#TheBanOut

i like the thread

:hearts:

We know but we still love you

I am a dumb

Since he posted it

Oooh

He can delete his own thread

He demodded everyone including himself

Why do you care so much if he deletes

Sloth he can't

@ShaneH7646 delete. Thread.

Sody dislikes all of us to varying degrees

@phedre mod me first

Who does Sody like the most. We could ask him nicely :hugging_face:

^

I just want that thread gone

It must be. 78 comments on the only thread but only a handful are showing. No new being added that I can see

idk, im banned so I cant check :laughing:

at least I think automod is filtering everything. it still looked like it was before I got removed, but either way, w/e

I was worried it would fill up with troll shite

Aaah. Ok, that's good then

and even if it's not...why?

why? automod is filtering everything already.

We could ask admins to shut down the sub in the meantime?

Yep. Will still take time.

Thank you @phedre :slightly_smiling_face:

Has anyone already reddit requested it?

Now no-one can remove that thread

No messages yet.

Good grief, that's not an admin action, that's shane

I put mine in.

It’s completely unmoderated

I can still access it. But the list of moderators is gone

has it been banned?

do one of those "I want to make it into a community about banning OUTs [pick from list]"

I’d assume an admin would prevent it

no way it'd be allowed

Try it

manual

Is it automatic?

I doubt a request would actually work

I’m at 29 days. I’ll try.

I cant

@TheGoldMustache you do it

Request it and turn it into a completely different sub

@phedre rr it plz

But also within 30 days

Already did

I already tried, but I have an rr from 8 days ago

.../s

now the question is, who wants to redditrequest it

You fucking dingus

nice fucking job having that sidebar left there forever now with your name under it

Job

@ShaneH7646 did the admins intervene cus if so good fucking jov

but tbh they'd ban it

hilarious if the admins did

Or maybe Shane removed himself

I like how the list was edited to now just be drama and t_d

I assume the admins did it

nice

oh huh it's unmoderated now

And it now shows no mods

I just got removed four minutes ago

Everyone was removed as a mod?

That isn’t a dm slack leak. It’s a paraphrased conversation with a former member of dm slack.

this is an actual job for them- 9-5, and sody definitely has things to do _other than_ managing this issue

in either my comment here or on reddit

there are certainly more pressing issues for them right now

busy = ignoring reports?

Its not word for word

you work with them— i’m sure they’re busy

you don’t go around pushing their buttons

if you want the admins to change shit

I wouldn't say that's directly leaking, maybe don't quote it word for word though

so

ok

you are leaking

im not leaking anything, I'm allowed to discuss a conversation we had

the context was "of all the subs, that is the one you care about the most?" you "well they are the ones I was directly affected by, the others not so much" "the white supremacy subs and rape subs like TRP?" you "im not directly affected by white supremacists and rapists"

from the dm slack you arent supposed to leak

taken completely out of context

those were literally your words m8

maybe dont leak a private chat, the dm slack even, to make me look like a white supremacist rapist? jesus

I didn't leak shit, I paraphrased you

lamo

what are you celebrating, nothing was done

I just demodded. Thanks for fucking this up @ShaneH7646

leaking the default mod slack is dumb

yes, he is a teenager

this

Thank you

Or give someone perms so they can demod her. So help me, if you make her situation worse

She's suffered enough. Believe me, I know

Belle is bae

^^

If anything happens to her account because of you

@ShaneH7646 for the love of god demod BelleAriel. She is on holiday. She can't demod herself. You are endangering a good, kind woman because you are too stubborn to listen to advice

Saydie, Cherry, you should too

Look. We have an idiot in charge of this project. It could have worked. @ShaneH7646 are you fifteen? This isn't piggifs

I demodded as well

idgaf. I’m demodded. Suggest the rest of you do the same before the admin hammer falls.

By opening again the trolls win

Bb

Ilu2

ilu cherry

Lol. This is why @phedre is my internet girlfriend

Yup. Admins cant claim we had nothing to do about it publicly and hence why sody reached out. You were starting to gain momentum on reddit and on media.

So suck my left tit, gallownoob!

I'm done. Let me know if something else happens but I'm not risking my account for this nonsense

I gave n8 full credit at the top of the post.

I can't post my own drama to SRD

Belle is sadly unfortunately fucked. Me and msobelle also have subs dedicated to harassing us. It's reddit life. The admins won't do anything

You are killing yourself here

LMAO @phedre gone and gallowboob’d your ass @phedre But really, awesome writeup.

Shane you idiot, that message was crystal clear and Bardfinn explained exactly why you wouldn't be getting a reply

@(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream And we lose all of that if the sub's open.

I've reported people harassing Belle and been ignored. It sucks

Exactly. I loved the hate sub meltdown. We were gaining momentum. There were conspiracy theories popping up all over the the place

If people could comb that sub for posts about Belle (Evey) and report these to admins, explaining that this sub exists to harass her and that the other links are just there to hide this fact, that would be a great help

No one has permissions

The smart thing to do now is keep the sub private and empty and to let the hate subs wonder if we actually did this. By opening it again we lose all of the troll value. We are never going to make the admins do anything. But we can make reddit think we did.

There's a right way and a wrong to go about this

This saydie

The message from sody was a warning. I can't make it plainer than that.

Everyone quit casuse you screwed the pooch

the momentum stopped yesterday when everyone quit?

Hand it off to someone who knows what they're doing

Shane you're fucking this up. We had momentum. The idiots were melting down.

I hope he does get suspended

yeah, no shit

Shane they're going to suspend your accunt. The modmail in which you muted sody twice was a warning.

Shane why should you do this

Fuck, that's a good point dub.

I feel bell. There's a sub about me. Msobelle has one too

does belle want more people to see that sub and potential doxx or whatever else is on there?

I've reported them, Belle has reported them, Deva, etc

right, but no one will know that because there is no explanation given

They even openly use her real name.

Yeah, it's a whole sub dedicated to harassment of belleariel

It's about harassing someone

if Shane includes them on a shortlist of that sub and /r/drama it is just giving them more attention and makes it seem like a joke

@Quietus42 ive never heard of that sub before, most people will see the name and think it is about people with gold -> /r/lounge or whatever

I'll try not to. It's getting crazy out there. My cousin lost his house.

dont

I'm about to die in a hurricaine I can say whatever I want

Shut up hippie

I’m not that much of a hippy. I like punk rock.

I’m not leaving because I like to watch chaos.

We're aware of it Quietus

Seriously, go look

Because of mistakes she made years ago

It's literally an entire sub openly dedicated to stalking belle with dozens of alts, all across Reddit.

I'll butter your toast you damned hippie.

I want to thank everyone here for all the butter.

I don't care about the risk either. Go look at r/loungers

Idc about the risk. Fuck it. It's the cluster fuck

Not worth the risk imo

Nah I'm out

r/relationships wants in

Heh welcome to Reddit

I left

@Sloth On Meth just leave the sub

Fuck the admins

We have so much support right now

fuck the admins

Well you know what? We can't get the admins to listen anyways. I reported a sub that's dedicated to stalking doxxing and harassing Belle and you know what the admin response was? Fucking nothing

i mean it's not like we can shut the sub down ourselves so i doubt we'll get userbanned as long as you're not taking part in the shenanigans

this isn't how you get the admins to listen to you

for about 10 minutes anyway, then realized how stupid it was

@ShaneH7646 this is how you get people to spam the admins

and then it went south

lmao

i was just joking

I played a heavy part in that and hugely regret it

like

HARD

then it got outta hand

i started that

remember that

yes

this is like that fucking april fools blackout

/ banned shane

they couldve shut the subreddit down

this is how you get banned because they asked us nicely

no. this is not the way

Isn't that what we want though?

how well do you think that's going to work

throwing a hissy fit to get the admins to talk to you?

seriously

shit

fucking

this

stop

@ShaneH7646

can't believe I decided to mod it at one point this is going to achieve nothing

lol I know it's a joke at this point

this is going to cause us so much shit

sub

fucking

the

close

this guy opened it up again

theres not much working with going on

they have litterally ignored reports and the questions we had

how will keeping it open make anything better?

why not just work with the admins

this is absolutely fucking stupid

...

I doubt he gives a fuck about it.

The day an admin will give you shit because you muted him is the day reddit will combust in flames.

Sody isn't mad. Sub should shut down. We were told to stop. Bad idea to go against the directives of the people who literally own your account.

I think we're mostly done. idk if shane has anything he wants to do or not.

What are the plans for the sub, though?

In modmail

I was referencing the conversation I missed

then what's he mad about?

He's not mad about his inbox Shane

Of course he isn't. He's an admin

we kept responding to the modmail. I don't think he'd really be all that mad about that, though.

What is with his inbox?

I swear if he's mad about his inbox...

or do you just mean that modmail from earlier?

What

his inbox?

what's sody mad about?

Maybe someone tagged me in private channels

So weird

I did, nothing pops up

Check the activity link.

Did someone DM me?

Hmm why am I tagged with two notifications but have no messages

caballin shot callin

I was just cabaled in and enjoying the show

Time to see if I get booted as a mod, I guess.

I just caught up on it

Or did you just catch up on the convo?

What’s going on? Something specific?

Sody ain't too happy

So uhh

I took a screenshot.

the modmail sody sent us.

Blurring names for what?

R/masstagger

@dubteedub how'd you get those cringanarch ytags

no, I"ll blur it too.

I hope it's not too latr to get my name blurred

He’s a true sub collector, he legitimately does no moderation on any of the subs

He modded me to gatekeeping and Nicegirls

Stuffed02 saw I was an active mod so

I was added as a mod to DeepFriedMemes (by the top mod, not stuffed02)

Yeah stuffed02 added me to two of his subs

you got added to a bunch of stuffed02 subs with a quickness though

I saw your comment about getting kicked from justiceserved

If it helps to prove I’m not an alt, I became a mod of r/JusticeServed like 8 months ago. I slowly worked my way up to getting more subs from that

We used to think Bob was an alt too, remember

hmm, weird :shrug:

You can also see my top comments date back further than that

I was one of the top joiners during circleoftrust, and I made a ton of comments then

Yes it does, I just have enough comments that reddit doesn’t record it

and youve only been an earthporn mod for 2 months

before that its like a dozen or two posts on some random subs

but your comment history doesnt start until 5 months ago

DeepFriedMemes requires stickies removal comments, which takes up a ton of my history

I dont think you are Shane

I’ve been accused of being so many peoples Alts. First I was told I seem like the alt of some EarthPorn mod, now Shane

Check my top comments

That’s mainly from DeepFriedMemes

sorry, not no posts, but your /u/ is like all toolbox removal comments

I have posts

Also what do you mean about my post history?

That was from the discord voice chat

that and this along with @ShaneH7646

What?

because you have no posting history other than toolbox extensions

Why does everyone assume I’m an alt?

@TheGoldMustache whose alt are you?

listening to woodhouse is always a mistake

Just for your own sake

@TheGoldMustache

Don't leak dm slack

@TheGoldMustache remove

It was a bad decision on my part

It was. People in the DM chat suggested it

as well as LSC and FC

@TheGoldMustache looks like you were the one that added LoL to the list

I like that one actually. That is bad for that looney and his fake news thing

Heh

>We would like to thank @HowleyReports for fully funding this liberal project. Pat is a good friend of mine who thought if we made big drama his article would go viral. Here is a relevant pig gif - Shane *Cringe*

I did take off LSC

I really don't think I added pewdiepie

it looks like you and Shane were the most recent edits

Where are you seeing this? In mod logs I only see that I revised the page, not exactly what I did revise

hmm, maybe im reading the log wrong, there were a lot of edits

And I certainly don't remember removing debatealtright

I don't think I did add pewdiepie

- Drop all mods who want out - Make sure the remaining mods know not to rely on the admins in case of harassment. - If you are at risk of getting doxxed, drop the sub (gabbi) - Do what the admins say but dont shut it down bcs an admin said its making more work for them like... then do your job?

@Merari im looking over the wiki revisiosn for the target list, why did you remove debatealtright and metacanada a couple days ago and add on pewdiepiesubmissions?

or if we keep complaining about harassment, I guess, since that creates work for the admins.

the only way the sub will get suspended is if it continues to create more work for the admins, which it likely won't.

And @ShaneH7646 dont get suspended. Drop the sub and invite an alt or some shit. Then play.

LMAO rekt

cool

I'm thinking it should be done by noon hopefully.

:thumbsup:

it'll be done today.

I mostly just wanted to post an explanation to AHS today

I have to go to a meeting in a few min, but I'll start on it when I get back.

I"m gonna do another writeup with links and shit. you can crosspost to SRD if you want since I'm not allowed to post my own drama

Also way to mute sodypop you idiot

@phedre let me know when you post the modmail

Bad idea

Yup

@ShaneH7646 if you reopen the sub you will likely be suspended. Are you really that dumb?

The admins will close it for you lol

Then leave.

Bad idea

Fixing the issues raised of course, but continueing

Because I'm reopening the subreddit in 24 hours if none of our questions are answered

probably my profile, SRD, AHS, TMOR

Where you posting the screenshots too?

