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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Bit more of a news roundup. Firstly tourist city seeks economic suicide.
The tourist tax for visitors to Edinburgh will be set at 5% of accommodation costs, after final details for the proposed levy were confirmed.
City councillors will now decide whether to back the new tax - which would take effect from 24 July 2026 - at two meetings later this month.
The charge, which mimics those already used in Germany, Spain and Italy, covers hotels, B&Bs, self-catering accommodation and rooms and properties let through websites such as AirBnB.
The local authority hope to raise around £50m, external in funds per year via the tax, which it says will go towards improving the city, but businesses have claimed it could hurt trade.
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A new report for the council's policy and sustainability committee - which followed a public consultation on the scheme - argued any charge higher than 5% "could be a deterring factor for visitors".
The Scottish Greens previously called for the levy to be set higher, at 8%.
The report has also suggested a "transition period" be established to help businesses adjust to the changes, which means that only bookings made after 1 May this year, for stays after 24 July next year, will be eligible for the tax.
Further changes from previously published drafts are capping the number of nights the tax affects at five, rather than seven, and removing an exemption for campsites, which will now be eligible.
The council voted in August last year to introduce the tax, after the Scottish government passed legislation giving local authorities the power to do so.


Edinburgh city council leader Jane Meagher said she believes the tax will bring "huge benefits" to the city but won't be a "silver bullet" for problems with housing.
She also denied that the tax would put off visitors.
Meagher added: "People understand the need for a visitor levy, because inevitably people coming to the city use resources that are currently paid for through council tax.
"They understand the logic of it, but most importantly get the benefits of it - they'll have a better experience coming to the city."
The fee would be a percentage of the cost of overnight accommodation - minus commission the provider pays to any online booking service and room "add-ons" like food and drink.
Leon Thompson, executive director of the trade body UKHospitality Scotland, said it was "crucial" that the levy was not raised above 5%, but that "clear and detailed guidance" was needed to help businesses implement the tax.
He said: "It's positive that the council has listened to strong feedback from hospitality businesses on this point.
"I would urge councillors to understand that the rate cannot be punitive and to be mindful of the impact any additional costs will have on businesses and visitors."
In 2023 a housing emergency was declared in Edinburgh, due to soaring house prices and rental rates, as well as a record number of people identifying as being homeless.
Tourists contribute an estimated 5.3 million overnight stays to the city every year, but already expensive room rates soar in price during the August festival season - leading some comedians and performers to say they were being priced out of attending.
A number of other Scottish local authorities have expressed interest in a tourist tax, saying they do not have enough facilities to cope with escalating numbers of visitors.
Next an oldy but goody, Lib Dems sued by former candidate because of gender critical beliefs.
The Liberal Democrats have been ordered to pay £14,000 to a former parliamentary candidate who says she was driven out of the party and barred from standing as an MP over her gender-critical views.
Natalie Bird was removed as a prospective parliamentary candidate for Wakefield after she wore a top bearing the slogan "Woman: Adult Human Female" to a party meeting.
Ms Bird, from Stockport, said she was "treated like a wicked witch and felt targeted" in a campaign of discrimination, Central London County Court heard on Wednesday.
She had asked for an award of £90,000 for injury to feelings for breach of her membership contract and rights under the Equality Act.
Ms Bird sued for discrimination, and representatives of the Lib Dem membership had previously conceded the claim.
Ms Bird had been critical of the party's policies online but Judge Jane Evans-Gordon said "there was no evidence Ms Bird's views ever crossed the line and became transphobic or abusive".
The court heard: "Ms Bird holds the belief that sex and gender are separate. Her views are known as gender critical.
"She alleges that as a result she has suffered discrimination by the Liberal Democrats, which has caused great hurt to her feelings."

The judge said the level of compensation reflected the fact the discrimination was not "a one-off or an isolated incident and it is likely to have had a significant impact on Ms Bird".
She noted Ms Bird was not prevented from returning to work, and so the sum made allowances for the unfair process involved in her removal but not for her lack of progress in her political career.
The judge said any higher compensation could put her in line with someone who had suffered scarring or permanent loss of vision and "it seems to me that the loss of feeling cannot be compared to the loss of an eye".
The judge added: "Political parties are entitled to choose candidates who support party policies and remove those who disagree with the policies.
"They cannot be expected to choose those who publicly disagree and undermine party policy."
Ms Bird said she was called "an Illiberal Terf", suspended from the Lib Dems and banned from standing as an MP for a decade.
Terf stands for trans-exclusionary radical feminist.
Ms Bird wore the T-shirt bearing the words "Woman: Adult Human Female" in the days after she was nominated as the Lib Dem candidate for Wakefield in December 2018.
Soon afterwards she received a letter suspending her membership and notifying her there would be a formal disciplinary hearing against her for breaching the party's code of conduct.
Ms Bird did not see the suspension letter as she was on her way to a meeting of the Wakefield District Liberal Democrat Club where she was turned away and told to leave.
She described this as "an extremely humiliating, embarrassing and upsetting experience".
An offer of £40,000 was made to settle the case but it was "never properly engaged with" by Ms Bird, the court heard. She will receive 90% of her costs which have yet to be set.
Speaking after the ruling, a Lib Dem spokesman said: "This case relates to events that took place in 2019 under a different complaints system that has since been changed."
Entirely posted for MPs allegedly being told "Put your big nappy on and ignore it"
"Everybody's nervous – because they simply don't know what he is going to do."
That is the basic truth about Trump for governments, business bosses, military chiefs, and maybe you feel it too as he gets ready to make his incredible political comeback official.
He will take the Oath of Office for the second time on Monday, becoming the most powerful man in the Western world and in charge of the UK's biggest trading partner. Soon after, he can sign executive orders that might affect how the UK makes a living or defends itself.
The range of risks is enormous. The opportunities are too.
Trump and his team are different this time round, more prepared, with a more aggressive agenda perhaps, but his delight in keeping the world guessing seems undimmed. It's this uncertainty accompanying Trump that Whitehall and Westminster find so shocking.
How can the UK prepare for what it can't yet know?

