<2021-04-20T12:55:24.000Z> tengumatingpress: not going to lie, I've defend Christianity in the past but I forgot how annoying e-christians could get
<2021-04-20T23:00:04.000Z> rudrajade: I will credit that they have every right to defend their god and idols. I can respect them for that, but its race before religion in the end. 
<2021-04-20T23:00:53.000Z> rudrajade: And I didn't expect my post to spiral into a shitstorm like that, fucking hells.  Do a Jesus vs. Hitler and the sparks fly!
<2021-04-20T23:16:22.000Z> tengumatingpress: shit's really bizarre
<2021-04-20T23:16:44.000Z> tengumatingpress: tbh I do ultimately see Christianity as it's generally practiced as European, but I think the jewish antipathy for it is more based around seeing it as a european thing
<2021-04-20T23:17:16.000Z> tengumatingpress: having said that, being expected to go deep into apologetics whenever I bring up buddhism and they catch is it annoying
<2021-04-20T23:19:09.000Z> tengumatingpress: doesn't help that it seems they outright refuse to understand anything I'm saying, but I've never been a good expositor 
<2021-04-20T23:21:40.000Z> rudrajade: Well, they can defend their religion, but if they want to bring out their 'bantz' then bring out just as much.
<2021-04-20T23:22:38.000Z> tengumatingpress: all else fails I could always bring up how the theology they always jump to was created by Greek pagans and it's effectively an African religion cargo culting :^)
<2021-04-20T23:22:51.000Z> tengumatingpress: we wuz graykz
<2021-04-20T23:23:08.000Z> rudrajade: I'm more into polytheist religions, because Gods and their quarrels are more closer to what our groups argue to each other about.
<2021-04-20T23:23:35.000Z> rudrajade: Nah, just allude their servants to the jews and they help their sacrifice and they'll shut down.
<2021-04-20T23:23:50.000Z> tengumatingpress: mostly into Buddhism because its account of reality makes the most sense to me and it doesn't deny the existence of gods, which I do believe in on some level
<2021-04-20T23:24:09.000Z> rudrajade: If these 'racist' christians actually fucking drive out the jews and exterminate them, then I would listen to their case.
<2021-04-20T23:24:12.000Z> tengumatingpress: still haven't seen a satisfactory explanation for why an all-powerful benevolent god would ever require sacrifices to begin with
<2021-04-20T23:24:31.000Z> tengumatingpress: even the pogroms seemed less religiously motivated and more how any sane people would respond to psychotic subversives
<2021-04-20T23:25:23.000Z> rudrajade: Alluding jews to actual mythological creatures is more effective as I recall.  The myth of the Vampire is something that sticks so well.
<2021-04-20T23:25:49.000Z> tengumatingpress: yeah but then you go into how crosses are traditionally used to repel them
<2021-04-20T23:26:01.000Z> rudrajade: And when you realize what the Vampire alludes to (Blood drinking, Taysachs disease, sacrifices), it works so well.
<2021-04-20T23:26:23.000Z> tengumatingpress: yeah, I don't doubt depictions of vampires were heavily influenced by yids
<2021-04-20T23:26:30.000Z> tengumatingpress: I will continue pining for aryan vampire gf regardless
<2021-04-20T23:28:13.000Z> rudrajade: Yeah, the cross is one of the wards, but that's one thing I'll give them credit for.  They can have their Ws on occasion.
<2021-04-20T23:28:39.000Z> tengumatingpress: having strong faith in anything not openly pernicious is probably better than nothing
<2021-04-20T23:28:48.000Z> rudrajade: But I will give you a good luck for your Aryan Vampire GF on the Day of The Rape.  I'll be waiting for my Gazer Gamer GF.
<2021-04-20T23:29:04.000Z> tengumatingpress: I like to think I was one of the first to push that term
<2021-04-20T23:29:14.000Z> rudrajade: I fucking love /monster/
<2021-04-20T23:29:22.000Z> rudrajade: I do need to post there more though.
<2021-04-20T23:29:24.000Z> tengumatingpress: haven't really been on it much since 2017 tbh
<2021-04-20T23:29:33.000Z> tengumatingpress: used to spend a lot of time on it and /mgg/ back in the day
<2021-04-20T23:29:37.000Z> tengumatingpress: I say that like I'm an old man
<2021-04-20T23:33:48.000Z> tengumatingpress: I'm more a foxfag than a vampirefag myself tbh
<2021-04-20T23:35:09.000Z> rudrajade: Foxgirls are nice! Inari beat youkos but they're all good. The Senko anime was amazing.