Probably best

do you think I should blur out "DM slack" too?

but I'll blur your name, I'm not a monster.

you can ignore a userping and PM.

the death threats are empty threats.

We don't even have perms on the sub anymore. Can't even mute someone who decides to be a persistent troll

Yes, please. I am already expecting a lot of harassment and death threats over this, I don't want to add fuel to that fire

I mean, I'll blur it, I just didn't think you typically shy away from it.

merari, you seriously want your name blurred out of modmail? I thought you loved having your face on this stuff.

Like they do 99% of other issues

But honestly? I get how this is extra work for admins. I dont get how they cant ignore it.

As long as its the sub itself

I like my account

Get acted on

eh, let's get acted on tbh

We're stopping because the alternative is getting acted on

Meanwhile reddit burns and us mods get lined up and harassed day in day out for doing volunteer “work”.

that's literally what they said was a big part of the problem

Work... thats what they dont want

admins: ok, well knock off your shit then, and stop causing us work

Are you guys stopping bcs sody said to “behave”?

us, after causing a shitload of drama: "admins, they're harassing us"

Grey area free for all for the admins

I won't be leaking DM slack.

I was mistaken. N8 was talking about modmail

I know that lol of course they would

It's not

Why is DM slack being leaked

Admins told us to knock it off

Shane why are you using a service you literally get paid for (supload)

the fuck is going on

What was the screenshot abt what did the admins say

Well, ok. Please blur my name

Modmail

Wait

I think it's a bad idea to leak DM slack. If you can't be persuaded not to, please block all the names

who wants me to blur their name for the modmail screenshot with sody? obviously I'll already be blurring sody's name.

I don't know. That's what I was told. I haven't seen it myself

@Merari the LoL subreddit didn't get harrasment

The private page message is to fuck with that fake news confabulist. Thanking him for his help harms his tiny "news" outlet

Who the fuck put that in there anyway

The general idea was that this was creating a lot of harassment for moderators of our subreddit and target subreddits. Especially subs that had no business being on the list such as LoL

We can't leak dm slack

Take that supload link off lol

Also

what the fuck is that

@ShaneH7646 We would like to thank @HowleyReports for fully funding this liberal project. Pat is a good friend of mine who thought if we made big drama his article would go viral. [Here is a relevant pig gif]() - Shane

@Siouxsie Sioux care to screenshot

@Merari

@phedre

Sid sody answer any questions?

I'm not getting involved in that in any way

I'm curious as to what this blackout thing we're telling them about is supposed to be.

I'm too drunk to put up with any shit from sody

Also, No-one puts ~~Baby~~ Siouxsie in a corner

Sodypop basically said "Hey, uh - there's a bunch of jerks targetting you guys and that makes work for us" and I was all like, inside, "ARE YOU BLAMING US FOR STANDING UP TO THE BULLIES" but then went into Angry Academic Mode

hehe I don’t mod there

?

Theblackout?

so is TheBlackout the same kind of thing or is it actually happening

haha

if by slap you mean sent sodypop to politely whine to us, yes

oh wait did the admins slap us

theyre onto us

guys

fucking gamer nerds

haha probably

I'm pretty sure it was the messages r/lol got that got sody to message

hey props to ya'll for being big enough that putting LoL on the sidebar was enough to get a PM from sody himself

>causing the admins ~more~ work is against the TOS

causing the admins more work is against the TOS

We're not in any way shape or form breaking the stated rules of reddit so i'll be damned if they ban US with the sub.

Fuck that guy with a rusty rake

oh i figured when I saw all the ppl asking about slack, of course he's on DM slack

I think apologies and any hint of begging for forgiveness is inappropriate.

^ he's in dm now

I did cuss sody out recently

ypu shoulda let this fire you got now loose on him

I wasn't apologising

you started it with yer "i feel you"

And thank us for spending our free time running their site they barely care about

He should apologize to us for taking so long to ban mde

Well, I'm not

I'm not sorry

No shit. So why are we apologizing to him

Tbf sody doesn't make those decisions

But oh we are just _so_ sorry

Oh sorry sody we worship you and we let you down even though you fuckers ignored the problem of hate groups flourishing on your site and harassing us and ruining our communities

All of these people apologizing wtf

INORITE

figured it would have taken some of the heat off of them tbh

Lol

I bet sody never thought they'd be reaching out to someone for taking responsibility for a huge ban wave.

that's funny

thanks

Hey anyone got a link ot the sodypop thread?

Possible

@Merari It’s possible that they just guessed. People in the discord made the assumption that admins made us stop

Who's leaking

exactly like they did today

So in case anyone was wondering why I never went to the admins about the death threats I was getting, it's because as soon as you start creating work for them, they'll step in and tell you to knock it the fuck off.

Lee Atwater -> 30 years later -> Steve F'n Bannon

I can't fault them for not doing anything that could be construed to be political during the campaign, because they're not omnipotent, and the DoJ ain't nothin' to fuck with. But now everyone knows what they're up to, and we can get society to be vaccinated against this bullshit for another thirty years at least

That’s when they figure out the tactic: give your marching order in public by couching them in “this is what (((they))) do”

yeah they could have started this when GG started because that was really the turning point on Reddit.

FWIW, my position is that this (these bans) is the beginning of a garbagefire that is going to burn, and that it's going to burn hot and hard, and put the admins through a lot of hardship, but that it could have been avoided or better managed if they had a more sensible anti-abuse policy and practice. It could have been a dumpsterfire but they let it get to this point. Equity serves those with clean hands and we have servicably ungrimy hands

Good

It was made like 2 days ago to imply that AHS finally got a bunch of anti-pedo subs banned.

Also /r/AgainstPedoHate banned.

Yeah fuck that place. That was straight up coontown mods.

Bant

less ads than imgur even

it just has ads

no it doesnt

>It's a site that uses your computer to mine shitty cryptocoins when you view images on it

whats to fix

@ShaneH7646 can u fix the supload link

imo yes get us on the news

nvm im dumb

@ShaneH7646 no longer private?

Are the senior people speaking to the Vice guy, Matt, or not?

I have no idea what is going on, but it appears it's turned into a big pile of confusion and meta-trolling circle-jerking luls.

Sorry for panicking. I was not looking forward to an inbox full of abuse

Thank you Shane, this is a huge relief

I think we are out of crises to manage and fires to put out, so I'm going to go to dinner. Nobody light any matches for the time being

:the_horns:

its litterally nothing

Ah just a troll

Shane what is beigeconsortium

now to watch them try figure out what the beige consortium is

Brb

Ah. I see both thanks. Glad he’s changed it.

I think Dumbs lost power. N8 is at work

I can't even spell anymore

It's gone praise things

looking

Is it gone?

I cant find the message as im logged into the sub is there a screenshot

I missed a lot at work. Going to catch up

badly

like

we're mods of big subs and we get threatened over shit like this

Yes, that. What sloth said

@ShaneH7646 can you hurry up?

Anything.

^

./R/THEBANOUT2018 HAS SHUT DOWN. MORE INFO SOON.

anything

what should I replace it with?

@ShaneH7646

Why are you doing this

"Oh no these poor babies got harassed and they do it for free!"

You're goading these people into attacking us

@ShaneH7646 take that message off

If he wants perspectives, then we'd provide them. None of us are going to speak on behalf of the subreddit / on your behalf, though.

You're going to ensure we call get send endless deaththreats

Take that message of the page now

yes

What, speaking to the Vice reporter?

I think Shane is just someone who is sick of altrighters, I can relate.

what. you cant be serios about speaking to them now?

We need a private setup.

@ShaneH7646 Great input, thank you :slightly_smiling_face:

Nuked it. Removed comments. Start over in private

“Bigleaguepolitics” isn’t even included as News by google

Hang on what message?

No Vice or NPR though

The fuck is that story

I thought Shane would mess around again

Meh, it was funny while it lasted

I agree. Shane is one of them

We were trolled Shane is one of them

And no one can remove this idiotic message because the dumbass took our perms

I can’t find anything about it on Vice or NPR

You all know how this will be spun. "Oh no the crybabies were harassed" and then they will turn the harassment up to 11

The Banout hasn’t been mentioned on any news sites. Unless we can convince a news organization that we were responsible they don’t care

not NBC News, but Vice and NPR news

This dumbass message on the front page means the trolls won. It's over

Oh, it's - it's news.

ban thebanout2018 bh.. it's the perfect ending

Is news

>doubt

“This is going to be news”

But this is going to be news, and we do, each of us, have the ability to discuss our experiences and motives with the Vice reporter

Shane took our fucking perms again and printed a dumbass message on the private page

But the admins have nothing to gain or lose by our actions.

I mean we can ask for a favor.

Right now most of us don't have permissions to affect the subreddit's config, and it being private with this showing on the splash page, probably satisifies the admins, for the most part, for the time being.

We hold 0 chips with the admins.

*they

We could use this to negotiate with the admins amiably. Maybe this will listen to it now if we handle this civilly

he funny 2 me

I don't know that he'd bring anything to the table at this point, and from my estimation of him, he's already on board with both the "make them look like clownshoes" and "take away their privileges and access" tables

alright

He seems to enjoy pissing off alt right pissbabies and seems to be good at it.

The banout fold? Yes

Deverat is one of my favorite dudes is it too late to bring him into the fold?

We get the same treatment every other community gets, the same chances

*behind

They can't handle us any differently than they handle any other community, and there's a long litany of reasons behand that

Was a nice message fair play. He could have beeb an asshole and just banned / suspended us. It’s nice that s/he reached out first

Yeah that's why we're private lol

Wow an admin messaged us

Just overall. Banout starts and right after the admins ban dozens off hate subs

its workiiing

I’m in the road I haven’t seen any of this sodypop biz

Ban

What van?

Lol I know

I can't believe how lucky our timing was with the banout. We do this and bans start. Fucking lul

I like that sody gave us a knock and then actually banned another sub on the list

I’m sad they stopped.

I think it was a KIA post. I’m not sure but BoOC has a contest going a while back.

Lol nice

it’s s must listen

So that link I just posted is a dramatic reading of an actual Reddit post.

Especially since sjwhate just got banned

Let everyone freak out for just a little bit longer while we write the announcement post

yes

Perfect

yes or no

Oh on discord? Yea fuck that

(i go @ everyone THEBANOUT2018 IS SHUTTING DOWN and close all text channels but one, allowing everyone to lose their shit in there)

can i do this on the discord?

@Quietus42 You have big shoes to fill:

and then we type up a good announcement for the subreddit

how's that sound

i go @ everyone THEBANOUT2018 IS SHUTTING DOWN and close all text channels but one, allowing everyone to lose their shit in there

I think we should look powerful, not at the whim of the admins.

i have a plan

you know

Nah.

can i put that on the discord?

**TheBanout2018 is shutting down.** The admins have reached out to us and told us to cease operation. Our subreddit has caused unforseen issues to other moderation teams and individuals unrelated to hate subreddits. Please refrain from harassing, spamming / attacking any communities, individuals etc. If you are caught doing so, you will be reported to site admins, Now, to the juicy part: Dear reddit Admins. You and i both know these subreddits should have been banned ages ago. Subreddits like /r/milliondollarextreme have been causing issues to us mods for a long, long time. We've even resorted to using custom bots to ban people who participate in certain subreddits, simply because the anti-brigading tools you once promised are just not available to us moderators. Thank you for banning these hatesubs, but this could've gone differently. *Disclaimer: /r/Thebanout2018 and / or it's moderation team has no control over the decisions the admins of make.*

SJWhate being banned would’ve been easy to claim credit for

Shit it’s too bad it happened now

tango down!

SJWhate gone!

Okay.

wait im writing something up

What should we say?

@phedre

Okay good. And do we have Nate or somebody working on a post?

can i make an announcement on the discord?

yes

Is TBO2018 private?

Sjwhate is banned!

Yeah the anti banouts are funny as ell. They’re meant to upset us but they’re too comical. Seriously

They've noticed:

just ballisima

This is great I’m love the reaction subs.

bro hold tight

Everything on thebanout is hidden right now

Thats what i get

Read all her theories

Lol yup

SIDES

FUCKING

MY

HAHAHAAH ITS CRYSTALVULPINE

I found a bunch of anti-banout subs that are hilarious.

Theres nowt there

I lost my res tags 2 years ago so I’m running on memory here.

Y'all should check out r/unbanout2018

I lost my res tags 2 years ago so I’m running on memory here.

I’ll have a look at thebanout now

I keep hearing about this other quietus

I know I thought you were him maybe.

I'm the quietus42 from TMoR lol

bestofoutrageculture dramatic reading contest.

Oh I guess another quietus

BoOC?

I didn't even notice. I was trolling hate subs, laughing

I mean you did do those epic BoOC readings right?

I haven’t really looked at the sub been busy today so mosr just been posting articles to certain subs

Not one person noticed /r/YiffInHell

Personally I’m surprised at how much attention LoL got

I feel infamous

*exists

We pissed off *all* the racists xD

It's pretty awesome how epic this got though

lol

Leagueoflegends

LOL?

