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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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People also think that Farage will be forever - no, he won't. Not long after becoming PM, we'll then need to plan the second phase which will be to pivot the party towards the right thereby doing what a lot of people here want if it alligns with current thinking and is dobale. Farage will do a few years and then will hopefully be replaced by a younger leader and at that point or shortly after (three to five years) we'll then need to plan for legacy candidates to stand for office - young patriots who can do 10-15 even 20 years as the PM in order to allow for long term stability. It's ironic that in the modern era we've only had two PM's who have made it to 10 years (Thatcher and Blair) with Major only managing just under seven and Cameron getting six years and one month.
The level of cope here is hilarious. The guy who compared you to a guy dating a BPD whore is spot on.
 
What we call conservative would 50 years ago be called communism. - Ian Fleming, Casino Royale 1953.

Something to ponder on with regards to reform.
 
Let's look at illegal migration - I want this ended much as everybody else here, but how do we achieve it and also secure the country's borders? The answer is that we will need a strong military deterrent, but some within the Royal Navy have given the impression that that they'd disobey orders because woke has infested the ranks.
I'd argue the opposite from what I know personally in the military. There's a reason why every few years they have to purge due to National Front (or various proscribed far right groups) infiltrating it.

Anyways, all I know is no matter what, I'm voting Reform for the foreseeable future (not like there's any other option left at the moment in terms of muh democracy, what a sad state of affairs). If it works it works. If it doesn't work then people will finally learn there's no reasonable option left (took them long enough).
 
The level of cope here is hilarious. The guy who compared you to a guy dating a BPD whore is spot on.
Come on then, the floor is all yours oh autistic one...

How would you prepare a right-wing party for power, knowing that within the next 12-18 months it is likely at any time the current Government will fall?

Who are you going to appoint in your Cabinet?
What policies are you going to enact on day one of Government?

How are you going to see off the challenge of your opponents, who will back one main left-wing party in each constituency in a madcap effort to defeat your PPC's?

How will you stop the EU, UN, Soros, WEF/NWO etc. from scuppering your plans?

How will you defend the UK from migrant invaders?

I am all of the ears..

*POPCORN*

@evrae The same also used to be true with Prison Guards - a neighbour of mine was a Guard in Cardiff Prison back in the 2000s when a lot of them were National Front or BNP members. Since 2014, you cannot be a Prison Guard and be a member of these parties - even Britain First is now on the 'banned' list and no doubt Labour will push to get Reform UK banned as well.
 
et's look at illegal migration - I want this ended much as everybody else here, but how do we achieve it and also secure the country's borders? The answer is that we will need a strong military deterrent, but some within the Royal Navy have given the impression that that they'd disobey orders because woke has infested the ranks.
We need the administrative and legal subversion brought about by Blair reversed. I do g think anyone’s invading us militarily - they’re going it legally, via all the laws Blair’s era got on the books.
 
If anything, I'm almost scared of voting now.

I've been of voting age for 3 decades and in recent years I've seen the party I always preferred to vote for descend into a festering mess of gutless arseholes who don't even know what a Woman is, so I've not voted for them for a very long time.

Other parties wriggle out of their promises or move the goalposts, or, as we are seeing at the moment, acting almost with complete contempt towards the people.

I voted for Reform at the last election, one reason being the candidate actually made the effort to engage with the electorate throughout the year, not just in the weeks leading up to an election.

There were things about their policies/manifesto (whatever the correct phrase is) that I didn't quite understand, but he explained it to me in a non-condescending way.

We had many brief conversations in passing over a few months, he always recognised me (I'm Blind so that's easy for him to do!) and gave a "hello", used my name, and asked how my businesses are doing, just general, lighthearted chit chat, even a few differences of opinion (not necessarily politically related) which we used as little digs at each other in future conversations.

On both our sides some of these difference of opinion lead to questions a few months down the line "You remember you mentioned such-and-such, I've been thinking about that...is it anything to do with blahblahblah etc".

I don't agree with every single thing about Reform, and there are things I don't understand, however
Compared to the fake niceness, fake politeness, and even barely concealed sneers I've experienced from other parties candidates (especially when asking for clarification on something) it was refreshing that he was happy to engage in a bit of banter.

Even if that also was fake, at least he treated me like a human being.

I feel that no matter who I vote for, they won't keep their promises and I'll be fxkd either way.

To me, at the moment, It's all Distrust, Disillusionment, and Dickheads.

Pass the Steak Bake, please.
 
We need the administrative and legal subversion brought about by Blair reversed. I do g think anyone’s invading us militarily - they’re going it legally, via all the laws Blair’s era got on the books.
Very well said, and that would be a key victory.