<2021-04-20T23:35:24.000Z> tengumatingpress: mgq lore for foxes is kind of boring tbh, but it was cozy
<2021-04-20T23:35:45.000Z> rudrajade: The designs sell it.
<2021-04-20T23:36:36.000Z> tengumatingpress: meant *mge, but yeah
<2021-04-20T23:36:47.000Z> tengumatingpress: >he doesn't steal MGE lore for his tabletop rpg campaigns
<2021-04-20T23:38:35.000Z> rudrajade: You're working on one, right?
<2021-04-20T23:39:24.000Z> tengumatingpress: yeah, I was going to run it with randos from here, but I called it off because I realized I didn't provide enough info and many of them kind of went in half-cocked, which was partially my fault
<2021-04-20T23:39:45.000Z> tengumatingpress: thinking I'll try inviting some guys more familiar with the system to help out and see how magical I can make that realm before they call me on it
<2021-04-20T23:39:59.000Z> rudrajade: I'll admit I never have tried tabletop.  Avoided randos because they would try to stick to the latest DnD rules.
<2021-04-20T23:40:15.000Z> tengumatingpress: yeah, all D&D past 1st edition is a waste of time imo
<2021-04-20T23:40:26.000Z> tengumatingpress: and even then it was only good for one specific sort of campaign and still wasn't the best in its field
<2021-04-20T23:40:32.000Z> tengumatingpress: you ever hear about GURPS?
<2021-04-20T23:40:34.000Z> rudrajade: 2nd seemed alright because of that one weird expansion that allowed magic spaceships.
<2021-04-20T23:40:45.000Z> rudrajade: I heard about GURPS, but I haven't deep-dived into it.
<2021-04-20T23:40:51.000Z> tengumatingpress: Spelljammer was fun, but mechanically a mess because D&D wasn't really designed for it
<2021-04-20T23:41:10.000Z> tengumatingpress: and it's a roleplaying game meant to be "universal", ie you could run any sort of campaign in it and there are splatbooks for all sorts of ages, settings, etc
<2021-04-20T23:41:21.000Z> tengumatingpress: and rules for allowing a very detailed and satisfying combat system
<2021-04-20T23:42:22.000Z> tengumatingpress: wanting to run a sort of Golden Age of Piracy/colonial-era campaign where the players are a group exploring a recently discovered continent that may have been the home of a mythical empire
<2021-04-20T23:43:02.000Z> tengumatingpress: obviously the continent is full of monstergirls and the pirates, opportunistic settlers trying to claim artifacts and gold from the area, and religious groups trying to flee there have a hard time with them
<2021-04-20T23:43:46.000Z> rudrajade: So it would be an age of exploration, and the main setting centers on this one continent with the pirates trying to claim riches and glory?>
<2021-04-20T23:43:50.000Z> rudrajade: Sign me up.
<2021-04-20T23:44:12.000Z> tengumatingpress: wasn't sure if the players would be pirates or explorers sent by the crown
<2021-04-20T23:44:26.000Z> tengumatingpress: I was thinking to minimize shit I'd have to write and players have to minimize I'd just make it an alternate-real world
<2021-04-20T23:44:38.000Z> rudrajade: You could offer that choice.
<2021-04-20T23:44:39.000Z> tengumatingpress: so I don't have to embarrass anyone by making not-Spaniards, not-Anglos, not-Frenchmen, etc
<2021-04-20T23:44:43.000Z> tengumatingpress: I think I will
<2021-04-20T23:45:10.000Z> rudrajade: Some cases the crown will hire because of convenience, or forcing prisoned pirates a special pardon for taking the mission
<2021-04-20T23:45:17.000Z> tengumatingpress: yeah, that's what I was thinking
<2021-04-20T23:45:22.000Z> rudrajade: Or the pirates go themselves because treasures!
<2021-04-20T23:45:59.000Z> rudrajade: Maybe have different starting rules based on if they have the crown to back them up or not.
<2021-04-20T23:46:13.000Z> rudrajade: Or certain victory conditions.
<2021-04-20T23:46:20.000Z> tengumatingpress: I ran the setting by some guys and they said it wouldn't make sense to have full on colonies in an area discovered recently, but I want there to be enough people to actually have conflict between the humans and monsters
<2021-04-20T23:46:32.000Z> tengumatingpress: especially since I was thinking outside of qts there would be actual monsters they have to deal with
<2021-04-20T23:46:54.000Z> rudrajade: That would make sense.  No one wants to hurt the qts.
