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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Dr J]

He's already doing things outside the box, that's why he's popular.

He's just talking. He's saying the right things. Whether that actually translates into action remains to be seen.

Look, this is really just fantasy match-ups in boxing. You know, who would win in a fight between x, y and z. Interesting but pointless. Put them in the ring together, and we'll see who can do what. Until then all of this is just hypothetical

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Put them in the ring together, and we'll see who can do what.

I don't want them in a ring, I want them in the Colosseum with what they're afflicted on the general populace. I want our politicians trapped with every rapey murderous monster they've known they would never see the consequences from enabling themselves.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

I want our politicians trapped with every rapey murderous monster

I know I'm haha le fagguté but I don't exactly want to watch a million muslims rape kier. I don't want to watch him get raped to death. I want him to be strapped to a chair and forced to answer questions directly while making eye contact and for every time he deflects or waffles on about some unrelated shit a sex tape of him bumming Ukranian twinks is played in full on every live tv channel.

 

[Airstrip One]

I don't want them in a ring, I want them in the Colosseum with what they're afflicted on the general populace. I want our politicians trapped with every rapey murderous monster they've known they would never see the consequences from enabling themselves.

Axel Rudakubana vs the Labour Party front bench is a fight that I would pay to see. The Rwandan Ravager gets a machete. Everybody else gets wooden sporks (subject to a background check).

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Axel Rudakubana vs the Labour Party front bench is a fight that I would pay to see. The Rwandan Ravager gets a machete. Everybody else gets wooden sporks (subject to a background check).

Even if they had swords (obviously would have to take place outside westminster for legal reasons) they'd still be fucked. I forget exactly what it was but I remember reading some old book about swords where they were basically just fucking stumped on what to do when it came to people like rudakabuana. All of the systems and shit they had kinda expected the other person to be on some level playing field and have some sort of training. Then when they came up against absolute spastics with no idea what they're doing or no self preservation they started having problems because they would basically impale themselves into a guard. Instead of staying away from the sharp pointy object they would just run into it and try stab/club the European to death.

 

[tack så mycket]

I think that matters a lot more than you think it does. Something something overton window.

I agree with this. I think it's pie-in-the-sky to believe that Lowe could win a general election imminently, but his banging of the deportations/remigration drum is extremely constructive because it at least keeps the concept of removing the parasites in the forefront of people's minds. This idea needs to be normalised to the point where people can talk about it openly, and he is facilitating that.

We've been living in this insane situation where we can all clearly see the imports attacking and destroying our society for years, and we've not been allowed to say anything about it out loud. If Lowe opens people's eyes and gives them permission to notice, that alone is a massive contribution.

I do personally think that there will be no civilised solution to the current situation, because it's already too late; but I think Lowe is at least giving people permission to acknowledge that the situation exists.

 

[Overly Serious]

Even if they had swords (obviously would have to take place outside westminster for legal reasons) they'd still be fucked. I forget exactly what it was but I remember reading some old book about swords where they were basically just fucking stumped on what to do when it came to people like rudakabuana. All of the systems and shit they had kinda expected the other person to be on some level playing field and have some sort of training. Then when they came up against absolute spastics with no idea what they're doing or no self preservation they started having problems because they would basically impale themselves into a guard. Instead of staying away from the sharp pointy object they would just run into it and try stab/club the European to death.

If you give two people who don't know what they're doing knives, you'll probably end up with two dead people. It's not that skill isn't an advantage, but not caring about defence is a big advantage in itself. Armed fights between skilled people are about being the one who walks away afterwards. If the other person is some flailing lunatic then in a way, they actually are more dangerous. For that one fight, at least. But I'd still rather have a sword (of an appropriate kind) when facing some murderous thug than just a knife. Actually I'd like both. The knife for when I'm not sure if something is going to kick off or not and just want something in my hand if they get in close, and a sword if its your scenario and I know the attack is coming and can hopefully kill the fucker before he can stab me too much.

The fight at the end of Rob Roy remains one of the greatest sword fights put to screen. But I wont link it because if you haven't seen the movie, you absolutely must watch it before the scene.

As to Rupert Lowe and someone's comment about not knowing if he'd actually follow through on things if he got into power, I'd point out that he is following through on things now. In addition to being the sort of MP every constituency should want in that he actually shows up and works on committees and represents them, he was the force behind raising the funds and carrying out the very important rape gang inquiry. Plus as @tack så mycket points out, he's grabbing the Overton Window and forcibly dragging it back to where it should be and putting the wind up pretenders like Reform something chronic.

