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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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* Who realistically would make a better PM than Nigel
* Who could beat Starmer, Badenoch, Davey, Polanski etc. in polls for consecutive weeks
* Who will stop the migrants, lower taxes and make us a decent country again

*CRICKETS*

All very easy to criticise Nigel (and no, he isn't perfect) yet those who do usually have no answers to the important question of 'if not him, then realistically who?'
A bad option is still a bad option.

Any one who came out hard right anti immigration will beat everyone else. It's the one real issue people care about and Reform for popular on that single issue. And now they're walking it back.

Who will stop the migrants, lower taxes and make us a decent country again? Not Farage and his Paki bosses. If Reform has to rely on foreign money then it's already been bought and sold. And the moment Farage says No to the camel fuckers they will withdraw support and the party will have no money. And trying to deport the pakis racial group will immediately cut the income.

It's easy to criticise because the option is a bad one. It had a chance to be a good one and fucked it up. You are so deep within the Reform circle jerk you can't see what the rest of us can. You act like they're a saviour who will lead to a better future. While everyone else is now seeing it's just the Tories all over again. And the moment Farage steps down if he's elected at all we will have another paki or nigger in charge. Reform looks no different to the tories any more. And it's not hard line enough to fix anything. Even if they reported all the illegals we're still being outbred and all Reform does about that is waste time.
 
A bad option is still a bad option.

Any one who came out hard right anti immigration will beat everyone else. It's the one real issue people care about and Reform for popular on that single issue. And now they're walking it back.

Who will stop the migrants, lower taxes and make us a decent country again? Not Farage and his Paki bosses. If Reform has to rely on foreign money then it's already been bought and sold. And the moment Farage says No to the camel fuckers they will withdraw support and the party will have no money. And trying to deport the pakis racial group will immediately cut the income.


It's easy to criticise because the option is a bad one. It had a chance to be a good one and fucked it up. You are so deep within the Reform circle jerk you can't see what the rest of us can. You act like they're a saviour who will lead to a better future. While everyone else is now seeing it's just the Tories all over again. And the moment Farage steps down if he's elected at all we will have another paki or nigger in charge. Reform looks no different to the tories any more. And it's not hard line enough to fix anything. Even if they reported all the illegals we're still being outbred and all Reform does about that is waste time.

1) Which electable party will that be then? All I see in the polls are Reform (miles ahead) with Tories, Greens, Lib Dems, Labour, Plaid, SNP and Your Party trailing in their wake.

Seriously, IF there was another option, then Reform UK would be on single figures vote wise.

2) This is based on what exactly - Zia has said that he opposes mass migration and that he supports banning the burqa as well as ending Muslim extremism. That's almost akin to saying that every White person is a flag shagging patriot - go to X and type in #FBPE. These White traitors would gladly have your kids raped by the kind of Muslims Zia and Nigel oppose. Maybe it'd be preferable for a White Male to be our Chairman, but there we go. I didn't support the removal of Gawain Towler or Rupert Lowe from Reform UK but I realise that not everybody every time is going to agree.

3) No, I see what a lot of people here don't want to - that Reform UK, imperfect as it is, is still the only credible option available. If Britain First were polling in the high 20s and low 30s then yes I'd be backing them, but they are on < 1% of the polls. Support a minor right wing party or support the most popular party in the country and realise that it doesn't end with Nigel but it only begins... oh what a choice to make, ho hum... Anything to yeet Starmer and Badenoch in one go gets my vote.

However, if people want to say 'I will never listen to you, I don't care, fuck Reform UK' then fine, I'm not as thin skinned as to care which way you vote (and TBH I think some people here just don't want Nigel as PM as they can spend years bitching about Starmer for clout whilst the country goes to shit around them). It's not and never has been my role and purpose to convince people to vote Reform UK, it's your choice to vote for whoever, but yes Reform UK is my 'ride or die' as there's no other option available - if you can convince me not to vote for Reform UK and can prove that another party and another leader will beat the opposition hands down then fine. As it is, I doubt you'll succeed.

Essay over.
 
If you want to stay angry at me for backing Reform UK, that is your issue.
I couldn't give a shit who you vote for, you can vote for the rich paki party all you want.
I'm sick and tired though of you using the Farms as the Reform campaigning board. You're either working for them, or have been guzzling so much paki cum that you honestly think you're doing the right thing by spending the last year vomiting your pea brained thoughts over this forum.

I'm actually starting to think you're as 'Welsh' as Axel Rudakubana given how much time and effort you spend shilling for the Brown Party.
 
I couldn't give a shit who you vote for, you can vote for the rich paki party all you want.
I'm sick and tired though of you using the Farms as the Reform campaigning board. You're either working for them, or have been guzzling so much paki cum that you honestly think you're doing the right thing by spending the last year vomiting your pea brained thoughts over this forum.

