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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Justsomecicada]

1 gram of salt can absorb into a lake, 5000 tonnes can’t.
Viewing this as a binary problem is intensionally obfuscating the issue

That 1 gram will always grow, because unlike salt people work to bring relatives over with them

 

[Hoi Polloi]

Are you literally saying that the Ghurkas might rise up and kill the English, so you want them gone?



"GHURKAS might be here", he thought. "I HATE GHURKAS", He thought.

I wouldn't worry about his opinions, he's not from Britain. I don't want to assume he's a yank because the level of white-nat posturing he's doing is something I've frequently witnessed from jeets on twitter.

 

[Justsomecicada]

Nowhere did I say they would rise up independently but they sure as shit would side with the gov and fire on native Brits in a heartbeat.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Obvious all he wants to do is start fights because we've been shit-flinging for over five hours about what? The Ghurkas.

Civic nationalism. Call it what you're arguing for.

If you just "no, but" every argument for immigration and go full nativist you can look a bit of a clown

How is that being a clown? We've just had a little girl charged with needing a knife to protect herself from "one of the good ones". A bloke who's been here 4 years and has a council flat, but also can afford to travel the world on the salary of a take away cook. And the little girl is being attacked and called scum because she had to defend herself against a Gypsy pimp. The police are saying he's not a migrant while he posts all over facebook how he migrated here 4 years ago.

Call me a clown for being utterly fucking sick of the lot of them and wanting rid of. They offer us nothing but trouble and they breed like rats. It's not like you can even just have one family because they fuck their family members and inbreed. 2 make 10, 10 make 200 and 200 make 1000. Then what? How many of them get to join the police and then cover for the rapey ones? Did you read the Rotherham report where the police sent paki officers to interview the rape victims? The same pakis were raping the children and then sent to interview the children they raped to investigate themselves. "The good ones" don't exist. The ones in the police said "you're already fucking them, so you can fuck me" and raped them in the back of police cars next to the police station.

There are no good ones and never will be.

 

[Crunkle]

No non-Brits, a few non-Brits, so long as we all agree that a lot of them have to go regardless, we'll be just fine.

It's not even that. You've always been able to discuss shit without being a retard (have got that article up about the Romanian resistance for bedtime reading tonight - thank you).

It's all about working within the confines of what is politically acceptable at the time. Reform is the only chance this country will get at stopping and then reversing some of the damage. Reform has control over councils, has a growing network of party branches which become harder to kill the longer they're established. Advance UK has a webpage, no manifesto, no MPs , no councilors and 99% of people in the country have never heard of them.

I'm not discounting their ideas, they sound mostly great and I'm on the same page, but they won't win an election with a few bullet points on a website.

Not only are Reform at their highest vote share ever, but the prize at the end of this will be the irrevocable destruction of the Tories and Labour who caused this mess. You cannot make any meaningful changes without getting rid of the MPs and civil servants that caused this in the first place.

Only once those people are gone can you enact actual change. It'll be a revolution without a bullet being fired and a massive success story for democracy as a whole, not to mention emboldening upstart parties in other countries (much like the Reform party's performance in the 1993 Canadian election which inspired Reform UK).

Nowhere did I say they would rise up independently but they sure as shit would side with the gov and fire on native Brits in a heartbeat.

So it's more of an authority thing for you? Do you reckon any of the protesters today who happen to be white ex-army would fire on native Brits because they used to follow the government's orders?

The Ghurkas have been fighting from inside and alongside our army for centuries. They are loyal to our country, not our government. Two entirely separate things. I think I speak for most people here when I say we love our country but hate our government.

 

[Anti Lolicon Bomb]

There are no good ones and never will be.

Boomers and spiritual boomers will never accept this, they will cling to the ideology that brought us here to the bitter end. Fortunately their time is over and they know it, this limp attempt to water down the anger away from their preferred pets wont appeal to anyone but the Jeets and the rest of the anti-muslim block who want to slide into our DMs now they know the gravy train is in its last few years. They will all be deported sooner or later.

 

[Justsomecicada]

Then why is your police force the way it is if everyone secretly hates the gov but loves your country. Seriously what year do you think it is man?