 

[teriyakiburns]

So he'd have to fire a lot of them.

Probably why that's part of Restore's policy platform.

Which is actually a point against him. Because he's career politics and part of the system he's less likely to think outside of the box in terms of solutions. He's also less likely to be independently wealthy enough to be able to finance his own campaign

He's not a career politician, though. He made a multi-million fortune in property, so he's wealthy enough, and only dabbled in politics prior to 2019, when he briefly sat in the EU parliament. He only entered the commons in 2024 under Reform. He's spent more time farming and running a football club than in politics, but in the time he's been there, he's been actively engaged on behalf of his constituents. You can call this being "part of the system" and say he should be different, but then you're essentially asking him to disengage from Parliament entirely, which would make him another Farage. A useless grandstander. The fact that he's actually representing his constituents and holding people to account in committee, rather than just making grand speeches in the house, in between swanning off to America, is why he is different. An MP who actually represents the people who voted for him is a rare thing, these days.

I feel like you're judging the man without actually understanding him or his party's position on many things, and that you're maybe judging him by what you've been told about him, rather than the policies Restore have presented. He's made it quite clear that getting his agenda through Parliament would require root and branch reform of the civil service, starting with mass firings, and that it's not a case of just waving a magic wand to fix everything. Restore have been releasing serious, fairly comprehensive policy documents for the last few months and are promising more detail as they go, so it's not like they're just making bland, say-nothing statements and letting people project their hopes onto it.

I don't want to sound like an uncritical supporter (like Farage, Habib, and zia yusuf, he did come from the finance world, which is reason enough to be sceptical by itself), but it's hard not to take a contrary position when people are coming out with such poorly-informed takes as these.

 

[Dr J]

I feel like you're judging the man without actually understanding him or his party's position on many things, and that you're maybe judging him by what you've been told about him

I've read his own comments

He's made it quite clear that getting his agenda through Parliament would require root and branch reform of the civil service, starting with mass firings, and that it's not a case of just waving a magic wand to fix everything. Restore have been releasing serious, fairly comprehensive policy documents for the last few months and are promising more detail as they go, so it's not like they're just making bland, say-nothing statements and letting people project their hopes onto it.

Yes but my point is there is a huge difference between saying it and actually doing it. We don't know if he's even electorally viable (which means he can basically say whatever the fuck he likes) and we certainly don't know what kind of animal he'd actually turn out to be if people actually gave him power.

Everybody thinks they're going to clean up the system. Then they actually get in power and they realise just how hard it is. The system doesn't want to be cleaned up, and systems by design are hard to change from the inside

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Axel Rudakubana vs the Labour Party front bench is a fight that I would pay to see. The Rwandan Ravager gets a machete. Everybody else gets wooden sporks (subject to a background check).

The 63 year old grandad who tried to intervene on that attack had nothing, they get the same.

Any MP subject to this gets a stab wound per decade younger they are than that fellow followed by one into each major limb if they ever tried to downplay the attack in any manner including, "the real crimes were the riots."

 

[teriyakiburns]

Yes but my point is there is a huge difference between saying it and actually doing it.

At least he's actually fucking saying it.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Yes but my point is there is a huge difference between saying it and actually doing it.

He promised an inquiry into the grooming gangs.
He delivered an inquiry into the grooming gangs.

He promised us statistics on the things that get covered up.
He delivered the statistics on the things that get covered up.

He has done more good for this country as just an mp than keir has tried to do as pm. Maybe he is just putting on a show and wouldn't actually do anything. But so will the rest of them. If the choice is useless faggot who does nothing and loves muslims or useless faggot who does nothing but doesn't love muslims then I'm still picking the latter. He doesn't have to fix the country. Literally all he needs to do is not make it worse like keir. Literally just don't give migrants every single luxury in the country and just say no to digital id and ofcom, that's it. Nothing is preferable to labour or the greens. His opponents are labour and reform, both led by spineless cucks that u turn on everything they say, the tories that I have heard literally nothing about at all, and the fucking greens who are the fucking greens. It's not hard to be better than the opposition.

 

[Overly Serious]

Yes but my point is there is a huge difference between saying it and actually doing it.

