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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Tragon Dirtle said:
Meaningful barrier would be no way to access smugglers or transport.
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Aha! So, are there any countries with no "transport" to the UK? I don't think so, especially if you're going to include planes.

Are there any countries with no smugglers? Like, zero of them? Seems pretty unlikely.

So you follow this logic and it's impossible to have any meaningful barrier to illegal immigration.

Maybe you need to rethink that definition?
 
Tragon Dirtle said:
I'm not arguing that labour haven't contributed to the current situation. I'm arguing that the current labour government are incentivised to fix immigration to stay in power, and that reform are full of the same people bringing the immigrants in now & in the recent past. They also need immigration to continue to get elected on the back of it.
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They're incentivised to do so, but they're inhibited by both the makeup of their own party both racially and ideologically speaking (see: Starmer getting lambasted for this, "Island of strangers" comment + spats over trying to reduce spending and make it harder to claim) and the fact that the biggest hindrances to doing something about immigration are pieces of legislation passed by their own party and the ECHR, which are both contentious to try and deal with. It's effectively impossible for Labour in their current position and without a huge overhaul to do anything. Since a few of the unions are in bed with certain pro-immigrant groups (Stand up to Fascism aka Stand up to Racism has the largest telecoms union on its panel of leaders) also determine party leaders, the chances of getting a anti-immigrant leader within the Labour party come close to nil. There is Blue Labour, but their chance to rise in prominence would probably have to wait until after a massive Labour loss if only so their niche number of members can have more influence and say (6 vs 300+ - not likely. 6 vs under-100 - better odds).

People have said a socially right-wing but economically right-wing party would dominate, and it feels that Labour is closer to becoming that than the likes of the Tories, but they need a massive loss to have a massive shift in ideological composition and alter the party status quo.
 
Right back to the Haribo tangfastics, I fucking hate how every single 'oh my god guys this is SOOO SOUR this is going to RUIN YOUR TONGUE' type sweets are fucking mild. Have I basically blasted my tongue to smithereens as an adult from years of eating vindaloos or are sweet manufacturers convinced that kids are fucking pussies these days and will sperg out to their mummy that their sweets hurt them?

I had a few of those Sour Patch Kids that the Amerimutts keep banging on about and they were basically those sour wine gums from years back that gave you a mild buzz but that's that.

Where are the toxic waste type sweets of yesteryear that BURNED? Are Fishermans Friend truly the last bastion of sweets that make me feel like I'm fighting a whale with my bare hands?
 
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Right back to the Haribo tangfastics, I fucking hate how every single 'oh my god guys this is SOOO SOUR this is going to RUIN YOUR TONGUE' type sweets are fucking mild. Have I basically blasted my tongue to smithereens as an adult from years of eating vindaloos or are sweet manufacturers convinced that kids are fucking pussies these days and will sperg out to their mummy that their sweets hurt them?

I had a few of those Sour Patch Kids that the Amerimutts keep banging on about and they were basically those sour wine gums from years back that gave you a mild buzz but that's that.

Where are the toxic waste type sweets of yesteryear that BURNED? Are Fishermans Friend truly the last bastion of sweets that make me feel like I'm fighting a whale with my bare hands?
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Not sure, the only sweets I have these days is Allsorts or Wine Gums.

Haven't tried Haribo in a long time.

The strange thing is that the sweets of yesterday tasted better because they didn't have aspartame in them - oh for a sherbet dib-dab...

Back to Reform UK and the seats where we'll go toe-to-toe (allegedly) with the Greens and possibly lose:



Only in 13 seats would the Greens win... I'll give my opinion:

Barking - No, would vote Reform UK - very strong vote-base there.

Birkenhead - Possible if no Lib Dem challenge, but would be a close race.

Bristol East, North East & South - Yes, we definitely won't win there, but our votes are increasing in parts of the city which is a positive.

Exeter - Yes, Reform UK stand little chance here. Would go Yellow or Green but not Turquoise.

Leeds South - Possible, but as with Birkenhead this would be a tight call.

Manchester Central - Likely to go Yellow or Green, Reform UK would likely not win here.