We had two

Probably one of the CA mods

memed too close to the sun

Yeah whoever added LOL fucked us lol

Hang on I’m a lil tired here but am i reading this right? You want the admins to ban thrbanout?

Replace? I thought we were SRS?

who added r/LeagueOfLegends to the sidebar?

I know but fear of the unknown is powerful

Even before any of this

what?

they already do.

We’d fully replace SRS

They'd whisper about us in the dark corners of Reddit

@ShaneH7646 get us banned lol

I like it

No, think about it: we'd be a forever bogeyman

boring

What if we just went private and never mentioned it again?

nooooOOOoooOoo

this

But it would definitely be the most interesting one

I’m not actually suggesting we do it

@Merari definitely

We'd never live it down

It gets banned, and then they make an announcement saying the sub was meaningless

That would be the worst possible outcome

i'm a +1 for asking sody to ban the sub

Plus the admins get to ban the boogeyman that is the Banout. All the salty people on reddit will suddenly love the admins

that would be absolutely incredible

its not like we can open it up and have it be anything

Holy shit

the amount of drama that will be generated by the sub being banned i think would be delightful

we ask them to ban the sub

OR

maybe we should go full steam ahead until they ban the sub

do they get these modmails?

cringeanarchy has been doing similar stuff the whole time

and they are to blame for this mess in the first place

he sucks

also no apologies to fucking sody

Subreddit Settings

lol

:thinking_face:

Removing all the posts doesnt set it to private

its not on private

There we go.

put the sub on private pls

@ShaneH7646

is that message o k ?

Good idea about going private

"please do not harass moderator teams or individuals"

y'all should put the sub on private while we figure this out

Okay I'm here

@Zook

"we have no control over admin decisions"

put it on private

good point

ah

nah we're causing trouble so lets turn it into a place where we document the banned subs for now

We don't have to have any ultimatums. The subreddit can go private and then we can have plenty of time

yo guys it's over

@ShaneH7646 if you dont make a decision I will, if you dont like it demod me. I'm on my way home. If you havent decided in an hour I'm gonna post sodys modmail as a sticky post and then add a version of the as the stickied comment

We should do both - we say that the assertion that WE were in control of the ban was a prank. That's the truth. We should also say that WE wanted to getpeople aware that they can take control of their communities and exercise their freedom of association, because that is ALSO the truth. How does that sound, @ShaneH7646?

it says everything that needs to be said

just post the screenshot of sody's modmail

lol

I fucking told you so

@phedre quit having a life

'Let me know if you have any questions' is corporate speak for "Listen up dipshit"

Either close the sub or admit it was a troll are our only actual options

Right now, we control the framing. If we show that this is a prank, we still control the framing, and we do it in a way that the hate groups cannot reclaim

sodypop is litterally opening a conversation. >Let me know if you have any questions.

lol why are you so eager to quit

lol

Like, right now. Take the sub private, do the interview

We have no choice. We have to stop

Jig is up

>Hey mods, I wanted to talk to you about some issues with this subreddit. There are a few issues in the way that you are misleading users into thinking you're responsible for the recent subreddit bans. We also noticed /r/leagueoflegends was put on your "hitlist" of subreddits which really is not alright as it is creating unecessary troubles for that moderator team. On a side note, we're also seeing increased reports of abuse and targeting of the moderators of this subreddit, which complicates the efforts of our support teams to help you and other moderators in regular day-to-day support. Most importantly, this makes it more difficult for us to do our jobs policing the site. >We'd like you to stop misleading users, and stop stirring up troubles for other communities moving forward. Let me know if you have any questions.

Mythological narratives are being constructed right now, by the hate subreddits and the fascists backing them. **_We can shatter those_**

shut up, the admins are listening, noone reply to sodypops modmail

And replace fascists with trolls in this and the same hold true

I read a Yale Professor of Philosophy, Jason Stanley, @jasonintrator - He writes about rhetoric, and narratives, and fascism, and discourse, seriously -- if you want to do this seriously, and want to do this with the backing of the experts on how to best go about doing this, Jason Stanley is the go-to guy for expert advice on how to go toe-to-toe with fascists and bullies and win. He talks about the epistemology and ethics of platforming and deplatforming Steve Bannon in this thread

They have some questions to follow-up on, why is /r/whitenationalism and /r/debatealright still up? Why do the admins ban these communities and not others?

Exactly

Also, admins have been known to act after media attention. The bottom line matters

yup, it gives them a chance to do some digging on these other subs and ask the admins why are these subs not banned?

And gives the reporter something juicy

100% truthful narrative, puts us in a decent light, and puts pressure on the admins to do more by showing the reporter all these other communities that are still up

Provide the explanation that the sub was made to discuss issues of hate subreddits and ways the mods can take action. We happened to have lucky timing in that several of the worst offenders were actually banned shortly after the sub was made and decided to flip the script and claim credit for the bans and say that other subs were next. There was much freaking out by these hate subs, particularly as a couple more of the subs that were named actually were banned that week. Point out that a lot of the content on these subs were calls for minorites to be murdered or holocaust denial, etc. and that Reddit gave these communities a home for well over a year. Explain that this is a pattern of behavior and that Reddit continues to host a ton of white nationalists and other hate communities. Say that this is a great first step, but the admins do sincerely have much more work to do.

>No problem. I'll keep sending you guys info regardless but do you think you could put some pressure on r/kstv and r/chaoticneutral. They're subs I personally want gone in a bad way and they're both MDE related so they're pretty vulnerable right now. Should be able to get them on ban evasion or content violations.

that already gets done, just a little slower.

Got this just now:

Here's something tangible about this whole thing that has helped: People are pm'ing me lists of MDE spinoff subs they find. I am reporting these to admins. Then they're banned

how does that help or change anything though. there are already articles about the banned subreddits.

"Moderators see the worst hate and racism on a daily basis on Reddit due to the site hosting a number of hate communities. This week several of those subs were banned and a group of power mods pulled a prank to claim credit while taking a stand against harassment and abuse"

Okay, everyone take a break and breathe

You're not being clever. What you want will not work

I have held back a great deal.

can you patronise me a little more please

That

Please trust us, Shane. -- I spent a decade working for a PR firm and the way we springboard out of this with the community following us, is as trickster-hero figures who stole back the sun from the trolls.

Please listen. A lot of us are middle aged. We know how people work by now. We know what can work and what cannot work.

On the other hand, what you want will make us the boogyman

Everything is spin. Everything is narrative. Getting the public on your side is easy. Make yourself the underdog and score a victory against the big bad. We're doing that with this

merari has a good political motivation

Merari had a good write up

We can be Mel Brooks instead of clownshoes.

We have actually had people cover us trolling trolls before

Then work that to your advantage instead of making it so much worse

we are already a laughing stock

We can pretend that mass bans will happen. They will not. We will be a laughing stock and a meme for years to come. The trolls win

We *can* have both.

Or

We have a game plan. We have a fantastic story. We have good successes. We can use this interview to go out on top

there is not way to phrase that in a way it wont be laughed at and shrugged off

Shane, take a while to read through the responses we've gotten on /r/AgainstGayMarriage, or /r/Faggots. Lots of people get morale out of seeing them subverted.

Maybe its best not to communicate with the press unless we’re all in a clear agreement or it’ll be like Brexit, a bloody shambles lol

Not if you put it like that. It will if you explain it the way we thought out. You can simplify anything until its lame

in fact, nothing comes from 'we trolled the trolls!'

no good will come from 'we trolled the trolls!'

Yup, literally every other mod here is able to discredit any blatant lies you pull shane

This is such a novel initiative that we can use to do some real good. Please don't sabotage this and make everyone here the butt of the joke for years to come

I won’t be on for a week.

So claiming that the aim of the subreddit is to get Reddit to own up to delivering a safer experience for its users, is a good thing. But - don't claim that we're directing Reddit administration to shutter communities.

I’m going out to dinner. I’ll check in later to see if this lunacy has settled.

Lying about what’s going on is not going to get us anything but an admin explosion in our faces and I want no part of it.

Have you honestly not been actually following anything on this sub?

Dont lie to the press. Its a shit idea will make a mockery of us and we’ll likely get demodded or suspended

the admins know it is bullshit because we claimed responsibility for all of the banned subs

Putting public pressure on Reddit administration to work out a technological solution to deliver that functionality (it's not actually difficult -- Unix has had this for 45 years) isn't itself a bad thing. It can be a tool that improves reddit for people who aren't us, even if we aren't going to use it

I have to leave for now, catch you guys later.

We will not say that because it is not true

if we say this is serious to a reporter, the admins may take note. if we say it was abullshit and just a trol nothing happens and this has been pointless

blackladies uses saferbot already and several other subreddits used it to massban MDE users, now that MDE is banned, there are no further plans to implement the ban bot

u/saferbot does that already

There are plenty of others (not in our social circle) who legitimately want and/or need the ability to blanket-ban the users of arbitrary subreddits, in order to use Reddit at all, much less use Reddit safely.

got till the 22nd of november to figure that out

r/BlackLadies wanted the ability, legitimately.

>It's like the 2015 blackout, but instead of going private we will ban every participant of a hateful harassing subreddit from as many subreddits as possible. Unlike the blackout, this will only effect the cause of the problem You are lying if you say you are going to ban every user from every hate sub. Do you think the mods of /r/moviedetails are going to go for that? I sincerely doubt /r/learnuselesstalents is So where are you going to mass ban people from?

The ABILITY to ban from a subreddit, users of other subreddits, isn't a stupid idea. It's just one that has had technical problems and political lack of will behind it.

Ive been on reddit for 10 years my dude. Trust me, its a stupid idea

There's a distinction between technological ability to do a thing, and getting political backing to do a thing. Everyone has had the technological ability to do this thing -- banning the users of given subreddits -- for a long time, and they started to do it a while back, until the admins said "hey don't do this, it burdens the servers and the complaints from the jackasses look bad and suck up our time".

I'm saying its not a stupid idea.

Yeah, and we all told you then it was a stupid idea, n8 made a funny post after MDE got banned claiming credit, and now we are where we are

This is the stage where I normally explode into an angry rant

you can litterally just go to the sidebar of the subreddit, my intentions have been pretty clear since I made the sub

You want other people to buy into your plan, yes? So explain it

which are?

Oh my god

the intentions of the subreddit.

So you are going to tell them what then?

I wouldnt be lieing though

You think any reporter will care what you say when there is proof you are lying to them? You think that reporter will care to listen to any reddit moderator again in the future if you lie to them?

We don't want to showcase the hate that was on the subreddits, we want to have a narrative that Redditors are able to take control over their subreddits and not be over-run by an army of hatefilled goons, and punk them when they try

and they will be right

the admins can just put out a statement that we are full of shit

this

if thats our options

I rather nobody talk to a reporter than lie to them

Shane. Please.

it gives us a chance to showcase the hate that was on those subreddits and why we support banning these communities in the future

And we can tell it in a way that is exciting, interesting, novel

no, you havent.

Not if you present it like that. But we have given real, tangible ways in which this has made a change for the better

but at least that is the truth

neither is 'I trolled a bunch of trolls, nothing changed, noone cared'

that isnt newsworthy

its just going to be you adding saferbot to your own subs

then dont do it, I'm not forcing anyone too

Nobody is going to do it with you shane

Are you saying any of the subs you mod have agreed to add a banbot for every sub listed in the sidebar?

Admins will not allow it. Please understand this

It's not happening.

who?

Its not a false narative, you dont want to follow through and thats fine, but others do

Seriously though, attempting to use a reporter to broadcast a false narrative, with the reporter not on board with that, is a huge mistake. That will ony backfire horrifically

then dont, I'll speak to him.

I'm in my late 40's and if I had the power to Thanos the denizens of these hate subreddits out of the majority of Reddit, I'd do it. But I also don't try to do that because that plays into their mythic narrative that they're seriously dangerous. Milo Y made a whole arc of his career out of being the Bad Boy, "Dangerous Faggot", too dangerous for [whatever]. The world got past that, didn't give him the political power, figured out he was just an abuser, and now all he has left is his facebook page

Yes, we are anti-hate subs, but no one is gonna fall on that sword for you

No one here believes this is a serious "we are totes going to ban people from every subreddit we dont like"

No one here is going to lie to a reporter because you want to act tough

you refuse to listen to reasonable people presenting actual solutions and are acting petulant

You come off super immature and naive in these conversations is my point

what are you trying to say?

it would make sense

would that be a problem?

@ShaneH7646 serious question, are you a teenager?

noone wanted to get ontop of some sort of troll sphere

We'll be the joke of the troll sphere for years to come if we in any way try to actually go through with any sort of mass banning. It will be a meme. It will be a great victory for them

I’m not on board with serious posting, actual banout, and lying to reporters.

I’m on board with trolling and trying to make some good of it.