Stay out of the circus​

A small group of senior ministers has been trying.
There have been series of secret "mini-cabinet" meetings, with the Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer, the Chancellor Rachel Reeves, the Foreign Secretary David Lammy, and the Business Secretary Jonathan Reynolds "trying to plan for what might come", according to one source.
One insider tells me there hasn't been too much preparation for multiple specific scenarios because "you'd drive yourself crazy" trying to guess Trump's next steps. But another source says various papers have been prepared to be presented to the wider Cabinet.
I'm told the focus has been "looking for opportunities" rather than panicking about whether Trump might follow through on some of his more outlandish statements, such as annexing Canada.
The PM's picked one of Labour's wiliest operators as his voice in DC, Lord Mandelson, who on Friday chose to write a piece for Fox News, Trump's favourite news outlet. He was incredibly rude about Trump in the not-so-distant past but now heaps praise on him – and he's not the only Labour figure to change his tune.
(As we revealed in our newsletter on Thursday, sadly for Jock and Poppy, Mandelson's border collie and schnauzer, the Foreign Office travel budget won't stretch for them to travel to DC in canine style on the Queen Mary 2 ocean liner).
The government might not have been in power during Trump's last term, but in Westminster, and in the City, there's a universal memory of his late-night social media posts causing frenzies.
There is a determination this time round to stay out of the circus.
One senior figure says diplomatically: "We will be calm and nimble."
With less politesse, another source who's dealt with Trump said: "Trump is going to say things that make Labour MPs mad – don't brief that the PM is personally upset. Put your big nappy on and ignore it."


Keeping us safe - and anxiety about 'nightmare scenario'​

The hallmark of the relationship with our "chief ally", as described by a senior government source, is helping keep each other safe. At a time of unique instability around the world, the number of unknowns are deeply uncomfortable for Westminster and other allied capitals.
There is no question the intelligence and security relationship is incredibly close and was maintained during Trump's first term – despite some pretty big surprises at the UK end.
One source remembers that "the biggest jaw dropper was after the Salisbury attacks", when two Russian agents used the nerve agent Novichok on the streets of the UK. President Trump was at Chequers with then-PM Theresa May and her team, and seemed reluctant to take the attack as seriously as the UK was demanding.
One of those present explains: "We were arguing about how bad and destabilising that was – he asked why. We said a state with nuclear weapons had used this on the soil of another state with nukes, and he said, 'I didn't know the UK had nuclear weapons.'"
But during that first term, despite Trump's seeming threats to NATO, his bellicose rhetoric did push more European states to cough up extra cash for defence. The Abraham Accords were signed, though those agreements did not, as Trump boasted at the time, achieve a lasting peace in the Middle East. But they did mark progress.

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There is, though, inside government, genuine anxiety about what's described as the "nightmare scenario".
If the US cuts support for Ukraine, emboldening Russia, Europe might not agree about how – or if – to fight. That could leave Nato, the western defence alliance, split and fundamentally weakened. Sources question, however, whether this would really serve Trump's interests. After all he needs allies and a united West to combat China, America's biggest rival.
While grappling with the unpredictability – Trump's wild half-threats of making Canada the 51st State or grabbing Greenland – sources inside government also spot opportunities. One senior figure says: "In Ukraine and the Middle East there are options opening up. We need to partner so as to influence what the US does in these foreign policy priorities."
Sources point to a weaker Iran, progress towards the ceasefire between Gaza and Israel, and a growing sense that both sides want to bring the Ukraine conflict to an end. Trump's bravado about ending the war in a day has already softened to a three-to-six-month ambition and "there's no sign of a rush to abandonment now", says one insider.
But there is a sense in Kyiv and Whitehall that a negotiation is coming. The UK's hope is to help shape America's approach rather than panic about the US upping sticks.
And while the government is miles away from accepting anything like Trump's demand to increase defence spending to 5%, there is a private acknowledgement at senior levels in Whitehall that his demand for Europe to spend more of its own money on defence in Europe is not entirely illogical – and it's helpful to those making the case for more cash on defence here.

Economic nerves​

While some hedge fund traders might cash in from the kind of volatility Trump might create, there are plenty of nerves in other parts of the economy.
That's partly down to his tendency to sound off. A City source says: "You're always heart in mouth, waiting for the next wacky idea, or for him to say something crazy that is going to impact your business, a $10bn deal that's on the slate, and you are three quarters of the way there."
And it's not just his late-night online posts causing worry. One of his sells to the American public was to help those trading at home by putting taxes on imports, or tariffs, making it much more expensive for other countries to sell into the States.
But as the IMF warned yesterday, slapping extra tariffs on other countries could hit them hard, and impact the rest of the world's earning power.

