<2022-05-09T23:47:56.000Z> pussymagic: Dimes!  Whats up dude.  
<2022-05-09T23:48:22.000Z> pussymagic: Sign me up as your tenth follower,  Shit's doin numbers!
<2022-05-09T23:54:25.000Z> pussymagic: We got lolbertarian juuuuuuuudas on here?
<2022-05-10T00:00:36.000Z> pussymagic: Number 1 fan, bro.  
<2022-05-10T00:00:42.000Z> pussymagic: Or number 10th.  
<2022-05-10T00:02:22.000Z> pussymagic: I post the show on NHTB, a forum no one goes to, and the five members there all refuse to listen so I effort post shit they refuse to read.  
<2022-05-10T00:02:38.000Z> pussymagic: Kind of have a thing going. 
<2022-05-10T00:02:42.000Z> pussymagic: Keep up the good work.
<2022-05-10T00:02:45.000Z> pussymagic: Good talk. 
<2022-05-10T19:58:47.000Z> Dimes: Hahaha thanks man!
<2022-05-10T19:59:37.000Z> Dimes: Yeah not a lot of people on Poast, I'm trying to get more people on here. For some reason people were thinking Twitter was gonna welcome everyone back and I've been banned like 6 times so that ship's GONE
<2022-05-10T20:00:22.000Z> Dimes: I'm just gonna keep following guys I know and seethe when they don't follow back HHHHNNNNGGGGGG
<2022-05-13T03:37:15.000Z> pussymagic: kikes are blocking my messages!  
<2022-05-13T03:37:21.000Z> pussymagic: Unacceptable.  
<2022-05-13T03:37:42.000Z> pussymagic: Previously sent- Here's your show thread- forum.nobodyhasthe.biz/t/spencer-puddy/13795You should join forum under different handle and we can go back and forth in thread saying THIS SHOW IS AMAZING. It's an orphan TRS forum, for those who want to trash talkSome other important threads- forum.nobodyhasthe.biz/t/caught-borzoi-posting-this-on-fedi/14384forum.nobodyhasthe.biz/t/borzoi-caught-in-dms/14432forum.nobodyhasthe.biz/t/joined-poa-st-so-i-can-post-god-thats-gay/14567/Don't tell Borzoi.
<2022-05-15T14:01:27.000Z> Dimes: Hahahaa thanks man, I'll check it out
<2022-05-16T20:44:55.000Z> pussymagic: Great!  So I'll put you down for 2 sets of steak knives and when can we expect your profile registration at NHTB?  
<2022-05-16T21:55:01.000Z> pussymagic: So there's another guy on the forum that can discuss Adam Katz and shit like that.  
<2022-05-16T21:55:08.000Z> pussymagic: I'm thinking you're going to be the 3rd.  
<2022-05-16T21:55:15.000Z> pussymagic: Don't let me down, Dimes
<2022-06-05T16:12:12.000Z> pussymagic: Dimes, baby, this shit is hot!  
<2022-06-05T16:12:35.000Z> pussymagic: forum.nobodyhasthe.biz/t/new-borzoi-just-dropped/14720
<2022-06-16T18:52:21.000Z> Dimes: This is pretty cool forum software, I haven't used one in awhile but this looks slick
<2022-07-04T02:06:34.000Z> pussymagic: Dimes, baby, the last few episodes have been on point.  Nice work.  
<2022-07-04T02:06:41.000Z> pussymagic: Or wok, as the asians say
<2022-07-04T02:10:16.000Z> pussymagic: I'm an irredenist forum poster.  These node-style social media apps are ok for emergence but they suffer from an inability to extend form through time. 
<2022-07-04T02:11:39.000Z> pussymagic: Forums at least channel eyes through a common homepage, easier to imprint people with common message.  Plus develop ideas at length.
<2022-07-04T02:13:50.000Z> pussymagic: I'm mid-way through this weekend's episode.  In the second hour in relation to cybernetics you were speaking about human cognition being in relation to a bundle of references, not individual signs but their aggregate and interlocking meaning and context.  This is Being for Heidegger.
<2022-07-04T02:15:35.000Z> pussymagic: Did you create a sock account at the NHTB forum?  
<2022-07-04T02:17:39.000Z> pussymagic: Not gonna lie dude, I was encouraged to hear the interest in Being and entropy this week.  I've been trying to work these ideas into the alt right populist base for few years now.   They don't really get it.  I bet you'd understand a lot of what I post.  
<2022-07-04T02:18:22.000Z> pussymagic: IMO this is basically the issue with Western European whites
<2022-07-04T02:27:14.000Z> pussymagic: gameruprising.to/index.php?threads/braincel-poll-are-you-more-or-less-familiar-with-being-vs-becoming-dichotomy.36781/
<2022-07-04T02:27:45.000Z> pussymagic: Stormer can be read without logging in
<2022-07-04T02:27:51.000Z> pussymagic: gameruprising.to/index.php?threads/side-quest-who-will-join-with-me-in-calling-plato-a-nigger.35863/
<2022-07-04T02:28:16.000Z> pussymagic: I'm a shitposter, not a philosophy dweeb.  But these ideas need to be grasped along the base.  