Im going to bounce if yall are going to keep saying it serious

we didnt do that

As far as I can see, it's both serious and a troll. Subverting the subverters is srs bsns

someone will post this chat or the one that was public

fine with me

you will be sincerely mocked if you claim this is serious

lying never works out

this

We should be as honest as possible without embarrassing ourselves.

no, that is literally retarded

we've got until november 22nd to figure something else out. the article will do way more if we say its serious

so demod me i guess

lying to a journo is retarded and noone here will back that option Shane

i wont be going with that plan shane

The journalist will not be fooled and just abandon us.

pretending that it is serious indefinetely is also "not going to do shit"

then what is your exit strategy

this is going nowhere lol

we say its serious and continue on.

Just remind vice that it’s really about how witchints and nazis and conspiracy mongerers have ruined any discourse at all. Vice will make the political connection themselves as well.

@ShaneH7646 if you dont like what we are suggesting, then present an alternate plan

Yes. We need to tell the truth in a way which benefits us, which means a way that doesn't advantage the trolls

It’s basically the truth.

Thanks Dubs, starred

tell vice it was an awareness campaign and we got fucking lucky because the admins actually banned a bunch of places and everyone freaked out and we rolled with it cause it fit fine with out initial mission.

It's going to let others know that they can do large-scale bans if they want, and deflate the "Freeze Peach! fascist censors!" myth. That's important - that it goes beyond just a joke and lets people feel comfortable asserting civil boundaries of what is and is not acceptable behaviour

@Merari here are some more MDE threads anti-race mixing anti-Semitism calling to "remove" jewish people holocaust denial - calls to brand all Jews - celebrating a trans redditor commiting suicide -

*Admins

That was hilarious and they did it to themselves and the Adkins never had to make it political.

maybe we could each tell our perspectives about what we wanted from the beginning and what we were trying to do throughout. that might be more interesting than a single statement.

Like remember when admins banned a bunch of jailbait, beasteality, and explicitly Nazi subs, and a bunch of trolls came out to /r/announcements to ask “why do you only target right wing communities?!”

either the truth or no vice

lying wont be good either

vice isnt going to be interested in 'we did nothing, we're planning to shut it down, fuck the altright'

And let the rubes be the ones informing everyone that “they were all right wing subs!”

We could just say that they were dangerous conspiracy subs.

Yes

^

i'd let n8 be the one to post this shit since they already hate him

what do you realistically expect from the banout? no one here actually planned on mass banning any users

panicking for what? 4 days?

looks good @dubteedub

It does though. We got them panicking. Everyone was talking about it

oh, we got to lock threads

awareness doesnt do shit

we got the muting feature, new modmail, I think there were a couple other things, but off the top of my head I can't remember.

we use this as an opportunity to raise awareness

that doesnt expose shit

What tools?

>The central narrative that these jerks like to exploit is a cycle: That they're the Victim, and the Rescuer, and that the targets of their hate are Their Persecutors and the Persecutors of Everyone/r/TheBanout2018 is a troll to take the air out of that narrative, to show that they're just clownshoes and not anyone's Victims, and not anyone's Rescuers, and are actually abusive predators.

a few extra tools is better than nothing

The attempt is to expose these people for what they are.

what attempt do you want exactly?

so we just arent going to make any attempt at anything?

all the blackout did was give us a few extra tools, like muting and new modmail.

The support we were getting in mod mail

And we should really make a point of mentioning that too. The subs going private and changing their themes

we were never going to make any changes on our own. the admins don't listen to mods, they really never have except for the blackout which won't work again.

Well, that's like what bardfinn said. It takes the stinger out of the wasp. It shows them to be clowns, not people in control. They were freaking out

what changes do you want?

I think that's a really good way to draw attention to this issue in a way that will have the most chance of a positive effect

at what point does this make any changes

@ShaneH7646 @phedre @Siouxsie Sioux @(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream this make sense?

Yes. Very good. I'm gonna star those to save them

Here are just a few examples of why this ban has been set in place. the sub literally had a front page post recently that was just N*****S and the mods flaired it as "Upvote This". It had over 1000 upvotes. They also regularly post the same le black crime posts that /r/coontown did before them with the same comments full of slurs and calling for black people to be lynched Here is calls for violence against immigrants Archive bot didnt snag this one, but he is another MDE user spelling out LYNCH BLACKS in his comment Another user here says "I don't support a company unless I can spam NIG MODE without consequence"

Here was the mass message I was using to explain the MDE ban on BPT

We installed saferbot on Eyebleach, rarepuppers and happy to keep MDE from poisoning every single thread

or ones where we have to explain at all like TRP, KIA, Cringeanarchy, etc.

We can speak at lenght about how MDE was trolling a lot of other subreddits

yup

Just the worst of the worst subs. Leave out popular politically tinted subs like t_D

5./ we reopen the sub once the Vice article hits

so here is the plan if I understand: 1. tomorrow we close the sub, make some vague message that pops up on the private sub page about how we have reached a very positive agreement and that action will be taken soon 2. speak to the Vice reporter, explain to them that we happened to have made this sub right before these subs were banned and we used that to our advantage to pretend that we had a say 3. we trolled a bunch of hate subreddits by claiming they were next 4. we care deeply about hate and harassment on Reddit and though we were trolling, we do sincerely want action taken against actual hate communities, and give a few names like /r/whitenationalism, /r/whitebeauty, /r/gentilesunited, /r/debatealtright, /r/braincels, /r/subofpeace, etc. 5. we reopen the sub once the Vice article hits

tbh you could probably replace alt-right with trolls in every instance and it would work

Yes, I agree. It will have the most effect if we do that

Yes.

and remove all the political crap

We keep it at the trolling, the notion that bad faith participants are driving good people away and that we wanted to shine a light on that

Ok agreed.

regardless of the issue

this is why I wanted to get on the same page before speaking to anyone

yeah the moment you align with _anyone_ politically, you lose the other side’s support

Ok, good points everyone.

Yes.

this

if you say right, then they will assume we are against anyone vaguely right

We can just tell them that the banned subs were a hotbed of abuse and harassment and leave it to the reader to make an interpretation

you can say corloation to altright

though, I still dont think we want to say right

We don't even have to do that.

yeah, exactly shane

you can say that the subs that were banned were altright, but leave it at that

^ there is a corolation to the right, but we dont want to focus on them or that will be the focus. we want to focus on the harassment and hate in general

You're right

and we lose

if you say politics at any point they will call us butthurt leftists

Also please tell me that imgur link is private

we explain that this is against trolls, hate, and harassment, not that it is because they support Trump

Agreed

if we frame this as a political action, then we have lost

Are you going to insist that the abuse isn't coming from a particular direction?

I dont like that draft text as I explained earlier

like, half of what you've written is political crap

That is a rough draft and can be edited any which way

political crap

You wanted it to be about the abuse and harassment

this is all

And we expose them for the clownshoes they are. They were panicking. Subs private

but the abuse being specificly from the altright, because thats political

this is not a political sub, its anti-hate

But, as Bardfinn said, they're clownshoes

yeah

No, the underlying message being that we're taking a stand against abuse, harassment and the trolls having the upper hand.

The central narrative that these jerks like to exploit is a cycle: That they're the Victim, and the Rescuer, and that the targets of their hate are Their Persecutors and the Persecutors of Everyone/r/TheBanout2018 is a troll to take the air out of that narrative, to show that they're just clownshoes and not anyone's Victims, and not anyone's Rescuers, and are actually abusive predators.

Bardfinn said it really well:

the underlying message being politics?

^

We are trolling the troll sphere, but the underlying message is serious.

I dont know how you dont understand that

this sub is 100% a troll

> then over the weekend we explain to the Vice reporter that it was just a troll

We are serious in our attempt to draw attention towards the harassment and abuse and in our intent to expose the troll sphere for the clown shoes they are

did you read what I wrote?

we end the troll this weekend by closing the sub tomorrow, then reopen it when the Vice article is published where we tell them the truth

that is exactly what I said

speak to the reporter as if we are serious

We need to end it on our terms

"the other shoe will drop once the 2018 elections are complete"

It's going to end either way. The admin banwave is over

@ShaneH7646 then what do you want to do

no

Emphasise all the positive things we have achieved

@ShaneH7646

Using the Vice article as the culmination of the subreddit, wind it down after. This so that we can control the narrative while we still have momentum. As soon as the troll sphere realises no more bans are happening the balance will start shifting in their favour

what? I havent read the last like 2 hours

@dubteedub

We need to make "n8thegr8 derangement syndrome" a thing

Desthwave gave me an automod key to remove comments without being a mod. I'm tempted to use it

I havent read the last like 2 hours

what?

Ahahahaha

lol

RIP n8

Hope we’re not all going to be suspended

N8 can handle it

It will be used to harass the ones in it

But whatever

I'm uncomfortable with the vice article

@Siouxsie Sioux @(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream @ShaneH7646 are yall all good with this?

im on board with dis

people read vice article, some navigate to the sub, see the post stickied, see a comment "Courtesy of TopMindsOfReddit"

we could just make a new post tomorrow. there are enough eyes on the subreddit that if we post something over the top they'll take the bait. it'll be like the "white people smell like" post I made

not the whole game but "guys this is going to be funny, find some of their craziest batshittery

as soon as the countdown starts I'll let TMoR and AHS know

That can be stickied to the comments of the article post.

Good point

and in the mean time TMoR et al can keep track of all the crazy nonsense they spin

I see what you mean

Nah, 24 is good because people can relax and just set a reminder,

This is the internet after all. 24 hours is a lifetime

24 is very long. People will get fatigued

24 easy

Nah, 24

if it's too lame, he's just not gonna publish

Probably best to make the countdown about 6 hours. Go down maybe 4 hours before the article is live

Ninjad by N8

vice will eat that shit up

blame the president and conservative culture

I would try to selel him on using it to make a point about what a dangerous witchunt is going on.

he can not publish anytime too.

yes

and opent he sub back up with the article calling them rubes

you dont want to wait too long and have their editor lose interest either

Ooooh, wait so like, "we are shutting down for now as we've reached a VERY positive agreement with the admins, we have a big announcement to make (in a few days/on the day of [publishing])

Last communication we had we said we'd like to talk to them within the next three days. I will ask them this now

thats usually the first question you ask for a media inquiry

good point. we don't know when the vice article would go live.

Did you guys ask them what their deadline is?

Have they given you a publishing date? These things move slowly don’t they?

6 to 12 hours

and maybe temper their fear mongering

We could do that like 12 hours before the interview will be published, maybe even less. Suspense, but not to the point that fatigue sets in

^ make them sweat a bit

"Can The_Donald make it to the election without spreading more dangerous conspiracy theories?!"

shouldnt we close the sub first then bring it back once the interview goes out, we could even ask when the story will be published and re-open it on the same date

maybe we could take it private with the message "the countdown has begun" or something ominous

Yes. First interview, then wind down the sub over the next day or two maybe. Have it featured as a sticky post

by 'keep the troll going' i mean what dub said

Oh yeah, def keep the troll goin, but if we do the interview before we close the sub then it shows we're not just 'saving face'

I agree that the more honest we are the better it likely will be for us in the long run

Anything can be tweaked. That was just a rough draft

as always, I am perfect

I think dub has the right idea

I think our best bet is if tomorrow we close the sub and claim the admins listened to us, have hatesubs freak out for a couple days, then over the weekend we explain to the Vice reporter that it was just a troll but we really do think Reddit should take stronger action on hatesubs

and it's basically the truth

It doesn't make us look dumb, or liek we tried anything and failed

someone just suggested that we add /r/atheism to the list of subs to ban

it points out that these guys are idiots and their dangerous witchunts are based on nothing of substance.

> it was just luck we made this sub when the admins started banning shit this is it i like this

I wouldn't even twist truth. If it can't be done without minor omissions that don't actually change anything about the content being spoken, I wouldn't.

or even pre-AHS

>No pressure from us has gone to admins.Even if we wanted to, we could not actually mass-ban people. I mean, many of us have been using AHS to lobby the admins to ban hate subreddits for a long ass time

it was just luck we made this sub when the admins started banning shit

> we just made shit up like they do but our predictions are actually informed so we have a better track record.

not that we had any credibility to start with lol

Twist the truth but keep it truth.

Agreed. No lies.

Lying in an interview as our grand gesture is probably not a good luck and ruins our credibility in the future

>We used our insider knowledge of the imminent ban of MillionDollarExtreme and related subreddits as a way to lend credence to our claims Yeah, but that is not true at all

So, i have a question/pitch for everyone .

nerds

People like Phedre and N8 are good at making comprehensive writeups

im disappointed BPT isnt included

We helped people see how empty and pathetic they are

it shows the mods of the banout and the subs they mod / their connections

We took the iniative back from the trolls who had been on the agressive before, and we turned it around

it was on discord

Put emphasis on all we achieved. We really made these people panic. Subs went private. Subs were attempted to be rebranded as about chairs

And we'll do it soon, before we lose momentum

Is everyone on board with this? We go out with a grand gesture, this interview. We're going to, in the words of Bardfinn, show that these abusers and harassers are clownshoes

wtf, /r/nottheonion isn't important enough?

link to post

what does it meme?

this is making the rounds now

yea that works

The central narrative that these jerks like to exploit is a cycle: That they're the Victim, and the Rescuer, and that the targets of their hate are Their Persecutors and the Persecutors of Everyone/r/TheBanout2018 is a troll to take the air out of that narrative, to show that they're just clownshoes and not anyone's Victims, and not anyone's Rescuers, and are actually abusive predators.

