Disaster Canadian doctor who's euthanized 400 says she helped kill man deemed incapable of choosing suicide - Dying With Dignity Canada associates Ellen Wiebe and Stefanie Green have reportedly euthanized more than 700 people between them

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  • Dying With Dignity Canada associates Ellen Wiebe and Stefanie Green have reportedly euthanized more than 700 people between them
  • Wiebe touted that she once helped a patient die after he was initially rejected because he lacked the ability to make his own health care decisions
  • Green, an obstetrician, describes her work as making 'deliveries' while insisting that people aren't getting Medical Assistance In Dying due to poverty
  • One woman said the mental anguish from loneliness and poverty outweighed her physical pain from chronic leukemia in her decision to want to die
  • While another man is just one signature away from being approved despite listing a fear of homelessness as his key reason for wanting to die
A Canadian doctor who's personally euthanized more than 400 people said she helped kill a man who was previously deemed unsuitable for assisted suicide.

Ellen Wiebe, a doctor who works with Dying With Dignity Canada, boasted in a seminar for physicians working in assisted suicide about the time she treated a patient who did not qualify for the end of life service.

A Medical Assistance In Dying (MAID) assessor had rejected the unnamed man because he did not have a serious illness or 'the capacity to make informed decisions about his own personal health.'

But the man eventually made his way to Wiebe, who cleared him, flew him out to Vancouver, and euthanized him, The New Atlantic reports.

'It's the most rewarding work we've ever done,' Wiebe said of MAID during a 2020 event in a video that's since been shared online.

Obstetrician Stefanie Green, a colleague of Wiebe, also revealed that she's helped 300 people die in Canada's controversial MAID program, which eclipses similar programs in the US.

She uses the term 'deliveries' to describe both her work helping women give birth - and people end their lives.

In 2021, only 486 people died using California's assisted suicide program, but that same year in Canada, 10,064 died used MAID to die that year. MAID has now grown so popular that Canada has both anti-suicide hotlines to try and stop people killing themselves, as well as pro-suicide hotlines for people wanting to end their lives.

MAID has fallen into further scrutiny over claims that people are now seeking assisted suicide due to poverty and homelessness or mental anguish, as opposed to the traditional method of the terminally-ill seeking a painless death.

Among the new type of patients was Rosina Kamis, 41, who said she needed to be 'euthanized ASAP.'

According to an analysis of Kamis' medical history and messages sent to doctors and family reviewed by The New Atlantic, the 41-year-old was facing eviction, needed to crowdfund to pay for food, and was afraid that she would 'suffer alone.'

She also feared being institutionalized, and saw MAID as 'the best solution for all.'

Although Kamis suffered from chronic leukemia and other health problems, her condition was not terminal, The New Atlantic reported, and a letter seemingly made for her attorney painted a different picture as to why she sought euthanasia.

'Please keep all this secret while I am still alive because… the suffering I experience is mental suffering, not physical,' she wrote.

Kamis was approved for MAID and chose to die on September 26, 2021, the date of her ex-husband's birthday. She passed away in her basement apartment after a doctor gave her a lethal injection.

Some of these new cases were highlighted in a 2021 MAID presentation by Althea Gibb-Carsley, a recently retired care coordinator and social worker for the Vancouver Coastal Health's assisted dying program.

In the presentation, Gibb-Carsley describes a 55-year-old patient by the name of Mary, who suffers chronic pains and cannot tackle the issue due to her low income.

'She does not want to die, but she's suffering terribly and she's been maxing out her credit cards. She has no other options,' the presentation reads.

Gibb-Carsley goes on to describe similar situations with a patient named Nancy, 68, a former doctor who ran out of savings, and another named Greg, 57, a writer suffering from a history of trauma who lacks housing.

Gibb-Carsley also highlighted a case of a 38-year-old trans woman named Lucy, an immigrant who suffers from chronic pains and felt trapped in her one-room studio apartment with 'no air or light and creepy men all around.'

It is unclear if any of these people were ever approved for assisted suicide.

Gibb-Carsley's presentation concluded with a note that the problem points out the inadequacies of the welfare state that is incapable of helping those who are struggling to make ends meet.

