<2022-12-10T12:44:31.000Z> the_decider: I also have babesia, low T, low vitamins, and low other hormones of some sort but I will have to find my records for the details.
<2022-12-10T12:47:45.000Z> the_decider: For example, Vitamin B was low and so doctor had me take Vitamin B to improve it. I took DHEA to boost testosterone. These methods restored my levels -- my Testosterone levels were raised by 50% just from DHEA -- but it had absoluely no effect on energy levels.
<2022-12-10T12:48:01.000Z> scalar: will reply on TL to those then can continue here.
<2022-12-10T12:48:35.000Z> the_decider: Np I just did not want to go into much more detail publically as it is getting very doxxy.
<2022-12-10T12:52:31.000Z> scalar: okie. i replied vaguely in on TL with enough search terms for lurkers who may have or know someone with similar problem.
<2022-12-10T12:52:42.000Z> scalar: So main complaint, my friend, essentially comes down to energy levels?
<2022-12-10T12:53:38.000Z> scalar: no need to answer any of those anymore on the TL
<2022-12-10T12:55:10.000Z> the_decider: I have very low energy and brain fog. It is hard to focus on things. The only improvement I had was early on I took some neutragenics I think from GNC lol. And after a few weeks I had a sudden a slight boost in energy levels. I received strange looks from everyone until I realized I was sprinting everywhere, as I was not used to having that much energy.
<2022-12-10T12:55:59.000Z> the_decider: It only lasted a few days, and wasn't much of an improvement, but it had a huge effect even so. Sadly, it has never been replicated. Even with the boost in testosterone fromDHEA
<2022-12-10T12:56:13.000Z> scalar: What's your diet look like? What sort of dietary interventions have you tried that failed?
<2022-12-10T12:56:47.000Z> the_decider: Ah thats the other thing that was tested for. Like I say I will have to find these records as it will help a lot.
<2022-12-10T12:57:00.000Z> the_decider: I have many food sensitivities although they are not severe.
<2022-12-10T12:57:04.000Z> scalar: Are you currently doing self-research to try to tackle the issue yourself, or given up (no shame) due to fuckery and incompetence?
<2022-12-10T12:57:40.000Z> scalar: Yeah, if you have bad actors in your gut - you'll score as if allergic to everything.
<2022-12-10T12:58:00.000Z> the_decider: It was 3 months of a fairly restrictive diet that cut out all the sensitivities and really anything that could be an irritant. Like everything else it had no effect.
<2022-12-10T12:59:48.000Z> the_decider: No I largely stopped after covid and when I was dropped by doctor because I did not want to continue without having another medical person to discuss with. I lost contact with the PUA bro that diagnosed me with Lymes (although TBF he was studying to be a doctor so wasn't just some gym bro lol).
<2022-12-10T13:00:13.000Z> scalar: Are you willing to be more specific? How restrictive? Most powerful elimination diet is Carnivore, High-fat Organ-meat focused no dairy, no vege, no fruit, no nuts, etc.
<2022-12-10T13:01:15.000Z> scalar: The problem with Lyme, as you pointed out is that everyone has it. Especially in N America and Europe, now. And it's synthbio not Otzi's. It's whether your immune function can be modified, brought down enough for it to gain a foothold and then go from there.
<2022-12-10T13:01:39.000Z> the_decider: So like you've seen here the medical advice I was given was not always ideal -- that's why I stopped until I could talk to someone else. As for diet again, I don't remember all this and will have to look it up. 
<2022-12-10T13:01:45.000Z> the_decider: No dairy
<2022-12-10T13:02:16.000Z> the_decider: Mostly just meat and a few vegitables and fruits that were not irritants. Most foods were cut out I know that.
<2022-12-10T13:02:28.000Z> the_decider: No gluten
<2022-12-10T13:02:59.000Z> the_decider: No sugar ofc
<2022-12-10T13:02:59.000Z> scalar: was GNC product Nugenix?
<2022-12-10T13:03:03.000Z> the_decider: yeah
<2022-12-10T13:03:09.000Z> the_decider: something like that
<2022-12-10T13:03:36.000Z> scalar: it was T product not necessarily Neuro product?
<2022-12-10T13:04:01.000Z> the_decider: It may have been some weird fluke. I took it for many weeks and randomly had a boost of energy that quickly went away. All I know is that is the only time I have had any improvement at all.
<2022-12-10T13:04:09.000Z> the_decider: It was mainly for T yes.
<2022-12-10T13:05:31.000Z> scalar: B-vitamins, while necessary - in synth form will initially get you that +++++ but the fucking bugs tend to feed on them. B-vitamins from Beef Liver, animal sources you don't get the same phenomena.
<2022-12-10T13:06:28.000Z> scalar: if not too much to ask, what are you doing currently, taking currently?
<2022-12-10T13:06:56.000Z> the_decider: Now? Nothing. Again I would have to look up the stuff I previously took.
<2022-12-10T13:08:46.000Z> the_decider: Ashwagandha D-Aspartic Acid chorellia  turmeric artemax
<2022-12-10T13:09:12.000Z> the_decider: oh i was on the vital plan
<2022-12-10T13:09:23.000Z> the_decider: that was the major treatment
<2022-12-10T13:09:47.000Z> the_decider: william rawls
<2022-12-10T13:12:54.000Z> the_decider: store.vitalplan.com/products/restore-kit
<2022-12-10T13:13:09.000Z> scalar: Bill? And he dropped you due to non compliance?
<2022-12-10T13:13:28.000Z> the_decider: No no
<2022-12-10T13:13:37.000Z> the_decider: I went to a local doctor
<2022-12-10T13:14:13.000Z> the_decider: And they put me on the vital plan. There were different temporary treatments, but she had me take the vital plan as the main medicine.
<2022-12-10T13:15:35.000Z> the_decider: I was on the Vital Plan for maybe a year, year and a half.
<2022-12-10T13:16:25.000Z> scalar: and all they did was test you for urinary mycotoxins before just throwing someone else's product line at you?
<2022-12-10T13:18:51.000Z> the_decider: yeah it was a urinary test. no they had me keep taking the vital plan pills but then had me go on Cholestyramine.
<2022-12-10T13:19:48.000Z> the_decider: Basically it was her throwing different treatments at the wall and seeing if anything changed. It never did.
<2022-12-10T13:20:34.000Z> scalar: + the restrictive diet? ofc it didn't. their success rate is probably low and doesn't get higher than "uhhh I felt kinda better".
<2022-12-10T13:24:07.000Z> scalar: Are you actively looking into things for yourself still or was poast more along of the lines of MDs bad, don't want anything to do with it anymore
<2022-12-10T13:25:36.000Z> the_decider: I was temporarily pausing doing anything about it until I had someone else knowledgeable to talk to. For example, last year I heard from Full Haus that they knew of a MD that could help our guys out. I sent him an email but he never got back to me.
<2022-12-10T13:28:17.000Z> the_decider: I am going to log off now. I will see if I can find those medical forms so I can get more information.
<2022-12-10T13:29:45.000Z> scalar: Not necessary unless you have specific questions about the tests, through which can give you resources to help you self-interpret. Well my friend, can't give you medical advice - can't treat you. But can always be a sounding board on the TL for ideas, thoughts, questions should you decide to take your health into your own hands. TBH - it's the only way out for anyone, even with the most knowledgeable team. 