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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Necrosan]

This is a naive question, but is it not possible to boycott Deliveroo, Just Eat and all these other delivery companies that employ illegals on bikes ? Or just companies that employ illegals full stop ?
I don't know how it works, I don't have food delivered to my house. I tend to buy my food from the local shops and supplement it with supermarkets for things I have to buy. I don't really understand the lifestyle of people that would view food delivery as a necessity. I suppose they just don't care about us being invaded.
Does anybody else have a list of companies they won't do business with ? I have several ( I've mentioned it a few months ago ).

The only thing that kills those places nowadays is a better alternative. Not having a community of people that trust eachother makes boycotting even harder.

Nowadays, people could have a pointy stick shoved up their ass and they would still say "it's not that bad" or "it is what it is" before they do anything that inconveniences them.

 

[Gregis]

I get what you're saying, but my point is that if technology can be used for good rather than bad then maybe it's not a bad thing overall.

Yes, I'd rather not have control in society, but it's not as if we can ask those committing those acts which have led to the erosion of our freedoms to 'please be nice and stop it.'

The Government is control mad, yes, but let's also be critical of those bad actors whose actions have also restricted our freedoms - from making forums collect ID on users because previously people have signed up just to be abusive and threatening to others they don't like to full-on cyber attacks on businesses which then had to ramp up their security.

Get involved in UK politics and don't become an authoritarian challenge: impossible.

 

[BongoMongo]

The only thing that kills those places nowadays is a better alternative. Not having a community of people that trust eachother makes boycotting even harder.

Nowadays, people could have a pointy stick shoved up their ass and they would still say "it's not that bad" or "it is what it is" before they do anything that inconveniences them.

I am very lucky where I live. There's a range of excellent shops and takeaways,and the takeaways all offer their own delivery service.

While I despise immigrants and Pakis the local paki shops are great. One is a typical corner shop and another seemingly sells everything. Bedding, pots and pans,small first aid items,candles and catering grade blue roll (if you've worked in catering or hospitality you know what I mean. That shit is great).

Using just eat or deliveroo would be a disservice to those businesses. As I say I know I am lucky and that not all are in the same boat.

I'll say one thing for Pakis: they know their cookware and I got fantastic set of copper pans from the sells everything shop near me. They look beautiful, wash well, and I got a frying pan, big saucepan, medium one and milk pan,with a small Turkish, I think it's called a cefze? One of those fancy coffee pots with a long handle you put on the stove, for £75. It's near indestructible and gets more lovely looking with every wash. I got a real bargain there.

 

[Crunkle]

I'll say one thing for Pakis: they know their cookware

We can import their products to this country without importing half of their population.

Fuck off, we're full.

 

[Made In Wales]

Get involved in UK politics and don't become an authoritarian challenge: impossible.

It is impossible.

It would be lovely to live in a 50s type society where cash was king and people could have their wages given to them at the end of the week.

However, because wage robberies became a thing, companies then had to transfer wages directly into people's bank accounts. That's when credit and debit cards became a thing.

The progressives will never stop wanting new technology and that's something which a lot of people are blindsided by in the argument - the Government is a shit referee in the battle between bad actors and draconian tech over-reach and will put business and money first before individual rights.

The question then is how do you not just get the Government to listen but also the progressives, the draconian tech overlords and the bad actors? You near enough can't - these people don't care that you now have 2FA or KYC, they want it to be 100 times more difficult for you.

On the flip side, you cannot make security too lax and when data harvesting and bank frauds are at a record high then there has to be a way of keeping people safe. Yeah, I don't like being controlled as much as the next person doesn't, but I'm well aware that you cannot just blame the Government all the time for this.

Do I blame the Government if I go out and my house gets burgled because I didn't lock the door - NO

Should I be able to go out and leave my door unlocked - YES

Am I wholly opposed to child porn being available online - YES

Would I be prepared to prove who I am before accessing the internet, meaning that if I accessed such stuff (and no I would never do that, gross) the Police would know and arrest me thus making society safer? - YES, if I was going to use the internet safely and not for sick purposes.

