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She gets attached and strings along for 2 years, maybe even more. In the end, he dumps her over night and finds a normal girl.
Ladies, I know you read this thread, and some of you need to hear this.
  1. You cannot fuck your way out of the toybox. Once a man sees you as a plaything, it's over. You will not be rewarded for your loyalty or your service any more than his old Xbox from college was.
  2. If you are independent adults, you've been together for more than 6 months, and marriage has not been a topic of conversation, then it never will be. Plan accordingly.
 
In pride and prejudice, BOTH Lizzy and Darcy and at fault.
Thank you for the lore. I had to read this in high school and never did. This kind of girlish literature was below me. I am way too prideful and prejudging, ironic.
  1. You cannot fuck your way out of the toybox. Once a man sees you as a plaything, it's over. You will not be rewarded for your loyalty or your service any more than his old Xbox from college was.
Other dude was with another girl for almost 10 years. He lived rent free in her apt, built a company in mean time and fucked off to a foreign land once he hit it big, leaving her behind. She was great, cooked, cleaned for him and in the end, meant nothing.
He didn't want to get married or have kids. Afterwards, she said it's too late for her to have a child now and that was really it. A life wasted helping someone else get rich. Sad to see her like that but there's no going back.
 
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I haven’t read any feminist analysis of Austen but I do like Jane Austen’s work and I think maybe we talked about this before. It’s not romance slop, it’s a very sharp observational comedy/warning type of genre.
The romance tropes types misunderstand it or misrepresent it. In pride and prejudice, BOTH Lizzy and Darcy and at fault. It’s pride AND prejudice, one for each of them. She’s too proud and he’s too prejudiced. It’s ONLY when both of them understand and fix their flaws that they and critically those around them, reach happiness. Until that point their flaws hurt them and their loved ones. Both of them have to change. And Lizzy does. She makes amends and Jane gets with her chap and she fixes her ways and she gets the prize.
Agree 100%, and that's why I think feminist analyses of her and the Brontes are blind and stupid. They need to fit them into their Marxist gender war mold, where women as a class are in conflict with and subjugated by men as a class, so anything else that isn't that is invisible to them. Once you see how that's the critique works, you can largely dismiss it and spend your precious life-hours on something else.

I'm a much bigger fan of Wuthering Heights and have read it at least 3 or 4 times, so I'll use that as my go-to. Catherine Earnshaw is Emily Bronte's foil for her own seething contempt for the kind of rich, beautiful, spoiled, narcissistic young woman who treats everyone around her like garbage and ultimately ruins her own life because she's incapable of empathy or thinking about the consequences of her own actions. Such women exist in the real world, of course, and Bronte writes Catherine as only a woman who understands other women could. But of course, Catherine is an individual. Bronte's not a Marxist, so she's not writing Catherine as some sort of product of social forces or a metaphor for all women. Catherine's a nasty bitch because, well, some women are just nasty bitches, and Bronte decided to write a novel centered on one. I like to imagine it was because she was just little tired of all the ultimately good-hearted characters in Austen and her imitators. Unlike Lizzy, Catherine is just rotten to her core. So, by the way, is Heathcliff. The poor boy who strikes it rich doesn't have a heart of gold, not like he would in Dickens. Nope, he's just a rotten bastard who can't move on from his youth and ruins his own life via his own nursed grudges.

Now, why do feminist analyses fail? Feminists are Marxists, and Marxists don't really believe individuals exist. When they encounter the Catherine character, they are blind to why a woman might write such a loathsome female character. For non-Marxists, it's simple enough. Nobody truly feels enmity for a woman like another woman does, and Bronte's hatred for a very particular sort of woman is palpable throughout the novel. But Marxism says all members of the oppressed class are allies. If they have conflict, this is a manifestation of their oppression, and a way the oppressor class keeps them from uniting together to throw off their chains. They're unable to even see Catherine as a person; she must be some sort of commentary on all women, and since Bronte is a woman, the character couldn't have genuinely come from her. It must have come from the social forces oppressing her. Thus the feminists come up with preposterous explanations for the Catherine character, such as:
  • She's a sexist trope, and Bronte, being a creature of her age, was not fully able to break free of such tropes
  • She's the sort of woman that men want to read about, and Bronte wrote her to break through the male-dominated publishing world
  • She's a manifestation of Bronte's own internalized misogyny
  • She's actually the heroine of the book, the strong independent woman who don't need no man, but Bronte colors her with patriarchal baggage about such women being terrible people due to being a creature of her age, and we need to unpack that 19th century knapsack to see the true strength of Catherine
And so on. If you know anything about feminists, you could probably make up your own moronic interpretation and discover it's already been published in some feminist literary journal. Heathcliff, of course, gets no such forbearance from feminists. He's just a bad man because men are bad and Bronte's striking out against the patriarchy or something like that. Regardless of which feminist is trying to interpret Bronte, she always comes to the conclusion that the book is some sort of insufferable garbage about women being oppressed.