<2022-07-04T02:30:30.000Z> pussymagic: Also, John David Ebert's interview with Dugin on his youtube channel is interesting in a basic overview way. 
<2022-07-04T02:43:20.000Z> pussymagic: Ok ok ok, check this one out
<2022-07-04T02:43:33.000Z> pussymagic: On entropy...  
<2022-07-04T02:43:36.000Z> pussymagic: gameruprising.to/index.php?threads/can-things-get-worse.34492/#post-658188
<2022-07-04T02:43:51.000Z> pussymagic: Bro.  We have the same brain.  
<2022-07-04T02:43:59.000Z> pussymagic: DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
<2022-07-04T02:44:05.000Z> pussymagic: Of course you do.  
<2022-07-28T13:06:02.000Z> Dimes: Yeah I created an account on the forum, haven't checked it as much recently and I always forget to check poast so apologies for delayed response. That's great news about you liking these ideas too, a lot of people dismiss them out of hand for being satanic or whatever but once you get into it, it's not only interesting but practical
<2022-07-28T13:06:28.000Z> Dimes: Gonna check the Gamer Uprising links, I have an account there too but kept forgetting to check (permanently tabbed on my phone though.) There is a book thread on there I found really useful
<2022-08-01T20:40:50.000Z> pussymagic: The western tradition has 2 ontological polarities, let's call them Idealist and Materialist.  Both are insufficient, and in that sense wrong.  The generative paradigms which our circles have discussed via Girard, Gans, Katz are downstream of Heidegger and represent an alternative.  This paradigm is that we socially generate the transcendental conditions of our own (collective/cultural) understanding.  And in this fashion, the material "comes into view".  This understanding is very helpful for guiding "activism", which presently opts for either one or both of our more customary inclinations.  
<2022-08-01T20:45:10.000Z> pussymagic: The constant observation / critique you have that most in movement can't seem to accommodate the perspective of our target - other whites - and instead are ham handed and antagonistic is actually a critique that they are dominated by our traditional ontological assumptions, believing they can ride "ideology" (a purely transcendent proposition) or material "facts" to victory.  They need to "shock" the normie, not accommodate him.  You often ground this critique on your experience in marketing, which innately prioritizes perspective of target. 
<2022-08-01T20:47:28.000Z> pussymagic: If these hambones instead favored Heidegger, they'd grasp something more in line with your perspective.  That the normie (or any target group) is only accessible via the transcendent propositions they themselves have constructed.  They exist within them.  The material body and transcendent grasp are symbiotic, there is no possibility of split.  Or rather the condition of split is simply unintelligibility.  Which of course means shutting down any avenue of influence.  
<2022-08-01T20:49:20.000Z> pussymagic: You must become the normie to command the normie.  The Strkerization of TRS has been a flaming pile of retardation.  
<2022-08-01T20:50:44.000Z> pussymagic: But the anti-Americanism of Faust is superficial.  I'm going to join your telegram (once I get a second phone) and tell him to his FACE.  ALL Western European derived populations share the same problems stemming from shared ontological assumptions.  
<2022-08-01T20:51:28.000Z> pussymagic: This comes to mind after listening to Cultured Thug interview.  He has same issue.  He
<2022-08-01T20:52:32.000Z> pussymagic: 's not socially retarded.  But in terms of really breaking out, "idealism" and "fanaticism" are predicated on something other than generative paradigm.
<2022-08-12T05:38:20.000Z> pussymagic: Nice job on the Katz interview.  One of the better one's he's done.  Not easy to go toe to toe, since his theory is so internally developed, with its own technical terms and micro concerns.  
<2022-08-12T05:39:53.000Z> pussymagic: But I think the distance betwen you not being inside that technical discourse opened up his responses, got him to talk more freely when trying to connect back to your inputs.  
<2022-08-12T05:48:26.000Z> pussymagic: Always feel sorry for the guy since he's a zionist jew and well, we're gonna have to put him on a train. But whatever! That's for later, not now. 
<2022-08-17T12:30:33.000Z> Dimes: I just want to say that these posts are extremely insightful, don't mind my pithy short responses, I am really into unpacking these ideas right now
<2022-08-17T12:31:12.000Z> Dimes: I might just read these on the show, if you would permit that
<2022-08-17T12:35:00.000Z> Dimes: And yeah Faust is a bit of a character (although way less than how he writes online,) and when it comes to guys like him I forgive a lot of this stuff because (I was thinking about this just the other day actually,) I don't assign him the job of being an expert on that. I see him as a frontlines guy, a walk the walk guy, like for example how he really hates women. He says women are all retards with no purpose, and my stance was: well it's not really his job to find out what to do with women, that's okay to vent, his "thing" is really on-the-ground activism so a lot of these guys can just vent however they want and I won't push back on it. And sometimes I get dinged with being too forgiving and cool with people, but I guess I'm just a huge gold hearted teddy bear
<2022-08-17T12:36:43.000Z> Dimes: And with Katz yeah that was the goal, even Judas pointed out it was pretty balanced and it helped that I read a lot of extra stuff before we spoke. The funny thing is for these interviews I have a lot prepared that we never really get to, and we can often spend an hour in one area and just riff off that. With Katz the goal was, can I make this big idea palatable to our audience, AND perhaps address some of the valid criticisms I had read (there was a whole essay in Firstness Journal about it for example.)
