The lesson here is that it isn’t someone’s job to tell you to stop posting so many annoying things. Have to learn auto policing otherwise the big Michi god makes t bad for all
Text: I mean I still do you mean if your bothered to give you what you say something about it and that's what the point is not over yet ok something by who is going to say something about that for a minority all together will be corrected until something big happened but I know what I'm doing wrong person
Until people can calm the fuck down with the sticker spam. My own fault, really, for deciding that my own sticker pack being the group sticker was a bit narcissitic.
Hmm, how do I feel about a group of people with an already massive rate of mental illness and suicide NOT being allowed membership to a group that has a high rate of mental illness and suicide as well as access to military weaponry?
Serving in the military isn't a right and it's something that absolutely needs to be able to discriminate based on combat effectiveness.
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18:34
That_One_Wofie
About?
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18:34
Michichael
If we could reliably screen people prone to mental illness in general, or other undesirable qualities in a military system, I'd support banning that too.
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18:34
Daze 🇿🇦
Because Equal Rights > Equal Responsibilities, for some peeps
Because some TG troops were demanding preferential treatment, addition and support of their therapy, hormones, etc from medical benefits, and were demanding recognition by the military as a whole of their preferred gender.
They invest a lot of money in individual soldiers, a surgery with almost a years worth of recovery is not an effective way to spend your budget, plain and simple
At this point I feel like LGBT rights are pretty on par with everyone elses rights. Are there really any areas where we lack the same rights as others?
An argument can be made for debilitating physical injuries. Not to imply dysphoria isn't debilitating, but that goes back to the military "not my problem" state. You have to pass a physical fitness exam to get in; you can't join the military with a blown out knee, why should they admit someone with a debilitating mental issue?
Because there are a ton of physical conditions that also arise once one's in
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18:48
Michichael
Again, military won't give a shit about someone that's TG serving. They just don't want to deal with the associated baggage if someone's TG is debilitating.
Uh, source needed on it being "easy to treat". AFAIK a lot of scientific consensus is "the mind's a very complicated thing that's difficult to treat with any certainty"
there hasn't really been specific studies on it. If they show that there's no difference between regular soldiers in other armies, like you indicated, then I think that makes a compelling argument to allow it.
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18:55
FoxTrash 🍞👌
I have no issue with trans people being in
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But I do take issue with people demanding surgery
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18:56
Daze 🇿🇦
I demand a heart transplant
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18:56
FoxTrash 🍞👌
For a pre existing condition that wasn't service related
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18:56
Michichael
that said, the current tangential evidence (suicide and depression rates amongst TG) support a policy based exclusion simply because soldiers ALREADY have higher rates of that. And I agree with Fox Trash: I have no issues with TG servicepeople, provided they don't get any preferential treatement and medical services.
18:56
Just like I wouldn't support someone with CMT (e.g. my dad) having to have all of his medical care covered by the military simply because it showed up later in his career. It's a genetic condition; he's still got benefits, but complications related to CMT aren't the military's responsibility.
18:57
It is a complicated issue on what did or did not contribute to a given condition, though.
18:57
E.,g. your example of someone not realizing they were TG and wanting to be in the military to prove to themselves they're "real men" and discovering it themselves through the rigors of it.
18:58
Psychiatric treatement shouldn't be restricted. But hormornal therapy and other expensive corrective physical treatments? Cost vs benefit analysis from a functional military perspective.
18:58
That's my view at least.
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18:58
Kes Zerda
Yes, and treatment, up to and including surgery, is relatively inexpensive, given training costs, etc.
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18:59
FoxTrash 🍞👌
Hormonal therapy is cheap
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Surgery is not
KZ
18:59
Kes Zerda
the number of transpeople who need the surgical route is relatively small -- a lot of transpeople don't want/need it.
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18:59
Jarek Ashton
I'm so excited. I've never been to California before. ever!
The numbers here are 2.4M - 8.4M annual cost increase to cover elective surgery, increasing a 0.04-0.13 overall expenditure. To support, by their OWN admission, 29-129 servicement.
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19:02
Carci
... probably Arizona as well.
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19:02
Michichael
That's NOT cost effective.
