i'm trying to pack for my east coast trip next week, but i'm sort of zoning out too.
17:36
one thing that's embarrassingly clear is i need more tee shirts. the last time i did any real buying of tee shirts was 2012, and, well, there's holes in a bunch of my favorites now.
17:38
after tomorrow and tuesday, that's it with $current_employer. hand in my badge and outta there.
BT
17:38
Birthday This Sunday!
holy damn
17:38
why is this so active today
D?
17:38
Daze 🇿🇦
Almost reaching le destination
T
17:38
That_One_Wofie
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Minecraft gone wrong.
T
17:38
Tamino
because we have active cultures! lactobacillus furrydophilus, to be specific.
There's a game like this for Oculus Rift where you try to not speak for the longest period of time. If you speak you're out.
T
18:11
Tamino
can you woof?
18:11
or meow?
18:13
kidding aside, the canine part of me likes the idea a lot of being able to go fully into the part of me that doesn't know how to make english sentences, and for some sort of gamification thing to reinforce that state for longer and longer periods.
TL
18:24
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
We are coming back on the 24th for whale watching w @callistasky
19:06
And probably the aquarium of too because i can come up the night before and get a hotel room and relax a little bit more than just the quick trip today I haven’t decided for sure though yet
T
19:07
Tufts
Ah
19:07
I was wondering if it was santa cruz
19:08
trying to get people to come over
19:08
Deleted Account
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19:08
Sorry Auntie Reason has Oreos
19:09
Li
R
19:09
Reason the LA Quail
Lmao
19:09
A lot less Oreos now
T
19:09
That_One_Wofie
I wanna smash my tablet.
R
19:09
Reason the LA Quail
Good too because I don’t need to be eating them
19:10
Deleted Account
But we would love to go to Santa Cruz sometime
19:10
We love all beaches
TL
19:10
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
really i'm lousy at singing, i just love doing it. i can only do it if it's an environment where the point is to have a good time, not an environment where the point is to sound professional.
D?
22:20
Daze 🇿🇦
It's nothing tho. I just stick to practicing unclean vocals (death metal growls and screams and whatnot) coz I'm not that good of a singer :p
T
22:22
Tamino
i learned three chords on the guitar so that i could play chords to bob dylan songs in the hopes that i could get furs together to sing bob dylan songs with me. or if not bob dylan songs then whatever. i just mean, like, singing-as-warm-cuddly-bonding-activity.
22:23
but so far i haven't had a lot of success with the "get furs together" bit.
Mɹ
22:24
Majik ɹɐǝq
A lot of furries have social anxiety so it's hard to get them to gather unless you're particularly charismatic or there's an activity they can participate in and the get together has a defined start and end time.
D?
22:24
Daze 🇿🇦
Not familiar with Bob Dylan's work, but that sounds interesting! I have an acoustic and I usually do the same with Jimmy Eat World songs, so my guess is just keep trying
T
22:24
That_One_Wofie
Ahhhh before bed we should all do more like activities together as a community. Such as hiking and etc.
D?
22:25
Daze 🇿🇦
At this time of the year, I think I'd rather just go to the beach...or better yet, California's Great America
22:26
Hiking is more of something I like doing in the fall, coz the weather is more fair imo
T
22:26
Tamino
do you have an example of a Jimmy Eat World song that is particularly singable-as-group-bonding?
T
22:26
That_One_Wofie
Ahhhh take it show though. Because we furries do not want yo
Pretty much all of there stuff is sing-a-long eligible. One good example would be their song The Middle, which has a pretty uplifting vibe to it. I could make other suggestions coz there's quite a lot that I know of :3
Mɹ
22:28
Majik ɹɐǝq
Amusement parks don't do anything for me because the mental mechanism that causes people to feel elated on rides doesn't work for me.
T
22:28
That_One_Wofie
But wouldn't you want to do it as a community?
Mɹ
22:28
Majik ɹɐǝq
I just sit on a roller coaster and go "huh, I'm going around in a circle really fast."
and his "a hard rain's a gonna fall" is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExDdkM40S58 — both are good for singalongs because the basic tune is something you can memorize and then you just keep singing the same thing verse after verse.