As for using the Dark Net, then user beware should be the watch word. A lot more needs to be done to shut down the bad sites there (again, not KF) but that is going to take 100 years or more.

Authoritarianism where the end result is less crime, less abuse and a safer society which benefits all is something I wouldn't be displeased with. We can't have a nonce free society, for example, by just saying 'all control is bad' in fact that only makes it 100 times worse.

 

[BongoMongo]

We can import their products to this country without importing half of their population.

Fuck off, we're full.

We absolutely can and should do, I agree. I am all for that. We should send them back yesterday. The fact their cookware is excellent is a fact in and of itself, as is they don't need to be here and we need to get rid

I can like and appreciate my saucepans and still think we need to send them home. The two are mutually compatible. However until we elect a government willing to do so (or indeed, unless) I don't see how it will happen.

We need in power a hard right party like Patriotic Alternative or Homeland (lol faggots) but I don't see how that will happen.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

Sheffield is SOUTH Yorkshire I’ll have you know.

It's still yarkshire, i.e. shite

 

[EddyRooney]

I'd personally take some moderate form of ID if the end result would be no more cyber-stalking, online death threats, stalking and rape (as a result of following a person online) and certainly if the scourge of child pornography ended. Though, I'd sooner welcome stiffer prison sentences for those who commit cyber crimes (and I don't count using Kiwi Farms as a cyber crime at all) and in the case of anybody who harms a child I favour instant death.

"Moderate" is how it always starts. If you believe this isn't a slippery slope into totalitarianism then mega . You seem to then be trotting out the tired old argument of "if you're not in favour of this, you support ( something obnoxious )" - the things you mention are terrible, but unfortunately they have been going on since time immemorial. Fundamentally there are nasty, perveted, hurtful people in this world and whilst I have a sympathy for making thier objectives harder to achieve, I don't think it should be at the cost of our freedom. Only weak people are prepared to give up their freedom for security ( and that is in effect what this is ) - you end up with neither ( paraphrasing Benjamin Franklin ).

While I despise immigrants and Pakis the local paki shops are great.

So you are prepared to sell your soul for a little convenience ? I can appreciate in an absolute emergency making a purchase, but I don't know the alternatives for cookware - Lakeland, John Lewis or Amazon ? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I suppose I am fortunate. There is a row of shops about 10 minutes drive to me that has English run butcher's, baker's, greengrocer's ( no candle stick makers, unfortunately ). I would rather shop with them than line the pockets of people I don't want to be around. My money, my choice ( although doubtless soon to be outlawed ) - your money, your choice.
Controversial thought - perhaps the proclivity of my actions ( money to locals, not foreign nationals ) is reflected in the rest of the people in my community - possibly this might be why where I live isn't overrun yet ?

 

[Necrosan]

Authoritarianism where the end result is less crime, less abuse and a safer society which benefits all is something I wouldn't be displeased with. We can't have a nonce free society, for example, by just saying 'all control is bad' in fact that only makes it 100 times worse.

In order to access those things the people gotta keep the power in check, the problem is that people mistakenly believe that voting is the only way to do that.

Is not just "the government is evil", it's "the government is allowed to be evil", I wouldn't be surprised if I heard stories about people who got into politics with good intentions in these governments but then realized how easy it is to take over and do what you want because no one will ever hold you accountable or people who just gave up on doing things for the better because the bad guys have it so easy.

If we ever get to the point where things get better, people need to be reminded, hammered to their skulls, that it is their duty to bully the government and constantly be reminded of what happens when they don't.

 

[Made In Wales]

We absolutely can and should do, I agree. I am all for that. We should send them back yesterday. The fact their cookware is excellent is a fact in and of itself, as is they don't need to be here and we need to get rid

I can like and appreciate my saucepans and still think we need to send them home. The two are mutually compatible. However until we elect a government willing to do so (or indeed, unless) I don't see how it will happen.

We need in power a hard right party like Patriotic Alternative or Homeland (lol faggots) but I don't see how that will happen.

The only way it would be achievable is to merge all of the Right parties including Reform UK into one solid mass party for 'Right Wing' Traditionalist Politics.

It's possible, but only after Nigel has left office.

A UKIP-Reform UK-Britain First-Heritage-Homeland-Reclaim-Abolish The Senedd etc. super party would definitely be a good thing.

After all, the Lib Dems and Greens may have to form a super coalition of their own as the opposition party next time out (maybe even with Your Party, depending on how big they get).

@EddyRooney Very true, but unless we can find a better solution to these problems then the Hobson's choice is going to be more of the same.

I did say as a caveat that I don't favour draconianism, however I am aware that unless we see a seismic shift back to something resembling a sensible society then our whims are going to be futile.

I don't like nor trust those making the rules, but I also feel very strongly about those breaking the rules and ruining society for selfish means.

@Necrosan Good point, but don't forget that a good amount of formerly decent MP's turned bad because they were made to. 'Oh we have this photo of you... tut tut, shame if people found out... what's that, you WILL do as we say? Excellent, then nobody finds out..'

 

[Gregis]

I'd personally take some moderate form of ID if the end result would be no more cyber-stalking, online death threats, stalking

Look I know we're A&Niggers, but did you know there's a section of the site that covers something called "lolcows"? I really don't see how your regime is going to end up not having to block KF if that's what you're going for. And again one man's stalking is another's journalism. As Null says, yes there are reasons to oppose things done on KF or value privacy more, but the focus on web forums and the anonymity of their users is obviously disingenuous, and you need to solve some very thorny questions and step on some much bigger corporate toes before you can go after individuals in a principled manner.

When it comes to the nonce question, I'd take it more seriously if first you make it a capital offense. If you want to look at everyone's ID before they go on the internet so you can figure out who's looking at csam, it's only going to make people think the ID was the point if you're only going to give the pedos some counseling and maybe a taxpayer-funded vacation.

 

[mold]

you guys do realize that everyone getting their own groceries and bringing their own stuff back from the store is a very recent thing? people used to have everything delivered. the issue is who's doing it, not delivery.

 

[BongoMongo]

@EddyRooney, I mean it was an absolute emergency, or at least it was to me at the time. It was 9pm on a Saturday night, and after a botched abortion of a house move, I had lost or mislaid my box of cookware and had nothing to cook with. If going to John Lewis had been an option (not that there's one near me) I would have done so.

It was the only option at the time. I'm not sure what your beef is however your hardline "kill them all" rhetoric is hardly helping the cause. That shit is precisely why the hard right in this country will never gain any real ground. Congratulations I guess.

 

[Crunkle]

A UKIP-Reform UK-Britain First-Heritage-Homeland-Reclaim-Abolish The Senedd etc. super party would definitely be a good thing.

I think that would be a complete and utter shitshow. Imagine Paul Golding and Nigel Farage in a room together along with Paul Joseph Watson and Sargon.. Electoral poison just like how Tommy Robinson knocked the final nail in the coffin for UKIP.

The fracture in the British right is even more loud and horrible than the fracture in the British left. These kinds of coalitions are really hard to maintain or even get into power because there isn't a singular voice. These people in these fringe parties are lifelong true believers, like a religion. Compromise isn't a word that fringe parties know.

 

[femboy fart huffer]

This is a naive question, but is it not possible to boycott Deliveroo, Just Eat and all these other delivery companies that employ illegals on bikes ? Or just companies that employ illegals full stop ?

'Is it possible to get niggercattle to reject pointless luxury for a short time in order to cut down on something ruining society'.
No. The existence of these apps is already the height of retardation, the people that are so deep in the consooomerism hole that they cannot fathom having to go to a restaurant to receive food will never give a shit.

The other problem is that these people are not illegals. They're fucking here legally. They are legal citizens. They just act like fucking animals, refuse to even try to conform to our society, refuse to find any form of constructive employment. They are here legally, for the express purpose of keeping wages low and fueling this mindless consumerist hellhole we've found ourselves in.

if it would stop cyber crime, stalking, harassment (proper harassment, not 'boo hoo nasty person hurt my feelings') and preventing the creation and distribution of child pornography that would be beneficial

You know it won't. We all know it won't. Don't give them an excuse, don't allow yourself to give fucking politicians of all people the benefit of the doubt. Do not ever trust them. The second you feel yourself thinking that maybe it would be helpful slap yourself and look at the news. There is no feasible way to ever stop crimes online short of a full blown chinese firewall with full hardware level monitoring. It will never work. Simple as. Any attempt to push digital ID is nothing more than trying to strip your privacy.

That was the only weird bit. There was a lady staring at us in the pub when we ordered our seventh Appletini. Might've been the drinks but it could've been that we were both sitting on the same upside-down bar stool (with room for two more!).

Did you get one of the communal piss trough bars though or did you go to some woke feminist nonsense? Nothing like pissing right next to your friend and shaking the piss drips out his cock for him, maybe not just piss

I get what you're saying, but my point is that if technology can be used for good rather than bad then maybe it's not a bad thing overall.

I get the feeling you might maybe not be the most into tech shit. There are two ways to implement digital ID. You either go ofcom retards like the current system where they just fucking hope that everyone will comply even though they have no legal obligation to do so and a lot of smaller websites simply just don't fucking know because it's some guy running a website on a laptop out of some Singaporean shed letting whatever porn be uploaded to it regardless of age. The current system just fucking hopes that people comply, by the fact you are reading this you should know that not everyone will comply and that it is incredibly easy to work around ID verification in the website itself. The other way around is you block every single website and have the ID tied to your computer and modem instead of your reddit account or whatever. There are two main countries that do this, China and North Korea. I am not going to tell you that following in the steps of either of them is fucking retarded, just that if you need anyone to tell you that then please consider suicide. If you do not implement hardware level ID checks and blocks then you will never have that level of security and it will always fail.

Also this country once again lets fucking convicted child porn distributors walk free and the jail time for rape is less than mean words online. Not even the social credit system that we would have to copy is quite that fucking retarded.

 

[Made In Wales]

Look I know we're A&Niggers, but did you know there's a section of the site that covers something called "lolcows"? I really don't see how your regime is going to end up not having to block KF if that's what you're going for. And again one man's stalking is another's journalism. As Null says, yes there are reasons to oppose things done on KF or value privacy more, but the focus on web forums and the anonymity of their users is obviously disingenuous, and you need to solve some very thorny questions and step on some much bigger corporate toes before you can go after individuals in a principled manner.

When it comes to the nonce question, I'd take it more seriously if first you make it a capital offense. If you want to look at everyone's ID before they go on the internet so you can figure out who's looking at csam, it's only going to make people think the ID was the point if you're only going to give the pedos some counseling and maybe a taxpayer-funded vacation.

Agreed on the point of journalism v stalking until it gets to the point of hurting somebody for no good reason.

Nobody should feel threatened if they've done nothing wrong, and there's sadly many incidents of doxxing under false pretenses and bad actors - now the diaper furry mentioned on the front page has done wrong things and should be exposed as a degenerate. If a person is a sex offender and especially if they have or could very well abuse a child then I am for journalism in that regard.

In an ideal world, common sense would prevail - Kiwi Farms and Tattle are not dangerous or bad websites and those who get flamed often deserve it as the evidence against them is usually staggering.

I did say that all nonces deserve the woodchipper and that would be preferable to a wide-scale roll out of digital ID securities. However, you will always have a few idiots who think they can't be stopped and that nobody will ever find them even with a VPN and they'll go and look at sick and depraved crap. The only counseling and vacation I'd give them is a permanent stay in hell.

I wish that there weren't rapists, stalkers, paedos etc. in the world, but sadly there are and we have to keep society safe from them whilst also controlling what they do to prevent atrocities.

