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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Made In Wales said:
Related to my previous post, I've just had lunch with somebody who has a family member who is a Civil Servant currently based in Cardiff.

Apparently, morale within the CS is through the floor and halfway to the fifth circle of Hell, and even the most Labour-ite of Civil Servant is desperate to see the back of Starmer whether in Whitehall or outside of London. There is a log jam of work which the CS is now unable or unwilling to do and there are big tensions brewing between them and McSweeney, many believe to be a rogue plant (possible Chinese agent or working for another 'unfriendly' country such as Russia).

With regards to the Unions, Ed Dempsey was recently at Cardiff's Canton Depot, on a mission to help save Pullman Rail, and mentioned that unless Starmer 'truly razzle dazzles' at the Conference in Liverpool in late September then 'it's curtains for him'. Apparently, the grandees of Labour (Kinnock, Blair, Brown, Beckett etc.) are holding an emergency meeting about Starmer in Liverpool at the same time as the Conference as they are extremely concerned as to how things are going.

Starmer might believe that he is impenetrable as leader (Lord Alli jokes aside) but he is in for a rude awakening if his bosses in Labour no longer have faith in him.
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Your sources are saying the same as what my sources of information are saying. I know 5 people in the DWP, one is a manager, and the others are varying in services and they cannot function. A lot of case workers are off sick due to burnout, and I can sympathise as their salary is awful. They cannot do any fraud checks and have too many cases. The average caseworker has about 20,000 when 1000 is the suggested amount. A guy I know who held their job for 2 months cited it as "I'd rather go to my grans funeral." Unironically, someone else said that too, and this was a young guy too only 23. He went to work at Amazon, lol.

I do know a guy well, a friend of a friend, who goes over to the Welsh Home Office and says similar things. Works under an MP as a staffer and said they're itching to remove Starmer but have no reasonable replacement. I think at this point though, they'd rather just have the replacement, and it won't be Streeting. He will call a GE, though if he even gets a sniff because he is that much of a pussy.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
I'm convinced that highway maintenance buy cones for each job and just leave them there for drunken people to take home.
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The elites don't want you to know this, but the traffic cones on the road are free. You can take them home with you. I have 348 cones.

Eddie Riggs said:
You know what Wales needs?

Vegan lamb
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All lamb is vegan! It only eats vegetables, don't it?
 
@Kier Starmer Heard the same re: Streeting.

Only one man would want him as PM - Starmer.

He doesn't want Rayner anywhere near 10 Downing Street which has set him at odds with Blair, Campbell, Beckett, Kinnock, Brown and the rest of the 'old guard'.

'Total chaos' is a phrase that's being used.

On one hand, Starmer thinks he alone makes the decisions, but on the other you have the wider committee/s who are worried about both the growth of Reform UK and now the growth of Corbyn's 'Your Party' as a result of the man they backed letting them down badly.

Now, it's one thing for a PM to let down the plebs (bollocks to us lot) but not those who backed the horse which now only looks fit for the knackers yard.

Starmer's final chance will be on stage in Liverpool in 41 days time - if he can't/won't pull off a Lazarus type comeback then it is over. Rayner and Streeting will then run off for the leadership and the party will choose Streeting simply because it's like choosing a boil over impetigo. Also, it keeps in tact Margaret Beckett's record of being the only (temporary) leader of the Labour Party in check as who in Labour wants a woman to lead them?

They don't even know what one is, but when the Tories had one in 1979 it made them cry into their tofu!

@Morethanabitfoolish The answer is Grand Slams... always Grand Slams (which we now won't get due to the Welsh Rugby Union being complete and utter twonks).
 
Kier Starmer said:
They cannot do any fraud checks and have too many cases.
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Ultimately I think this is the core issue which is draining the state, people have woken up to the fact there are ZERO consequences to fucking over the taxman if you're low enough on the totem pole. If you own a large business you'll pay tax or have PRISON threatened at you, meanwhile a paki corner shop which hasn't given accurate tax statements since 2008 is free to continue openly fucking over the state.

If I have less than 16k in my bank account I can pretty much ignore any income I want for tax purposes because the government isn't looking at me. If I "Officially" have less than 16k in my bank account but 60k in cash in the house I can even get bennies on top of my illegal shit.

I've explained how the departments are hiring earlier in the thread, the civil service needs to have an absolutely massive recruitment drive in the fraud/tax areas as they literally make more money than they cost the taxpayer to hire, and they need to cut out the civil service recruitment shitshow as they need these people NOW and not in 8 months time.