Here's something Bardfinn wrote which I think should be our banner phrase for when we end it:

I mean, as far as I can tell all that's happened because of TheBanout2018 is a lot of kids got reaaaaally really mad at something that wasn't real.

Me and some of the moderators of large subreddits often congregate offsite on slack to discuss moderation issues. Spam, problem users, reddit infrastructure, automod code and so on. Though 80% of the talk on this slack is of a social nature. During these discussions we noticed that the alt-right on reddit plays by a different rulebook than the rest of us. They are not interested in a fair, intellectually honest debate. We noticed that a lot of our users felt discouraged when they were making well-thought out arguments in which they put time and effort, only to be replied to with a meme at best and abuse at worst. "Orange man bad" "The left can't meme." And so on.We saw that the initiative very much was with the alt-right, who were dominating reddit despite their what we believe to be far smaller numbers as opposed to people interested in a healthy, constructive debate, people who aren't completely morally bankrupt.We made a plan. If we could these people to believe that the rest of reddit had had enough and was going to ban participants of their subreddits from a large section of the rest of reddit completely, we could drive them into a panic.We could "troll the trolls". In doing so we could a) Give a morale boost to those who were weary of being trolled and harassed all the time. Especially when it would be revealed to all be joke. The shoe would be on the other foot for once. b) We could demoralise the alt-right. Perhaps, even, make them panick enough to do something so stupid that it would attract negative admin attention. c) As a side-project, any mod team contacting us to say they were interested in or supportive of the "banout" could be given the link to the same bot that r/LateStageCapitalism uses to remove bad faith actors. Since that bot can be programmed to only ban once a treshold amount of karma on target subreddits is reached it bans less false positives than a bot like SaferBot.We used our insider knowledge of the imminent ban of MillionDollarExtreme and related subreddits as a way to lend credence to our reality we have nothing at all to do with the recent banwave. This is 100% an admin initiative. No pressure from us has gone to admins.Even if we wanted to, we could not actually mass-ban people. The moderating teams of large subreddits would veto such a proposal. Admins would likely act against us for interfering with reddit operations, instead of acting against problem subreddits.

Here's something I wrote earlier:

Not necessarily. We don't have to lie but we can use spin.

that "what" was the plan?

The interview should happen no later than three days from now

Would it be along the lines of "yeah none of this was true that's not even ho reddit works and the admins don't listen anyways"?

We can spin it like this was the plan all along instead of serendipity

That way we keep the upper hand

Once reddit at large realises no more bans are coming the troll sphere will claim victory. They will claim that no matter what we do, it's their MO. Repeat a lie so long and loudly that some people at least start believing. We cannot prevent that. We can mitigate it. We can pre-empt this with this interview that is planned and by coming forward and shutting down once the interview is published

into what? reddit being overrun by nazis recruiting young men to harass and in some cases physically attack people?

I did too, but I'm worried about this snowballing even more.

We're going to do the interview in a few days and that will be the end of it

I likeed the idea of making them think something big was coming.

might as well go out with a bang while attention is on us and leave the hate communities feeling like they gotta look over their shoulder

the admins probably are not going to ban anymore communities for a bit, so if they don't we will stop getting attention and people wont care

nazis and angry bois are, as usual, angry

yes please

Reddit at large is pretty happy about the bans.

Well, lets take stock

I think it might be a good idea to just do a writeup tomorrow and shut it all down.

I dunno i mean getting all of their ire and letting them spread conspiracies about the place and then getting to point out to everyone that those insane idiots have been talking out their ass is pretty funny

I like this

> im of the opinion that we should say the admins have accepted our ultimatum and we have agreed to close this sub for the time being and pick an arbitrary date that the admins will ban another sub

@Siouxsie Sioux @(Melinda) Cherry Star Cream yall have any ideas

the fact that we have people coming to us asking us to ban certain subs isn't really sitting right with me. I feel like a con artist at this point, instead of just trolling some shitty hate subs.

im of the opinion that we should say the admins have accepted our ultimatum and we have agreed to close this sub for the time being and pick an arbitrary date that the admins will ban another sub

what do yall wanna do

so anyway, back to the final solution for this sub

now you're getting it

so is peeing in the bathtub

they're so comfy tho

sick

he wears finger toe shoes

:lenny:

ive seen n8s picture

i'm not convinced. he's a handsom guy, i'm goin to pretend it's you

yeah you just have to convince them it's not you :stuck_out_tongue:

well that person isn't a mod, so maybe they'll care

though as agentlame found out admins don't care if it targets mods

I now have a morbid curiosity and want to lurk

it's really close to PI depending on what that site is about.

Anyone have a link to that discord thing?

it's not PI... but it is, and it's certainly targetted harassment.

I mean, this is doxxing right?

I just told them.

well shit, tell the admins?

they've been calling me a nudist for like 2 weeks and I thought it was some weird meme, but apparently they found that guy's account.

yeah thats not good n8

nudist ?!

eesh

hard to tell if all this worhtless outrage is going to burn them out or make them more powerful....

they're starting to dox random n8thegr8s, and I'm not ok with this.

I like the idea of dusting hands and leaving them hanging

Lol, that's a good one, it might piss off the admins tho

Obviously MDE and GA had to go prior to the midterms so as to influence the election, they were getting too close

I think we should launch our endgame tomorrow announcing that the admins have given into our demands with the recent banning of MDE and GA and that they have agreed to ban all of the other subreddits we have identified after the midterm elections unless they shape up

we should probably shut it down.

^

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think this whole thing has or is nearly on the verge of spiraling out of control.

discord is already cancer but this one is particularly bad

right now it's just rewarding them with anticipation/success

I haven't even looked at the place. I don't want to

I agree tbh

No fanfare

if the discord isn't gonna be a honeypot I say nuke it from orbit.

fine

Aw god. This is herding cats

I almost left earlier and I was talked into staying. Let's give it a chance

I just banned a dozen folks from this dumbass discord

i'm about to as well because i'm tired of defending this shit only to get into this channel and see people pretending it's real

@dubteedub pls no

good luck yall

Im about to demod, because this is tiring and modmail is getting to be too much

Look honey. Susan have you heard de la soul and teenage fanclub? Unrelated

the invite is pinned to #general in case you need to use it again

thank you

This place is 100% trolling

my head is going to explode

there's the invite

to her

Give this link

#BanShane

invite to this channel?

I'm not a slackmin here

i'm not signed in

YOU INVITE HER

wtf

if any person here thinks that it isn't trolling, they are delusional

Joy is really confused. Invite her again

the "mission statement" will be trolling

Cause we haven't gotten cohesion yet. That's why 5 of us are working on ammission statement.

why does our top mod think we are

why do people in this channel think we are

And this is over the line

No one is actually getting banned.

>are these people not allowed to be against something that was only recently legalized

well why do people in this channel think we are

We're not going to ban anyone

their servers will love it

lol

i'm sure reddit's super awesome money making machine will be ready for the extra work

oh ok then yeah let's all ban everyone then

They won't allow a blackout. They've acted when things hurt the bottom line before. It could be construed as being against the TOS, interfering with reddit operations.

they're a default.

2xchromosomes runs an autoban bot, btw.

they dont know your agenda

then why are we punishing people who just randomly show up to that sub

we don't actually know that

if the sub doesn't explicitly say "no trans allowed"

> Admins wouldn't allow it.

also

take them out of the sidebar while their sub is at 3k

if you hate them so much

idgaf what they are, we are making them more popular by putting them in the sidebar

Vicious bigots, gatekeeping who gets to be a woman

because we aren't launching a giant crusade to ban people from a 3k sub

Theyre TERFs

and putting a sub like realwomen or whatever on the sidebar is part of trolling

or even considering it

anybody joining this should not be told we are seriously banning people

it's entirely a troll circlejerk

so why do people keep acting like we are going to do something like that

can you give it to her

i put the link here

It's completely unfeasable. Admins wouldn't allow it. Large subs would never go along. And even if, it would backfire spectacularly

@Siouxsie Sioux I'm talking to joy. Send her another invite

@ShaneH7646

can we all get on the same page with that

3k users?

We're not going to actually ban anyone

and giving them a big platform

i can be serious about not caring about a tiny sub

Susan, actualwomen are TERF's. bigots. And you cannot possible be serious about homophobia being perfectly fine

we should pick our fucking battles ffs

the sub is not explicitly a hate sub

plus

i'd never heard of them before i saw it in the sidebar

we are giving a sub like that a spotlight by acknowledging them

Yeah get rid

I just texted with the NPR guy. He's interested in this. They can't book me a studio til next week cause stupid hurricaine.

it looks bad for us

Dont understand why a discord was made

yeah, but if people join it and see a stream of slurs then they will assume we endorse it

I banned a few people earlier

Let them stay. Let them turn it into their hidey hole. It's a good opportunity to troll, AND it shows how lack of moderation inevitably leads to this bullshit, even/especially when it's counter to the commmunities purpose.

oh god that nerd.

@ShaneH7646 so can we shut down the discord now? You are adding hate users to the "trusted" role

I should sticky them in ahs

yeah I mean, it's right there in the sub name

*Actual*Women. There it is

I just gave it a look they welcome all queer people except trans. Yeah fuck them

> If you were born male but "identify as" a woman, you are not allowed.

it says in their sidebar that their sister sub is /r/gender_critical

speak for yourself :smiling_imp:

Oh is it? I have never looked at it. It's not in my radar

But srsly, it's just a prank. No one is going to go on a mass banning spree

I'm pretty sure that /r/actualwomen is a terf/anti-trans subreddit.

Fuck her snowmab then

send her that

Ok

Ah

i've sent joy a link to this place like 50 times

Ate you a slackmin here? Someone needs to add joy

i might leave if any person in this sub tries to push to make it "real" again

Hell yes your snowmab is banned

?

you guys want to ban me

well i'm in this sub because i like meta drama

Snowmab

memo

someone needs to give them the memeo

i saw shane and merari talking about it

oh

Calm down Susan it's a prank. We're not banning anyone

this here: are these people not allowed to be against something that was only recently legalized

I agree it's a little late for taking this thing literally.

if something happens there that is tolerated, it sure as fuck isn't obvious by looking at it

because it's only women? nothing in the sidebar indicates hatred

how the fuck is it a hate group

who cares about this sub

wtf

you guys have this sub on the sidebar of banout :

because from where i'm standing, the problems with /r/drama are entirely personal in nature yet you're wanting to drop a nuclear bomb on them because they were mean in discord and hurt gallowboob's feelings. We are going to punish 80k of the people who are actually interested in reddit and the meta aspects from using the site because they dared to find entertainment value in meta drama

maybe just block /r/drama? or use that masstagger thing and ban people who are being mean in your subs

and subreddits with 10mil+ subscribers sure as fuck aren't your personal army either

but we aren't your personal army

sorry drama was mean to you personally

for what

and who are we banning? You'd like to ban 400k people to hopefully hurt the feelings of 100

adding saferbot to a default is a truly dumb idea

ever.

but i'm never going to be a +1 for the_donald or cringeanarchy

i only ever agreed to saferbot for milliondollarextreme

none of my subs will be banning people for posting in r/drama

i thought we were trolling

are you guys really thinking of getting actual subs to do your bidding?

yes

i think avoid "tired" "fed up" language if possible, it will come off as whiney/weak

It shouldn't make you install anything if you're on your Google account

@Meari if you have Android just install this. Or make a Google account if you don't have one

gib :b:ulitzer

~think they are more important than everyone else~ care a lot about the community and ~want to impose their wants onto the rest of reddit~ want to ensure that as diverse of agroup as possible are able to benefit from and contribute to reddit.

Got to go. IRL calls. I'll be away.

contributing portion of reddit's userbase, the ones who light a candle rather than curse the darkness

@Siouxsie Sioux are you a slackmin here?

~who spend too much time on the internet~ core content creators and curators

I click on open with and the only option is to connect more apps. So I can't read that I don't think

This google doc thing wants me to "connect more apps" whatever the hell that means

~a bunch of very whiney entitled mellenials~ A vocal portion of reddit's userbase

That why our statement is that we have lives, families, are active in our communities, don't have time to deal with astroturfers and bullies 24/7 and are fighting back

Try rewording that narrative into a positive spin, it helps understand how to counter it.

Ok sent

no no, you disagree that every paragraph that isn't peppered with slurs is a waste of time, so you're a mellenial

Hmmm I'm almost 50, so not a mellenial

It's still not opening

The story is going to be "a bunch of very whiney entitled mellenials who spend too much time on the internet think they are more important than everyone else and want to impose their wants onto the rest of reddit"

Sure

If I PM you my statement could you add it for me please, Gabbi?

ugh

Instead of "wants" try "simply wish" "basic needs"

:this:

instead of "i" "we" try "(users/mods) throughout reddit" etc...