Sir Keir and Foreign Secretary David Lammy will be key to the UK's relationship with Trump

In Cabinet there's awareness of how big a departure it would be if Trump goes as far as he has suggested. One minister told me: "It's a huge moment of history – American pledging a different way of doing business to what's essentially been in place since the second world war."
China and the EU, the other two big trading blocs, would be likely to answer back which could lead to "huge ramifications of a global trade war", the minister acknowledges.
Another senior figure warns the UK might struggle to be relevant in a bust up on that scale, saying there'll be an "arm wrestle between the three – they won't pay the UK or our interests very much attention".
As Trump, with the help of Elon Musk, looks to roll back regulation and cut tax, a City insider suggests the UK could fall out of favour because Trump's ambition is to build a very different economy to ours, and that could create a tension of its own.
But another City insider points out that the stock market is "one of the metrics he cares most about", and that it is driven by the big tech companies, many of whom depend on selling into China. "The love affair with the tech bros mean he's not going to want to undermine too much of that," they said.

Leader to leader​

Whether it's on the economy or Ukraine or any other issue, the relationship between president and prime minister will be absolutely crucial.
Starmer and Trump could hardly be more different. A lawyerly leader known as "Mr Rules" versus a man who is a convicted felon and has made a career out of behaving as if rules don't apply to him.
A No 10 source says forget all the noise, and points to the two men meeting in autumn and holding three phone calls since. "It is the direct conversations that really matter – whatever Trump's personal style it's clear the substance is there," they say, adding that the PM's calm temperament helps.
But others who've dealt with Trump in government, and been on calls with Trump and previous prime ministers, warn how difficult it can be. "On a good day, fantastic, on a bad day, you'd be crouching," one source said.
Another former official who was part of meetings with Trump and Boris Johnson said "they were like two silverbacks wrestling", making staff listening in next door cry with laughter. Johnson would "flatter him obsequiously" to get what he wanted.
The official was also on calls between Trump and May. These were totally different, with "more than a whiff of misogyny, he would shout over her" and talk about the Queen or invite her to play golf, rather than discuss tricky subjects May wanted to raise.
They believe handling Trump will be Sir Keir's biggest challenge: "We sent him a vicar's daughter, then a pirate who knew how to handle him, now a human rights lawyer," they say, adding "it's not going to work in a world increasingly like the time of 1930s strong men".


Whatever happens behind closed doors, as America's closest ally, defending Trump's decisions could be incredibly uncomfortable for the prime minister.
A former No 10 official says: "If Trump says there'll have to be partition in Ukraine, Boris will say awful, others in Labour will say awful, but if Starmer won't sell it in Europe, Trump will take offence and he will punish him."
Starmer's allies are more sanguine that "the politics don't have to match for the relationship to be a success".
And a success is what they must hope for. It is no secret Labour would have preferred the Democrats and some staff even went to bang on doors for Kamala Harris.
The question for government is how to influence Trump to get what the UK wants, and how to keep its head when the inevitable dramas arrive.
A foreign policy insider told me: "It might come at a price, but it is in our interest for him to be a success, not be cantankerous."
The incoming president is perhaps both an emblem and a product of the changed and uncertain times we live in. As one minister says, "it's all gone in Trump's direction".
It is impossible to be sure what Donald Trump, mark two, will do. But after his incredible comeback, and months of nerves on both sides of the Atlantic, we don't have long to wait.
 
The tourist tax for visitors to Edinburgh will be set at 5% of accommodation costs, after final details for the proposed levy were confirmed.
Taxing tourists to come here is one of the most retarded things we could have thought to do. We already suffered a decline in 2024 and tourism to areas not called London was going down before that. Threatening to tax them extra just to come here which is already expensive is just going to kill off our already declining tourism industry when really we should be trying to encourage it.
 
One of Liz Truss's ideas was to allow tourists to come here and not have to pay any tax or VAT for shopping purposes, to attract rich foreigners to come and splerg for a weekend (Just like what happened in NYC when the dollar was $2:£1)
Instead, labour do the opposite. Many such cases.
 
Mornin'

Today is the 43rd anniversary of Ozzy Osbourne biting the head off a bat on his tour in Des Moines, Iowa. The British news should focus on this and not on Trump or America, thank you.
 
Thank you, @Morethanabitfoolish. I got off the phone with the in-laws (in the US). They were going to Edinburgh in August, but they changed their hotel location outside the city. The cost Americans, especially, pay coming here is insane. My other half paid 3k on their flight for Christmas, but the conversions, etc., are insane. We are both lucky to be OK financially, well, exist, but this is a massive deal breaker. Edinburgh fucked itself so hard because the few times I went there it is full of Americans and Japanese tourists and both tend to be big spenders but doing this is so incredibly stupid. I live in a very well-known tourist area and the local shopkeepers I know said the number of tourists they had in 2024 was way down I used to hear Americans constantly in the summer but only saw a few.

I still cannot articulate the stupidity of this government, it seems like it wants to commit economic seppuku willingly. From the academic side, we had 30% of our cohort leave uni due to being priced out and we are expecting to go from a cohort of 200 to 60 before summer and this is a top university too. A friend in one of the more technical unis said their cohort of 400 went down to 80, they lost all their Indians. The loss economically but also academically is huge because if you compile how much they are contributing on a macro level it's millions on such a small subset. This government thinks everything happens in trickles but this is a torrent and if not addressed the uni cities will become cemeteries. Just look at how bad Bristol has got, it has a great uni but the area is so bad that people stay away from there.

Also can we just kill nonces please they bring no benefit to the country, it would mean we kill 50% of the political estate but it is for the greater good.
 
Axel Rudakubana's lawyers have entered his guilty plea today. Manchester Evening News is doing live updates of the trial, today's short hearing is here. This seems to be unexpected and a way to circumvent evidence being entered into the public record. Rudakubana refused to stand or speak when instructed, sentencing this Thursday.

