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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Lowe seems like the best alternative choice, he's not cucked like Farage and stuck to his guns...which is why Farage stabbed him in the back.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

6,000,000 impressions

Okay, sure, maybe those impressions happened. But six million? Come on bro, there's no way it's that many. Logistically it's not possible.

 

[Heinrich Maneuver]

I think so, out of all the UK politicians, Lowe has an imprint that is greater than Farage's. He has about 6,000,000 impressions weekly and is the most retweeted too. He is respected even cross party, and Reform knows that they cannot attack Lowe because a lot of their supporters are Lowe satellites. He is also a business and farm owner and is much loved in his constituency.

There is a reason Starmer tries to restrict questions from him because Lowe is the embodiment of what the Overturn window is currently. Internationally, too, he would do very well. I imagine Meloni, Tusk, and Orbin would love him; Trump and the GOP would adore him.

A FindOutNow poll found that 9% of 1000 would vote for Lowe in an election. Devastating Yankification/Presidentialisation aside, that's pretty huge for a single politician, without campaigning or a party.

 

[Sensitive Young Man]

 

[femboy fart huffer]

that's pretty huge for a single politician, without campaigning or a party.

That's pretty big until someone tells you that the greens are twice as popular as you are. That's cause for suicide really.

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Someone get my guy a blonde wig and a sofa ffs.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Mogg chimes in, and is huffing so much copium that I expected the video to end with him saying "Half Life 3 is confirmed, chuds." What a deluded fucking take. "Kemi is showing that she's a strong leader who can make the needed changes!" This is the same woman that has panic attacks, rocks up late to ministerial meetings and spends most of her day on tiktok. Fucking lunacy.

 

[Overly Serious]

Would a Lowe party even be viable? Would he be able to peel off enough Reform/Conservative voters for 2029?

In addition to what others have said both about Lowe and about Farage, it's worth a reminder that Labour will likely drag out their term as long as possible before calling a General Election. Short of some lucky upswing they decide to leap on to try to reset the clock without losing too many seats. But that's what Theresa May did and we all saw how badly that backfired on her. What I'm saying is that Lowe and any party he's associated with, have quite a long time to win people over from Reform. And if Lowe has a solid party with a united core, the main advantage that Reform will have will be playing the "don't split the vote" card as loudly and as often as they can. But if the only thing keeping you in the front is the belief that the preferred option wont get enough votes, you're in a precarious position that can tip over very quickly. Reform are still in part a protest vote against the Tories and Labour. And protest voters aren't that loyal.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

If Lowe grows a Chaplin mustache I will vote for him. If he doesn't.. I might vote for him.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Not been a good week for my fellow sheepshagger.

Eh, he's welsh, he should be used to being treated like shit by the English. I'll keep a steak bake warm for him when he wants to come back.

 

[Clem Fandango]

If there's any consolidation. Despite reform polling lower the right's vote hasn't decreased it's only been split.

That's the problem. We'd all coalesced around Reform and it was a fucking miracle. It was the highest polling party.

In our system, a split in the vote is death. You can play around with the sliders on these prediction websites. It was only going to work because it was just Reform taking first place in hundreds of seats simultaneously. Two, three or four right wing parties LOSES. You don't get a coalition, you get a fucking Labour minority government with a 17% voteshare.

 

[Smyrna]

The next general election is over 3 years away.

If Rupert is going to start a party, there probably isn't going to be a better time than now. Today has crystalised some elements of right-wing politics in the UK for the forseeable. I think you can take it to the bank that the Tories will now begin drifting away from the harder line on immigration that they had been adopting, simply because Jenrick was the main driver of that and none of the noobs (Timothy, Rankin, Lam etc.) have the clout to pick up that torch. So the party as a whole will move back towards its post-Cameron position, where they make noises every so often about fixing the problem but the presence of Patel, Stride and Cleverly guarantee that nothing revolutionary is proposed. So, on the issue of immigration, they are no longer a threat.

Reform's path also looks clearer. If I were a supporter of the party, I would consider Jenrick's defection to be a victory - in the short term. He and his staff are accomplished at media and putting a message out, and unlike Zahawi and the rest of the dustbin he can plausibly claim to have traveled the road to Damascus, metaphorically speaking. Since he resigned from the government he has not muddled his message on immigration in any way. Is it sincere? I don't know, but now he is committed to the bit. He is also, obviously, Reform's biggest prize acquisition so far. But the long term is murkier, simply because Farage cannot stand not being the circus master. He cannot cope with someone on his team getting more attention than he does. Unlike Kruger, Jenrick is clearly not content to stay in the background and do the job of trying to get ready for government. Reform will put Jenrick front-and-centre for the local elections and he will then expect to stay there. Can Farage swallow his pride for the first time in his political career and give the spotlight to someone else? If not, then this partnership might not last even until the election.