22:36
i would find it hard to memorize "the world you love" well enough to sing it, unless you printed up sheet music beforehand.
D?
22:42
Daze 🇿🇦
It's ok. I usually sing it when I'm in a quiet place, like in my room with the lights off and my guitar by my side. But I've heard it enough to remember most of the lyrics
It would be great if all of us were just sitting around a fire somewhere in the woods, and we all just sing along to whatever whilst one of us plays the song on a guitar.
Kit Killovarras invited Kit Killovarras
T
23:06
Tamino
welcome kit!
23:07
and yeah. i like that idea daze.
KK
23:07
Kit Killovarras
*pokes his head out of azzies pocket*
23:07
Hello
D?
23:07
Daze 🇿🇦
I remember I did that once with some old buddies from school years ago. It was a great experience
T
23:07
Tamino
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I don't think that sounds right but I don't know enough about germs to dispute it.
T
23:20
Tamino
the russian side of my family had a folk song about "drinking doesn't give you a headache; it's *not* drinking that gives you a headache! let's let our family draw closer together."
lol! It would look adorkable, but that's probably just me. I am a product of an age when neon and pastel clothing was cool and dark colors meant you were a rebel.
AN
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17:26
Kit Killovarras
yup.
KZ
17:28
Kes Zerda
* sends DazieDaze to spaaaaaaaaaace!*
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17:29
That's....doable in more than one way
AN
17:33
Azurus Nova
*gets the feeling that hanging a casual sex partner out here seems to be a fleeting dream as everyone that's worth it is already taken, and the ones you wouldn't stick your dick into or vice versa is mentally bent in one way or another*
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17:34
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
Hi guys
D?
17:34
Daze 🇿🇦
And I'm back to drawing >>>
TL
17:34
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
Well people don't share that info (understandably), and trying to figure that out for yourself, you would have a better chance opening Pandora's box and finding the holy grail in there.
17:39
And with how posh and prudish a lot of bay furs come off as (The unwelcoming nature of chicken is a prime example), going about that process feels like a waste of time that could be better spent elsewhere.
TL
17:39
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
Like if your looking for non straight sex the pool cuts in half. Parties of sex 1/3 again. Those without hangups 10% of the new pool. Those in the furry fandom remaining 5% of that pool. Those remaining not in committed relationships, .0000002 of the pool remaining.
17:40
Pfft... In mn you state sexual preference,your hardware, and how many at once.
Frolic gives me a fucking anxiety attack. Not to mention if I'm going out there, I'd want a few drinks, but I'd be driving myself.
TL
17:43
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
That is saying I want a self driving car under $25k bug free and fully financed regardless of credit. Sure it might happen but not in this society.
T
17:44
Tamino
what i remember from 20 years ago is more like:
step 1: you're welcomed into the furry community with open arms step 2: you spend enough time around the community, you naturally find friends step 3: you spend enough time around friends, you naturally find people you're kink-compatible with step 4: you spend enough time around people you're kink-compatible with, you naturally find a mate or mates
TL
17:44
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
i do too. i just also think if you see something that's messed up, there's plenty of things you can do to change things so they're less messed up for the generation that comes after you.
When people get worked up on a topic and they are making a cycle of anger a common deescalation technique is to change the topic to something that isn’t as frustrating
TL
18:10
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
i would love to be in a relationship with someone who is righteously pissed off about things and who is willing to work with me to work our collective butts off and sacrifice HARD to change things. i'd rather be mated to someone angry than someone complacent.
TL
18:12
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
Yeah it’s important not to have a yes man. Someone who agrees with everything you say. I want a mate who can call me out on stuff but still love me for that
KK
18:13
Kit Killovarras
o.O umm, I've kinda learned from experience that trying a very sudden change of subject can also lead to people getting sucker punched too. it's the same as saying "Well, your issue doesn't really matter" to some people.
Hm. That wasn’t intended. If he had stayed around or talked to us about it, it would have been clear that discussing that topic wasn’t going to make him feel better. He got worked up super fast. Plus, minors.