<2022-08-17T12:37:21.000Z> Dimes: And to be honest we were laughing about how, you could not have picked a more Jewish *sounding* guy either lol
<2022-08-17T12:38:20.000Z> Dimes: But part of me also thinks, it must be wild for him to exist in this scene and to be so popular with our types. I sent him the clip and not the full episode because I was wondering, shit did we do a lot of Holocaust jokes in this one
<2022-08-17T12:40:56.000Z> Dimes: And I think based on what you said you may like the next interview lined up, with Tyler Hamilton. He discussed Phenomenology and I think where it leads is a discussion of what we are talking about, how you cannot do what the NRx/post-Left types do and demarcate "power" as just this entity in itself, and talk of "power behaves thustly." You can KIND OF do that like when we spoke of game Theory and Mearsheimer, but they use it to give this very familiar Marxist critique that the only thing that exists is the central ideology/cathedral and everything is just smoke and mirrors. Anyway point being, Hamilton makes the case for like you said exploring the symbiosis between these things. 
<2022-08-17T12:42:47.000Z> Dimes: Once again I want to thank you for sending these messages, I really do appreciate them and you have some extremely good insight on these points
<2022-08-19T18:39:11.000Z> pussymagic: Bossman, we're all part of the same scene.  I'm personally limited by tech at the moment - I practice a strict no breadcrumbs strategy, even if it means not being able to get on some of these popular platforms like telegram.  I actually worry about you guys in canada and guys like joel in australia.  The satellite anglo countries all have laws on books where "what you meant" is going to mean shit.  They will interpret as needed to hinder and even injure you.  I'd prefer you guys use the reality of this hyperreality we're building - consciousness translated into bits - to "announce" you've all moved to the States and are now broadcasting from there now.  In this way, you are shielded from prosecution by home country legislation.  I was reading some old time english blog - the guy went to court and won because he set his blog up as hosted and admin'd by a stateside representative.  He, therefore, had not "published" anything outside of British law.  I'm sure I bookmarked that blog post of his - was surprising to randomly come across it.  But we have to keep in mind, the UK has had these speech laws for a long time.  Australia passed some in 2017.  At that time, a lot of "dingos" participating in TRS scene permanently deleted (it didn't help that TRS at the time was gearing up for the various public events that led up to public shitshows).  
<2022-08-19T18:39:35.000Z> pussymagic: *isn't going to mean shit
<2022-08-19T18:41:21.000Z> pussymagic: Point being - in these early days - leading talent needs to remain viable.  We can't accommodate doxxes and disavowals with limited talent.  I'm thinking of everyone that was once around Spencer.  One lawyer committed suicide.  Another talented guy moved to norway and disavowed.  It's better to build the digital consciousness in the shadows.  It does grow.  
<2022-08-19T18:48:52.000Z> pussymagic: I read the firstness piece "GA is bullshit".   I thought it was kind of weak, tbh.  Seemed like Joel just reaching for something, to kind of mark some distance from the thought and that phase of his intellectual development.  Plus as I recall there were some spelling errors.  I first heard of that scene by seeing Imperious who was kind of a nebbish annoying people on twitter.  He started trying to tutor Spencer over the phone, until Spencer eventually stopped taking his calls, and his lib gf was left to feel sorry for the spurned Imperious.  But prior to that, Imperious announced on twitter he had made connections that will change direction of movement, this was Dec 2018 I think.   Anyway, I followed his posting back to Katz and plus followed Joel since he first appeared on TrueDilToms show.  Before Katz's book came out, I went looking for anything by him I could find.  I found an interview wherein he described GA as "jewish social theory".  And an earlier chapter he had written for some PoMo book, arguing that Jews were being denied their rightful place and participation in the grievance industry and stack.  Maybe he changed??  But the incorporation of Moldbug - which means Katz diagnosis is that we must honor and obey the center - meant the entire thing was Judaizing.  Placing the jew as "first" at center, and re-mapping gentile violence as jealousy and this creates the instability of the modern world.  
<2022-08-19T18:50:14.000Z> pussymagic: Chris Bond also diagnoses that we need to submit to center.  The center is acting out - or rather we're forcing the center to act against us - because our refusal to submit is creating a threat and thereby instability.  
<2022-08-19T18:55:32.000Z> pussymagic: So what I see... is this fundamental "structure" wherein human sociality and imitation sets the grounds for concept formation, and "shared mind".  This is really our world in its totality - we "know" the world and ourselves through this phenomenological construction, that really traces its origin back to the fact that "Mind" is really divided from "material" - mind / body or mind / material split.  WE exist as body, as material.  But that's not the contents of our "mind".  The content of our mind is an aftereffect of two (or more) bodies sharing experience in the moment, "freezing" it so to speak as intersubjective "shared intentionality".  This starts generating "units" of thought, concepts, through which we assign "meaning" to a material world (we live within and are of) but which on its own lacks such "meaning".  