A Bill in Parliament to undo this would pass if Reform UK had an outright majority.
 
What doesn’t frighten me is that Reform are a bunch of sellouts who will fail. I had a bit too much copium and thought maybe there was a chance they were mad enough to change things.

Nope, they’ll deport all the boat monkeys but legally import the entire of South Asia because GDP line go up.

The thing that terrifies me is when Fat Baz realises he’s been sold out and who he wants to lead next. There might not even be a vote for the government that comes after that.

We are making our self into Yugoslavia; not by bunching together a bunch of ethnicities , religions, languages, and cultures that had been in the same region for centuries that hate each other, but wholesale importing them.

Rather than saying, “fuck, this needs to stop”, Reform’s major concern is fucking name calling.

“At least they couldn’t call me racist” isn’t going to do you much good when Fat Baz has been doing cardio, fits into a smart uniform, and is running a death squad.
 
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we've seen what a catastrophic failure an under qualified and fraudster has done at the helm (Thieves) and the experience of office Zahawi has, if nothing else is useful.
You mean like the fraudster Farage just brought in who sues people who ask why he's got government funding to heat his shed?
, we'll then need to plan the second phase which will be to pivot the party towards the right thereby doing what a lot of people here want if it alligns with current thinking and is dobale.
I want to understand your plan here. Tell me where I'm wrong.

1. We start a new party
2. We fill it with foreign business men at the highest levels of power
3. We remove the one white guy
4. We have a pro-white ethnic British party that removes all the foreign men.

Is that correct? I just want to be clear and understand your point. You want to fill all the power positions with foreigners and then right as the last white man leaves reveal you're actually the national front in disguise?
We'd then also face the prospect of the UN and EU declaring war on us for going against what they want - could we realistically defend ourselves from a) invading migrants and b) invading armies backed by the UN and EU? No, therefore we'd need to form an alliance with the USA who could be prepared to save our arses for the right price. That way, and even if we have to bring Russia back in 'from the cold' we'd save ourselves and also defeat the UN and EU - the UK quitting the UN and ECHR needs to happen, but don't think that they'd leave us alone if we left as these people don't do defeat.
There is zero chance the UN and EU try to invade Britain. They would use economy warfare not any actual troops. And they're all terrified of Russia any way. The moment they tried it Russia would steam roll Europe and the US would completely side with the UK and send in masses of support within hours.

You're living in a fantasy novel man. Just stop. It's painful at this point. Cuppa, biscuit, ask why you're so in bed with Reform you can't see whats happening here.

Reading the wikipedia page in full instead of just skimming.

In 2022, Zahawi drew up guidance on how to accommodate transgender pupils with input from Suella Braverman, the then attorney-general. He suggested that schools could allow, for example, children to use lavatories and changing facilities of their gender identity if it differs from their biological sex only when they are not in use by others.

Pro tranny. Responsible for covid lockdowns. Grooms kids into global warming bollocks. Said poor parents want to pay for school meals instead of getting them free. Is on a council for Kurdish political influence in the UK. Gives dodgy loans to his family and doesn't report them. Uses tax havens to buy houses and have an 7 figure ooopsy with the tax man he gets a slap on the wrist from. Working for May and Boris. Russian scare mongering. Wanted Boris BACK as PM. Because of where he was born (not here) he gets hit with travel bans due to Islamic state. Including to the US which is a bit of a fucking issue if you want to cozy up to Trump as Reform needs to do.

At this point Farage may as well just get Boris on the old blower. Tell him Del boys got a nice political party he can join. Found some nice new ties in the back of a van and he's got a great deal for him. Come save the white race with his sand nigger mates and he'll do him half off. He can even claim government expenses to fund his rent boy sex dungeon like Zahawi does his stables.
 
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How would you prepare a right-wing party for power, knowing that within the next 12-18 months it is likely at any time the current Government will fall?

Who are you going to appoint in your Cabinet?
What policies are you going to enact on day one of Government?

How are you going to see off the challenge of your opponents, who will back one main left-wing party in each constituency in a madcap effort to defeat your PPC's?

How will you stop the EU, UN, Soros, WEF/NWO etc. from scuppering your plans?

How will you defend the UK from migrant invaders?

I am all of the ears..

*POPCORN*
You first, all you have is some fantasy that involves a bunch of darkies and farage.
 
There's little point in debating this with you anymore @Kofi Drinka - you are quite determined that you are right and anything I dare reply with is automatically wrong.

Blocked and moving on.

You first, all you have is some fantasy that involves a bunch of darkies and farage.
No, you - I insist.

Otherwise I win by default - I have given detailed reasons as to why I can understand though not necessarily agree with Farage's thinking.

All you have done is acted like a brat and said 'no, you..'

