UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[FedPostalService]

That and the fact that the user base is allowed to speak more freely than our current crop of despots wants. My loathing of these people reaches new depths daily, it’s quite remarkable. You don’t think you can hate them any more and then you wake up and read the news and they’ve just casually slapped down another bit of utterly despotic nonsense

Big reminder to everyone that, whilst Twitter lets you speak freely, they will fully cooperate with British police if you do a wrongthink. Not even sure they wait for a warrant or other form of court order given with how fast the police get details.

If Elon was as based as everyone pretends he would move any corporate structures related to Twitter out of the UK and just to the pigs to fuck off. He doesn't though as that would cost him money. I've yet to see him fund anyone in the courts in he UK who got in trouble for a wrongthink, despite stating he would because he is le epic based free speech guy.

The only place we are free to speak is here on this god forsaken forum ran by a fat cheese bothering closet homosexual who hates us.

 

[Overly Serious]

It is more so I'm not sure how you can limit the use of photoshop for that, while with AI you can limit prompts that would lead to such images being made and sure there is a way to train the algorithm to not allow for such things as well.

The prompts filtering part is viable. Not infallible but you can get it to a pretty high degree of success and I expect to see this done more and more effectively. By "the algorithm" I think you mean the trained model. That is a lot harder to prevent producing unwanted outputs for reasons I summarized up thread. But the prompt restriction is a strong guard around it if done right. You can also censor on output which is what some like StabilityAI and Black Forest labs do for example.

It is rather funny how many are you are willing to die on this hill, rather than admitting Musk should just take down his gen ai until he sorts out the issue. All you have to defend it is weak what aboutisms.

We're not dying on this hill which is what I think you don't get. Firstly, I want to know to what extent Grok is actually producing CSAM because I suspect not to the extent it's being implied by some. Secondly, this is the British News thread, not the general AI debate thread. So the aspect of it we're focused on is whether the UK government is trying to pull a fast one by trying to block us all from Twitter because we can say things on it they don't like.

 

[Otterly]

You do realise that every day thousands of people use photoshop to create loli/shotacon pornography which is still classed as child porn right?

They should all be put in a volcano too.
But I also have a very unpleasant feeling that generative ai is going to lead to some combination of laws that class drawn abuse imagery as ‘acceptable’ and/or remove the capability of using genAI for image creation independently entirely so that it’s extremely controlled and controlled centrally.
We are living in times where the pace of change is outstripping our ability to manage it socially. Some of these laws are going to be knee jerk ones and some will be piggy backed on by people with an agenda - like the current government who want to ban free speech. There isn’t going to be any real debate on how we protect children and many an freedom of expression, it’s just going to be business as usual for perverts and the a hammer for the rest of us

 

[Made In Wales]

They've fallen out, they have been no longer BFF for a while, which is why they're probably going after Twitter now.

I think they're still on speaking terms, don't forget that Farage at one point was sidelined by Trump and the two of them have since made up. Probably more than likely Musk and Trump will as well.

Farage has even been partially critical of some of what Trump has done, and I don't think he's wholly happy with his plans for Greenland, but he is not going to make too many waves.

Going after X/Twitter will be on a par with attempting to shut down the sky - these authoritarians know sod all about computing, the internet, social media etc. If X goes, then I assume YouTube and TikTok will also go as well, yet Discord and others (suck as Twitch and Kick) aren't on the list (as yet) yet Discord has a major CP issue and Twitch mods are (like Redditors) deeply suspect individuals.

 

[FedPostalService]

They should all be put in a volcano too.
But I also have a very unpleasant feeling that generative ai is going to lead to some combination of laws that class drawn abuse imagery as ‘acceptable’ and/or remove the capability of using genAI for image creation independently entirely so that it’s extremely controlled and controlled centrally.
We are living in times where the pace of change is outstripping our ability to manage it socially. Some of these laws are going to be knee jerk ones and some will be piggy backed on by people with an agenda - like the current government who want to ban free speech. There isn’t going to be any real debate on how we protect children and many an freedom of expression, it’s just going to be business as usual for perverts and the a hammer for the rest of us

Trying to avoid power levelling, but one thing the UK is almost leading the field in (slightly behind the USA) is AI. I'm involved in three projects at the moment relating to AI automating work flow and the mostly UK firm I deal with is fucking amazing. The big consultancy firms I deal on the other two projects are coded by jeets and we had may as well have set that money on fire as dealing with those bobble headed fraudsters has almost made me resign, but that is another story.