It'd lead to more employment, a higher trust society, more money going to the taxman and scroungers getting their shit pushed in. Everyone wins.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
Minimum wage increases + reduction in Civil Service budgets + National Insurance rises for employers + population increases have essentially fucked any department on four fronts where everyone is required to do much more with much less.
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Pay also works on a band system. No matter how long you've worked there, you're paid the same as someone who walked through the door yesterday. There's no possibility to bargain for a higher wage based on performance outside of rare cases where a particular skill might entitle you to a piddling amount of specialist pay. This highly incentivises a culture of upward or - more often - diagonal movement to try and swim against the stagnant pay. So not only is there very slowly resolved turnover due to the hiring processes that you mentioned, people are constantly fucking off to other teams or even other agencies entirely (all having different wages per band) which further increases the churn.

Civil Servants at the very least get a guaranteed payrise per year, but this is rarely even close to the rate of inflation. Couple that with the fact that you can't hustle your way to higher pay, and you're looking at a real terms paycut year after year. Agencies have to petition HMRC if they want to give their employees a higher payrise than the standard rate, which is always rejected, so you then have the Unions (quite rightly) kicking off because the agencies simply raise their hands and say "don't look at us, it's HMRC's fault". So you then have almost yearly strikes for several weeks which can completely fuck up operation critical stuff.

It's retarded all the way up and down. Particularly given you've got relatively educated STEM roles being treated the same as your DWP phone-answerers which has lead to steady braindrain in agencies like DEFRA and UKHSA - you know, the people trying to at least keep some handle on public health.

I am definitely not nor have I ever been a civil servant.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
Ultimately I think this is the core issue which is draining the state, people have woken up to the fact there are ZERO consequences to fucking over the taxman if you're low enough on the totem pole. If you own a large business you'll pay tax or have PRISON threatened at you, meanwhile a paki corner shop which hasn't given accurate tax statements since 2008 is free to continue openly fucking over the state.

If I have less than 16k in my bank account I can pretty much ignore any income I want for tax purposes because the government isn't looking at me. If I "Officially" have less than 16k in my bank account but 60k in cash in the house I can even get bennies on top of my illegal shit.

I've explained how the departments are hiring earlier in the thread, the civil service needs to have an absolutely massive recruitment drive in the fraud/tax areas as they literally make more money than they cost the taxpayer to hire, and they need to cut out the civil service recruitment shitshow as they need these people NOW and not in 8 months time.

It'd lead to more employment, a higher trust society, more money going to the taxman and scroungers getting their shit pushed in. Everyone wins.
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Well said.

It's ironic that both the Left and Right are now in agreement that this has to happen.

Before I head off to Slumberland, for anybody who knows of the total retard on a bike called 'CyclingMikey' - he's finally snapped:



Possession of a bladed instrument is five years in the HMP?
 
Hoi Polloi said:
Pay also works on a band system. No matter how long you've worked there, you're paid the same as someone who walked through the door yesterday. There's no possibility to bargain for a higher wage based on performance outside of rare cases where a particular skill might entitle you to a piddling amount of specialist pay. This highly incentivises a culture of upward or - more often - diagonal movement to try and swim against the stagnant pay. So not only is there very slowly resolved turnover due to the hiring processes that you mentioned, people are constantly fucking off to other teams or even other agencies entirely (all having different wages per band) which further increases the churn.
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One of the probation officers I was talking to basically said that their entire admin team pretty much walked last summer after discovering that annual increases ended up being pennies over minimum wage so they ended up getting contractors on around as much per hour as SEASONED PROBATION OFFICERS. You could literally work there for 20 years in an admin role and still be on minimum wage by the end of it.
 
Not at the top of my pay band but after 5 years my take home has increased just £180 from first year. The clapping helped though.

Genuinely don’t know how that’s possible but I pulled up my old payslips a couple months ago and was shocked.
 
Britain is building back better in small ways, thankfully. Seeing this flag movement is really nice :)
 
Made In Wales said:
@Morethanabitfoolish The answer is Grand Slams... always Grand Slams (which we now won't get due to the Welsh Rugby Union being complete and utter twonks).
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At this point I half wonder if bringing Vinnie Jones back would improve your odds. I know he's well past his prime but could it really hurt?
 
Hoi Polloi said:
Pay also works on a band system. No matter how long you've worked there, you're paid the same as someone who walked through the door yesterday.
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How are the Civil Service allowed to advertise jobs stating the pay scales (from £xxxx to £xxxx) when there is no way of getting off of the lower pay scale?

A friend of a friend is a CS, and she said her take home pay is the same now as it was 10 years ago.
 
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