<2021-04-20T23:47:07.000Z> tengumatingpress: and depending on their interests they could spend time helping the settlers fortify their areas or deal with their monster troubles
<2021-04-20T23:47:34.000Z> tengumatingpress: not sure how realistic a large settlement founded by outlaws would be, but I think that was realistic for the colonial era
<2021-04-20T23:47:49.000Z> tengumatingpress: pirates relocating or making their bases in the new world in areas nations hadn't claimed, I'll have to do more reading
<2021-04-20T23:48:26.000Z> rudrajade: Depends if the pirates love the sea and marauding or their only pirates because it was the only thing they could do.
<2021-04-20T23:49:02.000Z> tengumatingpress: I was thinking part of the setup was large groups of people started having dreams ordering them to come to the new world for reasons I'm not sure I'll disclose, unsure how interested you'd be in joining it
<2021-04-20T23:49:02.000Z> rudrajade: The players could choose if they want to just be men down on their luck wanting to forge a new community and this continent was convenient, or they're pirates wanting to conquer
<2021-04-20T23:49:22.000Z> rudrajade: Its interesting to talk at least!
<2021-04-20T23:49:31.000Z> tengumatingpress: yeah, I'd hope it goes well
<2021-04-20T23:49:46.000Z> tengumatingpress: it'll probably be a while before I consider myself ready
<2021-04-20T23:49:59.000Z> tengumatingpress: would you be interested in a link to the rulebooks to see if it might be something you're interested it?
<2021-04-20T23:50:01.000Z> tengumatingpress: *in
<2021-04-20T23:50:18.000Z> rudrajade: Sure, link me up please!
<2021-04-20T23:51:00.000Z> tengumatingpress: alright, but it's a pretty large trove, so for your sake the books I'm looking at are the Basic Set, Low-Tech, Martial Arts, and Ritual Path Magic, though to get your bearings with the system I'd recommend reading Lite first to give you a quick rundown
<2021-04-20T23:51:11.000Z> tengumatingpress: mega.nz/folder/Ad8mCJ6R#lknpywVHbe03tDb1KUbZNQ
<2021-04-20T23:51:30.000Z> rudrajade: Awesome, thank you very much!
<2021-04-20T23:52:10.000Z> tengumatingpress: files.catbox.moe/vyint0.pdf
<2021-04-20T23:52:19.000Z> tengumatingpress: this is GURPS Lite since I couln't find it in there, I'd recommend starting with this
<2021-04-20T23:52:30.000Z> tengumatingpress: there's an intimidating amount of rules in the books, but many of them are optional and only relevant for the GM
<2021-04-20T23:52:58.000Z> tengumatingpress: I would recommend taking a look at the tactical combat section in the Basic Set and Martial Arts to see if it's something you could live with, because that's the crunchiest part of the system
<2021-04-20T23:55:03.000Z> rudrajade: Understood, I'll start digging in with this while I download the other stuff overtime
<2021-04-20T23:55:23.000Z> tengumatingpress: nice
<2021-04-20T23:55:37.000Z> tengumatingpress: I have another guy on here who's interested and 2 guys from the GURPS discord who expressed an interest, I'll keep you posted
<2021-04-20T23:55:46.000Z> tengumatingpress: wanting to keep party size at about 5
<2021-04-21T00:00:55.000Z> tengumatingpress: feel free to DM me any questions you have btw
<2021-04-21T00:01:06.000Z> tengumatingpress: I could add you on discord if you're willing to fall for fed schemes to give a better rundown
<2021-04-21T00:02:05.000Z> rudrajade: I'll hold off the discord for now, I still don't like that platform.
<2021-04-21T00:02:10.000Z> rudrajade: But I'll definitely keep in touch.
<2021-04-21T00:02:14.000Z> tengumatingpress: nice
<2021-04-21T00:02:52.000Z> rudrajade: I have work hours as usual, So I can't contact you during work hours, plus I shouldn't use work machines to post RAYYYYCIST stuff.'
<2021-04-21T00:03:17.000Z> rudrajade: Even if most of my coworkers agree with my views on a superficial level.
<2021-04-21T00:03:41.000Z> tengumatingpress: yeah, I get it
<2021-04-21T00:03:49.000Z> tengumatingpress: I'll probably run it fridays or saturday nights
<2021-04-21T00:04:13.000Z> tengumatingpress: I will say some of the players might be somewhat normal, so you might have to not get too spicy
<2021-04-21T00:04:39.000Z> rudrajade: I'll curb it with the uncle's purity spirals.
<2021-04-21T00:05:00.000Z> rudrajade: :^), but I will restrain myself, I will promise you that.
<2021-04-21T00:06:13.000Z> tengumatingpress: unfortunately if I want pirates to be a major part of the setting I'll have to resist the urge to mention that real pirates were overwhelmingly jewish
<2021-04-21T00:06:40.000Z> rudrajade: An unfortunate circumstance.