If you cannot sensibly debate then shoo.
 
There's little point in debating this with you anymore @Kofi Drinka - you are quite determined that you are right and anything I dare reply with is automatically wrong.

Blocked and moving on.
lol. He speaks the truth and you act like a baby.
No, you - I insist.

Otherwise I win by default - I have given detailed reasons as to why I can understand though not necessarily agree with Farage's thinking.

All you have done is acted like a brat and said 'no, you..'

If you cannot sensibly debate then shoo.
Reddit tier faggotry right here.
 
Come on then, the floor is all yours oh autistic one...

How would you prepare a right-wing party for power, knowing that within the next 12-18 months it is likely at any time the current Government will fall?

Who are you going to appoint in your Cabinet?
What policies are you going to enact on day one of Government?

How are you going to see off the challenge of your opponents, who will back one main left-wing party in each constituency in a madcap effort to defeat your PPC's?

How will you stop the EU, UN, Soros, WEF/NWO etc. from scuppering your plans?

How will you defend the UK from migrant invaders?

I am all of the ears..

*POPCORN*
I'd just do what Nigel did, without also sucking brown cock.

I don't mean to be a dick here, but this isn't some 5D chess move from Farage, he just doesn't have an issue having a bunch of shysty foreigners who have financially and culturally raped the country. You don't need some master plan, or some sort of big brain moment, Farage can literally just not let in all the non whites that will actively and aggressively police the party into just being Cons 2: "AHAHAHA YOU FELL FOR IT" Boogaloo.

What about this is so genuinely hard for you to understand? He's not doing 5D chess, he's just fucking you and me and everyone else over, because that's what Farage does. There's no secret Hitler plan, and as long as Farage and his browns are in the party, it's never going to happen, because they will just kick you out if you try it. I'm not a helicopter pilot, I can't fly one, never have. If someone ploughed a helicopter through my roof one day, I can rightly point at the flaming wreck and go "Yeah, that's fucked." You don't need a comprehensive breakdown of an entirely new party and plan to say "Farage inviting in all the scum of all the parties, while having a Muslim tumour co-running the party with him, and actively suppressing anyone right of centre" is a sign that he's shit and is going to fuck us.

Very well said, and that would be a key victory.

A Bill in Parliament to undo this would pass if Reform UK had an outright majority.
"Could." It could pass if Reform had an outright majority. Much in the same way I could go jump in the river if I wanted to. I want to take a moment to actually talk about Reforms policies as they are laid out in their pen and paper documents. Because while a lot of it is good, a lot of it is not. Primarily the parts that aren't economic, are not very good.
On immigration:
Strict limits on immigration are the only way to
relieve the pressure on our housing, public services,
increase wages and protect our culture, identity and
values. Essential skills, mainly around healthcare,
must be the only exception. "
This, is a nothing statement. It is not a promise of anything and has the exact same caveats as the current government does. Farage can quite literally change nothing, and still point to this statement as being correct; because 'Essential Skill's' is a meaningless term.
On hate crime
The CPS and police definition of a hate crime hasled to systemic bias. Members of the British publicmust not be investigated because ‘any’ person‘perceives’ that a hate crime has been committed
This is another nothing statement. It is a promise that they will not do this very, very, very niche and specific thing. They can however just change the wording slightly, claim victory and go ahead still using the mechanism of state as they want.
On rape gangs
Deport offenders holding dual citizenship. Makechild grooming an aggravating offence. Improvesafeguarding of victims and vulnerable. No bail forgrooming gang offenders.
Oh wow, no bail for gang raping children, how radical. But they're going to deport the ones with dual citizenship that they know of, amazing. They can now say that they are going to do what was already done in 2012 to the 4 of 12 people that were convicted. It is a limp wristed, weak response.
On the online safety bill
Social media giants that push baseless transgenderideology and divisive Critical Race theory shouldhave no role in regulating free speech.
So...not, getting rid of it then.
A few quotes on the policies of identity and values
Legislate to stop left-wing bias and politically correctideology that threatens personal freedom anddemocracy. No more de-banking, cancel culture,left wing hate mobs or political bias in publicinstitutions. Stop Sharia law being used in the UK
Replace the 2010 Equalities Act
The Equalities Act requires discrimination in
the name of ‘positive action’. We will scrap
Diversity, Equality and Inclusion (DE&I) rules that
have lowered standards and reduced economic
productivity.
Mealy mouthed nothing statements that promise nothing while sound strong. They plan to replace the equalities act, and focus on specific rules within it that they will change provided that they can produce evidence that they have lowered standards and reduced productivity. The legislation they propose for anti-left wing ideology is left vague and promises nothing.