Fortunately, the book is not insufferable Marxist garbage. It's an excellent story that dives into the psychology of what narcissists and sociopaths are actually like, and doesn't shy away from how they ruin good people's lives and don't suffer karmic retribution. However, it must be read without poisoning your brain with the thoughts of English professors, virtually all of whom are Marxists and therefore incapable of understanding or even enjoying a good book.
 
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Wuthering Heights
Rare to find anyone who actually gets that withering heights is a study of Really Awful People rather than a doomed romantic heroine and the diamond in the rough. emily herself was a very odd character. The way WH was received at the time was more akin to how I read it - it’s about wildness and damage, revenge and inevitability /nature vs nurture.
 
Other dude was with another girl for almost 10 years. He lived rent free in her apt, built a company in mean time and fucked off to a foreign land once he hit it big, leaving her behind.
It goes without saying that she obviously has a role to play in this, but I get really MATI when I read shit like this. Taking advantage of someone in such a way is nigger behavior and he deserves the worst. What a fag.
 
Rare to find anyone who actually gets that withering heights is a study of Really Awful People rather than a doomed romantic heroine and the diamond in the rough. emily herself was a very odd character. The way WH was received at the time was more akin to how I read it - it’s about wildness and damage, revenge and inevitability /nature vs nurture.
It's also the right way to subvert expectations. Doing the opposite of what the audience expects just because is idiotic and bad storytelling. But when you do something they don't expect because you're throwing a glass of ice-cold reality into their faces, show them something very real that doesn't align with the expectation, how the trope isn't all there is to life, then you can do something really interesting. In the case of Wuthering Heights, the audience expects the lowborn boy who was treated badly, but finds his fortune, to additionally find love and happiness, perhaps showing up people who treated him badly. But no, he's an immature jackass who's been nursing a grudge to the point it's ruined his soul. When you finally realize Heathcliff isn't going to ever become a good person, you realize, "Oh wait...some people really are like that. No matter how successful they are, they're always horrible and bitter about something that happened when they were 17. But I never see those people in novels, certainly not as the protagonist!" This just makes the story all the more engaging.

Other dude was with another girl for almost 10 years. He lived rent free in her apt, built a company in mean time and fucked off to a foreign land once he hit it big, leaving her behind. She was great, cooked, cleaned for him and in the end, meant nothing.
He didn't want to get married or have kids. Afterwards, she said it's too late for her to have a child now and that was really it. A life wasted helping someone else get rich. Sad to see her like that but there's no going back.

She lived with a man she wasn't married to. The whole point of not being married is so you can easily discard each other when one of you would rather do something else. It turns out when your grandma told you not to shack up with a guy, because he doesn't buy a cow when he gets the milk for free, she wasn't being a bigot. She wasn't trying to stop your fun. She wasn't failing to get with the times. She was trying to stop you from fucking up your life. And now, all you've got is an empty apartment and a fucked-up life. So, good job.
 
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Wuthering Heights is a fun read (depressing). Heathcliff and Catherine being too obsessive and narcissistic to ever be happy is one of my favorite parts of the story. Like most narcissists one of their biggest flaws turns out to be cowardice. Like in a more regular romance novel they might have just decided to run away together and escape all the trappings of high society, but they are both too cowardly to take that step. Catherine's entire decision to marry Edgar (Idk if I'm forgetting the character's name) in order to essentially remain in high society but still have the wealth and fortune to have Heathcliff on the side and uplift him is obviously a cowardly act and one that neither her or Heathcliff could ever be truly happy with.

I do kind of like the implication that at least in some way they are at peace together in death by the end of the story, but I know some people don't like the vaguely supernatural aspects of the story.

The story is a bit funny when you try to tie the memes that have spawned from modern dating and PUA shit into it. Heathcliff is basically a living incarnation of the dark triad taken to it's logical conclusion. He's kind of a horrifying character in that sense lol.
 
I will die before I stop simping for Emily Bronte
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People always be like "what zero pussy does to a mf" but I've seen what pussy Victorian literature does to a mf and it's much worse.
 
As someone who does go to college in the SEC and is involved in Greek life, I died laughing seeing all of the RW sphere reposting these videos claiming these girls are trad. The dirty secret is that 90% of these girls have double digit body counts minimum by the time they graduate. If you’re involved and you hear the stories, it’s impossible to look at them the same way as Charlie here.
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