18:45		*** AbsentmindedNihilist joined #site67 lesbian@hunger.doggos 
18:46	AbsentmindedNihilist	would y'all like to know what roxie has done
18:46	ProcyonLotor	Agreed to leave the site alone forever?
18:46	ProcyonLotor	Otherwise not really
18:46	AbsentmindedNihilist	procyonlotor no sadly
18:47	AbsentmindedNihilist	though she did ask me to put in a good word for her
18:47	ProcyonLotor	Okay then what
18:47	AbsentmindedNihilist	i said based on our past involvement i said i needed to recuse myself from anything involving her
18:47	AbsentmindedNihilist	procyonlotor the girl i was flirting with had a fight with her
18:47	AbsentmindedNihilist	roxie told this girl to go die
18:47	AbsentmindedNihilist	and then said she would tell me that this girl loved terfs
18:48	Tuomey	well
18:48	Tuomey	someone's not getting their appeal accepted
18:48	ProcyonLotor	That sounds like harassment that should absolutely be logged somewhere
18:48	Tuomey	because that is Peak Roxie
18:48	ProcyonLotor	...and she asked you to put in a good word for her? Still?
18:48	DrBleep	I would like to reiterate why I protested any appeal being offered to Roxie
18:49	DrBleep	And it is this
18:49	AbsentmindedNihilist	procyonlotor that was before the incident
18:49	ProcyonLotor	Oh 
18:49	DrBleep	Oh
18:49	AbsentmindedNihilist	i mean also
18:49	ProcyonLotor	You mean the good word, correct, to clarify?
18:49	ProcyonLotor	When did this incident happen?
18:49	AbsentmindedNihilist	procyonlotor just now
18:50	AbsentmindedNihilist	procyonlotor the good word thing was before the actual incident of the fight with the girl
18:50	ProcyonLotor	Alright. I'd advise you talk to Harassment because everyone who didn't have to deal with her tries to keep feeling sory for her
18:50	DrBleep	Niles, to clarify, you said you would have to remain neutral given your history, and then Roxie gets into a fight with the girl you've been flirting with. Was Roxie aware you were flirting with her? It seems like it based on your wording.
18:51	ProcyonLotor	Such as the utterly, despicably undeserved shortening of the appeal date
18:51	AbsentmindedNihilist	drbleep she knew
18:51	DrBleep	Mmmmm
18:51	AbsentmindedNihilist	it's not about me though
18:51	ProcyonLotor	But yeah, if you're comfortable please talk to soul or dex
18:51	AbsentmindedNihilist	i'll talk to soul once they get on
18:51	DrBleep	You should
18:52	DrBleep	probably get the girl you were flirting with to give you logs/screenshots
18:52	AbsentmindedNihilist	i will ask
18:52	AbsentmindedNihilist	wait
18:52	AbsentmindedNihilist	it was over the phone
18:52	DrBleep	?
18:53	Tuomey	ohdear
18:53	AbsentmindedNihilist	the argument was over the phone
18:53	ProcyonLotor	Okay so she fucking called her
18:53	AbsentmindedNihilist	so no chance of that sadly
18:53	AbsentmindedNihilist	procyonlotor they're ... sort of friends
18:54	ProcyonLotor	Ah. Past tense, I imagine. 
18:54	Quikngruvn	Probably sort of not friends by this point.
18:54	ProcyonLotor	Because holy shit
18:54	ProcyonLotor	This is why you don't befriend crazy
18:54	AbsentmindedNihilist	procyonlotor this has been somewhat of a pattern for them from what i'm gathering
18:54	ARD	Roxie
18:55	ARD	Chee
18:55	ProcyonLotor	Of course. Because Roxie cannot change and never will, despite their crocodile tears. 
18:55	DrBleep	This what
18:55	DrBleep	the third time this happened? Fourth? Fifth? How many now
18:55	Tuomey	infinityth
18:55	ARD	Too damn many
18:55	Quikngruvn	Well, she still /could/. It just seems less and less likely as time progresses.
18:55	AbsentmindedNihilist	drbleep no idea
18:56	ARD	Quikngruvn: she’ll have to change elsewhere because it’ll be a cold day in hell before she’s welcomed back in chat
18:56	Quikngruvn	No argument there.