It’s also important not to think that everything is about you. It’s not that it doesn’t matter at all. It’s just there isn’t much to do about it and this is a chat and we should make a topic most people can talk about freely
KK
18:15
Kit Killovarras
I can understand the minors part. Next time though, try a different approach maybe? A sudden subject change is a bad tactic for dealing with people who are prone to getting upset easilly.
Sadly, as with most things, people can't be responsible for how others take something. That's not to say that one eschews all responsibility for being cordial to others and ensuring that they're well understood, but there are limits and you can't be responsible for all of the ways one can interpret a conversation.
KZ
18:17
Kes Zerda
QuigreSpool: occasionally getting out of the land of eternal softness and hugs helps keep things fluffy
M
18:17
Michichael
Like I said, Azurus probably just needs a bit of space to process things. :)
18:17
Anyway, I've got work shit to deal with
18:17
Play nice kids
R
18:17
Reason the LA Quail
*plays and cheats*
TL
18:18
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
If I'm not kept in check occasionally I tend to have a steamroller method of arguing. She's enough to shut that down lol
KK
18:19
Kit Killovarras
No, but you can try to learn from situations where things went badly and shift your approach the next time. Part of socializing is learning how to read people and situations and adjust as needed to at least some degree.
o.O that's not changing yourself, that's respecting others. Please learn the difference because confusion in that issue is what leads to the social situations we have currently.
K
18:20
Keilani
Let me just say, I don't believe the whole open furry fandom myth. People have always been and will always be cliquey, it's about how the individual handles their interactions.
TL
18:21
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18:22
Kit Killovarras
Actually? It's what used to keep me from violence. It's not the best way to do it, but the choice to walk away before you go too far is smarter than most people think.
3 years ago I wouldn't even have joined a group with this many people in it.
R
18:26
Reason the LA Quail
I use my social skills to help others step forward. I take a shy person under my wing and introduce them to a group and make them be included until they feel comfortable
K
18:26
Keilani
For the smol kiddos here don't pull a cop out and go Greek. It's not a shortcut to friends.
T
18:26
Tamino
if there's ways of making things easy and comfy and safe, like open snuggle piles and warm welcoming furmeets... why not do those things? i mean, there's no harm in things being easy.
the change I made 3 years ago was starting my youtube channel and kinda... forcing myself into the public eye in some situations. To grow a channel you have to be more social, social media is a must and dealing with people you dont always agree with is a daily issue.
K
18:30
Keilani
One of the things uni did to me was forcing me to go to mandated social events
R
18:30
Reason the LA Quail
The internet is good for disagreements *eyes @Michichael and his trolling of the trolls*
I didn't want to go out, my pledgemaster didn't give a fuck. So I just got used to jt
M
18:33
Michichael
Now it seems like the 3/4 is very cliquish. One of the reasons I started this channel was explicitly to get away from that cliquish "you aren't one of us so fuck off" attitudes I found in others.
18:34
Anyone and everyone is welcome here - welcome to socialize, make mistakes, learn from those mistakes, get upset - or upset others - with those mistakes, etc. The only thing that isn't permitted here is straight up antagonistic behavior and harassment, spam, etc.
TL
18:34
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
Why is the channel not called anti-chicken.
R
18:34
Reason the LA Quail
That and there was a lot of shouting down people who disagreed with each other
Yeah, not a fan of that. Everyone can say their peace. Hell, a literal nazi could come in here and spout racist bullshit, and I'd expect people to be civil to them and change their mind the good 'ol fashioned way, not shout them down.
TL
18:35
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
Now days the whole Open Furry thing is.... actually dying. When I first joined the fandom, it was when it was still not OK to be gay and yet, I was welcomed with open arms for the fact that I was. socially I was an outcast in every other group, no matter where, almost all of my friends were either furry, or fascinated by the fact that I was one.
M
18:35
Michichael
Don't make me get the hose.
TL
18:36
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
I’m glad I grew up in a community that accepted others. I was called gay in middle school but that wasn’t accepted in high school
18:37
Homophobia sucks
KK
18:37
Kit Killovarras
Now days, if I was openly who I really am with MOST of the furry community, I'd likely be labeled a nazi (for my political views, not surprising), misogynist for how I was raised or one of a dozen other hateful labels wether accurate or not. XD
that may be true, but a stopped clock is right a few times a day and i think 2's been right a few times lately.