<2021-04-21T00:08:27.000Z> rudrajade: I should buy a fumo.
<2021-04-21T00:11:14.000Z> tengumatingpress: same here
<2021-04-21T00:12:01.000Z> tengumatingpress: putting the fumo on the wall opposite of my altar so anyone who enters my room can know what's important to me
<2021-04-21T00:13:21.000Z> tengumatingpress: probably an Aya fumo for the sake of the brand and best girl purposes
<2021-04-21T00:13:44.000Z> tengumatingpress: maybe a Momiji one to flex my status as one of the only people who genuinely likes her based on her canon personality
<2021-04-21T00:14:18.000Z> rudrajade: Still have to make a choice for the fumo I want, torn between Cirno and Patchouli.
<2021-04-21T00:14:28.000Z> tengumatingpress: Cirno is stronger, pick her
<2021-04-21T00:14:39.000Z> rudrajade: :^)
<2021-04-21T00:14:53.000Z> tengumatingpress: not entirely a joke, she could probably run a mile without an asthma attack
<2021-04-21T01:28:53.000Z> tengumatingpress: not sure if I'm planning on making templates for monstergirl races, was thinking it would be possible for players to play as, say, a native dog/catgril to work as a sort of guide with more knowledge of the area
<2021-04-21T02:09:17.000Z> rudrajade: Would there be a chance to have NPC allies, or is that too tough to manage?
<2021-04-21T02:30:38.000Z> tengumatingpress: I'll have to check
<2021-04-21T02:30:52.000Z> tengumatingpress: I might offload them to PCs if you mean henchmen
<2021-04-21T02:31:15.000Z> tengumatingpress: like I'd generally let players control their actions unless they  tried something I feel merits a veto
<2021-04-21T02:31:30.000Z> tengumatingpress: like ordering someone not willing to die for them to do something obviously dangerous
<2021-04-23T20:24:44.000Z> rudrajade: Read the post with that american sun article.  You nailed the part with the leftwing pagans rebelling christianity because they hate their fathers.
<2021-04-23T20:28:54.000Z> rudrajade: Ungrateful parental hate is a common theme among the left.    Even on that coomsoom side doesn't think that much even with that comic propaganda.
<2021-04-23T20:37:28.000Z> rudrajade: What I noticed about the Pagan groups on the right is there's a schism between those that actually believe in the gods and mythology, and those who correlate the gods as forces of nature, and that schism has been somewhat vicious.
<2021-04-23T23:57:12.000Z> tengumatingpress: tbh both can be true
<2021-04-23T23:57:39.000Z> tengumatingpress: though I might be misapplying buddhism's trikaya doctrine for these things
<2021-04-23T23:58:13.000Z> tengumatingpress: you know, with the dharmakaya as the pure form of buddhas, sambhogakaya as the symbolic meaning, and nirmanakaya as the incarnate physical form
<2021-04-23T23:58:40.000Z> tengumatingpress: I'd say there are interesting parallels between classical paganism and buddhism, but that could result from the shared Indo-Aryan source, idk
<2021-04-23T23:58:42.000Z> tengumatingpress: I'm not a scholar
<2021-04-24T00:57:09.000Z> rudrajade: The indo-aryan religion was more akin to Hinduism.  Some believe that Buddhism came a long time after that.
<2021-04-24T00:57:39.000Z> rudrajade: Back btw
<2021-04-24T00:58:11.000Z> rudrajade: The GURPS system looks pretty fun, it doesn't seem too complex at first but I'll have to look into the other books.
<2021-04-24T00:58:22.000Z> rudrajade: But I'm game.
<2021-04-24T01:04:54.000Z> tengumatingpress: >The indo-aryan religion was more akin to Hinduism.  Some believe that Buddhism came a long time after that.yeah but the general worldview is somewhat similar to the more intellectual forms of hinduism
<2021-04-24T01:05:05.000Z> tengumatingpress: though advaita vedanta was a direct response to buddhism lol
<2021-04-24T01:05:09.000Z> tengumatingpress: and that's good
<2021-04-24T01:05:38.000Z> tengumatingpress: did I provide a list of what splatbooks I wanted to use? they add a bit of complexity, but nothing unmanageable I think
<2021-04-24T01:05:53.000Z> rudrajade: I don't think you did..