The report appears to suggest that Canada should bolster its social welfare programs based on the rising number of people seeking to end their lives due to poverty.

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A presentation for MAID providers highlighted that people would seek end of life services because of financial and housing struggles

In regards to these types of patients, Wiebe told The New Atlantic: 'It is rare for assessors to have patients who have unmet needs, but it does happen. Usually these unmet needs are around loneliness and poverty.

'As all Canadians have rights to an assisted death, people who are lonely or poor also have those rights.'

Green, who describes her work as an obstetrician and euthanasia assistant as helping with 'deliveries,' told the publication that stories about the poor seeking MAID are just 'clickbait.'

'You cannot access MAID in this country because you can't get housing,' she said. 'That is clickbait. These stories have not been reported fully.'

However, that is one person who is one step closer to MAID services despite listing poverty as his primary reason for seeking assisted suicide.

Lee Landry, 65, told assessors for the procedure he 'doesn't want to die' but has applied for MAID because he can't afford to live comfortably.

Astonishingly, a doctor has given one of the two signatures required for Landry to end his own life.

Landry is awaiting the decision of a second doctor who has assessed his eligibility. If that doctor rejects the application, Landry says he will simply 'shop' around for another who's prepared to sign off on his death - something that's allowed under Canada's assisted dying laws.

The shocking case lays bare the increasingly relaxed approach to euthanasia in Canada, where experts say 'choosing to die is more accessible than support for people with disabilities'.

Landry uses a wheelchair and has several other disabilities that mean he is eligible for MAID, including epilepsy and diabetes. But until recently, he was able to live comfortably, sharing his modest home in Medicine Hat, Alberta, with his service dog.

Changes to his state benefits when he turned 65 in May meant his income was cut and he's now left with around $120 per month after paying for medical bills and essentials.

Landry is also braced for a rent hike in January that could mean his benefits no longer cover the cost of essentials, placing him on the brink of homelessness.

'I don't want to go homeless,' he told the DailyMail. 'I don't want to end up living in a van so I can't make the van payments. I don't want to end up homeless. Who would want to be homeless at 16, never mind 65?'

Many of gone on to blast Canada's euthanasia program, including former Paralympian Christine Gauthier, who slammed her government for offering to euthanize her when she grew frustrated at delays in having a wheelchair lift installed in her home.


Gauthier, a retired Army Corporal testified in Parliament last month that a Veterans Affairs Canada (VAC) caseworker made the assisted suicide offer.

After years of delays in getting the home lift, Gauthier says the caseworker told her: 'Madam, if you are really so desperate, we can give you medical assistance in dying now.'

The worker who made the offer hasn't been named, but they are feared to have offered three other veterans who contacted VAC with problems the same 'solution', Global News reported.

The scandal emerged a week after Canada's veterans affairs minister confirmed that at least four other veterans were similarly offered access to Canada' MAID law in response to their troubles, a situation Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called 'absolutely unacceptable'.

Gauthier said that she has been seeking VAC assistance in getting a chairlift for her home since 2017.

'It has isolated me greatly, because I have to crawl down my butt with the wheelchair in front of me to be able to access my house,' she told Global News.

She said she was shocked by the offer of suicide from the caseworker, which came in a conversation in 2019.

'I was like, 'I can't believe that you will … give me an injection to help me die, but you will not give me the tools I need to help me live,'' she said. 'It was really shocking to hear that kind of comment.'

Gauthier was injured in an Army training accident in 1989, suffering permanent damage to her knees and her spine.

She competed in the 2016 Paralympic Games and Prince Harry's 2016 Invictus Games as a canoeist, power-lifter, and indoor rower.

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Gauthier's testimony, and reports of other similar cases, have drawn public outcry, and Trudeau vowed to make changes.

Medically assisted suicide was first legalized in Canada for terminally ill patients in 2016, but last year, the law expanded to offer euthanasia to patients whose natural death is not believed to be imminent.

Now, people with long-term disabilities can also receive medical assistance in dying. Last year more than 10,000 people in Canada died by euthanasia.

Starting next year, a new law will allow people suffering from mental illness, which had not previously be a qualifying condition, to receive medically assisted suicide.

The expansion of Canada's euthanasia laws, already among the most permissive on the planet, has raised concerns from some quarters.