M
18:40
Michichael
Reason: Nope, actually a thing. Basically it's SJW/PC Culture gone haywire with plenty of gatekeeping and if you're not in one of their narrow identity politic groups, you're an "alt furry" and therefor a nazi.
I’m just making vagina jokes... cause mine is out of commission and bleeding for another day
N?
18:41
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
.. And 2 can really just get his wings clipped and tossed over a cliff at this point.
M
18:41
Michichael
Hai Nex. And Kes originally, maybe, but much like AntiFa and other SJW things, normal people have been lumped so much into it that it's lost all meaning.
R
18:41
Reason the LA Quail
Wow. I’ve never run into 2 lol he certainly isn’t well liked
2 has basically told someone to kill themselves instead of begging for attention, supports the nazifur moavement, and misgenders people because teh lawls.
KZ
18:42
Kes Zerda
2's schtick is that he's "edgy" and telling the same shitty jokes he's told for the past 15 years.
M
18:42
Michichael
I personally don't mind it because I don't take much of what he says to heart, and I've hung out with the guy. He's like Alex jones: intentionally offensive and over the top
K
18:42
Keilani
Vaginas? Female furries?
R
18:42
Reason the LA Quail
I’m a socially liberal person but not a stickler for hyper specifity.
N?
18:42
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
And at this point he’s scrabbling for any sort of relevance her can attain.
i really don't want to listen to a ranting gryphon. i just... really don't. but if someone says something that makes sense (which 2 has done a few times lately), i don't want to reject it JUST because of who said it.
N?
18:44
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
I’m just over here sketching some of those, though.
"Just treat people like a decent person.. for fucks sake."
N?
18:44
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
He as in Two?
M
18:44
Michichael
I mean it's easy not to hear something when you discount everything from a source simply because you dislike the source.
18:44
Yes.
N?
18:45
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
I mean.. it’s easy to say.. but when you have a history of tellin people to kill themselves it kind of loses meaning, don’t you think?
M
18:45
Michichael
That's what I was commenting on this entire thread about. One of his recent videos was actually pretty somber and serious for a change, and he highlighted much of what we're talking about right now in the chat, with some good and bad points.
T
18:45
Tamino
we're living in this weird world lately where up is down and left is right. who can say, these days.
KK
18:45
Kit Killovarras
Hey Kes. Serious question: If you wound up face to face with a member of the Furry Raiders, what would you do?
KZ
18:45
Kes Zerda
Michichael: The problem is that the vast majority of what he says is complete unadulterated bullshit.
Eh. I tell peruvians to kill themselves all the time, but that's just 'cause they're fucking up my dota game and I don't actually have malice towards them. Words only abscribe as much weight to them as you let them.
oh. that was directed at kes — sorry. but my answer still stands.
KK
18:46
Kit Killovarras
lol
18:46
salright
M
18:46
Michichael
And yeah, you can take issue with someone's actions without wholesale discounting EVERYTHING they say.
18:46
As Tamino said: a broke clock is right twice a day
18:46
We don't discount modern medicine because its origin is unethical expirementation by the third reich
KZ
18:47
Kes Zerda
KitKillovarras: depends on the sort of the situation. The furry raiders and that general circle have fucked up multiple cons now because of the shit they pull.
M
18:47
Michichael
All ideas should be examined for validity and not merely, as @callistasky said earlier, shouted down.
18:47
And yeah, scumbag behavior like that certainly shouldn't be tolerated. There are limits to reasonable tolerance. It's just not a clear cut example of "this is always acceptable" and "this is never acceptable."
KZ
18:47
Kes Zerda
Michichael: the people who did those experiments still did the gallows dance though.
N?
18:47
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
You know... in the end it won’t really matter, we all have our opinions and are thinking the other peoples is a gullible fool... so really..
So have a lot of other groups throughout my time as a furry. I consider that irrelevant since: there are extremists in every social group.