<2022-08-19T18:59:27.000Z> pussymagic: This is the beginning structure within Girard, within Gans, Katz, Bond, etc.  Michael Tomasello.  But they each do something different with it, take it or shape it to different conclusions.   
<2022-08-19T19:00:53.000Z> pussymagic: I don't think we need to "lessen mimetic violence".  Instead, I think we need to increase mimesis - understand it is the origin of thought, and by originating the units of thought, you in effect also create deterministic outcomes.  You don't argue to a different conclusion.  You instead create new and different units of thought which then come together in different form, this is a "new world".  
<2022-08-19T19:01:04.000Z> pussymagic: The issue our guys have is they do not start at this point of generation. (And thus they do not adopt or honor social cues that would facilitate the interaction that stimulates it).  
<2022-08-19T19:01:47.000Z> pussymagic: This last point you often critique - your background in marketing, which I share, tells you to prioritize reception and audience.  
<2022-08-19T19:03:37.000Z> pussymagic: Our guys start with "given" things.  Material facts are given... the problem is ... we just need to get them inside people's heads!   Or transcendent "principles" "truths" or "laws" are given.  In fact they precede us!  Truth cannot be contingent on our participation!  That's relativism!   This all given, we just need to.... get people to "understand" order according to such "truths", "ideology", whatever.   
<2022-08-19T19:04:38.000Z> pussymagic: Hard disagree all around.  The "last mile problem" - of getting stuff "inside people's heads" - arises BECAUSE you're starting with all things "given", all units of thought "given", whether they be fact (material) or truth (metaphysical).   
<2022-08-19T19:05:34.000Z> pussymagic: The last mile problem of connecting is resolved if you first start at the generative posture - all such things, all such "units" must be created.  Their existence in fact depends on their "connection", their existence "inside people's heads".   Truth is contingent on our presence.  
<2022-08-19T19:07:33.000Z> pussymagic: Thammy will reject this, by the way :)   His religious commitment will demand that he does so.  
<2022-08-19T19:07:52.000Z> pussymagic: Faust will also reject.  Modernity and natural sciences demand that he does so.  
<2022-08-19T19:08:16.000Z> pussymagic: But we're interested in the condition of man, which long precedes modernity.  And has seen various iterations of "god". 
<2022-08-19T19:08:21.000Z> pussymagic: Anyway... I find this stuff compelling, but more importantly that it opens up new strategic horizons and guidance.  You can reference anything I ever write, just obfuscate the profile handle.  I use different ones all over.  
<2022-08-19T19:08:59.000Z> pussymagic: I effort post to inject these ideas into various cliques.  I consider myself a popularizer of all the good ideas we have floating around.  
<2022-08-19T19:19:43.000Z> pussymagic: Today's posts - which are kind of good actually, some ideas really coming together - are here: 
<2022-08-19T19:19:51.000Z> pussymagic: gameruprising.to/index.php?threads/blood-soil-and-faith-%E2%80%93-the-fundamental-building-blocks-of-a-nation-part-ii-soil.42031/
<2022-08-19T19:20:12.000Z> pussymagic: and here: gameruprising.to/index.php?threads/sam-harris-approves-of-media-misinforming-voters-to-stop-trump.42124/
<2022-08-20T19:27:25.000Z> pussymagic: Back at it today- gameruprising.to/index.php?threads/contrarian-jew-jeffrey-sachs-says-biden-too-extreme-against-china.42183/post-802404
<2022-08-20T19:27:59.000Z> pussymagic: Niggas must learn
<2022-08-26T01:05:20.000Z> pussymagic: Ka ra TAY
<2022-08-26T01:05:53.000Z> pussymagic: When you guys mentioned BAP naked men, you were misinterpreting what he's doing.   
<2022-08-26T01:07:03.000Z> pussymagic: First of all BAP is a mischling.  And Baptized (but not confirmed).   I take his mother is Christian and his dad is nosey.  
<2022-08-26T01:09:16.000Z> pussymagic: In eastern europe, the Christain religion was still dominant. So expectation for a mixed couple was that the Christian side would get priority.   Used to be same way here, but is now totally inverted.  Mixed couples convert to kike demon worship.   
<2022-08-26T01:13:38.000Z> pussymagic: The other thing you need to understand about BAP is his phd in political philosophy was Straussian. A people are a synthesis of their transcendent ideas and physical form. Whereas Trotskyites relentlessly attacked gentile transcendent ideas, Strauss innovated by grasping that if you want power over the gentile, you get that by speaking through HIS ideas, validating his forms. This insight shows up in Strauss very early, 1930s. 
<2022-08-26T01:14:05.000Z> pussymagic: So part of what BAP is doing is seeking power by speaking through gentile forms.  
<2022-08-26T01:15:57.000Z> pussymagic: The second thing, and more important, is that he's using a "centered" paradigm.  The "center" works through capturing attention.  Shared attention, joint intentionality is the precursor to concept formation, even passively.  
<2022-08-26T01:16:25.000Z> pussymagic: Thamster "analyzing" body builders as a thing-in-themselves is simply the wrong paradigm to draw any conclusions.  
<2022-08-26T01:17:24.000Z> pussymagic: The presuppositions of Christianity also mostly rejects a generative ontology based on centering.  