Apparently the guilty plea means a guaranteed life sentence, but whole-life or natural life cannot be given because he was under 18 at the time of being full Jihadi.

The other big trials set for today have been punted out. Ricky Jones is now August 11th, making it a full year after the offence was committed. Anthony Esan is April 11th, this was changed back in December.

ETA: Unconfirmed rumors Musk is covering Tommy Robinson's legal costs over the 'terrorism' charges.
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look at how bad Bristol has got
I lived in Bristol for years until recently and I am not sure what you mean by this. It is very much a town dominated by the two universities, it's noticeably empty when the students are away and large amount of the locla economy not only survives off their spending, but is also fed by their graduates. When I left the centre had some 5 seperate university halls being built as well as a new campus.

A significant amount stay in the city post-uni as well. Plenty of grad jobs in and around the area plus it's a nice place to live. I think Bristol is a bad example here.
 
Axel Rudakubana has entered a guilty plea. Manchester Evening News is doing live updates of the trial, today's short hearing is here.
Not saying anything now, but I wonder if he'll make a statement at his sentencing.
 
Not saying anything now, but I wonder if he'll make a statement at his sentencing.
I've edited the post slightly. Call me a cynic, but both the silence and the guilty plea serve to keep information out of the public domain so I think these are handler's orders and we will never hear this creature speak.
 
Axel Rudakubana's lawyers have entered his guilty plea today. Manchester Evening News is doing live updates of the trial, today's short hearing is here. This seems to be unexpected and a way to circumvent evidence being entered into the public record. Rudakubana refused to stand or speak when instructed, sentencing this Thursday.

Apparently the guilty plea means a guaranteed life sentence, but whole-life or natural life cannot be given because he was under 18 at the time of being going full Jihadi (I'm assuming we can use Jihadi in place of retard now).
Now I wonder why they don't want any information to come out and their ok with him refusing to speak or go to the stand?
 
He was referred to Prevent three times before the age of 18. The Guardian had this ready to go the second he pled and ended their legal exposure:

Axel Rudakubana was referred to counter-extremism scheme three times​

Exclusive: Teenager who has admitted murdering three young girls in Southport was first referred to Prevent in 2019
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The teenager who murdered three young girls at a dance class in Southport was referred three times to Prevent, the government’s scheme to stop terrorist violence, the Guardian has learned. One of the referrals followed concerns about Axel Rudakubana’s potential interest in the killing of children in a school massacre, it is understood.

His behaviour, including his apparent interest in violence, was assessed by Prevent as potentially concerning. But he was deemed not to be motivated by a terrorist ideology or pose a terrorist danger and was therefore not considered suitable for the counter-radicalisation scheme.

Rudakubana, who was 17 at the time of the Southport attack last summer, was first referred to Prevent in 2019 when he was 13. A further two referrals were made in 2021, all when he was a school child living in Lancashire. After one of the referrals, it was recommended that Rudakubana be referred to other services. It is not known if this happened. Prevent is the official national programme to identify those feared to be falling for terrorist ideologies and then to turn them away from carrying out violence. Children and adults referred to the scheme are assessed and, if they are deemed to pose sufficient risk, work is done to reduce that danger.

In July, Rudakubana attacked a dance class, killing three girls aged nine, seven and six, and wounding eight more children as well as two adults. On Monday, he pleaded guilty to murder and attempted murder. Last month, he was also charged with a terror offence and on Monday he also pleaded guilty to possessing a document called Military studies in the jihad against the tyrants – the al-Qaida training manual, and also to producing the biological toxin ricin. Police say that despite extensive searches and investigation there is no evidence of a terrorist motivation for the Southport attack carried out by Rudakubana during a Taylor Swift-themed dance class. Multiple sources confirmed Rudakubana’s referral to Prevent to the Guardian.

After the stabbings and his subsequent arrest, an emergency review of how Prevent dealt with Rudakubana was ordered. It concluded that the Prevent policies at the time, covering the criteria needed to accept someone on the scheme for de-radicalisation work, were correctly followed.

Rudakubana was born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents, with his family later settling in Banks, Lancashire. He was first referred to Prevent over concerns he was looking at material about school massacres in the US, and a fascination with violence. He used computers at the school he attended at the time to search for material on school massacres, it is understood.

By early 2020, after the first referral the previous year, it was assessed that he did not fit the criteria for the voluntary scheme but should be referred to other services. Two years later, in 2021, he was referred again to Prevent after viewing material on Libya and past terrorist attacks, including those on London in 2017. The material is understood to have consisted of news articles, and at the time he was assessed by Prevent, officials did not have any information that he was viewing or searching for extremist material.

On each occasion it was decided that while the behaviour might be concerning it did not meet the threshold for intervention by Prevent. He was judged three times not to pose a terrorism risk, and was thus outside the scope of the scheme. But sources say there remains a grey area in cases where it is feared that a young person may pose a risk of violence, but where there is no sign of a terrorist ideology motivating them. Prevent exists solely to stem the flow of recruits for terrorism and there is no similar scheme for those thought to pose a risk of violence where terrorism is not suspected.
A source said: “There is a gap for those who are volatile, who need management, who may be dangerous. There is nothing for them.”

Last month , the home secretary announced reforms to Prevent. It was at least in part an attempt to deal with any criticism after the Southport killer’s trial ended and his involvement with the anti-radicalisation became known. Yvette Cooper said the threshold at which Prevent became involved with people would be reviewed. At the moment Prevent is only suitable for those with a clear extremist ideology. Cooper said: “A lack of clarity remains over whether Prevent should be confined to cases of clear ideology or should also be picking up cases where the ideology is less clear, or where there is a fixation with violence.”