North Herefordshire - Not too sure, it's definitely a target seat for Reform UK and considering that a lot of people there don't want the countryside destroyed it could be one which they win by a decent amount.

Norwich South - Yes, again this is a difficult to win seat for Reform UK but a strong second place there would at least be a good achievement.

Sheffield Heeley - Yes but, in Sheffield and Yorkshire as a whole, Reform UK's vote is growing and whilst this seat is a big ask it's not impossible. Unlikely yes, impossible no.

Waveney Valley - No, this is definitely a seat Reform UK can win and by a comfortable margin.

We don't even know if the Libs and Greens are going to form a coalition - even if they do, I cannot for the life of me see them winning the keys to Number 10.

Anyway the Prat of The Day award goes to this young chap from East Anglia:


 
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Clem Fandango said:
Aha! So, are there any countries with no "transport" to the UK? I don't think so, especially if you're going to include planes.

Are there any countries with no smugglers? Like, zero of them? Seems pretty unlikely.

So you follow this logic and it's impossible to have any meaningful barrier to illegal immigration.

Maybe you need to rethink that definition?
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Like I said before, it wasn't me that started talking about meaningful barriers, it was @teriyakiburns so I don't need to rethink anything. I think the deterence will work, but not immediately.

I managed to fuck up the quoting but basically - I agree with most of what you've said about the limits on labour, and the left wing economics / right social party would be popular. I don't think it would take a full loss to do it - I think it's already happening, from seeing Corbyn completely fuck everything up as part of Your Party, and with Zach Polanski in Greens. Corbyn was the choice for the open borders people, they'll now go to Greens, leaving Labour able to become more hardline on immigration. I'm not expecting it to happen overnight, I think it will be a slow change between now and the next GE.
 
Made In Wales said:
Not sure, the only sweets I have these days is Allsorts or Wine Gums.

Haven't tried Haribo in a long time.

The strange thing is that the sweets of yesterday tasted better because they didn't have aspartame in them - oh for a sherbet dib-dab...
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Sherbet lemons that were actually sour, and had to be sucked as crunching them resulted in a mouth full of razor-like shards.

I used to like a Refreshers bar, the yellow ones with sherbet in the middle, but I feel like they'd be a danger to my fillings these days. Also a likely contributor to needing said fillings.

I can tell I'm getting older because I've pretty much lost my sweet tooth. Jakeman's Menthol Lozenges or Uncle Joe's Mint Balls are the thing; they're pleasingly medicinal, like there's the possibility coal tar was used in their production.
 
Geoff Capes Vapes Apes said:
I can tell I'm getting older because I've pretty much lost my sweet tooth. Jakeman's Menthol Lozenges or Uncle Joe's Mint Balls are the thing; they're pleasingly medicinal, like there's the possibility coal tar was used in their production.
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There's something about that glutteral heat sort of feeling, where it's coming from the chest upwards into your throat that's an incredible feeling if you're starting to come down with a cold. It's why I will forever laugh at Amerimutts for complaining about our seasoning when a) British chicken cooked in its own skin in a little salt and pepper is genuinely mouthwatering and B) Horseradish and British mustard smoke pretty much every US sauce, they're not just chemically hot for the sake of it they have that delightful heat feeling that rises but never completely overwhelms you.
 
Tragon Dirtle said:
Like I said before, it wasn't me that started talking about meaningful barriers, it was @teriyakiburns so I don't need to rethink anything. I think the deterence will work, but not immediately.
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What are you talking about? Who started talking about it isn't relevant. I asked you for your definition, you gave it, and I pointed out how it's deficient.


You took issue with teriyakiburns, but when you disagree like that (regardless of "who started talking about it" ) you must have some idea of what you would consider a meaningful barrier to be.

But when we finally managed to wring it out of you, your definition is simply a justification to do nothing, because even sending someone a long way away where it's expensive to come back isn't, in your opinion, presenting that person with a meaningful barrier.

Yet you're still apparently convinced that you've got it all figured out and you don't need to rethink anything. With all due respect, that sounds pretty petulant.
 
Clem Fandango said:
What are you talking about? Who started talking about it isn't relevant. I asked you for your definition, you gave it, and I pointed out how it's deficient.


You took issue with teriyakiburns, but when you disagree like that (regardless of "who started talking about it" ) you must have some idea of what you would consider a meaningful barrier to be.

But when we finally managed to wring it out of you, your definition is simply a justification to do nothing, because even sending someone a long way away where it's expensive to come back isn't, in your opinion, presenting that person with a meaningful barrier.

Yet you're still apparently convinced that you've got it all figured out and you don't need to rethink anything. With all due respect, that sounds pretty petulant.
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You're the one that keeps going after smaller and smaller gotchas and moving from the original topic. That's being petulant. You say that you're quoting my words back at me, I show you you're not. I only mentioned meaningful barrier in the context of it being possible to get back from Rwanda.

I'm not justifying doing nothing, I've consistently said that I'm happy that labour has sent at least a few people away and will continue to do so - while the tories did nothing. Reform need immigrants to keep coming over the next four years so that they can get elected in 2029. That's assuming that the tories in the party won't do what they did while they were in the tory party, once elected. Which you, and everyone else, has kept avoiding because you don't have an argument against that either.

You can have the last word after this, I'm done.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
There's something about that glutteral heat sort of feeling, where it's coming from the chest upwards into your throat that's an incredible feeling if you're starting to come down with a cold. It's why I will forever laugh at Amerimutts for complaining about our seasoning when a) British chicken cooked in its own skin in a little salt and pepper is genuinely mouthwatering and B) Horseradish and British mustard smoke pretty much every US sauce, they're not just chemically hot for the sake of it they have that delightful heat feeling that rises but never completely overwhelms you.
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I think with the yanks, a lot of it is having blasted their taste buds from an early age with chemicals we only use in industrial products, so they're massively overstimulated flavour-wise.

The subtle intermingling of flavours in a good beef stew, a piece of venison cooked simply and allowed to have it's own flavour with a couple of veg on the side, real fresh bread with real salted butter, a raw carrot you just plucked from the earth; if you were weaned onto solids with Flamin' Hot Cheetos these would all be bland as fuck rather than delights.

Listening to the average yank on food is like listening to a rock-bottom depraved gooner on what makes a woman attractive; you're after a decent personality, a physique that doesn't resemble a condom full of coleslaw and being willing to be there for you when you need her (and vice versa) while he's refusing to countenance a woman who hasn't done interracial piss gangbangs.
 
Tragon Dirtle said:
Reform need immigrants to keep coming over the next four years so that they can get elected in 2029.
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They just don't. General tory support has been fucking decimated. Even if for some fucking reason labour do a complete 180 and enact tnd the tories still aren't going to have their reputation unfucked. Reform is just poised to become the new default conservative party.
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a woman who hasn't done interracial piss gangbangs.
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Piss tastes better than american food though.
 
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Kiwis, Britons, fellow potatoniggers, I have terrible personal news.

My bloke went to Greggs at dinnertime and got me nowt. What’s worse is that he didn’t even partake of the hallowed sausage roll (got bless its golden pastry layers). The daft bugger got a square of pizza, ffs. In Greggs.

That boy ain’t normal, ah tells thi.
 
UselessRubberKeyboard said:
Kiwis, Britons, fellow potatoniggers, I have terrible personal news.

My bloke went to Greggs at dinnertime and got me nowt. What’s worse is that he didn’t even partake of the hallowed sausage roll (got bless its golden pastry layers). The daft bugger got a square of pizza, ffs. In Greggs.

That boy ain’t normal, ah tells thi.
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That's out of order.
 
UselessRubberKeyboard said:
My bloke went to Greggs at dinnertime and got me nowt. What’s worse is that he didn’t even partake of the hallowed sausage roll (got bless its golden pastry layers). The daft bugger got a square of pizza, ffs. In Greggs.
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Nah that's a choice that a man makes with himself you fucking sausazi. As long as he was being racist in there it does not matter what he ate.
 
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