<2022-09-02T23:02:28.000Z> Dimes: This is a good series of takes, I am way on the outside of the BAP thing. I am considering just buying the book and starting from zero to get my arms around this, kinda like I was trying to do with Duginism. Despite my best efforts I see BAP brought up a lot and I just wanna figure out what all this shit is about
<2022-09-02T23:03:43.000Z> Dimes: I think I wanna dive deeper into this, cause while we did an overview of some of the more popular Marxist concepts I want to go into Leftist tactics of subversion. I have a lot of reading lined up for how this is done by various groups and I think this would be a good addition
<2022-09-02T23:10:04.000Z> Dimes: I am reading through the threads you shared too, I wanna bring up some of the stuff you mentioned on the show. I rarely see people talking about these ideas with similar depth, if you're in  marketing too that's really cool. And like you said, we prioritize the audience reception which I think is important to bring to the table. Once I would talk to people privately about how to conceptualize groups/demographics, and not just "normie," it was like a light went off in their mind 
<2022-09-03T10:46:34.000Z> Dimes: Also in regards to the Sam Harris link, I had that on the docket to bring up over the past couple weeks but never got around to it. I wanna circle back and see his response now that it seems everyone was mocking him for it. I heard some interesting takes about him as an individual, and I like people who point out all he has done is master this manner of speaking that seems calm and methodical, like he sounds like he is carefully taking his time with whatever he is saying, but then he just says some insanely stupid thing
<2022-09-03T10:55:36.000Z> Dimes: "The last mile problem of connecting is resolved if you first start at the generative posture - all such things, all such "units" must be created.  Their existence in fact depends on their "connection", their existence "inside people's heads".   Truth is contingent on our presence.  " This is really where I am at, in the sense that in a way when people are exposed to our ideas I think for many there is a realization that it aligns with their instincts, their experience, and what they see around them. However a lot of what we are against, to them reads as true. They really believe it, whether it was propagandized fiercely or fed by degrees over generations. You know one way I've been conceptualizing myself, and by extension all humans, is as a sort of reconfiguring pattern. When people talk about genes and blood memory and some of this trad stuff, they ARE correct in that sense that biologically we want to duplicate and there are evolutionary rules to that. But a lot of the guys in our scene are obsessed with stasis, or making something that lasts 10,000 years (many Asians are like this too.) A lot of ideologies are like this, that we create one perfect system that solves all our problems, and we just live inside of it. I think guys like Keith Woods and that group are really into creating that sort of structure. But I find I take way more of a holistic view now, and I am obviously still working on how to express this best to the audience, but I found Edward Dutton actually did a good job of this. His model of the world is all scientific, but he sorts things into Adaptive Vs. Maladaptive characteristics, and he actually puts religion as adaptive. Maladaptive would be anything degenerate that ultimately causes you not to reproduce, and he makes a solid case for religion and organized spirituality being biologically good. And I look at Moldbug's manifesto thing and he is trying to say "vitalism" is the thing that can Unite The Right (unlikely) and I think people are working towards the same bedrock here. 
<2022-09-03T21:12:45.000Z> pussymagic: Well, I'm feeling p. blackpilled on the scene lately, tbh.   The messaging TRS is putting out - to disengage - is just so lame.  I chalk it up to those guys being nerds.  Nerd doesn't indicate intelligent, as far as I'm concerned.   It's more a social stance, of rejecting (even pre-emptively rejecting) "mainstream" social structures and instead choosing to retreat into an alternative value system.  The significance of nerds is not that they fail mainstream social expectations or pressures.  But instead it's that nerds construct their own social systems, sets of values wherein they're no longer "nerds".   That dox of Borzoi was just painful. He was that guy that lacked basic hygiene into his last years of high school.  
<2022-09-03T21:14:53.000Z> pussymagic: I'm not sure nerds ever change.  It's tough because ALL of "western" culture - particularly Anglosphere - is "counter culture".  Transitory cliques seeking differentiation from the mainstream.  
<2022-09-03T21:17:13.000Z> pussymagic: So the nerd blends right into this - it's his own impulse.  Find an alternative set of people to validate their own comfort zone.   Enoch was a nerd.  McNabb was a nerd.  Sven idolized weirdo passive-aggressive 90s musicians.  There's no impulse within that crew to go TOWARDS the mainstream, to re-establish a mainstream, and conquer.   Which is, socially, what's needed.  How to reconstruct a primary culture.  
<2022-09-03T21:20:21.000Z> pussymagic: In terms of what you say above about some guys trying to find a system to then "live within".   My basic perspective is to divide the world into 2 concepts.   One is traditional western metaphysics, the other is generative (which would be labelled "nihilistic" by our metaphysical standards - if the human anthropological community "generates" its own metaphysical concepts, then these concepts don't precede them, exist outside the human.   
<2022-09-03T21:22:10.000Z> pussymagic: I try to get people to "picture" what our metaphysical way of being looks like, how would on draw it?    You know the movie Truman Show, where he's sails his boat to the edge of the bubble he lives within an hits the wall?   Our world concept is similar, as if we lived within an encased layer of axioms or principals, etc.  
