wants to raise children in that environment.

Now, of course, thats not to say all Muslims or immigrants are this way. Indians have by and large come to this country and been fantastic. The vast majority of Muslims are great people.

When areas become majority Muslim though, there's not usually a way back. People won't move there if the area's Muslim population will continuously grow and grow.
And this interaction;
Hcmp1980 14 points 8 hours ago
I find the gangs of men intimidating.

[–]No-Taro-6953 15 points 6 hours ago
Why do they do that? Id love to know the mindset of standing in a big group just doing nothing but staring.
Like, grab a book or a newspaper or something if you've nothing to do?
Don't they have jobs, hobbies?
 
"Now, of course, thats not to say all Muslims or immigrants are this way. Indians have by and large come to this country and been fantastic. The vast majority of Muslims are great people."

People don't want to be in majority muslim areas and he recognises why but then "but also #notallmuslims most are actually totes cool". Like, I am reading from the same response, right?
 
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