Amid the latest expansion, Canada has two hotline systems for people looking for help in for assisted suicide, as well as those who want to be talked out of killing themselves.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ll-man-deemed-incapable-choosing-suicide.html (Archive)

 
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These women disgust me. They not only convince and murder the weak and desperate, but take pride in ending the lives of another. These absolute ghouls deserve a pain far worse than anything imaginable and then after all that be kept alive to suffer for their inhuman acts.
 
If someone asked me if I wanted MAID, I would considered that a death threat and I would call the police.
repentance said:
The concept of "sin" has no place in the laws of secular nations.
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Canada took God out of the classroom, and that’s why they have (Maid). I call Maid by a different name, I call it First degree Murder. No matter what name you call it, it is still a sin.
 
Syikeblade said:
Yup if you believe that we're just some funny talking animals who gets to decide what's moral and what isn't? People like us?
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Unless we get back on speaking terms with God, pretty much, yeah. He hasn't been talking to us much lately.

The best is a system with things like separation of powers, a written constitution that says what the government can do and can't do, and an educated populace where people actually know the rules.

That would be America if we weren't missing the last part of that.

Government has to be designed knowing that assholes like us will be in it and set them at each other's throats constantly so they can't fuck us over too much. The U.S. Constitution has done that pretty well until recently. We need to go back to it and away from this celebrity culture cancel government-by-social-media bullshit.
 
round robin said:
Good god, that chart showing how rapidly government euthanasia has been increasing over the past... just 7 years?? Following that trend and given the fact that it's become so widespread and notable within the last year that journalists have only now started reporting on it in depth... I'm worried to see what the numbers are going to be for 2022 when they're released.
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That chart is essentially Truedeau's legacy distilled to one image.

I find this rather disgusting even as someone who generally couldn't give a fuck less if people want to kill themselves. If I'm being charitable I assume the doctor killing the guy who lacked capacity might've been a case where he wanted to die with dignity intact when faced with a prognosis of inevitable, horrible, aggressive due to dementia/Alzheimers, but when he got bad enough that it was arguably time, now did not understand well enough to reiterate the decision. It's kind of the catch-22 about dementia patients who stated they'd rather be euthanized than suffer the incapacity, indignity, and decline.

I'd just like to point out :The possibility is there that the patient did have an advance directive but had so little comprehension of it when the time came that she ultimately held and stabbed the kill needle into a scared, protesting old man.

For what it's worth, everyone I know who has ever talked to me about witnessing a loved one's terminal decline due to Alzeimer's/dementia has privately expressed that if they got diagnosed with Alzeimer's themselves, they'd much rather be euthanized early in the decline rather than suffer slowly and lose their humanity, linger around as a diaper-shitting husk, and finally mercifully die of aspiration pneumonia if you're lucky (or sepsis from filthy, tunneling bedsores if you're not).

It's a very nuanced issue imo, but addressing the obvious abuse due to living standards for whites going so far down the shitter that they're necking themselves in tens of thousands is a pretty good place to start.
 
Two-Tier Keir Starmer, granny harmer, wanting assisted suicide laws pushed through parliament as quickly as possible is sus as all fuck.
But by god, he's going to deal with the NHS waiting list backlog if it kills him you.
Man's a lifelong prosecutor who hates the indigenous population, and believes we're all guilty of something.
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime type shit. But only if you're white. He's not being Prime Minister, he's being chief prosecutor of the UK demos, and the only innocent people are poor persecuted (mainly brown) minorities.
Everyone else is merely a defendant in a trial he has to win.
 
Apparently the great Dr. Weibe is now being investigated for being too murder happy.