So from Lowe's perspective, the opportunity now presents itself. And I think today helped him because it narrowed his options down considerably. I think that he was absolutely considering joining the Tories on the proviso that Jenrick and his allies would putsch Badenoch at the first opportunity and sideline all of the wets like Patel and Cleverly, which would then leave the door open for him to join and immediately enter the shadow Cabinet. With Jenrick gone, Badenoch is secure, and the Lowe-friendly wing of the party is now holed below the waterline. That option is dead. Which leaves the option of creating his own party. If plan A was to join the Tories, plan B would have been to launch a new party with a cluster of Tories led by Jenrick in the event that they couldn't topple Badenoch. Now that Jenrick has thrown his lot in with Reform, it leaves plan C - launch a new party with very loud 'outsider' messaging. As you can see from his X post, part of the pitch is to denounce and exclude all MPs who got us to this point.

 

[Overly Serious]

That's the problem. We'd all coalesced around Reform and it was a fucking miracle. It was the highest polling party.

In our system, a split in the vote is death. You can play around with the sliders on these prediction websites. It was only going to work because it was just Reform taking first place in hundreds of seats simultaneously. Two, three or four right wing parties LOSES. You don't get a coalition, you get a fucking Labour minority government with a 17% voteshare.

Yes. But They™ know this and use it. Time and again you're presented with Bad Option A and Worse Option B and the public goes, "well, we don't want B". They™ know this when they put up the options. And when someone says what about Option C, they get told it'll just result in Option B so they'd better vote for A or else.

What you say is true, but it's a rigged game. The only winning move is to reject the set up and bring your own pieces. The reason Trump was able to get in was because he was supposed to be the B option and they miscalculated just how greatly A was disliked.

Sometimes it takes a while to build momentum and get where you're going. But changing direction to somewhere you don't want to go because it's nearer isn't the best move. But that's what happens every election. You only actually get there if you remain true to what you believe in. And Reform's polling shows that there are enough people who want this. IF a party offers it.

You can have a chance of getting what you want. Or you can have a certainty of not getting it but a greater chance of a few treats for not trying.

Don't mean to come at you personally with this, but you can either play to win or you can choose to lose more slowly.

EDIT: I should also add that a strong party even if not dominating, creates a pressure to move towards its position to try and steal the votes. If Reform start losing people to a new party that sticks to the original goals of reversing the mass migration, then Reform feels pressure to stick to it too. The Tories feel pressure as well. The very existence of a party that wants these things, if it has numbers, pushes the whole scene that way in a way that two compromised parties cannot.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Lowe party in charge with reform opposition? Could be fun.

My rainbow budget for this thread recently increased for some reason, enjoy.

But yes that would be hilarious. The only thing I could see funnier would be a Reform -Green coalition opposition.

Okay that's not true. Reform-Your Party coalition. But I like to stop the insanity somewhere.

 

[Really makes you thunk]

I imagine he is moving to Lowe's group. Quite an astute move for Kemi as it binds Farage. It also makes it look like Farage goes around scraping the dregs of the Tory party. This could be massive for Lowe, as MPs could go to him instead. He is clearly a better leader and much more of a team player.

I'm guessing Lowe will not take him.

 

[A-Logato]

Jenrick going over to Reform after the disastrous muzie doing the same a couple of days earlier is really not beating the accusation that it is just a retirement home for Tories. I'm in a weird way interested to see how a Reform government will go just to see how badly it is going to go when all these Tories block Nigel on the 1 day of the year he remembers he's right wing.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

Yeah, that scuppers that, but call it cope, I think this is better. Jenrick is done now. I do not think Reform will last the year, honestly. These MPs are retarded as going to Farage is the mark of death. Remember, Lowe did not go to Farage. These fuckers did, but at the same time forgot this extensive political party kill list.

I expect Lowe wants to take the good MPs, there are actually some. I do like that Lowe did not sign with Habib; I have a strong feeling it is due to his ethnicity, as it would look pretty contradictory. Expect polling for Reform to tank over the next week.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

There's something hilarious about how the left wing papers spent months trying to humiliate Farage with the schoolboy racism shit (which didn't do shit, if anything made him BETTER for Reform voters) only for Farage to shoot himself in the fucking foot by flooding the party with muslims, niggers and political faillures. Every single fucking person who has defected to Reforrm should have been told to fuck off and plan for a life outside of politics.

Jendrick literally only makes sense if Farage has one foot out of the door and needs a leader replacement sorted by the next election.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Okay that's not true. Reform-Your Party coalition. But I like to stop the insanity somewhere.

A lot less insane than you might think. A hard left/nationalist alliance isn't entirely without precedent. One of the core BNP policy planks was nationalisation of most industry, alongside closing the border and expelling foreigners.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

A lot less insane than you might think. A hard left/nationalist alliance isn't entirely without precedent. One of the core BNP policy planks was nationalisation of most industry, alongside closing the border and expelling foreigners.

While plausible as things currently stand I don't think either of the primary wings of Your Party care about nationalisation.

There's the pro-Hamas side with Jeremy and then there's the trans women are women ring with Zahra. While Jeremy has muttered about nationalisation of industry in the past these days that is a secondary priority after nuking Israel for his allies.

 

[Overdrive]

I knew that ar nige could never truly be trusted but I thought maybe Reform could at least be the wedge that opened things up to allow better things to follow, but no they're just the same pile of shit we've been eating this entire time with a different coloured rosette on it.