Recent Prevent statistics showed most referrals were for individuals with a vulnerability but no ideology or counter-terrorism risk. Cooper promised changes to the Prevent programme and a new commissioner to oversee how it worked. Some of the material held by the authorities about Rudakubana describes him as saying he hated school and his teachers, and was being bullied. Those who assessed him believed the teenager may have had issues with neurodivergence or mental ill-health, which could be factors in the behaviours that were causing concern, a source said.

A source with close knowledge of mental health services in the Lancashire area at the time said they were in a dire state. “Many young people had to be sent out of the area, even with conditions as serious as schizophrenia, sometimes five or six hours from where their family were. Youth services have taken a hammering in the last decade.” The threshold for referral to Prevent is low, and most cases are not adopted by the scheme. The Guardian understands that other than his involvement with Prevent, Rudakubana is not mentioned in counter-terrorism databases held by the Security Service, MI5, or by counter-terrorism policing.

Counter-terrorism policing declined to comment.

And another for background (muh mentals). Apparently he's autistic now. I don't know where the family tree researchers got to, but this one talks about the father some more:

Axel Rudakubana: a ‘ticking timebomb’ who murdered three girls in Southport​

Rudakubana, an isolated teenager obsessed with genocide, carried out the worst attack on children in Britain since Dunblane
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Axel Rudakubana seemed, on the face of it, an unthreatening figure: a quiet boy from a God-fearing family, slightly built and small for his age. He showed passion for acting – once even playing Doctor Who in a BBC Children in Need advert, wearing spectacles and an oversized trenchcoat – but friends said he lacked the confidence for the big stage. He was on the books of a talent agency at the age of 11. But by the end of his schooling this summer he was a virtual recluse.

How this shy son of evangelical Christians was able to carry out a stabbing of such cruelty will be the subject of intense scrutiny after he pleaded guilty on Monday to murdering three young girls and trying to kill 10 others at a Taylor Swift-themed holiday club in Southport on 29 July.
Despite months of investigation, combing Rudakubana’s digital devices as well as every inch of his family home, detectives are unable to say why he carried out the worst targeted attack on children in Britain since the Dunblane massacre.

Some will be convinced the attack was terrorism even though the authorities remain unable to prove a specific motive. What is not in doubt, however, is that the nature of the offences – including his attempt to make the deadly poison, ricin, and possessing an al-Qaida handbook – raises questions about what was known about Rudakubana and whether he could have been stopped sooner. It can now be revealed that Rudakubana, 18, did briefly come to the attention of counter-terrorism officials but was assessed as not posing a risk of supporting terrorism or carrying out acts of violence in support of any cause.

Yet the Guardian has learned that the Cardiff-born teenager, whose Rwandan parents moved to Britain in 2002, had developed a deep and dark interest in extreme violence, spending hours researching genocide and watching graphic videos of murder. “He was absolutely obsessed with genocides,” said one senior official. “He could name every genocide in history and how many people were killed – Rwanda, Genghis Khan, Hitler. It’s all he wanted to talk about.”

Rudakubana had a closer connection to genocide than most other British youths: his father, Alphonse, is thought to have fought with the Rwandan Patriotic Army (RPA), an armed force that battled the Hutu-dominated regime in Rwanda and eventually brought an end to the mass ethnic killings of 1994. Alphonse, now 49, is reported to have been an RPA officer, possibly relatively senior, based in neighbouring Uganda, where his family are thought to have fled well before the genocide. One source said Alphonse had acquired significant military experience.

Rudakubana’s family background was a mystery to the vast majority of those who knew him in Southport. But by 29 July, the day of his attack, local authorities knew enough to view him as a concern. One official said the teenager, who is autistic, was under the supervision of social services, and local authority workers would insist on a police officer being present at their meetings with him. Neighbours said they saw police cars outside the family’s smart semi-detached home in the village of Banks “half a dozen” times in the weeks before he attacked the Hart Space centre, 5 miles away.
Social workers knew that he had recently left mainstream education after taking a knife into school and, in a separate incident described by sources, threatened teachers and pupils with a hockey stick on which Rudakubana had written their names.

One former schoolfriend described him, simply, as “a ticking timebomb”. Neighbours on the secluded cul-de-sac where the Rudakubana family lived rarely saw Axel. Some only realised he existed when the world’s media descended on Old School Close in Southport after the attack on 29 July. Others, however, thought something strange was afoot earlier that day. One neighbour saw the then 17-year-old “mooching around” at 6am. It was memorable because he was rarely seen out alone – and never that early. “I’ve never, ever seen him walking about the estate,” he said. “He never had any friends around.”

“He was a recluse, he wasn’t somebody that would play football on the street or anything like that,” another said. “He just seemed a bit of a loner.” The neighbour had seen Rudakubana outside his house before he left to carry out the attack, but said: “I’ve lived here a long time, and that’s probably only the second time I’ve seen him.”

“It was unusual, very unusual,” he said. “He was pacing up and down.” Another said the only time he had noticed Rudakubana was when his father would drive him to and from school. “He was quiet. He used to just stand there kicking stones waiting for his dad to come out,” he said.

Shortly before 11am that sunny day, an hour before the stabbings, Rudakubana was caught on doorbell cameras walking up the street, a green hood pulled over his head with his face partially covered by a Covid-style mask. He moved purposefully towards a nearby social club, which was due to host a children’s drama club later that day. A short walk away, a skate park was filled with youngsters enjoying the start of the school summer holidays.
Rudakubana returned home five minutes later, his left hand hidden inside his green hoodie and his face still concealed behind the mask. Half an hour later, at 11.23am, he re-emerged from his home. Within minutes, he would be in a taxi, armed with a knife, on the 15-minute drive to the Hart Space, where parents were arriving to pick up their children.

Born in Cardiff, Wales, four years after his parents moved to Britain from Rwanda in the hope of a better life, Rudakubana appears to have enjoyed a happy boisterous childhood along with his older brother – a talented musician and high-achieving mathematician. “Mum was a stay-at-home mum, dad went to work in a small car like a Fiesta or Polo,” said a former neighbour, who knew the family when they lived in a rental property in Thornhill, in the north of the Welsh capital. “They were a normal family."

“I knew they came from Rwanda, I knew there was a history there but I wasn’t going to pry. They kept themselves to themselves. We chatted over the garden fence at times. I remember their cooking, they brought the smells and tastes of home obviously.” The neighbour said Axel was quieter than his older brother, who she said was “full of mischief”. The two of them would “run their mum ragged as little boys do”.

“The younger one was quite clingy, clung to mum quite a bit. So initially I thought they were talking about the older one as he was very mischievous. It was a terrible shock. My heart goes out to the parents. They were normal parents,” she said. “People have asked me was there signs of any violence? No there was not. Was there any sign of arguments? No there was not. Any sings of unhappiness? No there was not. My heart goes out to them.”

By the time he began secondary school, the family of four had moved 200 miles north, to the seaside town of Southport, telling neighbours that Rudakubana’s father had got a job in Liverpool. Where they might once have found comfort in the Welsh capital’s Rwandan community, there was less familiarity in the windswept holiday resort on the north-west coast.

While others his age were experimenting in the usual teenage ways, with drink and young romance, Rudakubana became a recluse, retreating to his bedroom and developing a dark interest in some of history’s bloodiest episodes. He was due to start studying for his GCSEs when schools were closed during the Covid pandemic. When they returned in March 2021, the teenager was beginning to live in a self-imposed form of lockdown.

One senior official said he would talk constantly to professionals about genocides, spanning from the Mongol emperor Genghis Khan to more recent atrocities. One of his particular fascinations was a conflict closer to home: the Rwanda genocide. The United Nations estimates that as many as 1 million people died in just over 100 days of violence that tore apart the east African nation in 1994. The Tutsi ethnic group made up about 14% of Rwanda’s population at the time but made up the vast majority of the dead.

Rudakubana’s parents – Alphonse and Laetitia Muzayire, 52 – were among the millions of young Rwandans who fled the country after seeing it divided along ethnic lines. Both of Rudakubana’s parents are Tutsi and well connected to the current ruling party in Rwanda, the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF), sources among exiles in the UK and western Europe say.

Reports differ about Rudakubana’s paternal grandfather, Dr Rudakubana, who some say was a high-ranking official in the administration of President Juvénal Habyarimana, the Hutu president whose death in 1994 when his plane was shot out of the sky triggered the genocide. Others insist that Dr Rudakubana was one of the founder members of the RPF. The grandfather’s family were from Kigali, the capital of Rwanda, but Rudakubana fled with his family to neighbouring Uganda before the genocide. Spurred by successive rounds of communal violence and growing Hutu extremism in Rwanda, many better-off and better-educated Tutsis did the same.

Alphonse is widely thought to have played a role in fighting Rwandan government forces from its bases in Uganda. Led by Paul Kagame, the current Rwandan president, the RPF eventually launched a successful military campaign that ended the genocide and allowed it to take power. Alphonse arrived in Britain two years after Kagame became president in 2000, starting what he hoped would be a better – more peaceful – life for his future family.

Rudakubana’s mother is said to have close links to the current Rwandan regime too. Several sources have claimed that Muzayire is related to the RPF’s general secretary, Wellars Gasamagera, one of the regime’s most powerful officials, though this remains unconfirmed. When they lived in Cardiff, Muzayire had a clerical role at the university’s school of dentistry but she is not believed to have found work in Southport, where they moved in around 2013. Alphonse worked as a taxi driver while trying to make a success of his fledgling online retail business, selling everything from bags to floor mats, clothes, laptop stands and jewellery. The family may well have turned to their Christian faith for solace in recent months. Contrary to the online disinformation, fanned by rightwing figures, that Rudakubana was an Islamist extremist, his background is in fact tied to the church.

Although the majority of Rwandans are Catholic, his mother has in recent years found comfort in evangelical Christianism. She is a fan of the popular US evangelist David Turner, who claims to be able to “heal” chronic illnesses and disabilities “through the power of Christ” and four years ago asked online for his support.

Rudakubana, when on the brink of his teenage years, is believed to have been diagnosed with a form of autism after displaying behavioural issues at school. It is difficult to pinpoint exactly when he took his wrong turn but by summer 2024, he had travelled down a very dark path. As he approached his 18th birthday, he hatched plans to inflict harm on a wide scale. In a sealed container hidden away in his bedroom, police found he had attempted to make the deadly poison ricin. It is not known how much of the toxin he managed to make but even tiny quantities – as little as 0.5mg – can be fatal when inhaled by adults.