Vancouver doctor under scrutiny after court stays assisted dying request
Mike Hager / The Globe and Mail

Vancouver doctor at the forefront of pushing the boundaries of federal medical assistance in dying regulations is once again under scrutiny after a B.C. Supreme Court judge granted an injunction, suspending the request for death the woman’s own doctors denied.
The 53-year-old Alberta woman, who is not being named in court and reportedly suffers from bipolar disorder and a condition known as akathisia, had her death planned for last Sunday. But the procedure, which she pursued from a Vancouver doctor, was halted the day before by a B.C. judge who found her common-law husband and good friend had raised serious questions about “whether there should be judicial oversight” when someone chooses to die this way.
The injunction application filed last week alleges the Alberta woman could not get her own doctors to support her assisted death, so she began searching online and found Ellen Wiebe in British Columbia.
The application names Dr. Wiebe and the Willow Reproductive Health Centre she founded in 1997 as respondents, alleging Dr. Wiebe breached her statutory duty by approving medical assistance in dying (MAID) for a condition that does not qualify, while failing to review the patient’s medical history or conduct a full health assessment.
None of the allegations has been proven in court and her clinic said Dr. Wiebe was unavailable when contacted by The Globe and Mail early Thursday afternoon. A receptionist said the clinic had no comment.
The husband’s West Vancouver-based lawyer told The Globe she has not been authorized to speak to media about the case.
Justice Simon R. Coval agreed to the husband’s injunction request despite recognizing that his 30-day order imposed “a severe intrusion into [the woman’s] personal and medical autonomy.”
“I can only imagine the pain she has been experiencing and I recognize that this injunction will likely make that worse,” he said.
Justice Coval said there is an “arguable case” about whether the MAID criteria were properly applied to the woman, whom the application says was diagnosed with bipolar disorder years ago. According to the affidavit of her husband, who was also granted anonymity by the court, her mental health began worsening in the summer of 2023 starting with a manic episode that led to insomnia. Later she soon came to believe she had akathisia – an underlying feeling of horror coupled with an inability to sit still that is linked to certain types of medication.
“As I’ve said, the evidence suggests [her] situation appears to be a mental health condition or illness without a link to any physical condition and it may not only be remediable, but remediable relatively quickly,” the justice said.
The case is at least the second this year in which a judge was required to grapple with how MAID applications are approved and what rights family members have to challenge them.
In March, an Alberta judge refused to grant a father an injunction against his 27-year-old daughter’s MAID application. The daughter, who had autism and lived with her parents, argued the court does not have jurisdiction to review Alberta Health Services’ approval of her MAID application. The reasons why the woman was seeking MAID were not revealed.
In Canada, MAID is only legal for people on the basis of a physical health condition, but the law was broadened in 2021 so patients could apply even when their deaths were not “reasonably foreseeable.” This secondary group of patients make up a small percentage of MAID deaths and often involve people suffering from a chronic illness or disability but are not classified as terminal.
Applicants whose medical condition is mental illness will remain ineligible for MAID until at least March, 2027.
As of this Wednesday, Quebec became the first province in the country to approve advance MAID requests – for a medically assisted death that could take place months or even years in the future. These advance requests for MAID will be authorized for those who have a diagnosis of “a serious and incurable illness leading to incapacity to give consent to care.”
In May, 2022, Dr. Wiebe testified before a parliamentary committee on MAID that she had assessed about 750 people and provided about 430 medically assisted deaths at that time.
Dr. Wiebe said in a BBC documentary earlier this year that she had been involved with patient files “where I find someone not eligible or eligible when another person won’t, because of the way our law is written.”
In 2019, Dr. Wiebe went public with a decision made in her favour by her regulator the College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia, which cleared her of any wrongdoing for entering an Orthodox Jewish nursing home in Vancouver that forbids assisted death and ending the life of an 83-year-old resident who wanted to die in his own bed.
Dr. Wiebe allegedly asked the Alberta woman to obtain and e-mail her own medical records, but, the notice of civil claim alleges, the woman’s psychiatrist said her psychiatric records were never requested.
After an online video call at the end of July, Dr. Wiebe approved the woman’s MAID request, according to the court documents. The woman didn’t have a second doctor needed to approve her application and finalize her request, so Dr. Wiebe allegedly arranged for another B.C. doctor to assess her, which happened at the end of September, according to the notice of claim. (The second doctor, who is semi-retired and based in B.C.’s Gulf Islands, did not immediately respond to a Globe request for comment Thursday.)
 
Yttrium said:
Apparently the great Dr. Weibe is now being investigated for being too murder happy.
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Every single one of her cases needs to be independently reviewed.

The judge made the right call. One of the conditions this woman is claiming hasn't even been diagnosed and is usually resolved by withdrawing the medication causing it.
 
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