 

[Crunkle]

Then why is your police force the way it is

Because you're calling it a "force". It's not a force, it's a service.

Call them a "force" like they're some private army and they'll become a private army.

 

[Justsomecicada]

Because you're calling it a "force". It's not a force, it's a service.

Call them a "force" like they're some private army and they'll become a private army.

I am seriously confused now. Why is your police service like this I guess?

 

[Made In Wales]

You can't have a conversation with someone who throws everything back in your face with "TGD cam on ingerland". Literally just as braindead as the lefties who sit on the front of a protest chanting "he will not divide us".

He's not even an interesting or a pleasant person to disagree with like @Made In Wales . Not to mention the times he goes to shitpost on peoples' profiles after his daily thread argument. No point in engaging.

Obvious all he wants to do is start fights because we've been shit-flinging for over five hours about what? The Ghurkas.


Just a few nuggets I found interesting today:

• Heathrow Airport is sponsoring Reform UK's annual conference. Heathrow actually sponsor the main party conferences (Conservatives, Labour and SNP) so this is an important step in Reform's detoxification to the average person.

• Some kind of protest took place today outside of the Sudanese embassy today. All in Arabic, disgusting video, jealous of people who don't have a sense of smell.

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Thanks.

My attitude is 'live and let live' - as Josh @Null says 'we cannot be divided on here'.

I don't believe in fighting and when I'm wrong (as in when I probably go a bit too far with personal thoughts or revealing too much) I'm happy to reign it in.

This isn't my forum, it's ours - Josh made it, but he needs us and we need him.

Even when I get @Mound Dweller giving me my daily rainbows of optimism, I smile and think 'well, at least we can agree to disagree - I might be an optimist, others might be pessimists or be of the opinion that 'nothing ever happens' and that's great.

This forum is way better than most - it is truly the last bastion of free speech and needs all of us to unite against the real enemies of the world.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Boomers and spiritual boomers will never accept this, they will cling to the ideology that brought us here to the bitter end. Fortunately their time is over and they know it, this limp attempt to water down the anger away from their preferred pets wont appeal to anyone but the Jeets and the rest of the anti-muslim block who want to slide into our DMs now they know the gravy train is in its last few years. They will all be deported sooner or later.

I don't think Crunkle is a boomer. I think he's a guy trying to do right by people. His ethics say you don't treat good people badly, which I would mostly agree with. The issue is he still believes in the goodness of foreigners when I consider them to be a cancer spreading parasite. I understand where he is coming from because we were all there once. But reality has a way of changing how you view the world.

Because you're calling it a "force". It's not a force, it's a service.

Call them a "force" like they're some private army and they'll become a private army.

They have used the police force as a name for decades. Even wikipedia refers to them as Police Forces. I know you're from the UK so what are you trying to argue here? The language as far as I'm aware has always been police force.

 

[Anti Lolicon Bomb]

I'm not discounting their ideas, they sound mostly great and I'm on the same page, but they won't win an election with a few bullet points on a website.

I do in fact agree that they are a distraction. Reform is the necessary first step. Whatever happens will happen after Reform.

Reform needs to happen, not because they will solve everything but because they are the end of the uni-party, the end of "Global Britain" and the end of the idea you cant win an election on a deportation plan. Once they do in fact win an election off the back of a deportation plan I see all hell breaking loose.

 

[Eekum Bokum]

Then why is your police force the way it is if everyone secretly hates the gov but loves your country. Seriously what year do you think it is man?

Dude if you aren't from here why do you give a shit?

 

[Made In Wales]

I do in fact agree that they are a distraction. Reform is the necessary first step. Whatever happens will happen after Reform.

Reform needs to happen, not because they will solve everything but because they are the end of the uni-party, the end of "Global Britain" and the end of the idea you cant win an election on a deportation plan. Once they do in fact win an election off the back of a deportation plan I see all hell breaking loose.

I've always said that Reform UK is the beginning of the end of the problems.

They are not the end, and it will take at least 20 years to put everything right.

Fixing the UK is going to take time and effort, but with Trump and Farage working together we have every chance that will happen sooner rather than later. Not since Thatcher and Reagan has there been the optimism for such closeness of the two allies.

Rome wasn't built in a day, but Brian Clough didn't have that job.