Detectives do not believe he had used ricin on 29 July, or at any time before, suggesting he was at the experimental stage of his plans. But his interest in carrying out some kind of attack was clear: on his computer, police found a pdf document entitled “Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants: The al-Qaeda Training Manual”. The possession of this material elevated Rudakubana’s case to terrorism – warranting a charge under the Terrorism Act 2000 – although no other prohibited extremist material has been found on his devices since. This partly explains why the attack itself has not been declared a terrorist incident, as detectives are unable to point to a clear motive.

One former school friend, who did not want to be named, said he had been shocked by Rudakubana’s “horrific” crimes but felt he was a “ticking timebomb”. He said: “People know he’s mentally ill. The system know he’s mentally ill. A normal person doesn’t bring a [hockey stick] into school. He’s not a well lad – we know that. If it was my guess, the system know that and he’s a ticking timebomb.”

Shortly after midday on 29 July, a bloodied Rudakubana was arrested by officers armed with stun guns who found him in the Hart Space, a perinatal yoga studio, which by now was surrounded by screaming and terrified parents. A convoy of armed police arrived at speed on Old School Close barely an hour later. The Guardian has been told that in the frantic hours that followed, officials were briefed that Rudakubana was “known to police, went in there with a kitchen knife, and had been looking at beheading videos”. One of those involved in emergency meetings said the teenager was described as “well known for looking at grotesque images and went [to the Hart Space] with the intent to kill a child”.

Nearly six months after a killing rampage that left three young girls dead and countless more scarred, ministers will now be pressed to uncover precisely what was known about Rudakubana at the time and – crucially – if he could have been stopped.

And one from the Mail. Apparently a week before, Axel had planned a mass murder at his old high school prevented by his father. All sources are careful to state no evidence Alphonse was aware of this plan, but the same sources describe him racing or running to stop Axel leaving in a taxi so...

How Axel Rudakubana was 'planning UK's first high school massacre' but was stopped by his dad a week before he murdered three girls in Southport rampage - as he admits murder, a terror offence and making ricin​

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Southport knife attacker Axel Rudakubana is feared to have been planning Britain's first high school massacre a week before the rampage - but was talked out of going to the building by his father, it can be revealed.

Armed with a large kitchen knife, the teenager wore a green hooded sweatshirt and surgical mask as he left his home to a waiting taxi. It would be the same outfit he chose to wear when he went on his murderous rampage in Southport last July. But his father Alphonse ran out after him and pleaded with the taxi driver not to take him on the 15-mile journey from the family home in Banks, Lancashire, to Range High School, in Formby, Merseyside.
There is no suggestion Rudakubana's father knew what he is believed to have been planning at the school, but an eyewitness said: 'There was a confrontation and Rudakubana was eventually persuaded to leave the vehicle.' The revelation came as Rudakubana today pleaded guilty to killing three girls at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class in Southport on the first day of his trial.

Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine, Bebe King, six, and Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, died following the attack at the Taylor Swift-themed class in The Hart Space on a small business park in the seaside town shortly before midday on July 29, 2024.

He also admitted production of a biological toxin, ricin, and possession of information likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing to commit an act of terrorism. As Merseyside Police issued a chilling mugshot of Rudakubana who will be sentenced this Thursday at Liverpool Crown Court, also revealed today were:
All the signs Rudakubana would go on to kill including a hockey stick attack;
How his church-going parents were linked to the Rwandan genocide; and
He was referred to the counter-extremism programme Prevent three times.

Ahead of the planned attack on Range High, the then-17-year-old Rudakubana may have chosen to have targeted the school because he is a former pupil but left after a series of disturbing incidents several years earlier. When he was just 13, he brought a knife to the premises before being suspended. He returned and produced a hockey stick, attacking pupils before being restrained by a teacher. On another occasion, pupils filmed him attempting to attack a teacher during a lesson, having to be restrained by three classmates.

Details of the attempted high school attack on July 22 – a week before his murderous rampage in Southport – can now be revealed as Rudakubana faces the equivalent of a life sentence for murdering three girls and 10 attempted murders.

The incident would have been Britain's first US-style high school mass-killing. The only previous mass murder at a British school was the Dunblane massacre in 1996, when gunman Thomas Hamilton entered a primary school in Dunblane, Scotland, shooting dead 16 young children and their teacher before turning the gun on himself.

In the July 22 incident, Rudakubana had booked a taxi to take him from the family home at 12.20pm to get him to Range High for lunchtime – when the school was breaking up for the summer holidays. When he was about 13, a hooded Rudakubana burst into his school while barred from the premises for bringing in a knife, brandished a hockey stick he had produced from his backpack and began attacking pupils. The raging future killer was only disarmed after being bravely overpowered by a teacher. On another occasion, pupils filmed him attempting to attack a teacher during a lesson, having to be restrained by three classmates.

It is still not known why Rudakubana singled out the Taylor Swift-themed children's dance workshop held by dance teacher Leanne Lucas, which was advertised on Instagram. On the day of the killings, Rudakubana donned the identical outfit he wore a week earlier, with hood pulled up over his head and face covered by a surgical mask. Leaving his home at 11.10am, and armed with the same fearsome blade, he then booked a taxi to take him to the Ms Lucas's sell-out event.But this time, his parents are not believed to have been aware of his movements and there was nobody to stop him.

Within half an hour, two children, Elsie Dot Stancombe, aged seven, and Bebe King, six, were dead, nine more children and two adults left fighting for their lives and dozens more lives were ruined – while Rudakubana was under arrest. One of the critically-injured children, Alice Dasilva Aguiar, nine, later died in hospital early the next morning.