<2022-09-03T21:26:02.000Z> pussymagic: I use this example sometimes - I say to someone "you and I will never travel to Antarctica.  BUT we both already know that anything we might find there will answer to the same physical laws that we take to govern phenomena we experience where we presently stand."   This is to say when we look at something in today's world, we understand it through reference to something else - to an assumed layer of scientific laws, "truth", even ethics.   The Western mind is one that projects this encasement.  These everywhere present laws govern reality, and they precede us as material beings.   We then enter into the scene as a material body - our presence is taken as given.  We take all material entities we encounter along the same lines.  
<2022-09-03T21:28:33.000Z> pussymagic: This would be a Modern world concept - one of universal laws.   But we can see its blueprint in christian monotheism - god just occupies the governing layer.  And before that, it's a Neoplatonic philosophical construct, the One.  It's all essentially the same way of thinking - a mental "system" unbounded by space and time with a logical apex value.  
<2022-09-03T21:31:40.000Z> pussymagic: The opposing concept would be the generative perspective - there is no prior "layer" encasing the world or ourselves.  As social beings, we as a group generate our own transcendent concepts, and we engage with the world and each other *through* these mental constructs.  We're inside an "encasement" - a transcendent layer - but it doesn't pre-exist us, and it's not unbounded in extent or geography.  It encases us, and moves with us through time.  If we depart from the scene, so to does this transcendent layer of order lending meaning to the world.   
<2022-09-03T21:34:34.000Z> pussymagic: So this is like Rene Girard's "anthropology" - his insight that the human mimics desire socially, and this focused attention creates our common concepts. Girard then goes on to read everything backwards, IMO.  That mimicry is essentially negative.  Leads to competition because it leads to similarity.  And that competition (of imitating desire for the same thing) leads to violence.  And he believes this accounts for the sacrificial rituals that center all human orders.  And that the release of violence returns the community to normal.  Until the cycle happens again...  
<2022-09-03T21:37:02.000Z> pussymagic: Gans reworks the patterning, and uses it to account for emergence of language.  That the shared mimicry creates shared focus and mental states (which can be named, or gestured to).  But he uses the gesturing or naming to still function as a de-escalation tool, "the gesture of deferred desire".  
<2022-09-03T21:37:43.000Z> pussymagic: In terms of discussing the inter-social mechanics that "generate" shared attention, focus and thus mindstates, this all seems overly negative.  
<2022-09-03T21:39:17.000Z> pussymagic: The fact that humans mimic each other, and that this forms foundation for common mind states - intersubjectivity, two or more subjects sharing same mind state - this is an unambiguous positive.  We couldn't generate the complexity of our mental mappings without such intense drive to emulate one another.  
<2022-09-03T21:40:37.000Z> pussymagic: So I see 2 opposing world concepts - one projects an encasement around all of the world, and all material beings within are understood in relation to the principles that define the encasement - "truth", present state of scientific knowledge, etc.   
<2022-09-03T21:41:08.000Z> pussymagic: In this world concept, the principals of the encasement are taken to pre-exist as external to ourselves.  
<2022-09-03T21:42:49.000Z> pussymagic: In the opposing world concept, we exist within an encasement - also of "truth" or present extent of knowledge - but it is highly localized to the anthropological unit.  It originates from them as a second order phenomena of their social existence.  That they "generate" shared transcendent concepts which then lend form to their world and all phenomena therein.   
<2022-09-03T21:43:25.000Z> pussymagic: One is an encasement of the entire world, ourselves included within.  The other is an encasement of ourselves, as we exist temporally in the world.  
<2022-09-03T21:43:53.000Z> pussymagic: These two opposing world concepts suggest different "keys" to the kingdom.   
<2022-09-03T21:46:03.000Z> pussymagic: The first is knowledge or understanding - identifying the ultimate order that constitutes the global encasement.  The second is participatory - engaging the social processes that themselves generate any such order, any such principles.  There is nothing to "understand" or grasp prior to some social or anthropological unit engaging recursive participatory social interactions. 
<2022-09-03T21:48:27.000Z> pussymagic: The simplifying and flattening out these two opposing wold concepts seems to point nationalism towards the second.  We're not searching for the ultimate ordering principals of the universe (as if plebs could leverage such a thing should they ever find it).  Instead, as social beings, we have the potential to generate the social understanding which then orders the world for us.  If such generation of ideas is based on imitation, that implies similarity - that physical similarity, ie race, is the foundation to facilitating imitation.  
<2022-09-03T21:49:45.000Z> pussymagic: So all these crews that either declare an ideology or endeavor to discover one are essentially off on a lark.  A journey of "understanding", but what is produced if nothing pre-exists to understand?  The assumption the ordering layer exists prior to us is unfounded.   
<2022-09-03T21:50:57.000Z> pussymagic: This is of course wacky thinking in terms of modernism, and natural sciences, which are worldviews predicated on the assumption such knowledge is "out there".  And it's the presupposition of assumed order that sets us off to indeed find it.  
<2022-09-03T21:51:48.000Z> pussymagic: But if one conceptualizes the human being as ultimately subject to a pre-determined, pre-existing dispensation of order or governing principles, then that human is reduced to materials being acted upon.  