AI development is pretty much dead in the EU because of their retarded regulation and the idea that the UK government is trying to kill this new industry in the womb is not only insane but believable because we are governed by commie morons.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

None of the other platforms abuse is carried out on are up for a ban. Only x. Why is that?

Well kf is being banned. We all know that raping children is nowhere near as bad as calling a tranny a man. You should just get your priorities right fucking woman caring about children smh.

due to his unwilling to fix shit

He has publicly stated he is working with law enforcement and passing on reports about any illegal use of grok. Kinda like literally every other ai platform there is has done. There is nothing that twitter has done that is any different, the only difference is that politicians want to ban twitter.

Spoiler: retarded shit

Pretty controversial, yes

Man. Idk how you got to that conclusion. At no point did I say ai child porn is good. Just that I care more about actual child porn instead. The police do not give a shit about real child porn with a direct victim, until they do then arguing over ai stuff is pointless. I would love for anyone creating any form of child porn to be arrested but we do not live in a world where that is plausible, I am simply being realistic about what the priorities should be.

IF so then the UK govt

Here you go I went and did two seconds of google searching to find the article for you.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/florida-man-accused-using-artificial-intelligence-create-child-porn-deputies-say

Again, not a problem I have ever run into.

Cool. Good for you. I guess all the people talking about it on reddit and my personal experiences and the ease at which you can go on fucking civitai right now and recreate the issue is all bullshit then? Assume all you want it's not like there's two threads on this site about ai shit that I've been posting in for this account's lifetime. No I just make porn and know nothing, and you only use ai to wank over naked kier images.

Fun fact but this is a fucking forum. Replying to a post does not mean I am having a conversation with you. I don't care what your experience level is because you are not the only person in this thread and I am not talking directly to you.

And why is time a meaningless difference?

Because possession of child porn is illegal regardless of amount. Sorry officer I only had 100 illegal images instead of 10,000 so you can just let me go. Apparently you care about any illegal depiction of a child equally but it's apparently also not as bad if it's harder to make. And no, just because the method and how it works is different that doesn't mean shit. An image of a naked child is still an image of a naked child. I do not care if it was made by photoshop or ai the end result is still a fucking naked child. Kinda why I specified there's no difference between the product, not the method. I fucking know the method is different I just do not give a shit about the method when the result is the same. You're allowed to say you're not going to go into detail and how this isn't the right place for it, but when I skip over an entire explanation of how ai works for the exact same reason suddenly that's a bad thing? I do not care how easy or hard it is to make these images because making any more than 0 is reprehensible.

 

[The Green Man]

The whores that are moaning that they're being put in bikinis are such cancer. They love the attention and the gov are just using this to fuck us all up the arse and censor us.

 

[Made In Wales]

The whores that are moaning that they're being put in bikinis are such cancer. They love the attention and the gov are just using this to fuck us all up the arse and censor us.

Of course they are, but it's not going to work.

I had a chat earlier this week with an old work colleague who is still a big fan of Nickelback.

We lived through the era where they briefly became the biggest band on the planet during the early 2000s, and then when they became a Meme - hated and despised despite selling millions.

Why is this relevant? Well, years ago, a certain class of people could more or less tell you what was in and what was out - what the 'acceptable' bands were and which weren't. If you didn't conform and didn't like the new and acceptable bands then you were an outcast.

Yet, Nickelback has outlasted most of their contemporaries of the day and still sell a decent amount - okay, they won't play the big venues ever again, but they've made shed loads from 'How You Remind Me', 'Hero', 'Rockstar' etc. The band that the experts tried to cancel ultimately proved uncancellable.

Just like Reform UK, Kiwi Farms etc. are hated by those people who demand that you don't have 'the wrong opinion' ultimately these people will be ignored and their opinions cast aside - if people like Nickelback, then they like Nickelback and if they like Reform UK, Kiwi Farms etc. then there's nothing that can be done to change people's minds.

There's now more people who admit liking the things they shouldn't because monoculture has burnt out, as it's bland, boring and has nothing good to offer. Nobody wants to see or hear the 2010s era politics on Reddit, Feabie or other inane bullshit websites, where 'My Side Good' and 'Other Side Bad' when the 'Other Side' has been proven to be a lot better than anything Starmer can offer and light years better than what Cackling Kamala could have as POTUS.

We've seen Starmer climb down with the Farmers and now with the Publicans and Landlords - he will have to do the same with Social Media or at least try to meet the likes of Musk and Zuckerberg halfway. Yes, I believe CP needs to be banned from the Internet and I wish X/Twitter etc. weren't as immature and toxic (Kiwi Farms is actually one of the most mature forums around, by comparison) but we are talking about amputating a leg because there's a small boil growing on it.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

Just like Reform UK, Kiwi Farms

Jesus Christ if this forum is Nickleback then I'm off to go make a mumsnet account.