But we have good reason to see him actually trying to deliver on his promise because we see things like the Rape Gang Inquiry he's already done. And he's not self-aggrandizing in any of this that I've seen. It would be very easy for him to sit back and let the government crank out its own inquiry. Or rather "inquiry". And as pointed out, he's having a positive effect on politics just by starting Restore. Unless you're one who thinks Farage and Reform will deliver and that he's taking away from their chances. But I am not such a one. I would honestly vote Tory over Reform. I mean, Reform is mostly made up of the worst Tories anyway. And their campaign and party staff are mostly Tory campaign staff hired over if you don't know.

There are two questions - can Rupert Lowe turn things around and would he actually try? For the latter part, I'm confident he would and that alone puts him ahead of Farage or Labour leaders.

Everybody thinks they're going to clean up the system. Then they actually get in power and they realise just how hard it is. The system doesn't want to be cleaned up, and systems by design are hard to change from the inside

Now this is to the first question - can he do it? Well I'll vote for the person who is willing to try over those who wont even do that. This is basic logic. But I think he will do a lot of good, actually. He's going to make a lot of the problems - such as the entrenched Civil Service establishment - very visible. That's good. We have Liz Truss's experience to draw on. In interview she was talking about specific laws that need to be repealed to restore power to the government from the Civil Service. The worse things get in the UK, the more there will be political will to do so and it is critical that when things get bad even worse, we have someone like Lowe in place to capitalise on that. Lowe is already an MP and familiar with the way government works (and doesn't). It seems to me that you're trying to have your cake and eat it with your criticisms. He's not to be trusted because he's a politician (now). But also to fight these battles, he needs to be someone with experience within the system.

At the end though, he's the best shot we have I think. Logically, you take the best shot you have even if you can't know what will happen for certain.

 

[Heinrich Maneuver]

Rupert Lowe even talking about the immigration problem has forced Reform and the Tories to 'get tougher' (policy strength; highly debatable) and brought immigration to the forefront of the political conversation. The more he talks about it and lays out 'deport them all', the more support he gets, (alongside support for the death penalty and other very popular policies), the more the 'Overton window' shifts.
Even if the media/wider conversation wants to ignore him, the political parties cannot, because he has had a very real impact on the Right, which has caused Labour to make feeble attempts at deportation so they look like they are doing something. The public mood RE immigration has shifted and it's now more acceptable to discuss it, if the 'Establishment' ignores it, people will turn to Lowe, and The MPs That Be will lose their jobs, so they have to talk immigration to stay in power. Restore (and Reform) are large enough ''threats'' for immigrants to write think pieces about going home. His attitude of 'making the environment so bad for them they fuck off' is something anyone can do.
Lowe/Restore have also caused many people, who have not been involved in politics before, to sign up for his party (if you believe the stats), imho the turnout for the election will be higher than Brexits. They aren't some 'extremist' party the mainstream can ignore, like how Labour ignores the Communist party. All major parties have had to respond to Restore.
ETA: Burnham spotted at Angela Rayners house last night. Tick tick tick

original article becoz archive isnt working

 

[teriyakiburns]

ETA: Burnham spotted at Angela Rayners house last night. Tick tick tick

He saw an opening to stand in a different ward and lost his deposit.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

He has done more good for this country as just an mp than keir has tried to do as pm.

Faulty argument, it relies on a belief that Keir has tried to do anything good for the country since elected as PM.

 

[Overly Serious]

Faulty argument, it relies on a belief that Keir has tried to do anything good for the country since elected as PM.

The one and only good thing Kier has done, is not jump into this Iran debacle when Trump told him to. But I doubt that's out of any moral reason or sudden discovery of a backbone, so much as he can't imagine doing anything without the UN telling him its okay.

 

[Otterly]

Yes but my point is there is a huge difference between saying it and actually doing it.

Even saying it is massive. The more people say it, the more traction it gets. We have spent years with our speech and language policed to the point that even mentioning re migration gets you labelled as a far right bigoted nazi racist whatever.
I’m not expecting a perfect solution, or so e sort of utopia. I want someone to say they will do something, and then do it, or at least get started and get some (non labour ) momentum

 

[Clem Fandango]

The one and only good thing Kier has done, is not jump into this Iran debacle when Trump told him to. But I doubt that's out of any moral reason or sudden discovery of a backbone, so much as he can't imagine doing anything without the UN telling him its okay.

Even a stopped cock is right twice a day.

 

[Fun Factory]

Rupert Lowe even talking about the immigration problem has forced Reform and the Tories to 'get tougher' (policy strength; highly debatable)

Just by way of comparison, here's how BASED BORIS was talking about the grooming gangs at a time when he had a massive majority and EPIC FARAGE had endorsed him as the saviour of Brexit: