I think other than being gay is to value yourself and take pride in who you are.
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22:40
Tamino
i got adopted by a gay couple too, but it was real parenting, not some sort of weird eye-candy thing. they put me to work in the yard, they made me crawl under the house to run cat5 cable, they yelled at me when i made a mistake and then they hugged me and taught me how to do better next time. they taught me about unix and programming and boyfriends and breakups and what a rebound was and why it's important to avoid them. they taught me about paying rent and taking public transit and buying furniture and moving out and being independent. they taught me about startups, and stock options, and taxes.
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Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
Honestly it's the same concept as traditional apprenticeship.
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22:43
Tamino
i'd like to be more of a daddy, but i'm too miserable and depressed all the time and i feel too lost, myself. i don't have any role models really, and that's a problem.
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22:43
Michichael
Or in other cultures, the master/housecarl relationship
I mean I've somewhat taken @carcikitsune under my wing with the tutalage in IT as well as helping him learn to adult.
22:49
Getting my dick sucked every now and then is a bonus, but we were friends well before tehn.
22:49
;)
22:49
And despite the appearance of hyper-lewdness, something rarely is going on.
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Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
I knew quite a few gay men who cared for , literally cooked, picked out clothing schemes, almost like a housewife but not sexual relationship between them.
They did often refer to themselves as "housewife" or caretaker.
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22:51
Michichael
I mean honestly, I wouldn't be entirely opposed to, lame as it sounds with the furry community, housepets that essentially are apprenticed. Teach them basic life skills, or maybe start 'em learning various trades (plumbing, landscaping, woodworking, etc).
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22:51
Caudamus
The economist in me is wanting to say “letting people make trades is how value is created” but I understand where there’s this strong of a power differential it can be a bit precarious for some folks.
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22:51
Michichael
Typically the furry version is some hyper-sexualized batch of fucktoys, but you get the picture.
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22:51
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
About half never said much to the men beyond clarification of a duty.
this sounds pretty darn good to me too. but i'd want a no-video-game rule, and i'd want to be able to mold them culturally, and i dunno if my rules would really be acceptable to anyone these days.
Turning 40 next week and debating trying to learn a trade a this point in my life.
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22:54
Michichael
Or starting up that kind of program/facility.
22:54
Similar to the military, but instead of combat and breaking people down to reform them into some fucked up psychological ticking time bomb that's combat effective, just guide people to what they're good at.
I'll have @carcikitsune take care of writing all the bullshit, I'll supply the framework, and i shall rule with an iron paw while seeing that my charges are developed to the best version of themselves. :P
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22:56
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
Sorry, not familiar with it beyond the CA concept of general law vs chartered
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22:59
Caudamus
Oh yeah this is like you’re allowed to self-govern within the borders of another country, in exchange for some amount of tax. Usually stipulations that you follow the parent countries criminal law, but civil law can be your own, and you can have your own police force/etc.
23:00
Sort of like a special economic zone — these are especially interesting since they can have totally novel trade and incentive structures and markets.
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23:00
Michichael
So basically disneyland.
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23:00
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
So wait.
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23:00
Michichael
or whatever that thing they have in florida
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23:00
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
Your saying...
23:01
We should build missions in third world countries and create micro economies?
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23:03
Caudamus
AFAIK most of them are overseas. There’s at least one project that’s trying to get one started in the US though.
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23:03
Michichael
I'd rather keep the industry and luxury of a first world country thank you very much
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23:03
Caudamus
Yeah I think I might only be interested in the one in the US, personally.
23:04
Monasteries are much easier to start though! So much virtue.
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23:04
Michichael
Mmm. I mean sounds good. Problem I've got is if I'm a primary investor or provider of financing, I'd want to ensure a return.
23:04
Folf does not run a charity.
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23:04
Caudamus
Yeah they’re being real careful with picking investors. Also like most ventures it carries with it a bunch of risk.
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
Grow marijuana, build a vertical farm.
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23:06
Michichael
Paying people with lodging and food, still gotta report that as income, gotta pay the residents, etc
23:06
Gets expensive fast and real easy for some uppity twat to ruin it for everyone with lawsuits
23:07
I think most places get around that by calling them students.
23:07
;)
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23:07
Caudamus
Hah. True. But also tribal lands have some lovely (for prototyping governance structures concerns) exceptions
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23:08
Michichael
But yeah. Self sustaining community, good infrastructure, internet, security, and I get to oversee it? Sign me up. I'll keep shit running smoothly, people do their tasks, I'm game. Post apocalyptic with the bonus of internets
23:09
Problem then becomes economic structures
23:09
*shrugs*
23:09
All deeper than I feel like getting into
23:10
If I'm the one primarily funding, easy to maintain the loose discipline I enjoy - this lightly guided chaotic structure
23:10
*is a very hands off iron fisted ruler*
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23:11
Caudamus
seems very “Dr. Doom"
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23:12
Michichael
I've often quipped that I would take over the world for the simple purpose of decimating armies and rejecting surrender with a simple 'keep your pitiful, pathetic world - too self centered and self absorbed to solve its problems' before disappearing
23:12
A silly fantasy to be sure
23:13
But had I the technology, humbling humanity would be entertaining.
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23:13
Caudamus
Glad to see that “Lawful Evil” is still a valid career path.
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23:13
Michichael
Oh I'm full on chaotic evil
23:13
I am nogitsune.
23:14
They are evil, qed I am evil.
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23:14
Tamino
somehow you always seem to have people's best interests at heart, though. i don't get bothered by your particular brand of whatever-it-is.
But yeah truthfully, people always want someone to hate or blame for all of their problems. I'm perfectly fine being that person just before I end their suffering. :P
23:17
*nukes ghandi with his own captured cities*
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23:18
Caudamus
i think if ghandi had read strategy of conflict he would be in favor of large, stable superpowers having nukes 😛
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23:18
Michichael
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Daze 🇿🇦
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23:33
Kaiser (Calm) Wolf
OwO? I read everything that’s going on here and why oh why am I not feeling content
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23:38
Tamino
i'm not feeling "content" either if it comes down to that. it's not a content time in history to be alive in. :-/
23:39
i guess what michi was saying is that he thinks the bay area is not a content place to be, either.
What're you so pouty about? My bbq's are typically open invite.
23:52
Hell, even @Yiff_Mii has made one. New years I think it was.
23:53
Which is another reason i'd like to get the yard and shit in order. 4th of july is coming up.
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H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
oh huh
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Grey Wolf Executrix
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one of the characters in robert anton wilson's books has a realization at one point, that if more people learned to meditate, they would lose their fear of imprisonment, because being imprisoned would just stop being anything anyone would be afraid of.
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i think that's a good wish, and a good goal. but hopefully you can do it in ways that aren't just like "intentionally put yourself into a bad situation and then hope people will be nice to you".
And this is something I mentioned to You Know Who. Can't just expect everything to be all sunshine and rainbows everywhere you go. Some people are gonna be hard on you and you gotta accept and adapt to the situation
i think sunshine and rainbows is a pretty good goal to aspire to. i'm not willing to accept that "people being hard on each other" is okay just because it happens sometimes.
Well I lived in the Philippines like 2.5 years ago :P
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01:12
Daze 🇿🇦
So did I
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01:13
Kaiser (Calm) Wolf
And every cutie in Japan too
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01:13
Daze 🇿🇦
But yeah, sure every place has a slightly different "welcoming atmosphere" and such, but if you take a minute and compare them all to their core, they're all pretty much the same
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01:15
Kaiser (Calm) Wolf
I’ll just shut up
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01:15
Daze 🇿🇦
But yeah. Am tired, and busy watching Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. Coz why not
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Daze 🇿🇦
Yeah, the plot is pretty half-baked and confusing, but I think its because Square Enix were more focused on trying to make super-realistic character models than telling an actual story
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But still, I still think the animation is somewhat impressive for 2001's standards
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I hope things doesn't go down shit
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13:58
Zarel
The one time there was a lockdown at my school, some strung-out low-wattage whacko was running top-speed through the campus totally nude. And no, apparently he was the exact opposite of 'hawt', so thanks for protecting me from the need for brainbleach.
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well I dunno about AC transit Lemme check
15:57
Yeah it does too
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15:57
Daze 🇿🇦
Eh.
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15:58
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
It’s also better at recommending me routes
15:58
Oh and I’m like kinda sure it saves the timetable of the busses even without WiFi
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15:58
Daze 🇿🇦
I was planning on taking the bus to the Union City bart since it arrives at 2:10. But of course that one didn't show up
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H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
Well there’s a train arriving soon
16:00
But oof
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Daze 🇿🇦
But yeah, gonna have to tell my manager that I'm gonna have to quit
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16:01
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
You think you can ask for a different schedule or nah?
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16:02
Daze 🇿🇦
I can't. Unless I start work at 5 or 6 instead, but that's not long enough. Plus if I extend it til late in the evening, I won't have any time to focus on my studies.
16:02
So this is a new situation im stuck with
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16:02
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
:/
16:02
A pretty sucky one
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Daze 🇿🇦
Mhm
16:03
Either way, working on weekends wasn't my plan either
HT
16:03
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
Just do Michi’s garden every now and then lol
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16:03
Daze 🇿🇦
lol yeah
16:03
That is if he's still up for it
HT
16:04
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
Then maybe your plans to overthrow him could start there
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16:04
Daze 🇿🇦
But yeah, really sucks going around places if you don't have a car
Nah. Theyre already in session. But I'm not gonna reveal any details about it, otherwise what's the point lol
HT
16:05
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
True yes
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Daze 🇿🇦
Best way to overthrow someone is to do it when they least expect it
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16:44
StarForce/Kaiser🐯🐲
I just spend $15 for 20 packs of Ramen
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+ a free pot
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Zarel
Re: Transit App ... in the bay area, also make sure to go to 511.org and make a desktop icon for it. Transit is good for realtime bus info, but tends to provide really screwy route suggestions. 511 is regularly far more optimized with trip planning... but I always do a trip plan with both so I can pick a sane solution.
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I can't remember if it was denver pride or boulder pride that i went to in 1995, but it felt so freaking GOOD for my 15 year old self to feel like the people waving and smiling were waving and smiling at *me* and they were saying that i was an okay person.
The algorithma so generic it recommends the same thing to everyone lol
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🦊 Kit Kitsune 🦊
So for commuting to downtown SF (near ferry terminal) what would be good places to look for affordable housing? I'm ok with up to 45 minute commute on public transit each way.
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19:20
Tamino
they sent us home early today because they were spraying toxic bug spray in the building. we had about exactly zero notice. it was just like, hey everyone, you might want to, oh, say, leave the building, right about, uh, now?
19:20
i wasn't sure how seriously to take it at first. and then everyone else started leaving. so i left too.