M
18:48
Michichael
@Nextstepbadger Ah but the best ideas come from the clash and discussion of opposing ideals.
N?
18:48
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
Also.. let’s not forget Two has made.. three apology videos?
18:48
Two?
18:48
Just saying.
M
18:48
Michichael
I don't blame all babyfurs because a few got high on bath salts and ran around BLFC's halways tripping their balls off. :P
N?
18:48
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
The best -can- come of it... most of the time argument just boils down to whining, racial slurs and threats of violence anymore.. haha
18:49
but, in my opinion...
M
18:49
Michichael
And yeah, some groups *are* pieces of shit, without a doubt, but you can't associate everyone with a group simply because you dislike what their views are.
You can't just shout those people down, though. That's not how you change their views.
KK
18:50
Kit Killovarras
*hugs Tamino*
T
18:50
Tamino
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18:50
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
You aren’t going to change people like that, though.
T
18:50
Tamino
arf. :-)
N?
18:50
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
Not with that mind set.
KK
18:50
Kit Killovarras
n.n Figured I'd hug you for your answer. =P
M
18:51
Michichael
Just because you hang out with a racist doesn't mean you endorse their racism. Freedom of association isn't just a political freedom, it's the only way ideologies can truly evolve
I would be because in my personal experience with Family and friends, those ideologies have torn any bonds I had to shreds... despite me present views.
KZ
18:51
Kes Zerda
I've seen too much shit caused by racism, I've seen too many friends hurt by that shit to just tacitly stand by and not let that shit go unchallenged.
M
18:51
Michichael
By no means should you tolerate racist actions, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. Again, morally gray.
Combating racism is next to impossible, you know that right.
N?
18:52
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
And if you think so.. then maybe are a gullible fool.
18:52
I mean that in the most polite terms, of course...
KZ
18:53
Kes Zerda
If you want to see what racism brings, head out to Manzanar. It's stark, it's somber, and it's the exact sort of shit that just standing by brings about.
N?
18:53
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
Not too much weight there, just a nudge, after all.
M
18:53
Michichael
Yeah, but there's a very large difference between people in a position of power being racist and using that power to oppress a race, and someone saying "You know what, I don't trust $race" but not taking actions other than avoiding them.
18:53
You can change the latter
18:53
you can't change the former.
N?
18:53
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
you would you can... and it’s an admirable trait.
M
18:53
Michichael
Isolating the latter won't help change their opinion.
Yes, but not if your immediate reaction is to always isolate and shout them down, that just forces them to seek out other like-minded and often more racist folks. :P
I've got more people who were truly racist to see how messed up they were with words than I have with hate or violence. n.n
M
18:55
Michichael
I mean when I hung out with 2, he's not racist. He says racist shit to get a laugh and be a provocateur, but he's hardly racist. He doesn't take actively racist actions that I ever saw.
R
18:55
Reason the LA Quail
Violence or anger rarely changes someone’s opinion. Shouting at them isn’t going to do it, but getting to know why they believe what they do and then see their mindset then you can use it later to help them see things differently
KZ
18:55
Kes Zerda
Michichael: it depends. If they are showing willingness to change, then yes, help support them. But if they're going around saying, "look at this cool ss uniform I bought." then you should probably re-evaluate what sort of friendship you have with the person.
N?
18:56
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
I grew up in a house where nigger was a noun and being liberal was as good as gay..haha... so the subject really tenses me up.
Kes And that's something I simply disagree with. You can't ever know anyone else as much as you know yourself, but isolating someone because you disagree with their views can only end poorly - best case they're isolated and never change them because they aren't exposed to opposing views, worst case they seek validation from others with similar or worse views
18:56
And that's how you get anti-fa or the KKK or BLM
18:57
any extreme is bad
18:57
and extremism is most prevalant in a vacuum of opposing ideals.
R
18:57
Reason the LA Quail
But when they got to know me and then I was able to share experiences I had then they saw their small world was just one section and liberals aren’t all bad
KZ
18:57
Kes Zerda
michi, equating kkk with blm is just plain idiocy.
N?
18:57
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
and it’s a good thing to try and change people.