Yes

My google account? Like gmail?

how to ban someone from slack channel?

you savage

I dont even have chrome

overall critiques: use more populist language, avoid "I" and "we".

Use Chrome. Login to your google account in Chrome. Use link above. Open doc titled Boilerplate. It's only one in there.

How do I add to it?

How do I open it?

I dont actually know how that google drive thing works

i came here to troll not to scroll

Scroll up @WorseThanHipster

I've met goldg1sh. He has a snoo sticker on his guitar.

can see?

He is from NC

Added my statement to the Boilerplate Doc in Shared drive

that could be it

He’s a nutcase.

I keep thinking he's dutch for some reason.

he's american isn't he?

Fuck him. He equivalated being red headed with being trans. Thats when I said fuck you.

And yeah goldf1sh

Oh crap its active. Lol.

ugh, go1dfish

Wth do me a favour and post that to reclassified

cojoco runs r/bannedsubs but idk how up do date it is

I've got r/reclassified but people stopped updating it

I was hoping there would be something for banned ones, too :disappointed:

I know there's a which shows all the new subreddits. It's how I found this one:

Sunday tops

its the absolute max

yes

3 days is an eternity on Reddit

We are going The Colbert Show Serious-Humor route.

We should not delay for longer than about three days, tops

Not trolling

@phedre I'm inland so not that bad. Still torrential rain, floods, downed trees, power outages

We have decided on the spokespeople and working on a statement.

No

wait so are you guys trolling the reporter too or coming clean?

Gives us time to get the message down

I helped start it. It was to prevent them from reorganizing when they got banned. I did the CSS. There was a little pop up puppy doggo. And hilarious modmail with chuckspears pitching a hissy fit.

is there a list of banned subs somewhere that auto-updates?

We can putt Matt (reporter) off for a few days due to IRL stuff

How bad are you being hit?

niggersrebooted was a dead sub so kinda a hollow victory, but Ill take it

Yeah and you being safe is a lot more important than this.

What they banned that?! It was about puppies. Wtf

hopefully more to come? seems like an easy decision to pull the trigger on that one, though.

yup

We will collaborate the mission boiler plate, run it by Shane, then hit the journo. Fair warning. I'm about to be hurricained so I may loose power for a couple days.

This one was banned today

It’s just exposing us to even more shit.

yes

I’ll also say once this goes out we are going to be overrun by trolls and haters so can we please get the ability to ban and modmail mute? Idgaf about being able to add or remove people but I don’t like the idea of having to wait for someone to wake up if we get a troll.

Theyre going to claim victory no matter what. But we can make them look silly for doing so

Yeah I’d say that’s a good point.

We must pre-empt that

Redditors are going to figure out no more bans are coming. Then they will claim victory

The presser should be soon, before we lose the momentum

shoobs

lol

Ass :stuck_out_tongue:

that's why I said "nice meme"

ty ty

look at the url

Good pull

..dammit!

@GabbiKat you got tricked by @Br00ce that sub wasn't actually banned.

woot, when’s the presser?

Ofc you can speak

Of course

ys

im out of adhd meds and kinda hungover can i speak?

Who's a slackmin of this channel? Someone add joy

Hi bby

Hi @saydie (maybesaydie)!

OH wow, more bans.

We know. Past that now. Working on a boiler plate statement.

We can't do a blackout. They were very clear after the last one.

I blew them off, but then they were banned

Just some offshoots. But one was kinda old

I like bans :smiling_imp:

See modmail

What bans?

whats happening now?

Which subs?

Hi Saydie <3

again, today.

Holy Shit. There are bans going on NOW

Aw she's not even in this channel at all

@Not_Your_Cister

She might want to go under @Not_your_cister

She's not. The notyour account isn't either

@joy

Is joy here? We should add her is shes not

Lol they don't give a damn about anything except the mattress stuffed with money that spez sleeps on

so lets make them, is my point

Admins dont give a damn about harassment

And then run it by Shane before it goes public

yep

Ok

Ok.

Awesome. So phed, n8, meari, me and Gabbi will will collaborate on a narrative?

I tend to be the type to bring people together. I observer others skills a lot more than people know.

Meari and myself are also pretty good. We could all collaborate and then Shane could vet it

I’m ok with helping with cleaning up language. Just stick it all in a google doc and we can share it with the relevant people, would probably be easiest.

^

Phedre is excellent at compiling. OOTL sticky threads are always great

@phedre and @phedre are both great at doing write ups. I nominate them to help clear up the boiler plate statement.

I started it because of the harassment r/Drama and other similar subreddits were giving out. I want the admins to take action on that, instead of ignoring reports and sitewide rule violations. I would like the admins to do better effectively.

That's what bardfinn wrote

The central narrative that these jerks like to exploit is a cycle: That they're the Victim, and the Rescuer, and that the targets of their hate are Their Persecutors and the Persecutors of Everyone /r/TheBanout2018 is a troll to take the air out of that narrative, to show that they're just clownshoes and not anyone's Victims, and not anyone's Rescuers, and are actually abusive predators.

We need to compose a boilerplate.

Yes Gabbi. I could possibly get this on NPR if I can weed it into the conversation but I need to know what to say

Then we need the other spokespeople to do the same. Then bring it together so we have a solid statement.

I need to know your thoughts as to why this was started, why we are doing it, and what we hoped to achieve. If it is living up to your expectations or do you desire more. How you feel about the ADMINS, and Reddit as a platform. Is the Alt-Right presence over blown, or worse than people know. Etc etc.

Shane, what do you want our main message to be?

ah

Atlanta

ATL?

Just PM/DM me or Modmal me

And if anyone needs IT work in ATL there is a project starting Oct 1st that a recruiter reached out to me about this morning. You need good CS skills along with IT skills.

That would be good for the optics part of it

And I really want you there too. Even if you don't want to speak

Thank you Shane

Thank you

As do I. I want this to work to our advantage

alright then

I promise Merari will stay on topic/our line of spin.

@Penny (Bardfinn) (/u/bardfinn) had a really good spin just now

Merari has worked hard on all this along with n8

I want Shane involved too. He stated this.

But, we need to settle on a statement.

Back. Merari has my vote. He will stay on topic.

Well I'm already public and long past being doxxed. I've been interviewed a bunch. I dont mind doing whatever

Whats wrong with merari talking?

well yeah written, but if they arent going to be actually speaking to the guy, there no point in event speaking to him in anyway

And if anyone wants to speak through dumbsford I'm.more than happy to do it.

I meant written

well, if hes going to speaking the guy it would likely be over voice, which cant be vetted

Anyway back on topic I’m on board with n8, gabbi, and official tdumbs speaking.

@ShaneH7646 you always vet mearis statements in advance

oh nice. also there's a blueq not too far from me.

Yeah I ordered them the other day then made it an avatar

BlueQ. I have a bunch of them. They’re sassy.

I've worked harder on this initiative than perhaps anyone

lol really, they're socks? where'd you get them? I bet my kids would love socks with little pigs on them.

Oh no shit @phedre! I ordered them.

Random unrelated side note: I have those socks in your image. Just thought it was funny.

I'm going to eat lunch y'all. Been on LinkedIn and FB hooking friends up with IT work in ATL. Taking a break.

yeah, you n8, gabbi are good

You're talking about meari?

sorry, I dont really trust you're going to say what we've come to an agreement on

I defer to Shane and N8. They are the start of this. I can assist, but I leave it up to the Senior Mods who started this movement.

Elaborate pls

Wow Shane

I dont particularly want you speaking

Dumbs and Gabbi are mature, strong and have experience with the press. N8 is knowledgable on this issue and I turn a mean spin. I think we four are qualified

Im gonna operate as cherry, but the dumbsford account is valuable real estate. If we want to speak

oh yeah, I've been yee-hawing across reddit for the past 2 months or so.

That was the cake, this is the icing

N8, you stirred them up with the FWR stuff.

I"ve been getting PMd and userpings nonstop since I posted phase 1.

I woke up to an angry in box. On both accounts. That's success right there

So. Now that we seem on the same page, and not in fear of losing our Modship .. who to be the spokespeople.

Yes

Anything they can do, we can do better, in high heels, at double tempo, and backwards

Serious Humor. The Colbert Show type

:this:

AHS has the focus on hate subreddits being a serious concern. This would be more in the vein of "raising awareness of how society can collectively learn to laugh at these jerks and leave them in their basements"

Serious Humor. Ala The Colbert Show

What even was that event Gabbi? There was some fun fiction on that sub and suddenly it was private

then lets make it seem serious

well, it is/was Serious

yeah, for me it's always just been about making CA/etc look stupid.

see this is what we achieve by making it seem entirely serious lol, phone calls and harrasing PMs

We got them to lose their minds. They went private. They tried to make CA about tables

Eeek

I havent recieved many. but I did get a voicemail this morning from someone in utah, a little concerning

Like a dozen hateful PMs

I had way too many mentally disturbed people sending me stuff during and after the 9M9H9E9 Event

if we're just raising awareness, then I'm not sure we're bringing much to the table that AHS isn't already doing.

I agree with tom

I turned off PM/DMs long, long ago. Along with user name mentions.

I think "mods are ruining reddit" was the third comment ever made on the site, right after "subreddits are ruining reddit" and "comments are ruining reddit". You can't withhold ammo from the ammo factory

it should just be publicity to the issues imo and that can be achieved with a humourous ironic slant

has anyone but me been getting hateful PMs?

more hateful PMs, more divide between mods and users, increased "mods are ruining reddit" stance

I stated this in the morning, before coffee. "BanOut2018 is real in the context that it was something many mods were going to perform. We are tired of Reddit not performing simple request that revolve around our safety and the health of the platform. Many other platforms have already stepped up and started removing toxic individuals, but Reddit has been inconsistent to the point of articles having to expose death threats, threats of rape, threats of swatting, and other acts of extreme violence towards its volunteer community. BanOut2018 is still underway, but it appears due to recent high visibility articles Reddit Admins are now taking our complaints to heart and performing long overdue "house cleaning" to protect their user base, moderators, and revenue stream."

like what do you consider to be "worse"?

or rather, what does that look like

how do you make matters worse, though.

as serious it won't achieve anything but making matters worse

if we spin it as himour, the hate subs take it as such, effectively ending all of this. it needs to faced as serious imo

Good

Spin it as the ADMINS see our Slack rants, Shane created the sub for visibility, and things cascaded. No user bans, but leave it on the table that we are going to be more serious with hate speech users.

I take the banout 100% unseriously

IBiteyou melts down every hour on the hour

Ok, so we do the humour spin

Justify bans that occur as a necessity due to our legitimate concerns over avoiding potential liability from being associated with the reasonably foreseeable speech / behaviour of the jerks

I think it should be more obvious you are BSing tbh, to the extent it's funny. right now it's just making matters faaaaaar worse

Screw the admins. We've already pissed off the shitty users. Ibiteyou melted down yesterday. Let's just keep doing that

right now we're just pretending to be some sort of shadowy group that actually somehow has the ability to ban subreddits. a lot of users are fully aware that we're just BSing, though.

Not user bans

So, we spin it as actually sub banning. What is going on already.

it's not like it was a serious community, all users there knew something like that was going to happen

Hmmm

yeah, it's just thanos memes

that was the entire point of TDNW right

TDNW was random bans, though, and everyone was in on it for the gag. this is kinda different.

the admins won't do shit if we demand things, you're just going to make matters worse and increase the hateful messages we already get

They just did /r/thanosdidnothingwrong, so the rationale that they can't do that kind of thing because of the overhead and work is now off the table

So, not a mass banning, but a slow banning of the worst users?

the admins won't let us hold their website hostage, that much is clear.

Shitheads were taking it seriously yesterday. I was impressed

The reason mass bans piss off the Reddit Admins is because of the computational expense and overhead it places on running Reddit.

What action would that achieve Shane?

Drat

admins made rules so that another blackout couldnt happen

even if we dont end up following through, I think it should be face as if we are going to

But I think that pissed off the Admins last time?

Just reading the conversation before I got vibes maybe it was being taken seriously

we cant

But we could do a BlackOut 2018

Stunt

I hope it's not serious. I hope it's a stunt to raise awareness.

I can't see how a banout in reality will help whatsoever. You'll just get demodded by admins most likely and your actions reversed, and just extend the divide and hatred we already get as mods. I can't see it as a solution unless it's used ironically, and clearly ironically. Having it as an actual plan is fucking stupid for 99% of subreddits. You're going to alienate users on the fence who have maybe gone to argue a bit against regular users in hate subs. I can't tell if all of this is serious at this point but there is no way defaults will take part and I really hope you wouldn't take part with any serious community. Hence me demodding myself once I saw this was maybe going to be an actual thing.

I'm gonna be on npr talking about Reddit. I could possible work this into the conversation

@ShaneH7646 can you close the discord, it is an absolutely terrible idea

hi @phedre

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With promise he gets first scoop

See screenshots above. I have Matt on my LinkedIn and in a holding pattern

to get the admins to actually see it and speak to us/do something

I mean I read something about talking to a journo. What is your goal there?

whatever you're looking to accomplish, you'll want to at least steer the conversation in that direction.

what sort of goal are you hoping to accomplish, as a result of talking to Vice?

how do you mean?

