@BrownieTheWolf let’s make a singles pact. If we are still old later, let’s live together, cool together and cuddle with my cat and you can get a dog or cat- your choice
KW
20:00
Kaiser (Calm) Wolf
Wow
20:00
Such a strong commitment
R
20:00
Reason the LA Quail
We will both be fat, I may or may not drink
KW
20:01
Kaiser (Calm) Wolf
Hmmm
R
20:01
Reason the LA Quail
And they lived happily ever after XD
20:01
The cat will most certainly be fat
20:01
And happy
20:01
He is the true winner here
M
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Michichael
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i heard there was a secret telegram group only for SF furs. i think even if i lived in SF i'd probably still stay out of it, just cuz the idea gives me the not-so-good kind of tingly feelings.
Ungghhh I wish you weren't so far away. I'd be happy to host you over here for a weekend, but I know it's the same commute for you. I don't have a car either. ;_;
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KW
21:41
Kaiser (Calm) Wolf
Eh
HT
21:42
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
The repair is done now btw
TL
21:47
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
400 plus messages read, nothing to add. Bbl
HT
21:50
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
oki
21:50
Ngl it was a little hard because im working with such small components
21:50
And one wrong flick of the hand ends in disaster
T
21:52
Tamino
i know someone who has a headband that consists of (1) a light source, and (2) magnifying glasses, positioned at some approximation of the right focal length.
HT
21:52
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
Ah
T
21:52
Tamino
i wonder if something like that would be a good tool for you to have.
HT
21:52
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
It might but just having a proper station for these stuff would be better imo
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Interesting to think that this album is a year older than me, yet it still sounds modern for my standards
22:19
btw that spectrum goes from 16hz to 25 kHz
22:20
if I go fullscreen it goes from 11hz to 28 kHz
T
22:20
That_One_Wofie
GOODDDDDDDDD LIKE I THINK THIS TEST I HAVE WILL TAKE AT LEAST 5 pages.
22:20
Of notes
HT
22:20
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
oh
T
22:21
That_One_Wofie
And It is about politics
22:21
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22:21
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
Well that sucks
T
22:21
Tamino
nyquist says with a 44.1kHz sampling rate, even if you think you have something higher frequency than 22.5kHz, you should filter it out cuz it's bogus! :-P
Wofie: Basically, whenever you're doing a recording of sound, you have to have a tradeoff of how often you can take a measurement of what the value of the sound is at a given instant versus storage space, and also quality of the compenents, etc.
Hmm I see. Thanks for telling me. That helps a lot.
KZ
22:32
Kes Zerda
Wofie: so a 22.1khz sampling time means you're taking 22000 measurements of the microphone per second. Where the Nyquist limit comes in is that in order to reproduce a sound, you need to take at least twice the number of measurements as the frequency of the thing you're sampling -- so you can get both the high value and the low value.
T
22:33
Tamino
or sometimes you don't get either the highest high value, or the lowest low value... and what Nyquist's theorem says is that, seemingly paradoxically, *that doesn't matter*.
KZ
22:34
Kes Zerda
yeah. It's why a higher sampling rate is useful -- you're going to get more pictures of what's going on, so can recreate it more accurately.
T
22:34
Tamino
his theorem says that as long as you do the correct kind of filtering both before the recording, and after the playback... you'll still get a perfect reproduction of the waves up to that frequency limit, *even if* your timing was skewed and you only got it halfway through its up slope and halfway through its down slope.
which is really magical and mindblowing if you try to understand it.
KZ
22:37
Kes Zerda
Nyquist is also related to aliasing. You ever see a video of a plane's propeller where as it starts spinning up, it seems to spin backwards for a while?
HT
22:38
H̵a̴r̷u̸d̵o̷ The Otteryeen
I've seen that
22:38
I've seen that happen in multiple things
KZ
22:40
Kes Zerda
That's called aliasing. Basically, those finite number of frames/samples miss what's going on between each of them. So, when a propeller starts going faster than the frame rate, it starts seeming to go backwards because the camera doesn't have any information on how it's spinning, it just sees a picture of the propeller at each time
With the following gotcha: alias signals start just above fsample/2, so for a CD player 22.05 Khz. Making a low-pass filter that passes 100% up to 20Khz and stops 100% at 22 Khz is actually pretty hard (especially with analog filters), and circuit nonlinearities can cause audible beat components so the solution adopted was oversampling by 4 or 8 times (interpolating 3 or 7 samples between each actual sample). That moves the aliases up by 4 to 8 times and separates the aliases way above the desired signal. Then a cheap simple filter can do an almost perfect job of reproduction. But oddly it's not that there are more samples in that case. It's that the alias components can be almost perfectly rejected, leaving only the 0 - fsamp/2 part. :) At least that's how I understand it.