18:57
But at what point do you give up?
M
18:57
Michichael
I didn't equate them, I noted that they're extremists
KK
18:57
Kit Killovarras
wow. wait. is that really continuing to repost itself?
But without getting sidetracked, @Nextstepbadger , that's on each individual person.
R
18:58
Reason the LA Quail
And really, there are tons of people that share my same views that I don’t associate with
KK
18:58
Kit Killovarras
Nope. Apparently not. Damn comp version of telegram
M
18:58
Michichael
Mine was just being wonky too Kit
T
18:58
Tamino
i disagree with the "if someone collects SS uniforms you should re-evaluate your friendship with them" bit, too, but for different reasons. i think it's important to distinguish the map from the territory. collecting SS uniforms doesn't make someone a bad person. who knows, maybe that's how some individual person processes the strong feelings. you can't jump straight from there to "agrees with nazism".
M
18:58
Michichael
had to restart it, wouldn't let me send
18:59
Like all things, you should evaluate your desire to associate with someone on their direct actions instead of classifying them as a group. Subconcious bias cuts both ways.
R
18:59
Reason the LA Quail
So find people that are friend material not in their political or morals but in who they are. If you disagree on something then you work from there in the basis of the friendship
This. There was a *huge* misunderstanding with BeetleCat because they got a photo taken with their suits at a WW2 meusuem and it looked like somsone's bedroom
18:59
And everyone instantly jumped on the "these guys are nazis!" bandwagon of SJW bullshit
But knowing someone for a long while... then showing them an alternative view... that’s possible. But it takes commitment and time
KK
19:01
Kit Killovarras
oh god, dipshit press. You know, I have to go into incog mode to view their stuff ever since I stated that they were about as credible a source of information as keemstar.
N?
19:01
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
I think a bit part of the problem is there are people in power giving such a basis of credibility to their opinions and views...
19:01
It’s hard to counteract that.
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19:01
Michichael
All I want, and to return to @Kitthesoulless and other's original statments, is a return to open furry where you can be yourself and while others may not like it, they won't ostracize you instantly for disagreeing with 'em
But I mean, look at the conversation we just had over the past 30 minutes.
KK
19:03
Kit Killovarras
I am well aware. My issue isn't so much with their work, it's with how they provoke people but at very least I wasn't the one to block them. was the other way around. =P
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19:03
Michichael
This is some of hte most engaging conversation with multiple sides on a position, that has been seen in any of the parts of the fandom I hang around with in weeks.
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19:03
Reason the LA Quail
Because so many gays and trans aren’t visible because they blend into society, most people haven’t met them. It’s the ones that broadcast and reinforce stereotypes that people see. But if you become friends with someone and then you can now say “hey I’m cool and decent and normal, but also gay/trans” then it makes people reevaluate how they categorize people
This is kinda why I looked into the furry raiders a while back. When I did, I wound up in a situation I hadn't been in since I was a teenager: I wound up in a debate with a nationalist, a socialist and a centrist and the only reason I know who was who was because I looked at their forum profiles.
Yup. As Nex said: Treat each other like people ffs.
KK
19:07
Kit Killovarras
oh and to add to it: the debate in question ended with everyone still on good terms with each other.
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19:08
Michichael
Yup ^^
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19:08
That_One_Wofie
So many notifications from here!
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19:09
Michichael
It was a good conversation.
N?
19:09
Nex Conner (Meles Meles!) 🍏
Hehe
KZ
19:09
Kes Zerda
To be honest, a big part of the problem is the microscopic attention span the media generates -- sell the sizzle, not the steak. They'll say there's controversy, but will never do the sort of long-form journalism to actually get to what the truth is.
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20:21
Michichael
*tosses a bunch of tomato sauce, crushed tomatoes, oregeno, thyme, rosmary, basil, garlic, onion powder, chili powder, and various other ingredients into a crock pot while the hamburger thaws*
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20:21
Tamino
ooo.
KZ
20:29
Kes Zerda
oooh, sounds nommable
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20:33
Michichael
Mhm. Bunny bought some french bread, so figured I'd make spaghetti