I like you Welshman, I actually unironically do. But - and I'd like you take this as the constructive criticism that it is - you sound, old, delusional, or like you are actively lying to yourself. I'm 30, so I'm not young, but you sound like you're 65. I do not understand why you think Farage or his party is worth actively supporting rather than grudgingly voting for? Sell me on it. Tell me how the secret Hitler plan works? Because I'm at the point where I do not think political solutions will work, and I am either looking to get out the country, or other thing that I could talk about but we live in a police state.

It's endgame stuff here for the nation and what is being proposed is a possibility of a maybe that might somehow materialise if we wish hard enough. If Farage wins, what is going to compel reform to become harder right, rather than simply sitting on the victory, digesting the Tories, bringing in the browns and then just shrugging and letting it all carry on? Who in the party is going to replace Farage that's worth getting actually excited for? I need this bud. I'm at my fucking wits end with politics.
 
If you cannot sensibly debate then shoo.
Imagine how tight Farage's BPD bussy must be when you can't actually debate people who conflict with your opinion so you start blocking everyone around you. Wales went from the thread's golden boy into Twitter tranny blocking everyone in a day.


Mealy mouthed nothing statements that promise nothing while sound strong. They plan to replace the equalities act, and focus on specific rules within it that they will change provided that they can produce evidence that they have lowered standards and reduced productivity. The legislation they propose for anti-left wing ideology is left vague and promises nothing.
Notice all of that basically applies to Farage personally. It's to stop Farage being targeted by specific things that hit him and very few other people.

In other news Reform announced they want to rebalance how social housing is to be given out in one of their areas. None of which says a single thing about protecting it for local residence. They just want to shuffle things around and if you can't get social housing "try private". Zero statement on removing illegals from houses or using places that DID house illegals as temporary social housing for the native population. So they want to shuffle the bands round a bit. Do nothing about the problem and offer no solutions. Just "buy a cheap house if you can't get a council flat" is an actual solution they put forward. It's insanity. Especially when they're talking of setting up income maximums to getting a council flat and that number is increasingly meaning less as the economy tanks, rents sky rocket and foreigners buy up all the houses. How long is 40k a year a realistic income to live on?

Checking the local news papers for reform councils has some great quotes.

A spokesperson for WNC added: “Applicants who are removed from the register would be supported to consider alternative housing options, including the private rented sector, mutual exchange, and low-cost home ownership schemes.
 
For things to change we need someone who has the will to gut and replace most the civil service, senior police officers, judges, and most quangos, whilst at the same time going to war (figuratively) with the establishment, the media, the lords, the church, and maybe even the king.

I don’t see a bunch of failed Tory Muslims and other party rejects propping up a man with the most easily bruised of egos being able to to do that. A bunch of con artists crying about racism are not going to fix this country.

We need a combination on Churchill and Pinochet but instead we’ve got a carnival showman.

If Farage doesn’t grow a spine soon then everyone will just take more black pills. We can’t afford this absolute faggotry by Reform.
 
Notice all of that basically applies to Farage personally. It's to stop Farage being targeted by specific things that hit him and very few other people.
In fairness, I was picking specifically policies that jumped out as not good enough and also needed to criticise. I agree with a lot in the Reform manifesto, but posting glowing praise for specific bits, when there's parts that I am 100% desperate about, because they are existential problems that are not being addressed is pointless. I don't care about a blister when someone has shot me in the gut with a rifle.

If Farage doesn’t grow a spine soon then everyone will just take more black pills. We can’t afford this absolute faggotry by Reform.

Our country is actually dying. I can feel it, I used think I was going fucking crazy because of it, but everyone else is feeling it as well now. It's being strangled to death and it's being done with deliberation and clinical sadism. We live in a police state, and the walls are actually, genuinely closing in. Financially, demographically, legally, it's ratcheting shut and I do not see how milquetoast responses are worth anything. I have become radicalised over these last five years of my life, and I do not think anything less than radical action is going to work. I think that a lot of people are taking the deep breath before the plunge. I know I am. I cannot even talk about this properly because we live in a police state, but you all know what I am talking about.
 
I guess he got the call to sabotage the party with the May elections coming up, who knows.

Everyone else has put across what I'd say, but Welsh, you gotta understand that this isn't just a one-off and that he has done this shit before. Like yeah people here will grudgingly vote for them because there's genuinely no other choice, but I know people who are actively getting at their wits end in real life and they're either moving out of here (or already have) or have other things in mind.

If it's all just "And then suddenly Farage took off his skin mask to reveal he was the reincarnation of Mosley the entire time! In one fell swoop all the browns suddenly have a heart attack like Death Note, innit" then you aren't selling it well at all. That's what people are giving you shit for.
 
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