22:58
So yeah, "the right kind of filtering" is key.
22:58
I'm unconvinced that sample rates above 44.1 khz have any benefit at all to audio quality
T
22:58
Tamino
as always, woofle is who you actually go to to find the real answers about this stuff :-)
W
23:00
Woofle A Thylacine
Boston Audio Society took top end 32 bit 192Khz sampling gear and fed it through a 16 bit/ 44.1 Khz sample bottleneck via a double-blind A/B test and invited lots of musicians and industry folks to tell which was "better" and the net result was almost dead 50/50 picking between the faster and slower rate, and not one participant could reliably tell which was which.
23:01
With one exception: with dead silence the 32 bit channel was noticeably quieter at very high volume and everyone could tell then. :)
KZ
23:01
Kes Zerda
Something like that, the biggest benefit I imagine would come through increasing the loss, etc, when you're applying various filters, etc.
W
23:03
Woofle A Thylacine
Oh yeah, you want as many bits as you can when you're going to slice and dice and mix and effects 87 channels to death in 20 steps before the master is cut. :)
23:03
Just rounding error is a thing when you scale things and play with integers
KZ
23:03
Kes Zerda
yep
W
23:04
Woofle A Thylacine
So 24/32 bits is a great idea. And it can't hurt to go 192 Khz so why not
I think you may be underestimating the awesome human superpower of "muddling through" that seems to be imprinted in our DNA. It's the main reason we keep surviving as a species despite making unbelievably stupid and careless mistakes. You'd be surprised at how many bad decisions and problems people can bounce back from.
Also, as a greymuzzle I'll throw in my 2 cents that it appears that the world is always screwed up and something is always falling apart. Admittedly there are some especially bad trends now but you know... Nazis, genocide, gulags, war... there's nothing all that new in bad people gaining power and causing things to go haywire until they burn out. Seems to me we've had it good for a few generations and now we're reverting to a nastier place. :(
T
23:16
Tamino
quigre, you were the one who came up with the idea of solving our political problems with barbecue.
23:16
i liked that idea.
W
23:16
Woofle A Thylacine
Well, technology is allowing us to create custom bubbles. That part is kind of new
23:17
Vegans like Tofurkey franks
23:17
Humans will adapt to this technology just the same as we adapted to rail travel, air flight, the radio and TV, etc.
23:21
Well, what is "deviant". Differing from the median. A genius is deviant. So is a person who risks his life to save someone else. The relevant question in assessing something that isn't the norm is: is it beneficial, or at worst harmless, or is there a rational argument against it.
23:23
Well, maybe. It's plausible. We do know that the factor most correlated with the decline in violent crime during the late 70's and 80's was: eliminating leaded gasoline.
23:23
Violent crime has plummeted since the 1970s yet many people have this false idea that it's increasing.
23:24
Eh, I dunno. Beyond my pay grade to disentangle cause and effect. Too complex for me to even speculate.
23:25
So, sounds plausible but I don't know how you'd prove it.
23:28
Mass extinction and failure of the food web is one way the buck might stop.
23:28
Yeah, I just saw that study
23:29
The ocean isn't doing well either
23:30
Oh, a lot of people care. But as usual a problem has to be in our face before we commit resources to fixing it.
23:30
I mean, what can you or I do to save bees?
23:31
Yeah, well 1) that's never going to happen and 2) if you did, some other company would pop up and eventually take its place.
23:32
We're back to 1). Regulation is evil you know.
23:32
(sarcasm intended)
23:32
So it will have to cause problems for people before they re-think their attitudes
23:33
When summer temperatures reach 120 degrees and crops are failing, then all of a sudden there will be resources to deal with it. Not until then.
23:34
Well, I said our superpower was muddling through, not foresight and wise planning....
23:35
I agree we could build a better society but the only thing that matters is money so.
23:35
I seem to recall there was a bottleneck in human populations. Maybe it was severe drought or something, but human population was really strained.
23:44
Well my only real comment going forward is the problem is usually more lack of will or interest than lack of ability to solve or mitigate our problems... they have to hit in an obvious way and then of course everyone is yelling why nobody did anything but of course that was because they weren't listening.
23:45
Luckily I have a lot of confidence in us clever monkeys figuring out solutions once the resources and will are applied to the problem.
23:46
You're the product of all the evolutionary badasses who survived, you know. :)
23:48
It's not like history supports the idea that humans in general know what we're doing most of the time.
listening to you guys i kept thinking of "it's a hard rain's a gonna fall" so i had to go look it up on youtube so i could listen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIolT2Y37SU
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23:56
Woofle A Thylacine
Was that Ray Bradbury?
23:58
I am going to be unfashionably optimistic long-term. If we get through this period of unsustainable pursuit of profit without regard to consequences, we'll go on to do great things.
23:58
Oh, ok Dylan
23:59
I recall a Martian Chronicle chapter about that too
18 October 2018
W
00:00
Woofle A Thylacine
We could use a few of Asimov's robots...
00:00
All positronic and 3 law-y :)
00:02
Well, the last chapter of I, Robot....
00:06
I'm going to turn in. And remain stubbornly optimistic for a future that's pretty far off and beyond my lifespan. :) Nini
00:07
Nice chatting
Y
00:38
Youth
I want a Chappie. Make a Chappie and I will give all my approval.
00:38
Sentient, Learning-From-Square-One Robots or bust.
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02:44
Trader Lenny, the forgetful scholar. Leader of the biscuit Brigade in service of the Church of Dadbod
Just read 206 messages. Nothing to add on the subject matter. I seem to have located the place in myself that I have been seeking. This is not looking good. More to report later after some more sleuthing.
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KW
09:14
Kaiser (Calm) Wolf
Good morning
09:20
How’re you all
BW
09:41
Brownie Wotter
Lonely, but feeling okay I guess
R
09:47
Reason the LA Quail
R
Reason the LA Quail 18.10.2018 09:44:50
Dude. I explicitly told a coworker to do something and then he got distracted by me demonstrating how to do one of the first tasks and forgot to do the other one. It just sat on the ground the whole time in his work area.
09:47
He thinks that if I don’t explicitly as him to do a task he doesn’t have to do it.
Ther'es a very slight chance, being actively researched by a university, that sightings indicate deep in uninhabited Tasmania, a remnant population might have survived. Hoping against hope that this 1% chance is true.
I am thinking of starting a dog walking business. What do you guys think
11:46
My neighborhood doesn't have one. Therefore I have all the advantage.
BW
11:48
Brownie Wotter
Go for it!
11:48
Keep the puppers in line
11:48
*wags*
T
11:49
That_One_Wofie
:) *wag and bark* I shouldddddddddddd do itttttt. I mean I wake up early and plus this should be more flexible then a normal job. Plus I walk all the time and way too fast.
Naaawwhhh, dogs are instead pretty great evidence of how fucking awesome humankind is. Thousands of years ago, a bunch of our ancestors convinced one of our worst competitive predatory species to start living around us, and did so well with it they developed a new subspecies that became one of our best friends!
It's not clear to me that it's quite that straightforward, given that the food-for-various-useful-services trade was mutually beneficial, at least at first. Who's to say if it was our idea, or the wolf's, or actually both?
12:05
It may be our idea now that we've selectively bred them to various tasks and characteristics, but that initial taming seems to be more of a happenstance or concurrence of interests than any deliberate act of human engineering. IMHO of course :)
C
12:06
Carci
True, true. The start of it was probably more mutually-agreed-upon than that, but still, I'm gonna give humankind most of the credit for dogs today being the way they are. :P
W
12:06
Woofle A Thylacine
call it a happy accident that was later engineered?
I'm attempting to flirt with a zebra I found on Howlr
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BT
12:28
Birthday This Sunday!
oof
12:28
dont get wrecked
12:28
if you know what i mean
12:28
:v
BW
12:28
Brownie Wotter
I... don't?
KW
12:28
Kaiser (Calm) Wolf
Oh my
BT
12:29
Birthday This Sunday!
kaiser does
Mɹ
12:34
Majik ɹɐǝq
In 1140, a German King captured a castle and ordered all the women of the castle to leave with whatever they could carry on their backs. Thinking quickly, the women carried their men on their backs. The King kept his word and let the men live.
W
12:41
Woofle A Thylacine
Well, presumably the men whose weight to wife-back-strength ratio was sufficiently low.
Mɹ
12:43
Majik ɹɐǝq
In 1140 humans were significantly smaller.
12:44
This was just around the time of societal collapse in the mediteranian, incidentally.
W
12:44
Woofle A Thylacine
Was that less true of women and more true of men? Or is it just men weren't often fat.. :P
Mɹ
12:45
Majik ɹɐǝq
In that period and location usually only aristocrats and politicians were fat.
T
12:45
That_One_Wofie
I am getting worse.
Mɹ
12:45
Majik ɹɐǝq
Plebians usually ate millet and cheese curds primarily, or other staple foods, and not much of them.