<2022-09-03T21:57:23.000Z> pussymagic: Anywho, I saw that John David ebert announced a course on German Idealism.  He's doing these paid things.  The announcement itself though was a nice synopsis explaining the innovation in German idealism.  The opposing Rationalists and empricists both project a world of pre-existing laws.  For the rationalists, these are fundamental ideas that humans simply possess.  Like Plato's theory of knowledge is that we "remember" the highest concepts, developing an understanding of the forms is reconnecting with pre-existing eternal knowledge.   For the empricists, these principals still exist, we just must find them via experience.  The empiricist is still projecting an ordered world.  The German idealists posit that man's brain itself adds order to the world, orders our perceptions, adds form to whatever exists beyond us.   The ideas above are downstream from this, where the ordering concepts are socially generated rather than just part of human cognition.   
<2022-09-03T21:59:39.000Z> pussymagic: I think the benefit of this line of thought is that it guides how to DO nationalism.  Not what nationalism "is".  Or "how to understand nationalism".   But to instead take nationalism as a social process.  Something that is done.  For this, one takes one of these social generative models, discards the negative concepts that imitation is bad.  And then models how the parts, social roles or positions function vis a vis each other.  How does a transcendent idea socially emerge?   
<2022-09-03T22:00:15.000Z> pussymagic: Do we look out at the world and see any such model in action? 
<2022-09-03T22:00:56.000Z> pussymagic: Does modeling internal dynamics give guidance on how to interact with any such models already in operation?   Does modeling the internal dynamics give guidance on constructing such social events ourselves?  
<2022-09-03T22:02:09.000Z> pussymagic: These all seem like straight forward yes answers to me.  And that's the direction people centered in this thing should be propagating.
<2022-09-04T01:36:53.000Z> pussymagic: Chris Bond is back: youtube.com/channel/UC34kukV23WrQQ9aIzz24nDQ/videos
<2022-09-04T01:38:27.000Z> pussymagic: I follow this podcast, to understand the judeo-BoomerCon angle: powerlineblog.com/archives/category/podcasts
<2022-09-04T01:39:34.000Z> pussymagic: You should read these two essays for introduction: css.cua.edu/humanitas_journal/leo-strauss-history-philosopher-conspirator/css.cua.edu/humanitas_journal/allan-bloom-straussian-alienation/
<2022-09-11T11:46:22.000Z> Dimes: Gonna read these now, and thanks for Bond update, I've been looking for him for awhile. 
<2022-09-11T11:48:22.000Z> Dimes: And to your earlier point, the "disengaging" part is something I really dislike. TRS is in a difficult position because even by their own admission they are Anti-American. With the exception of maybe Mike, everyone there wants the destruction of America, they call it the Great Satan routinely, etc. National Justice as an American political party, by extension, makes no sense at all. As a White Advocacy group, it is fine and bringing attention to Anti-White violence is essential, but running an American political entity while saying Death to America is not a winning strategy. It's not part of their platform of course, but it takes like 5 seconds to find evidence of this.
<2022-09-11T11:52:15.000Z> Dimes: But the disengaging thing, I saw that a LOT more before and as recently as Moldbug saying everyone needs to be quiet and secret, basically not to threaten "the cathedral." My stance is, everyone needs to be active IRL, everyone needs to make their voices heard, and everyone needs to organize creating an actual movement. One prong is creating parallel systems of support, one part is creating a safe communications infrastructure, one part is actual short-term political pressure, and one is long-term political solutions. All need to be happening at once, and my position is eventually communicating as we do on most platforms will not even be possible.Now how we GET there, that is what we are figuring out. It's a lot more complicated than it was in the past. But the Right broadly, I think it has a lot of things going for it, and one is that it actually encourages being healthy. Having a family, working out, becoming self-reliant, and having a better relationship with nature/the environment does wonders for people. As a baseline, I think aside from the blackpilled weirdos this scene has a lot more normal and diligent people. It proposes a lifestyle that is anti-suicide and anti-depression. I think that alone makes it attractive, just on an emotional level for most people. 
<2022-09-11T11:55:45.000Z> Dimes: My process is to start small. This is very much a startup mentality, but whereas most people get wrapped up in creating a big, expansive, expensive, grand strategy to save the west, I encourage people to pick manageable projects. And we just need more people doing that. MY big thing is installing KPIs (Key Performance Indicators.) Here's one: I find over the past 6 years or so, regular teenagers have become outright hostile to gay indoctrination in schools, and they are referencing memes and talking points from our side. I think sometimes we get down on ourselves and think we are failing, but I can find some other instances where we do have an impact. But as I said, my position is: we need to keep up the pressure, be louder, and actually engage with the public. Most people don't want to do that. I believe these people are either bad faith actors or possibly actual federal assets
<2022-09-11T11:57:33.000Z> Dimes: For example, here's a dumb one but: the recent LOTR show. I saw a lot of people saying, do not hate watch, do not even download it because Amazon counts that (they don't really.) They said "don't even show you're INTERESTED!" That's actually retarded, and if you unpack it they are just saying remove all negative feedback. Which sounds a lot like something Amazon would fucking come up with, so to the average viewer it looks either positive or neutral.We need to be careful of these people, to go back to your point. We need to be careful of people who say the master plan is to shut up and not cause problems.