I'm actually starting to think you're as 'Welsh' as Axel Rudakubana given how much time and effort you spend shilling for the Brown Party.
Good, then a word of advice:

Try the 'Ignore User' button.

You and your wet dreams of Paki cum... are you Starmer in disguise?

If you didn't care then you wouldn't respond, but here you are...
 
TLDR - like it or lump it, but only Reform UK can take on the big guns and win.
You're wasting your time on someone who has become demoralized.
I'm sick and tired though of you using the Farms as the Reform campaigning board.
You're tarding out with literally Llyr Powell, I think he's allowed to have his bullshit opinion, I may think his opinion is bullshit but as a freeborn Englishman honorary Anglo he's allowed to. Get the fuck out of here with your pseudo-censorious bollocks.
 
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You're wasting your time on someone who has become demoralized.

You're tarding out with literally Llyr Powell, I think he's allowed to have his bullshit opinion, I may think his opinion is bullshit but as a freeborn Englishman honorary Anglo he's allowed to. Get the fuck out of here with your pseudo-censorious bollocks.
Thanks.

I don't mind people thinking that I have a BS opinion, but when they can't or won't answer questions about 'what's the alternative then?' and resort to chimp outs then there's little point in debating.

The Autistic One and The Cap Wearing Pigeon have tried to run me off here for a while now, with the latter already being mass reported and having a triangle of shame against his name.

I accept the POV's of most people here, and there's a lot of good exchanges here. It's a shame when somebody has to ruin things with personal insults which only show the mental frailty of the idiot hurling them.

What's done is done, let's move on as raking over old coals is going to do nothing...
 
You're welcome, your opinion is bullshit btw.
It's a shame when somebody has to ruin things with personal insults which only show the mental frailty of the idiot hurling them.
The insults make it better IMO, you can get called a pants shitting retard in a lot of places, but only in a few special places like this thread right here can you get something that properly goes for the rhetorical jugular. It's OUR CULTURE, unironically, and it's why there's only a handful of dirty foreigners who can survive in this environment.
 
You're tarding out with literally Llyr Powell, I think he's allowed to have his bullshit opinion, I may think his opinion is bullshit but as a freeborn Englishman honorary Anglo he's allowed to. Get the fuck out of here with your pseudo-censorious bollocks.
He can have his bullshit opinion, and I can call him a twat for having it. That's the way of the world.
It's quite funny watching him try and justify having a tax doging, theiving brown join the party that will save Britain :D
 
He can have his bullshit opinion, and I can call him a twat for having it. That's the way of the world.
I mean if you think UKIP is in anyway something resembling viability I think you've got even more cow dung in you than Llyr does, may as well stand for the National Front because at least they've got brand recognition.
I miss pol. Can I call you niggers? I do quite like niggers. "Old coals" eh? You know what that means!
The niggers are the West Indians, we call these ones wogs.
 
No, I see what a lot of people here don't want to - that Reform UK, imperfect as it is, is still the only credible option available.
It's not that it's imperfect, it's that it's dishonest and isn't actually different. The uniparty is still the uniparty even if it grows a new head and loses the old one.
I couldn't give a shit who you vote for, you can vote for the rich paki party all you want.
I'm sick and tired though of you using the Farms as the Reform campaigning board. You're either working for them, or have been guzzling so much paki cum that you honestly think you're doing the right thing by spending the last year vomiting your pea brained thoughts over this forum.

I'm actually starting to think you're as 'Welsh' as Axel Rudakubana given how much time and effort you spend shilling for the Brown Party.
I agree on this point. I've always enjoyed talking to Welshy but it's a bit much at this point. We know he's part of Reform and attends at least some private events for them. Which he's open about and honest. The problem is it's becoming too zealous where he's drinking the kool aid. And so desperate for Reform to be different that he's ignoring all the red flags everyone else can see. He's like a dude dating a BPD girl and he can't see it..
I accept the POV's of most people here, and there's a lot of good exchanges here. It's a shame when somebody has to ruin things with personal insults which only show the mental frailty of the idiot hurling them.
It's the farms mate, there's lots of shit flinging. And he does have a point here. We've spoken in private before, we're always got on and I hope we do in the future. But it seems like no matter what Reform do you will support them and go to bat for them. There gets a point where you need to step back and reflect on why you're supporting something and what personal attachment you have to it. If it was a single mistake you can forgive, but look at this last week and notice the change in direction. And when someone says it's unacceptable you write multiple essays justifying why it's okay and really just 4D chess. It's not 4D chess, it's British politics and being a paki's rentboy is the same if it's labour, Reform or the cuckservatives doing it.
 