 

[The Green Man]

My best (Scottish) mate, is marring a Muzzie girl from Pakistan in April. She's ignored him for months, Cried that he's "controlling" her, and now all of a sudden now that she needs a visa to stay in the country, she wants him. He's fucked it hasn't he lads?

 

[Made In Wales]

My best (Scottish) mate, is marring a Muzzie girl from Pakistan in April. She's ignored him for months, Cried that he's "controlling" her, and now all of a sudden now that she needs a visa to stay in the country, she wants him. He's fucked it hasn't he lads?

Not really, he'll be given every chance to 'be a good boy' because 'non whites are never bad'.

Of course, if he firebombs the home of his local Labour MP, then he might be in trouble - but we can put it down to 'oopsy doodles, I was having a bad day.'

@femboy fart huffer

 

[FedPostalService]

who is still a big fan of Nickelback.

Rockstar is a tune. Also, one of the band pops up on Doug Stanhope's podcast occasionally and is pretty fun. I'm sorry we stopped letting Wales mine for coal and turned all your women into coal burners, but it is not the fault of Nickleback.

 

[Cho Chang's Granddad]

They don’t actually care about csam or violence against women. They want to ban x purely because it allows people to be critical of them.
If they genuinely wanted to take down child predators we wouldn’t be seeing the courts let child rapists and csam enthusiasts off Scot free or Pakistani rape gangs allowed to operate in every town and city in the country.
The ‘think of the children’ stuff is purely an emotional stick to beat people with.

I could turn this around and ask why the usual suspects who claim to be the great women's rights champions like Graham Linehan or his gf JK Rowling are silent about Twitter's CP and non-consensual porn problem.

If it was any other site I'm sure Jo and Glin would be on the case but because it's their lord and savior Elon Musk they're happy to turn a blind eye?

 

[the printer is outo fink]

They've fallen out, they have been no longer BFF for a while, which is why they're probably going after Twitter now.

They've been buds again for the last few months and had dinner together last weekend as part of Trump's post Maduro capture celebration. It was just Trump, Musk and Melania at the table. And Musk has said he's going to finance a lot of republican mid-terms campaign.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

If it was any other site I'm sure Jo and Glin would be on the case but because it's their lord and savior Elon Musk they're happy to turn a blind eye?

Or maybe it's because they don't understand it and so don't talk about it? Or any other reason. It has nothing to do with Elon either. There have been child porn rings on twitter for decades now. And there are people posting ai edited porn on other sites too. Yea let's leave twitter because of the questionable or illegal porn, I'm off to bluesky instead.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

You'd think given how much the goverment is wanting to nuke Twitter that child abuse/child sexual abuse material is a 14 year sentence or something, go look up your local newspapers and you'll find that Wesley Nonce was caught with about 300 vhs tapes* of CP and given an 18 month suspended sentence and told to go on the nonce course at their local probation office where they meet up with other pedos and absolutely no way will this result in their network growing, absolutely not.

*I just want to point out that 95% of the fuckers you see in your local papers ARE thick as mince turbospazzes, we live in an age of TOR, VPNs and MicroSDs and these fucking retarded niggers are keeping their kiddy vids on full display in their living room or in the most obvious disgusting goon room. It's abundandly clear that the problem is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than anyone could ever imagine because it's only ever the lowest hanging fruit who ever get caught and typically get caught with their fucking bank details attached to an ebay listing or some shit. Like I have the most ridiculous opsec known to man and the worst I've ever done is download some Talking Heads albums or browse here and these NIGGERS are just being absolutely retarded in plain sight.

 

[Cho Chang's Granddad]

Or maybe it's because they don't understand it and so don't talk about it? Or any other reason. It has nothing to do with Elon either. There have been child porn rings on twitter for decades now. And there are people posting ai edited porn on other sites too. Yea let's leave twitter because of the questionable or illegal porn, I'm off to bluesky instead.

They don't understand it? It's not rocket science- Elon Musk's Twitter AI chatbot is able to and is obeying requests to make porn images (and short videos) which may be illegal (the IWF has in fact confirmed Twitter has images on there which meet the legal requirement for ch*ld porn).

And yes it is Elon fucking Musk. He owns Twitter and everything that Twitter and Grok can and does do is at the say so of him and he can stop the abuse and exploitation at any moment he wants to. So far all he's done is make the pedo feature (or the "spicy mode" as he calls it) a premium service.