 

[Crunkle]

They have used the police force as a name for decades. Even wikipedia refers to them as Police Forces. I know you're from the UK so what are you trying to argue here? The language as far as I'm aware has always been police force.

I am seriously confused now

Robert Peel, the man who created the standard for policing as we know it across the modern world.

Highly recommend the book A Brief History Of Crime by Peter Hitchens. Not a fan of most of his stuff but he knows and understands how, where and why the police degraded to what it is today.

Peel intended for it to be a service where community members would patrol their area in a certain rotation so they would see and speak to the same people every day. "Bobbies on the beat". They'd hear about rumours, trouble, problems, tensions and address it. Now all police do is respond to a phone call after 4 hours and then drive at 70mph through a 20mph school zone to respond to a crime that's already taken place rather than preventing it from taking place.

we cannot be divided on here

It's a great point. If they keep coming on to distract during the busiest protest day of the year, one might start thinking they're doing it intentionally.

 

[Anti Lolicon Bomb]

I don't think Crunkle is a boomer. I think he's a guy trying to do right by people.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
When the Overton window is up for grabs you push it as far as you can go.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

I've always said that Reform UK is the beginning of the end of the problems.

I think Reform is forming the battle lines of what our countries look like going forward. If Corbyn makes the Muslim party then you will have the two vying for power within democracy. It will be interesting to see if Orange Hitler's friend getting elected slows down the invasion and if it will lead to many here fucking off. One problem the uniparty has with painting Farage as so anti-immigrant and fear mongering is it will scare them. If you think Hitler is on the rise in your current home why wouldn't you leave it as soon as possible?

 

[Gregis]

How is that being a clown?

I don't see you as a clown. Your two posts before this one passionately and persuasively lay out your case. You don't overly intellectualize your arguments, but taking up a simple position and refusing to budge is a good defense in a hostile epistemic environment. Who knows, maybe if you live to see British towns retaken from the foreign hordes wholesale, eventually you might see a picture that finally makes you say "ok, fuck having borders and laws and shit just this once"; if not, I wouldn't hold it against you, and either way I sincerely hope you do live to see it.

That said, Crunkle clearly does see you as a clown. My post was pretty much aimed completely at him (I replied to terriyakiburns because that line of his felt like a poignant summation of what I was saying), because I respect him and he argues his own side well here. I'd characterize what I was doing as essentially arguing your side (at least arriving at some of the same conclusions and goals) in his terms.

I want to point out something important here though: Crunkle is literally a propagandist on your side with his migrant crime tracker. He likely does more for the cause than most here. I'm not trying to call you out by saying that, and feel free not to dox your own efforts. I'm not saying you have to agree with him or even give his arguments a sympathetic hearing. But my post earlier about how people don't change all their opinions overnight along with their votes is about this phenomenon. And likewise, to my point about the tendency to dismiss opposing viewpoints as a glow op, note how disagreements with those currently pushing on the same side get people questioning each others' ethnicity; it's all too cozy to think you don't have any real, heartfelt ideological opposition. >Implying's point above about what ideologically heterogenous coalitions can get done is also very good. None of this is said to demoralize; there's a light showing at the end of the tunnel, but don't underestimate the obstacles in the way; likewise don't talk yourself out of accepting help from anyone who will help you clear the next hurdle.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

I want to point out something important here though: Crunkle is literally a propagandist on your side with his migrant crime tracker. He likely does more for the cause than most here. I'm not trying to call you out by saying that, and feel free not to dox your own efforts

He's doing a great job with that. I've submitted stuff to it and I'd like to think in some way I encouraged him to get it off the ground. He's a good lad and he is doing good work.

I maybe a bit burnt out following the Dundee story and seeing how utterly fucked this country is. No lessons are being learned and it keeps getting worse. Might take a break from the farms and come back in a few days when I'm not arguing with pedophiles blaming our children for fighting off pimps.

 

[Justsomecicada]

I think it’s worth saying that of all the movements in >implying posts the ones that didn’t unite under one ideology and one leader failed

White armies failed

The royalists had both one leader and one ideology and still failed

Nationalists had Franco’s unification decree

Anyone know more about the Austrian civil war?