I mean if you think UKIP is in anyway something resembling viability I think you've got even more cow dung in you than Llyr does, may as well stand for the National Front because at least they've got brand recognition.

The niggers are the West Indians, we call these ones wogs.

This seems to have too many potential outcomes. If I see a nigger (as one does) and we wish to discuss history (niggers like history), I feel like it's a little less complex.

I am often brought up against the fact that I am not very clever.
 
I agree on this point. I've always enjoyed talking to Welshy but it's a bit much at this point. We know he's part of Reform and attends at least some private events for them. Which he's open about and honest. The problem is it's becoming too zealous where he's drinking the kool aid. And so desperate for Reform to be different that he's ignoring all the red flags everyone else can see. He's like a dude dating a BPD girl and he can't see it..
The best part is when he calls the parasite 'Nigel', as if they are best mates who share a drink at the local, rather than Farage being a bloodsucker who would sell out his own country for some paki cash (and cum), and couldn't give a shit about people like MiW.
 
It's not that it's imperfect, it's that it's dishonest and isn't actually different. The uniparty is still the uniparty even if it grows a new head and loses the old one.
That's my issue with this as well. Reform we're meant to destroy the two party system, not become it. This appointment really does sour me on them. And while my vote may not represent the average person on the street, Walesy should know that I've actually been to Reform rallies (back in the early days as well) , so I would say that my opinion probably chimes with those of the grassroots party members. I don't like this, they're not going to like this. I squint my eyes and now it's just the Tory Party mk II.
 
I don’t understand how Mr Reform doesn’t understand how his party going from “our last hope” to “elephant graveyard for brown Tories” might piss off the people who were lining up to vote for them.

I’m hoping he does work for them so he can pass on how retarded they are and to tell Farage to get his fucking ego in check.
 
I don’t understand how Mr Reform doesn’t understand how his party going from “our last hope” to “elephant graveyard for brown Tories” might piss off the people who were lining up to vote for them.
The only purpose I currently see for reform is to pull the other parties closer to the anti-migrant position. Labour, right now, are actively courting the sort of people who would be dismissed as swivel-eyed loons just a few years ago. They're doing a piss-poor job of it, because they're intellectually crippled and under the control of a wax dummy, but they're still doing things they would never have contemplated before. I think that's a good sign.
 
A huge portion of wages earned by Indian workers never cycles back into the country; instead, it's sent back to India to build nice houses and buy up property for a comfortable retirement, likely whilst they continue to try and milk the British taxpayer for everything they can.
This goes for most of the remittances. We have the taxpayer paying child support for children who have never set foot in the country.
And zahawi is an intellectual lightweight, the thought if him being chancellor is it good. He was one who was fully on board with all the Covid tyranny. Not at all happy with that one.
I WANT reform to work, but what I’m seeing is the same infiltration and subversion and watering down that any movement gets when it’s possible it might actually challenge the status quo.
 
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Democracy has proven a very effective way to dissipate anger. People do not engage in civil action, do not riot, do not do much of anything, because they wait until the election so they can vote for the change they want. Democracy also provides a veneer or justification for the actions of those in power because it's what the majority wanted. Except that's not the case, more people voted against Labour than for it and they got a huge majority. Same as in the Blair years.

I'm not exactly rejecting democracy. But it's clear those in power have gotten staggeringly good at using it as a way to just keep people quiet and well-behaved despite having terrible things done to them because it provides a channel for their resentment. A channel which often seems to send that resentment nowhere.

With Reform I have seen them remove popular local candidates who helped bring the party to prominence because they're not Farage loyalists. I have seen actual grass roots supporters told by parachuted in new leaders to fall in line or get out. And I know for a fact that Reform has been bringing in a whole bunch of former Conservative campaign managers and co.. And of course very popular and effective people such as Rupert Lowe removed on trumped up charges, later shown to be false, but not invited back - because the reason was always removing rivals.

Would a Reform sweep of the country help things? Possibly. But only if Reform can be held accountable and right now it seems not to be. I'm not wholly condemning it but it's not going in a good direction. I'm not even talking about the colour of member's skin - controversially for this forum, I'm not actually racist. But I can see it becoming more and more a standard political establishment group and sidelining actual reformist elements. Once again, I see democracy being used as a way to dissipate anger more than effect change.

I don't want to oversell it. They're not Labour! A Reform government with a Tory opposition would be a fascinating outcome and it's not entirely off the cards which blows me away. But... it's clear the establishment is very busy turning Reform into its own tool right now. I don't trust Farage to be uncorrupted.

And of course the other aspect in which Democracy dissipates the anger is to make people focus on the MPs. When a lot of the issue is an unelected and legally protected power bloc in the Civil Service and appointed bodies.
 
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