@ShaneH7646 what are you trying to do with the journo? I'm catching up here

I know Shane stated this was serious, and that is what I am deferring to him. I know N8 is the most well spoken here. There are far better writers here to be our face than me.

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I'm just more public/doxxed a bit more

Gabbi is probably most qualified of all of us to wrangle this

See, even he knows

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I thought everyone was already in here. I'm just going to go through the whole list.

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Realisticly we would not have been breaking TOS for a ban out. It is in our rights as volunteer mods to ban someone for any reason. Plus with articles in the public now about what we put up with the press is sympathetic.

If we present this in a realistic way, in that we were starting a movement and the mods went ahead with sub bans we show a human face for everyone involved. If we mention we want tools and have been begging for them.

Merari has some good points too.

worth a shot anyway

This is why they haven't stomped us yet.

This ^

we never had any real power. the admins know this, and that's why they don't care. if defaults start adding saferbot to their subs, then the admins have tools they can use to counter it. they'll either ratelimit saferbot, or just ban it, or actually move forward giving mods the tools we've been asking for. or ignore it entirely, since mods can ban for whatever reason we like.

It's serious, as when Shane started it. But it is also becoming a bit of a troll-circle jerk. The big rudders need to steer it the direction they want. That means Shane, N8, Susie, Saydie, etc. I'm for serious, but circlejerk the other stuff in private for fun.

But if they wanted they could have shut this down already. But haven't

Yeah, they won't approach us in SLACK. Too worried about leaks

just had a mod of a 30k and 10k sub say hes interested. these may be small but they add up

Yes. It's not a lie but it does spin in our advantage

which didnt work too well but some things got done

^This could very easily work as aswell as the blackout

They also see all the shit going on with Alex Jones and such

not even a "hey what's the thought process here? what are you concerns?"?

We did Blackout. They understood

THis ^

just because we hold them to ransom

they can't talk to us directly about banning communities

I think they do. SODY reads our circlejerk

that would be unseemly

if they thought we mattered, why haven't they reached out at all?

I still very highly doubt the admins give a fuck about this sub.

> Reddit Admins are now taking our complaints to heart

Pretty certain I nailed it.

This was my comment in Gen this morning. "BanOut2018 is real in the context that it was something many mods were going to perform. We are tired of Reddit not performing simple request that revolve around our safety and the health of the platform. Many other platforms have already stepped up and started removing toxic individuals, but Reddit has been inconsistent to the point of articles having to expose death threats, threats of rape, threats of swatting, and other acts of extreme violence towards its volunteer community. BanOut2018 is still underway, but it appears due to recent high visibility articles Reddit Admins are now taking our complaints to heart and performing long overdue "house cleaning" to protect their user base, moderators, and revenue stream."

And Matt is on my LinkedIN and waiting patiently. He stated he understands that we want to be anon due to threats.

well, I started it to be serious

I've done interviews in the past.

I know it started as a joke, but now it is serious.

I'm mostly caught up.

GB would be ideal. I know Shane started all this.

That's great news!

gallowboob is also interested in helping with vice

We have a real chance of doing something constructive here

Please read the last few min or so

I'm here

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I don't know how

they need to join this room

@gabbikat

can she get in here?

An experienced world news mod who knows how to handle the press

I dont even know who gabbi is

nope.

Let Gabbi, N8 and me deal with this

thats fine with me

We do know. It will not work. You are attempting to go against human nature, established precedence and most importantly, financial interests

its never been done before, theres no way to know how it will go

It will do the exact opposite of what you want. It will be forever claimed as the time the hatesphere scored a massive victory

It won't work

Why are you being like this?

susan is not all of the default subs

Susan has already vetoed it

They will not

if defaults see this going somewhere they may get on board

Then you accomplish nothing except a win for the haters

I dont care if the admins demod me.

No default sub will allow this. Admins will demod us. Listen to me. A banout will not work. It will be counter productive

if you dont want to do it then dont, noone is forcing you too

That's a medium sized sub

I already have a couple 100k+ subs on board, which is why I'm reconsidering

all in all, the admins probably won't demod us, but none of the subs will allow it. even the subs that were using saferbot were starting to see mods turning against it.

I dont particularly care

You have to be realistic. We can do some real good here. We already have. We have them scared

It won't happen. No large subs will allow it. Admins will demod us

We are on the same page. We need to use this to benefit us and we need to tell the truth

I started it with no political motivations to get the admins to take actions on r/Drama breaking site wide rules and harassing people on a regular basis. I'm still completely okay with doing a mass ban.

until we are all on the same page about what this is, I dont want anyone speaking to him

Or slack

It would be best to get this man in a chat channel like discord so that about three people can play on each others strengths and provide a comprehensive, truthful narrative that aids this iniative

sure, if you oversimplify everything

We are on the same page. All of us want to combat the infestation of bad faith participants on reddit who harass and threaten people

its not an us if we arent on the same page though

but one person responding

multiple interviews can be done later with multiple people

Then you will hurt us

one person to talk now merari

Ideally also not just one person. Two or three

I dont want to spin it, I'm gonna tell him how it is

Not Shane. Sorry, but you won't be able to spin it

cool yea, just like he said everyone is contacting him all over lol

shane this is your deal, I nominate you

which is what I'm trying to do haha

a single spokesperson.. to get on message and arrange interviews if that's what we so choose

we need a spokesperson

well, I started this as completely unpolitical, with r/Drama

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If hatespeech is political then one party is evil and I'm fine with that. We don't have to make it political. If they will then that's out of our hands

they're mostly just calls for violence at this point, but it generally stays in house.

Give them the truth, but while being truthful spin it in a way that's advantageous

hatespeech = making it political

TD stopped actively brigading and harassing like a year ago.

We can definitely make this work. Go out with a bang

And hatespeech

I dont want the admins to ban every right leaning subreddit, I want them to take a stand and help with anti brigading and harassment

We keep it apolitical, frame it as standing up against hate and if people connect dots then so be it

Yes, I agree.

Yes

That could be advantageous in that it doesn't immediately give people a hook for attacking us

if people read alt right, they'll just see it as a political thing and not what it actually is

and it goes along with that endgadget thing

sticking to calling it brigading and harassment is good

i like shane's thing.. if people choose to read between the lines and see it as an altright thing (by looking at the subs banned) then that's up to them

This kind of hate is not bipartisan

again, this isnt a political statement.

They made it political. There are actual neo-Nazis running for GOP office. A GOP politician proudly shouted she'd mace trans women in the bathroom

they are not the same thing... not all racists and transphobics are alt right nazis

Same thing. These are the people who claim we won't allow their political opinion when we say they can't be racist or transphobic

hate, harassment and brigading

not the alt right though, hate

These people claim their hate is just their political opinion

It is political. We're standing up against hate

it was never started to be political

We'll need good co-ordination. Admins are likely mostly through with their ban wave. We're going to fizzle out soon so we need to end it soon anyway, or risk becoming a joke

but making this political is dumb

If we're careful, use the right way of describing this, we can get a major advantage from this thing

Gabbikat

who is gabbi

FPH was banned after public outrage over their doxxing

correction, r/WatchPeopleDie was on the chopping block. the admins definitely intervened after vices article

And co-ordinate it so that us going public to reddit coincides with this article

I propose N8, Gabbi and I talk to this man via a live chat system like slack or discord

We gain nothing by lying to him or telling him it's all a big joke

which subreddits has vice taken down?

In a way that is both truthful and works to our advantage

I can spin this

vice articles have had subreddits taken down in the past

there are hundreds of people willing to step up and do our janitorial work on every single subreddit on this website. the admins don't give a fuck about us, we're super replaceable.

And that's what this is, isn't it? A deliberate effort to take the upper hand back from the alt-right, get them on the defensive, give a morale boost to the good guys by showing them the bad guys aren't in control

anyway I really think this is our shot.. I'm not sure a niche story about us trolling some chuds is going to have much play in 2 weeks.. us fighting the alt-right and trying to get the admins to take action will

but we need to be on the same page about what this is

But we need to be honest

sure, I don't _know_ we didn't. but I don't think that the admins would tolerate us holding their site hostage and would sooner remove us than subreddits that aren't breaking any rules.

We don't need a spokesperson per se. We can all talk to him

Admins will absolutely act in case of a blackout or mass ban

by then its blown over and he may not be interested

n8 like I said you don't know that we didn't have anything to do with the bans.. the admins really hate shutdowns... we are unpaid labour and a general strike is terrible for them

I still think it would be a better idea to wait until we can give a fuller story.

I wont say we did.

Presenting any kind of false narrative is an extremely bad idea

we didn't ban anything, though. the admins did that all on their own, we simply capitalized on the timing.

Then we tell him that

Tell him the literal truth. This is taking the iniative back from the alt right and improving morale for those acting in good faith

I wouldnt be lieing, the original idea was to mass ban, we dont think its feasable but its not completely off the table

We must not lie to this man

in like a week or so. I don't think the admins are going to ban any more subs for a long time.

Guys, media attention in the past has shown it can get admins to act.

that actually sounds like a good idea

I still think it would be funny to create 5 or 6 fake subs, have them all go private and then have the Banout take credit for taking down more subs.

If we stick to the whole truth we'll look much better.

which may or may not have pushed the admins to act more quickly

We have done good

and the sub did create a lot of awareness

And we can tell him taht. And then tell him we realised it wasn't feasable, but we could still use the iniative to do some good

the original idea was to mass ban. it just won't work because most sub teams won't go along with it.

i understand not wanting to lie but I don't think it's even that necessary to do so

the idea was originaly to mass abn though

I thought the idea was originally to mass ban though

Don't tell him things that are not true. We can tell him the idea was never to mass ban, but to create awareness

they arent though, they perfectly happy laughing at us

we don't know we didn't tbh

well, we wont lie about those. if he asks I'll say we didnt actually have anything to do with them

We are doing something. We have the alt right on the defensive. theyre freaking out. Going private

he would probably couch the language though

and if he chooses to draw a concrete correlation between the bans and our activities then he is also a bad journalist for this reason

all the mods that I added to the subreddit today and xmikee are also on board with doing something

I strongly advise against lying to him

exactly

To be honest, I'm still on board for doing this so I wouldnt be lieing

tfw no spinnythonk

also would it really be lies in the first place :thinking_face:

also it's a good story regardless and the truth would come out in the end

being lied to is part of a journalist's life.. if they are presenting what we are saying as gospel truth instead of what we are saying then they are a bad journalist

I'm not a fan of lying to someone who makes his living writing articles. Let's wait until this blows over a bit, and then say that we were just stirring the pot.

>>replies anyway

>please dont responde yet until we are all on the same page

indeed, which is why I think we should speak to him and say we are serious

after this is over and it comes out that we were mostly memeing there will be no interest

suggest striking while the iron is hot

This is legit, we need to all be on the same page before we respond to him further

it has content from 4chan but it's not a mean sub and it doesn't brigade other subs

that's dumb

you guys really think r/4chan should be banned

And riemann behind the scenes

pretty sure its just jerry right?

Well, we have drama mods on board with us who think this whole thing is just hilarious. They like to troll their own usebase just as much as they like to troll everyone else. They're very 14

in fact, it was the firstone on the list

its on the list for the same reason r/The_Donald is

r/Drama isnt on the list for the same reason r/4Chan is

Insinuating that these "researchers" are not nutjobs

>The Great Awakening subreddit served as an informal platform for followers of the Q Anon movement, as well as for other independent researchers.

The language used here is hilarious

If anyone at any time wants a sub they mod or have affinity with taken off, no problem

We also have drama people on board

It is a personal reason. 4chan is on the list for the same reason drama is, to make the troll sphere extremely confused

4chan is on the list and isn't a hate sub plus 3 of us mod there

That seems like a pretty personal reason

Who put LSC on the list? I very much do not want them on there. Not after the lengths I had to go through to get them to unban Belle.

He was

I don't see ghostise in there

If ghostise still needs in tomorrow when I'm on a pc I'll add him. If I can. I haven't so much as looked at that channel yet

Uh

Shrug emoji

Who is running it

I don't do discord

As a discord mod

@phedre or @Merari can you add ghostise

Yep

Topminds is pretty bad with brigading

A thought just struck me. With the recent banwaves, how worried should we be about subs like fuckthealtright and topminds?

mostly for memeing it seems

discord is public

how many discussion places do we need?

Discord? Whats the point when we have this to communicate and modmail

wtf mod me

I'm half tempted to join back into all of this on an alt :thinking_face:

Another one bites the dust

Please ping me to be modded on the discord

Ice poseidon I believe is a troll effort. They're trying to get us to put that on the list so they can go "haha" at us. I checked out the sub. It doesn't look all that bad to me. The sheer volume of people contacting us about it is immediately suspicious

it's working:

i'm not worried, they've been trying for a while.