<2022-09-23T03:18:30.000Z> pussymagic: Pretty fire show.  I was slamming the gun drops repeatedly on the soundboard in my mind.  
<2022-09-23T03:30:47.000Z> pussymagic: I've listened to fair amount of dutton.  Amusing guy and of course his empiricism comes naturally to all Anglos.  But I don't think his genetic determinism has legs.  There's nothing to do with it.  It's supposed to be retroactive explanation of how we arrived at present moment.  And then we're supposed to watch physical, material, chemical interactions and processes play themselves out.  In reality, the softer things in man, the social created concepts, will overpower or create outcomes of greater consequence than molecular biology determining macro events, at the scale of culture.  
<2022-09-23T03:45:35.000Z> pussymagic: But I do tune into Dutton somewhat regularly.  
<2022-09-23T03:46:02.000Z> pussymagic: Other than that, the bantz in between, the general chit chat was fire.  
<2022-09-23T03:54:14.000Z> pussymagic: This is how we win.  
<2022-10-06T00:57:21.000Z> pussymagic: Damn.  Our man Paul is wrong on the Jews.  It's totally them.  
<2022-10-06T04:10:27.000Z> pussymagic: I wonder if he's been absorbing LaRouche shit.  It's the british, it's the venetians.  He sounds like it.  
<2022-10-06T04:12:52.000Z> pussymagic: That reminds me, Matthew Ehret-Kump.  "Rising tide foundation".   Total Jew-Chink op.  
<2022-10-06T04:23:15.000Z> pussymagic: I don't want to watch all his videos.  But, fuck, I also want to call him out.  
<2022-10-06T04:23:35.000Z> pussymagic: gameruprising.to/index.php?threads/legit-jew-chink-op.37414/
<2022-10-10T14:57:11.000Z> Dimes: We went extra hard on Jews in the latest one, every time I think I'm out.... they PULL me back in.
<2022-10-10T14:57:50.000Z> Dimes: Even when we did Tri Faith America and had to give the Catholics their public whipping, it all happened alongside Jews in America and their agenda always ended up on top
<2022-10-23T20:04:29.000Z> pussymagic: It's sad that Turnupseed tells us the political Zoomers online are only a small sliver
<2022-10-23T20:04:36.000Z> pussymagic: This means it's totally over.  
<2022-10-23T20:06:43.000Z> pussymagic: But check out this stream - Gentle Giant Gio hosting Zoomer Schopenhauer
<2022-10-23T20:06:55.000Z> pussymagic: youtube.com/watch?v=-8fDUr_rV4Y
<2022-10-23T20:11:28.000Z> pussymagic: These guys go back and forth, back and forth with their theory references... there's no way either you or I or judas could hang.  Merely fake it like a damn clown with a big fucking cream pie to the face without knowing it and everyone else is to polite to say, hey, you've got cream pie all over your face, ya dummie.  
<2022-10-23T20:13:39.000Z> pussymagic: BUT I want to draw your attention to a moment mid-way through?  Maybe a bit after mid-way?    Zoomer Schopenhauer says a phrase which I think is of the utmost importance, dare I say the way.   
<2022-10-23T20:15:43.000Z> pussymagic: In regards to Kant, he says rather than a "transcendental subject", it's a "transcendental collective". 
<2022-10-23T20:16:50.000Z> pussymagic: You should host Zoomer Schopenhauer to get him to draw out the idea.  Not all the theory references, but for dummies.  What is it?  How does it function?  How do we bring intentionality to it?  
<2022-10-23T20:25:54.000Z> pussymagic: With a number of guys turning towards catholicism (eric aarvoll, joel davis, keet woods has always been catholic), we get them working in paradigms of "reason".  The modality of reason introduces an artifact, that the things man reasons about have independent and stable existence.  They're "real".  
<2022-10-23T20:28:07.000Z> pussymagic: Well, what if they're not fucking real??  These guys are building ideologies atop projections like "the good" with an expectation that the "most perfect" system just wins.  Well, what if it don't!   What if the metrics they're aligning their systems to are just projection.  And have no pull against enemies or even allies.  WHAT THEN.  
<2022-10-23T20:29:30.000Z> pussymagic: It's over.  
<2022-10-23T20:32:09.000Z> pussymagic: But what if our existence has no dependence on externals, but is instead a transcendent collective.  And the contest is actually about the coherence of your collective and its ability to operate, to define a world.  Vs the collective of another, an opponent, and his ability to maintain coherence and define the world.  There isn't an external metric.  And it's not a contest of temporal "individual will", except for the effort (of temporal will) in realizing and advancing the "transcendent collective"??   
<2022-10-23T20:32:20.000Z> pussymagic: This is the question to answer.  And then we're back.  
<2022-10-24T05:24:28.000Z> pussymagic: Also, man, are you backing Penny Mordaunt for next British PM?   
<2022-10-24T05:24:49.000Z> pussymagic: We got a real chance to seize the momentum
<2022-10-24T05:25:03.000Z> pussymagic: gameruprising.to/index.php?threads/the-next-british-prime-minister-who-are-we-supporting.44844/