<2021-04-24T01:06:26.000Z> tengumatingpress: alright, if you've got the basics of the system, check out Low Tech, Martial Arts, and Thaumatology: Ritual Path Magic
<2021-04-24T01:06:51.000Z> tengumatingpress: also Pyramid 3/83: The Last Gasp, which is sort of an expansion of the combat system that adds action points and makes fatigue penalties more brutal
<2021-04-24T01:07:21.000Z> rudrajade: I'll note those down\
<2021-04-24T01:07:22.000Z> tengumatingpress: shit, I meant Pyramid 3/44
<2021-04-24T01:07:40.000Z> tengumatingpress: I'd like some impressions from a beginner to see if they're unmanageable 
<2021-04-24T01:07:53.000Z> tengumatingpress: I've already mentioned the basic premise so you know what to keep in mind, yes?
<2021-04-24T01:08:16.000Z> rudrajade: Yes
<2021-04-24T01:08:23.000Z> tengumatingpress: alright, cool
<2021-04-24T01:08:47.000Z> tengumatingpress: still not sure if I'll set it in the real world/real world alike, probably will while making it clear historical accuracy isn't the focus
<2021-04-24T01:09:09.000Z> rudrajade: Colonal-era setting with the age of exploration, so far the players would be pirates heading to an unknown continent
<2021-04-24T01:09:39.000Z> tengumatingpress: that's right, though they might also start off as agents of a government
<2021-04-24T01:09:48.000Z> tengumatingpress: the two historically wouldn't be mutually exclusive though
<2021-04-24T01:09:54.000Z> rudrajade: Inhabitants will include both monsters and montergirls.
<2021-04-24T01:10:11.000Z> rudrajade: Who says it has to be only one country/kingdom?
<2021-04-24T01:10:22.000Z> tengumatingpress: nobody
<2021-04-24T01:10:35.000Z> rudrajade: Though one country/kingdom would be easier to handle
<2021-04-24T01:10:36.000Z> tengumatingpress: I was thinking for flavor sake the PCs would be Spanish, French, or British
<2021-04-24T01:10:44.000Z> tengumatingpress: probably Spanish tbh
<2021-04-24T01:11:18.000Z> tengumatingpress: I've spent more time thinking of the continent than the actual old world situation tbh
<2021-04-24T01:11:43.000Z> rudrajade: establishing more of the lore?
<2021-04-24T01:11:59.000Z> tengumatingpress: ?
<2021-04-24T01:13:25.000Z> rudrajade: You spent more time thinking of the unknown continent, but not much of the other places, right?
<2021-04-24T01:13:31.000Z> tengumatingpress: yes
<2021-04-24T01:13:43.000Z> rudrajade: Hence my comment earlier
<2021-04-24T01:14:29.000Z> tengumatingpress: ah, right
<2021-04-24T01:14:57.000Z> tengumatingpress: I was thinking there'd be something that would happen later to effectively trap the PCs in the new world 
<2021-04-24T01:25:39.000Z> rudrajade: How prevalent is magic in this setting?
<2021-04-24T01:25:51.000Z> rudrajade: Not just this continent, but in other places?
<2021-04-24T01:27:43.000Z> tengumatingpress: old world not unheard of, but fairly rare and most mages keep quiet about it
<2021-04-24T01:27:47.000Z> tengumatingpress: the new world is definitely high-mana
<2021-04-24T01:28:20.000Z> rudrajade: So a player can have knowledge if they were a part of a mage's order, or some other piece of the setting that allows it
<2021-04-24T01:28:32.000Z> rudrajade: Depends if a country has a secretive mage service or contract.
<2021-04-24T01:29:22.000Z> tengumatingpress: it's more the domain of scholars, lunatics, esotericists 
<2021-04-24T01:39:32.000Z> rudrajade: So it's a neutral party to the country?
<2021-04-24T01:41:46.000Z> rudrajade: Hm.  Are the magic users scorned in general or no?  I should have been more clear about that.
<2021-04-24T11:22:04.000Z> tengumatingpress: I see them as generally being feared in their homelands
<2021-04-24T11:22:14.000Z> tengumatingpress: might be the domain of bandits
<2021-04-24T14:09:18.000Z> tengumatingpress: it might be better if I go full isekai with it, or something like that
<2021-04-24T14:09:52.000Z> tengumatingpress: like it started off as a colony of Spaniards or whatever and then some magic within the continent kicked in, the old inhabitants returned, and the guys there were effectively trapped there 
<2021-04-24T23:37:43.000Z> tengumatingpress: btw I forgot to recommend this
<2021-04-24T23:37:59.000Z> tengumatingpress: instead of reading GURPS Lite or the Basic Set, I'd actually recommend reading DFRPG Adventurers and Exploits
<2021-04-24T23:38:12.000Z> tengumatingpress: it can be found in a subfolder in under Dungeon Fantasy