If only there was a happy medium to all this.

To make it clear, yeah I get that a lot of people don't like what I'm saying and I am more than aware that a slippery slope is no good. My point is that if you want to live in a secure but fair society then we either have to become more authoritarian in terms of the rule of law or technology gets more draconian. Sadly, those are the two choices, and I honestly wish it didn't have to be.

I only use TOR to access this site because this site is one of the last bastions of free speech and Tattle will no doubt be pulled offline one day soon.

@Crunkle I did say only after Nigel left would it be anywhere near possible, and I think Sargon's no longer interested in standing as a politician. Paul Golding as head of a 'UK Nationalists Party' would be good and by then the move right would then be venturing onto their territory and it would be easier to convince people that keeping the UK safe from illegals, not having wars, having a low cost of living etc. is actually not racist but beneficial. The opposition by then will have no counter argument and Brexit will have worked out whilst the EU crumbles into nothing.

There's strength in numbers and whilst I support Laurence Fox etc. with having their parties, we can only be strong united under one banner. That day will have to come soon.

@femboy fart huffer I agree that the China/North Korea route is not the way, I'd just like to see if possible a sensible compromise between the freedom for me and others to use the internet and the freedom to not have that experience ruined by bad actors from sex offenders to scammers etc.

Maybe we need to wait for Tim Berners-Lee to invent Internet 2 and switch the current one off.

 

[Big Judge Cock]

Fucking pisses me off that people can't stop eating their orange slop for one minute to cut off these shitters with their Deliveroo or whatever. Or don't go to the "turkish barbers", jesus christ every town has a load of hairdressers, stop giving these fuckers your money!

 

[EddyRooney]

I'm not sure what your beef is however your hardline "kill them all" rhetoric is hardly helping the cause. That shit is precisely why the hard right in this country will never gain any real ground. Congratulations I guess.

Please quote me where I have said "kill them all" - I have never suggested violence. There is a difference between non co-operation, non familiarity, not supporting economically and violence. For a start, legality. I have the right to choose who I make part of my community, as I said, my money, my choice - the government can't force me to like everyone, yet. The fact that you choose to spend your money differently is your privilege.
In all honesty I think the assumption you've made about me is retarded. You've conflated two separate things and drawn an illogical conclusion.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

This is a naive question, but is it not possible to boycott Deliveroo, Just Eat and all these other delivery companies that employ illegals on bikes ? Or just companies that employ illegals full stop ?

I've been boycotting all those plus uber for years because I'm not spending £30 for cold food when I could do the bougie thing and buy a starter+main+dessert from M&S for £15 and eat like a king. It feeds two so I can share it when the missus is here and have leftovers the next day when she isn't.

It astounds me how much niggerslop people consume when you can get quality food for half the price that just needs bunged in the oven for 30 minutes. I'd spend longer than that waiting for Stacy, 49 (actually some nigger using her account) to deliver it.

And that's just if I want a treat, you can eat like a king for well under a tenner if you do the bare minimum and think about things a few days in advance.

 

[Made In Wales]

I've been boycotting all those plus uber for years because I'm not spending £30 for cold food when I could do the bougie thing and buy a starter+main+dessert from M&S for £15 and eat like a king. It feeds two so I can share it when the missus is here and have leftovers the next day when she isn't.

It astounds me how much niggerslop people consume when you can get quality food for half the price that just needs bunged in the oven for 30 minutes. I'd spend longer than that waiting for Stacy, 49 (actually some nigger using her account) to deliver it.

And that's just if I want a treat, you can eat like a king for well under a tenner if you do the bare minimum and think about things a few days in advance.

Learn to cook, it's way cheaper than Uber and co.

There's also the + thing for £5.99 as well where you can get 90 days worth of deliveries or some crap...

If I want to eat out, there's KFC, Harvester, Taco Bell and at least six very good gastro pubs nearby which are better options. There's also a McDonald's but I'd rather be blind than go there.