Neighbours described Rudakubana's family as unremarkable, but it can now be reported that teachers had concerns about his behaviour from when he entered year nine. Rudakubana was excluded from Range High School in around 2019 after telling Childline that he was being racially bullied and was bringing a knife into school to protect himself, it is understood. It is not known if he was being bullied or if he ever brought a weapon into the school while he was a pupil. After his exclusion, he returned to the school and assaulted someone with a hockey stick, the intended target being a former bully or someone he had a grievance with, it is understood.

It is understood Rudakubana then attended two specialists schools, The Acorns School in Lancashire and Presfield High School & Specialist College in Southport, and teachers were concerned about his behaviour. His in-person attendance at Presfield was less than 1 per cent, it is understood.

At his first appearance at Liverpool Crown Court, Deanna Heer KC, prosecuting, said it was understood Rudakubana had been unwilling to leave the house and communicate with his family for a period of time. She said: 'He was seen by the psychiatrists at the police station but refused to engage with them.' The court was told he had no obvious evidence of mental health disorder which required diversion to hospital. His mother, father and older brother were co-operating with police and had provided witness statements.

At all of his court appearances, Rudakubana held his sweatshirt over his face and refused to speak. When he first entered Liverpool Magistrates' Court, he was seen to smile towards members of the press before covering his face. A profile of his father, Alphonse Rudakubana, printed in local newspaper the Southport Visiter in 2015 said he was originally from Rwanda, a country that suffered a deadly genocide in the early 1990s, and moved to the UK in 2002. Rudakubana, the youngest son of the family, was born in Cardiff, where neighbours of the family described a 'lovely couple' with a hardworking father and stay-at-home mother to 'two boisterous boys'.

In 2013 they moved to Banks, just a few miles outside of Southport, where Rudakubana's father trained with local martial arts clubs. The family lived in a mid-terrace three-bedroom house in a newly-built cul-de-sac of a dozen or so properties.

At 11 years old, Rudakubana appeared dressed as Doctor Who in a television advert for BBC Children In Need, after being recruited through a casting agency, it is understood. The now-deleted clip shows him leaving the Tardis wearing a trench coat and tie to look like the show's former star David Tennant and offering advice on how best to raise money.

Rudakubana was due to stand trial at Liverpool Crown Court today charged with 16 offences, including three counts of murder.

Alice, Bebe and Elsie died following the attack at the class in The Hart Space on a small business park in the seaside town of Southport shortly before midday on July 29. The defendant admitted their murders as well as the attempted murders of eight other children, who cannot be named for legal reasons, class instructor Leanne Lucas and businessman John Hayes. Summer riots which saw violence across the country were sparked by the stabbings carried out by Rudakubana. Within hours of his attack, posts spread on the internet which claimed the suspect was a 17-year-old asylum seeker, who had come to the country by boat last year.

Mr Justice Goose said Rudakubana will be sentenced on Thursday. He also pleaded guilty to possession of a knife. Rudakubana also admitted production of a biological toxin, ricin, on or before July 29 and possession of information likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing to commit an act of terrorism.

The terrorism offence relates to a PDF file entitled Military Studies In The Jihad Against The Tyrants, The Al Qaeda Training Manual which he is said to have possessed between August 29 2021 and July 30 2024. The ricin, a deadly poison, and the document were found during searches of the home in Old School Close which he shared with his parents, who are originally from Rwanda. The court heard that relatives of Rudakubana's victims were not present to see him enter his guilty pleas. Mr Justice Goose said: 'I am conscious of the fact the families are not here today.' Deanna Heer KC, prosecuting, confirmed the families had not attended because it was assumed the trial would open tomorrow. Mr Justice Goose said he extended his apologies to them that 'for that reason they weren't here to hear him enter his pleas'.

The attack in Southport has not been declared a terrorist incident despite the discovery of the document, Merseyside Police said last year. Rudakubana was arrested on the day of the attack and charged with murder, attempted murder and possession of a knife later that week. He was charged with production of ricin and the terror offence three months later, although the items were found in searches carried out by police in the days after his arrest.

Unrest erupted across the country in the wake of the Southport attack, with mosques and hotels used for asylum seekers among the locations targeted. In the hours after the stabbing, information spread online which claimed the suspect was an asylum seeker who had arrived in the UK on a small boat. The day after the attack, thousands turned out for a peaceful vigil in Southport, but later a separate protest outside a mosque in the town became violent, with missiles thrown at police and vans set on fire. More than 1,000 arrests linked to disorder across the country have since been made and hundreds charged and jailed. During the hearing today, Stan Reiz, defending, told the judge: 'I am instructed for the indictment to be put again.'

Rudakubana remained seated in the dock as he entered guilty pleas. The defendant, who had an intermediary with him in the dock, wore a grey tracksuit and a surgical mask. He did not stand when asked to by the court clerk and judge after entering court and did not reply when he was asked to confirm his name. The clerk then began reading each of the 16 counts of the indictment, with the defendant replying with the single word 'Guilty' each time and the clerk repeating back 'You wish to change your plea to guilty'.

Rudakubana moved to Banks from Cardiff with his parents and older brother about a decade ago. The family lived in a mid-terrace three-bedroom house in a newly built cul-de-sac of a dozen or so properties. A local source said the killer did not mix with others, that the family was unremarkable and there had been no sign of anything wrong. 'Nobody knows them. It's only the father who went to work who I've ever seen,' a neighbour said. Appearing in court in August after he was first charged,

Rudakubana initially smiled upon entering the courtroom, then kept his face covered by his sweatshirt for the remainder of the proceedings. He has not previously spoken in court and not guilty pleas were entered on his behalf after he failed to respond when charges were put to him.
 
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