I saw that dox thing too.

Yeah he is a shitty person from what i gather and has sent his followers to attack people etc. But im OOTL

was ice_posideon ever on the sidebar? I have a bunch of people PMing me for some reason.

PHASE 3 IS LIVE

these threads won't have any useful discussion at all. even the way it was it was a trainwreck of removed comments. at least this way there's a) something funny to look at and b) other people will see that they need to comment a specific phrase.

@phedre maybe just have it pm

I'm just undecided if it's better to put them under the sword of damocles and have them sweat it out for a month, or make them panic by saying Phase 3 is starting

sure

also what do you guys think about putting GA under phase 3 and say that we're moving forward sooner than anticipated?

@Siouxsie Sioux way ahead of you

thanks man. if you come up with a better thing to have it say than "I fully support banout 2018" let me know, I just kinda threw that in on the fly, but it seems to work ok.

okay

@phedre

if their comments/links are just going to get removed manually anyway, what's the difference?

@ShaneH7646 seriously, you've been removing comments all day. let me just set up some stuff with automod so you can focus on something else. we can make the comment do something different but all they're doing is shitting up the sub. the comments will still be there under the /comments tab for documentation anyway.

who removed /r/pewdiepie anyway

if they dont stop sending me ice poseiden stuff

Oh ok

@Siouxsie Sioux oh, ok. I'd forgotton that I was looking for a source. someone also posted it here:

@phedre 4chan mod server

Sounds good, Jackson

I have a rl obligation this evening and won't be on reddit for a few hours starting 20 minutes from now

@ShaneH7646 Trust @phedre He has experience with the reddit troll sphere and knows how to handle them

siouxs, where'd you find that? I'm making bookmarks of banout related stuff

here's a small scale version of the exact same thing all over again:

wtf

tfw they didnt give me a red line

yeah, that comic is pretty good, i've had it bookmarked for a while.

At the end of your post

I thought it was pretty funny tbh

That tl;dr meme is golden. Perfectly explains it

I still don’t get why people were so set off by your comment on NTO @phedre

the takeaway is that they suddenly started caring about racism against white people, which is practically non-existant, but never said jack shit about racism against any minorities.

I don't want you to get put on blast bcs of it. But I doubt the journalists can't see past "mayo racism" being purposeful trolling. The audiences won't. That's for sure.

reddit's hand isn't going to be forced.

I haven't checked man. If you are happy to see this go public I can do.

hey all-- since you’re looking at trying to force reddit’s hand with this kind of thing, figured I’d go ahead and bring this up 10thTARDIS and I are starting a site, where we plan to organize some of the more serious mod things that we want to happen- first and foremost, harassment. If this seems interesting, lmk

plus "tag white people with a jar of mayo icon"? anyone with a sense of humor saw right through what I was doing.

racist against people who don't ever actually have to deal with racism maybe.

And if you go to them saying you trolled them, it sounds like you were asking for it

The response was over the top but not completely unexpected

The problem with that is that you came off as genuinely racist.

did you ever try to see if anyone was interested in the writeup about racism on my profile? I might reach out to a few outlets on my own.

I am not sending this or contacting any media though. You guys can ping me when you're ready / if you want to.

I have not looked into it at all. Just realising it today at this instant. But I have contacts with Engadet / Vice / a few smaller outlets and local news in the US in a few areas. They can definitely find interest in this if we draft a simple tl;dr along the "We attempted to troll the toxic reddit subs and threaten to filter them out and this was the response to culling the hateful communities / censoring / banning / (whatever wording you want to use)"

let me do my thing and then there will still be a slew of stuff to document to send to the media.

the writeup for this will be comparable to the racism thing I have on my profile. possibly on an even bigger scale.

Not sure yet, but it's a better idea than just baiting them for no reason

is it simply going to be "look how some subreddits brigade" because I don't think this is going to be news to anyone.

has anyone expressed interest?

and which media outlets are you going to?

so what are you going to document exactly?

But yeah 10/10 can't bait people purposely then ticket it to admins. Just fuck admins for this.

Admins don't give a fuck, the doccumentation isn't for them

Every outlet would eat it up.

it's the same response when we spam someone in modmail, then they spam us back and we go crying to the admins. they tell us to stfu because the mods started it.

Of how you can play with toxic reddit.

^

Documentation for media not admins. imo

"hey admins, we set up a bait sub and they brigaded us!" admins: "so the fuck what, it's a bait sub."

> inbox is blowing up with nonsense and death threats. I know you don't care and actually laugh it out, which i respect since you're anon and would dp the same in your shoes, but stay safe ffs.

it's not good documentation, though. the whole point is that this is a bait sub, the admins aren't stupid.

the brigading won't continue indefinitely, and you're just giving yourself extra work and my inbox is blowing up with nonsense and death threats.

Would definitely cool off 90% of the aggro since all they look at is the mod list.

Even if my vote is moot, I like Nate's approach and if it's putting too much pressure on you as top mod, get back in on the lower list.

also you asked me to keep the Thanksgiving date, so I came up with a fake date of halloween and made it look like that was our original banout date.

I want the brigading to continue, it's good doccumentation

I vote n8 for top mod

the admins aren't going to ban any more subs for probably a long time. we want things to go quiet for a little bit anyway.

for right now, that's the whole point. it was to keep people from shitting all over the sub while we came up with the next thing to do. we can't keep manually removing comments when we're being brigaded by 20 other subreddits.

Removing there comments bait people into commenting, but noone sees anything. Eventually people will just stop commenting if everything just gets removed

made this channel *private*. Now, it can only be viewed or joined by invitation.

Make this channel private unless you don't care for leaks.

> the salt that we're generating could power a nuclear reactor at this point. LOL

i take it back

oh lmao its on there <3

and stop befriending the toxic kids

you heathen

add r/drama

Bait the fuck out of these toxic users and keep them occupied

Fair enough

nah, I'm not interested in getting admins involved in a mess that I created.

I aint touching this though

Please do. They catch them coming from discords etc

The brigade is REAL yo. Did anyone ticket the brigade?

If reddit burns, all the better.

I wont take part in this for obvious reasons but snoo speed y'all

lmao holy shit

if you're not comfortable with all this then how about just making me the top mod and stepping down? the salt that we're generating could power a nuclear reactor at this point. we singlehandedly turned /r/cringeanarchy into a table and chair subreddit for a day. a mod of SPS wrote a treatise. we capitalized on a coincidence and all the altright subs now are running scared. at least give me creative control here please.

you know this subreddit didn't have _anything_ to do with the other subs getting banned, right? the admins don't give a flying fuck about us.

can you at least let me run this show please?

the whole point is to bait people. why are you spending your time removing comments that you don't like? just automate them away and force them to say something funny.

I liked the auto mod rule

we're just messing with them at this point. the admins aren't going to do shit, and no one is going to add saferbot to all those subreddits.

@ShaneH7646 what the hell man? I thought you were going to let us run this and step away?

without the automod rule they just shit up the entire subreddit. so what if more people comment?

Trying to explain to the clueless that FWR is NOT racist

Can i get a little help in r/banned pls? Im being downvoted to hell and having to set a timer to reply to these people lmfao.

Theres no point in hiding the ‘message the mod’ tab because they will just untick ‘use subreddit theme’ and continue messaging. Its what they do when you hide dv butt on set css to subscribe before voting.

Because it only Bates more people into commenting

The least you could do is leave that in to keep my inbox from filling with crap.

It was keeping the garbage out of the sub, why would you remove that?

@ShaneH7646 why did you remove the automod rule?

I can remove mail perms if you want

I don't know css well enough to hide it. Just stall or troll them or something

Again with the modmail.

@phedre They're trolling mod mail now they can't troll the sub. Is there any way at all you can slow down that process? Would it be against reddit rules to hide the link to modmail with CSS or require people who modmail to be approved contributers?

Invite sent

*not knowing what’s happening.

Can i have back in? Sorry about yesterday. I was just frustrated with what’s happening

Jesus that’s sad lol they’re really upset

@Merari the sub isn't restricted anymore, only self posts allowed, all titles must be "I fully support banout 2018". Automod will remove everything else unless you're a mod.

goddamn this is funny

Anyone up?

Thank you, updated

just looking at the sidebar.. under phase two itsokaytobewhite is listed twice, and /r/hundredrupeememe, /r/HundredPesoPipedream are now banned

Wowzers they’re downvoting that like hell

I'll create some title requirements later

Go for it if you want

Tempted to appove this clever boi. Thoughts?

>some of the "hate subs" you have listed are modded by your mods...

Turned the sub to restricted. We're under brigade and there we're over half a dozen troll posts

N8 you’re hilarious

Lol

yup, the config shoudl work now

I think I got it now

It's still removing my comment

reapprove it and remove automod's

ok :slightly_smiling_face:

i have to leave, i'll catch you later

Ah ok automod just removed my comment

just go to the automod config and put a hash mark (#) in front of the spot about mods

Mods should be able to comment though. For now this is great. Tomorrow when I have some time to babysit the sub we could (temporarily) disable this

dw about it then

I don't know what that means

if you want mods to comment, just comment out that one line about moderators_exempt

I just tweaked it. You can now only comment "I fully support banout 2018" without any extra shit so they can't sneak in slurs or whatever.

@phedre You're a genius

>Your comment was removed because it didn't include the phrase 'I fully support banout 2018'

lol

also I just solved our commenting problem

@phedre thanks man

@jerryfromtomandjerry millionshekelextreme is gone from the sidebar

Shame

CA won't go either

I think this is it

naw it won't

Hope td goes

Wowzers

not sure tbh... they are still banning subs as we speak... they playing a lot of whackamole

How many subs were banned last night?

it got caught in the ban wave presumably because the top mod decided to meme too hard yesterday and the madmins thought it was being made into a replacement sub

turle, cherry, and quietus were all mods

can someone with perms please take millionshekelextreme out of the sidebar.. it was not a hate sub.. it was started by my jewish friends to shit on MDE and we used to ban anyone from there

:sunglasses:

he also gave them back to the people above me.

Because we need people with access perms to deal with the trolls

I've given them back to everyone below me

He only removed the perms once

Until the head mod has a strop again and removes them

everyone got their perms back, do you want an invite?

Ah i removed myself from that list as im fed up with the top mod messing around with perms, making it public / private etc. Its not how you run a sub its very annoying

Not banning them would be immediately suspicious. Better to ban most but let the occasional comment through to confuse the fuck out of them

they probably expect it

idk, I didn't see anyone in modmail about the ban.

Oof banned duk

Ok

Are we also banning everyone

yeah, I think you're going a bit hard on the comment removals

Why are you guys removing all the comments

we're getting so many suggestions for the sidebar that we may need to add a 4th phase to accomodate them all

Awesome :slightly_smiling_face:

I added /r/subofpeace because t hey're freaking out about MDE right now and I got userpinged

Sidebar really looks fantastic now. They're going to freak

Same idea as adding CA to the list, but having a CA mod on the team.

ok

He probably is. But allowing that will confuse the hell out of these people. "Why is this allowed, but not that?"

just seemed like the guy was trying to advertise another "uncensored" sub, but I wasn't sure

Oh that. Harmless bit of jiggerypokery. Confuse, divide and conquer

What truespeech comments?

Onionhate. Has hate right in the name

? Example?

@Merari what's up with the "/r/truespeech" comments?

very nice. added

literally personally got debatechadright banned too :triumph: ... those that can't create destroy

lmao

check the sidebar now

I can make an update to my post in a few

it's in the sidebar.. do we wanna call that phase two or lump it with phase 1

chadright banned

have we discussing adding greatawakening?? I mean it's not quite like the other hate subs but i personally feel it is the most dangerous in the short term

all I could figure is that they are from MDE and went through our list

anyone else get one of these?

sounds fun

ah ok

We're telling the neo-Nazis we're going to mass ban them but it's a bit of a joke on them in order to get them to lose their minds

ok what’s the story here now

We're just telling people that so they have something to freak out over

@phedre I wouldnt push it back a month just yet.

why would it?

I hope that banout thread doesn't get me suspended

Good plan

Plan: gain a following, come up with an actual plan later

It's been added

Done

Post a link (with an alt) here:

Woo!

lol the announcement already took a downvote

Who wants to post that link to the circlebroke2 thread?

the sub is public now. @Merari @ShaneH7646 you may wish to restrict submissions, or you may wish to just let people act like asses. I have to leave the computer, but I'll check back in in like an hour or so

It pretty sure it was go private or get banned

I changed /r/drama to "in progress"

i think

currently anyway

they are a private sub

@phedre include r/drama in phase 1

or is there some other plan

gloat?

so what is the sub going to do

but people are looking at my account right now, so it'll be an easy attractor

It'll be a quick type up, I should have left here like 10 min ago

Tell people to report any spin offs that pop up

roger that moving now

You've both got perms to do so

I think there were a few people who were only there for the modmails, though. I kinda wish anyone who didn't want to be associated with the sub would step down so we can avoid that issue.

@Merari I have to leave in a minute. do you want to take the sub public and do an "announcement"?

hey now

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