But I understand- Jo's brain is rotten from all that Sharpie solvent abuse and mold and is unable to think about anything other than trans people. And wor Graham is still crying in his racing car bed over the loss of his marriage. aw

"Yea let's leave twitter" Twitter isn't the only social media website on the internet. The way the internet works is sortof sucky yes because despite there being hundreds of thousands of websites the internet seems to be ruled by about a dozen of them. It doesn't have to be that way though- people do have the power to not use the big websites and go to one of the smaller but safer and more civil alternatives.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

It's not rocket science

But it is much more nuanced and complicated that how you describe it. If it was as simple as 'this thing only exists to make non consensual porn and child porn' then it would be an entirely different conversation and would be already banned.

And yes it is Elon fucking Musk.

Elon is responsible for grok, yes. Not what I said though. They are not staying on twitter despite it's issues because of Elon. JKR was on twitter before him and before grok, she was not on twitter before people were posting child porn to it. Maybe she just uses twitter because it is the largest social media site for posting as an individual account? It's not that deep bro Elon isn't sucking Rowling off under the table or anything.

But I understand- Jo's brain is rotten from all that Sharpie solvent abuse and mold and is unable to think about anything other than trans people. And wor Graham is still crying in his racing car bed over the loss of his marriage. aw

Or maybe they just stick to talking about things they're knowledgeable about. I respect Rowling's opinion on trans shit, I would not ask her for her opinion on the sugar tax just because she has eaten sugar before in their life.

 

[Failed Lurker]

Ah yes, the think of the children approach, wasn't that when the wee Dundee lassie had to wave them off with an axe, she was initially blamed as the cause or due to her background that had many uncommon posters/new accounts/loli defenders suddenly appear in this thread and others to defend the "innocent" immigrants/demean the kid, who suddenly disappeared when the news finally came out about the cunt who'd been following her...noticed the media quickly dropped that story too

Articles in last few days re AI

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp9jxvx0zjmo

"Campaigners have accused the government of dragging its heels on implementing a law which would make it illegal to create non-consensual sexualised deepfakes.

It comes amid a backlash against images created using Elon Musk's AI Grok to digitally remove clothing - with one woman telling the BBC more than 100 sexualised images have been created of her.

It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, external, but new legislation that would make it a criminal offence to create or request them is still not in force despite passing in June 2025, external.

But it is unclear whether all of the unclothing images created by Grok would fall foul of this law. The BBC has contacted the government for comment.
In a statement, external, X said: "Anyone using or prompting Grok to make illegal content will suffer the same consequences as if they upload illegal content.""

Tried to highlight the point within the first few paragraphs of this BBC one that they passed the law last June already and further in the article, how it's not being acted upon with one the campaigners being, think from memory, the NGO for women rights who supported migrants/against the mass protests at migrant hotel where the sick fucks have been assaulting women and children yet they're against us getting fucking rid of them.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/08/pilot-software-tackle-deepfakes-scottish-welsh-elections

"Election officials are working “at speed” with the Home Office on a pilot project to combat the use of deepfakes to target candidates standing in this year’s Scottish and Welsh elections.

Officials at the Electoral Commission in Scotland said they and the Home Office expected software capable of detecting AI-generated deepfake videos and images to be operational before election campaigns begin in late March."

(Yeah, it's the Guardian as I'm being lazy as well as haven't archived, appreciate if someone could) Main point is elections coming up and " deep fakes" are the concern. What was the the other term used in US when they were still covering for Biden's mental decline? Cheap fakes or something like that?

As many point out, if those in charge really cared about protecting children, stopping CSAM then why can multiple, repeat offenders get lighter or suspended sentences than the women who got jailed for the burning hotels tweet? Or why details are kept from court trials to prevent public disorder...

Clearly it's about losing ability to hide their narratives and control, same reason as why this very site is currently in legal proceedings due to the online safety bill, which we also know is complete bollocks.

After some of the interactions I've had with our "customers" over the last week of work of the I'm even further down the attitude of being fucking done with the UK establishment, if only we could suddenly find some rare earth deposit somewhere on these shores to give US an excuse to bag and tag the fucking lot of them like they did Maduro.

 

[Coolio55]

My best (Scottish) mate, is marring a Muzzie girl from Pakistan in April. She's ignored him for months, Cried that he's "controlling" her, and now all of a sudden now that she needs a visa to stay in the country, she wants him. He's fucked it hasn't he lads?

You've pointed all this out to him, no? Just call a spade a spade, it was a toxic relationship and the sudden rebound doesn't fix it.
Play on his insecurities about her accusations without actually putting any blame on him.