18:56	ProcyonLotor	I believe at a certain level of broken you just become stuck there, as your inherent brokenness has become sufficient to automatically overcome any inborn desire for change, but that's a philosophical question I suppose
18:56	Quikngruvn	.w hell michigan
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18:56	ARD	ProcyonLotor: bojack syndrome
18:57	ProcyonLotor	Pretty much!
18:57	Tuomey	I mean, if she's Back On Her Bullshit it's pretty safe to assume at this point she will never be off of it
18:57	AbsentmindedNihilist	look i was willing to forgive her even after she fucking broke my heart
18:57	AbsentmindedNihilist	if she's managed to piss /me/ off
18:57	AbsentmindedNihilist	she's beyond all help
18:58	ProcyonLotor	So I suppose the real question is why do we keep granting- even SHORTENING- opportunities to appeal
18:58	Tuomey	yeah, that's kind of it
18:58	Tuomey	she's getting denied forever next she shows up, procy
18:58	DrBleep	Procyonlotor I believe that's a question for Soulless who admin fiated 
18:58	ProcyonLotor	Okay
18:58	ProcyonLotor	Just wanna make sure this doesn't get memory hole'd
18:59	ARD	Log it
18:59	Quikngruvn	...log that Roxie had an argument with a third-party off the wiki?
18:59	ProcyonLotor	That's tricky territory. Let AN present it to soulless as a harassment case-ish first. 
18:59	Tuomey	yeah there's
19:00	Tuomey	no good place to put this
19:00	ProcyonLotor	And only then should we determine if it's even something we can log
19:00	ARD	Quikngruvn: oh right
19:00	ProcyonLotor	Chat admin document?
19:00	Quikngruvn	?roxie
19:00	jarvis	quikngruvn: ]   EldritchCadence I'd like to note- personally, I don't believe that Kens was attempting to suggest our disability was an issue.  I feel like both parties in the appeal should have taken a step back, due to wordings becoming potentially biased.
19:00	Tuomey	apart from anything else we don't want roxie showing up to scream at us
19:00	AbsentmindedNihilist	.tell soulless yo can i have a word with you
19:00	jarvis	absentmindednihilist: Sent.
19:00	Tuomey	and, like, y'know, harassing more people
19:00	ProcyonLotor	That's where I'd suggest
19:01	Tuomey	Quikngruvn: what do you think of Procy's suggestion
19:01	ProcyonLotor	Chat admin place. That way it's private but accessible to those who will be handling the appeal
19:01	Tuomey	#SSAC
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19:01	Quikngruvn	Yeah, that's probably the best place. Not public, but where chadmins can refer to it.
19:01	Tuomey	seems reasonable to me but I want to be sure we're on the same page about all things roxie
19:01	Tuomey	okay good
19:02	Quikngruvn	It's the page that reads "No way, no how, not ever"?
19:02	ProcyonLotor	Maybe also in an oproom .rem in case some poor unfortunate among us normal ops ends up handling it?
19:02	DrBleep	Tuomey I have a feeling Roxie will attempt to harass both this girl and Niles the moment an announcement is made, and the moment she chooses to appeal and gets denied. 
19:03	ProcyonLotor	We don't have to tell her why at this point. 
19:03	DrBleep	True
19:03	ProcyonLotor	We can just say no, not now, not ever at this point
19:03	DrBleep	But assumptions will be made.
19:03	ProcyonLotor	At this point at this point at this point
19:03	Tuomey	DrBleep: yeah that's why we're keepign it unpublic
19:03	Tuomey	as much as possible
19:03	ProcyonLotor	I get these little tics
19:03		DrBleep nods
19:03	ProcyonLotor	I'm pretty sure this is a weekly occurrence for Roxie
19:04	ProcyonLotor	And it's still some months off
19:04	ProcyonLotor	.g 05command roxie
19:04	AbsentmindedNihilist	it actually pretty much was a weekly occurence
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19:04	DrBleep	If my memory is correct, its about a month
19:04	Tuomey	it'll be something like "we have reviewed your case and found that, given the overwhelming number of incidents, we are not minded to grant an appeal." or whatever
19:05	ProcyonLotor	Yep
19:05	ProcyonLotor	Any objections to me also pastebinning this and putting it as an oproom rem?
19:05	AbsentmindedNihilist	none from me
19:05	DrBleep	None from me