KZ
19:02
Kes Zerda
for a lot, it can be delayed, for some, it can't.
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19:02
FoxTrash 🍞👌
Then for those people, they can get out
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19:02
Carci
Texas *maybe* gets a pass though.
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19:02
FoxTrash 🍞👌
Honorable discharge
KZ
19:03
Kes Zerda
Is it more cost effective than training replacements?
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19:03
FoxTrash 🍞👌
Yes
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One hundred percent
KZ
19:03
Kes Zerda
how are you certain?
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Deleted Account
@carcikitsune Do you mind if I PM you for details about that ride to Reason’s place?
If we want to permit TG servicepeople, I don't think anyone actually cares. I think the biggest opposition simply is the "why the fuck would the military pay for a procedure that is elective for many and disqualifyingly debilitating so they never should have been permitted to join for the rest"
The military does a lot of "elective" surgeries -- laser eye surgery, etc.
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19:09
Carci
And if there's a disqualifying issue keeping the trans person from being able to serve... that's probably going to come up on a check, independent of their being trans, yes? So no need for a ban on trans people as a specific disqualifying reason, I'd think. >.>
The process? Same with any other treatment. Doctors decide, choose a course of treatment. Some, it could be hrt, and occasional therp sessions. Others, it could be eventually needing something more invasive.
I think we'd agree that a blanket ban is unreasonable and hamfisted. HRT I'd be fine with them covering as well, were it up to me. But I don't think the cost-effectiveness of supporting reassignment is going to fly for anyone.
Chime is easy, you open the app and fill in your address and bam, bank account.
20:06
I use a chime account for my spending money.
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20:07
FoxTrash 🍞👌
Venmo is pretty easy to
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20:07
Majik ɹɐǝq
When I get paid my Chase account auto-transfers whatever I can afford to spend for that pay period to my Chime account so I always know exactly how much spending money I have and dn't go over.
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20:08
FoxTrash 🍞👌
I try to do something similar but my tax people scold me for it
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20:08
Majik ɹɐǝq
I don't have tax people because my financial situation is not so complicated that I need a staff of people to manage my wealth
20:09
Deleted Account
My mom came to pay a surprise visit, so good thing ice cream failed lmao
"Oh, dinner with billie for the 3rd time this week, well don't let me interrupt dear, I'm just headed to the library to look up books on being an older mother whose son is a homo faggit."
two years in the SCCA made me a better and faster driver in wet and dry conditions, and vastly improved my situational awareness in all weather and road conditions and situations.
f-list notes are good for this if you find other similarly minded people
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20:49
Caudamus
Are there RP archives I can scrape somewhere?
20:49
Deleted Account
I've pretty much given up on rp entirely, but that's good to know if that changes, thanks
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20:49
Caudamus
(I've not done it before and I'm curious -- also I work on text-based language models and am *really* interested in what these would "train" one to say)
Here's how super hero movies work: A studio buys the rights to a comic studio's IP and they make movies unitl people stop buying tickets. Then they sell the rights to the next studio. Wash, rinse, repeat.
hosting companies like cloudflare do that sometimes. they have to pay per certificate that their CA signs for them, so they pack as many of their customers as they can, into one cert.
Don't try to make logical assertions about super hero movies. Every super hero anything is just one big edging scene because in reality if a super hero existed with the power of Superman, what would actually happen is that he'd kill all living beings and then be alone for eternity.
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21:20
FoxTrash 🍞👌
Not me
21:20
I'd only kill most of the people
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21:20
Majik ɹɐǝq
You'd eventually kill all of them.
21:21
You'd start killing people for jaywalking.
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21:21
Tamino
for a minute i wasn't sure whether your message was going to be about ssl, or superhero movies. because "Don't try to make logical assertions about SSL" is pretty good advice too.
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21:21
FoxTrash 🍞👌
I'd leave the rest for the gladiator pits
21:21
I still need entertainment
21:21
Also sex
21:21
Also make me food
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Actually you might poison it, so nvm
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21:22
Majik ɹɐǝq
I believe Kevin Smith's character put it best when he said "Superman could never have sex with Lois Lane. He'd blow a load right through her back like a shotgun."