<2023-03-30T05:52:41.000Z> moomin: im not christian, I am Pagan and I cannot answer you in full this year without breaking an oath i made to myself.
<2023-03-30T05:53:33.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: 👍
<2023-03-30T05:55:36.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: Just remember what i said. They were rhetorical. Im not mad at you for your position or anything, but i see lots of evidence to suggest a spherical planet in space was the prevailing belief throughout history 🤷‍♂️ 
<2023-03-30T05:55:39.000Z> moomin: but in short, the firmament as a cosmology is replete in all Ancient Pagan Cosmologies. the abrahamic one was inspired by the earlier Pagan ones. go look and you will see. 
<2023-03-30T05:56:35.000Z> moomin: i believe in the spherical planet as well as the firmament at the same time
<2023-03-30T05:57:12.000Z> moomin: Earth is an animorph, this is how the Ancients described Mother Earth.
<2023-03-30T05:58:16.000Z> moomin: it changes according to your perspective. when you are on the ground it is flat. when you are in the air the spherical aspect comes to light. 
<2023-03-30T05:59:18.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: What is the firmament in your opinion? The atmosphere? Or some actual physical barrier
<2023-03-30T05:59:35.000Z> moomin: the planetary sphere 
<2023-03-30T06:00:08.000Z> moomin: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_spheres
<2023-03-30T06:00:36.000Z> moomin: it is a sort of barrier
<2023-03-30T06:00:53.000Z> moomin: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welteislehre
<2023-03-30T06:01:02.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: So you imagine it as a solid, like a snow globe. Im not mocking, just a helpful analogy 
<2023-03-30T06:02:26.000Z> moomin: im well aware of the empirical observations. i am purposefully rebelling against them and finding truth in the ideas of the ancients. there is much there in other ways than the usual debunking that is done of earlier cosmologies. 
<2023-03-30T06:03:25.000Z> moomin: a re-examining if you will. 
<2023-03-30T06:03:34.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: Again, im not trying to gotcha
<2023-03-30T06:04:34.000Z> moomin: odysee.com/@adder:3e/Cosmic-Patterns-and-Cycles-of-Catastrophe---Randall-Carlson:1
<2023-03-30T06:04:41.000Z> moomin: watch this and you will see. 
<2023-03-30T06:05:23.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: We can peacefully disagree on things, im just curious what your position is. One of the things i mentioned, there is a book called legends of the jews in the talmud. Its mostly a bunch of horseshot, but potentially interesting how they twistcertain things. Anyway, it described the firmament as a thin crystalline structure, something tangibly solid.
<2023-03-30T06:09:54.000Z> moomin: I'm well aware that these explorations are considered extreme fringe but this is what draws be to them. you have to realize that the jews stole their ideas from the Aryan Mystery schools. The deeper you get into comparitive mythology the more the picture emerges that they copied nearly everything. even yahweh is a copied nabatean pagan deity. 
<2023-03-30T06:10:48.000Z> moomin: I assume you are atheist? or pagan? 
<2023-03-30T06:12:08.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: I am a Christian 
<2023-03-30T06:14:16.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: Some would call me a "we wuz" Christian. I agree with much of what you said, but the history you allude to lines up directly with the Bible narrative. The history of Adam is the history of our race, not of evil jews.🤷‍♂️
<2023-03-30T06:14:37.000Z> moomin: I think the bible is accurate, but in a Pagan sense
<2023-03-30T06:16:22.000Z> moomin: Aryans are the actual real jews, and they are the complete opposite of the typical jew caricature. 
<2023-03-30T06:16:40.000Z> moomin: "jews" stole the name from us.
<2023-03-30T06:17:14.000Z> moomin: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esus
<2023-03-30T06:18:15.000Z> moomin: archive.org/details/aebhw25
<2023-03-30T06:19:36.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: Sounds lie yu are more in line with me than you think. The origination of Yamnaya is nearly the same time and place as the garden of eden and the post flood location of Noah. The ancient Mesopotamian peoples were our ancestors,and the word of God belongs to us.
<2023-03-30T06:21:51.000Z> moomin: the whole history has been switched around. the whole thing is a massive swindle.  and do you want to know something else? jews are lying about the Pagan genocide. Europeans converted by themselves because of a change towards agriculture, whereas Paganism was huntergatherer based. 
<2023-03-30T06:22:30.000Z> moomin: we chopped down all the forests for farming and then everyone became christian
<2023-03-30T06:22:43.000Z> moomin: because we could not hunt anymore
<2023-03-30T06:23:08.000Z> moomin: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_during_the_Roman_period
<2023-03-30T06:24:01.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: This is where we differ, and id need my computer to facilitate this convo more easily but...
<2023-03-30T06:24:22.000Z> moomin: the Greeks mentioned this numerous times too.  the mediterranean used to be completely forested but it was chopped down and with that the Pagan attitudes changed towards agriculture.
<2023-03-30T06:24:30.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: The Word of God is true, and the narrative of it is that our people have never believed it
<2023-03-30T06:25:07.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: The whole story is about our continued refusal to accept Yahweh and instead worship pagan idols
<2023-03-30T06:25:21.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: And about how God would redeem us to Him through Christ
<2023-03-30T06:26:21.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: Disperate Germanic warrior tribes and nomadic conquers didnt just randomly decide to accept Christianity. God "made" them, through Christ
<2023-03-30T06:28:38.000Z> moomin: Would you believe if I told you that God is gOdin. Godin GODin. Christ is a Pagan concept too. There is no need for us to compete on this. We can still respect eachtother. which is what my oath is. I made an oath not to fight with Christians this whole year and I will stick to it. I love Europeans who are Christians as my brothers.  I'm merely sharing my opinions from my point of view, not facts. We already have enough enemies, we don't need to fight eachother too. I respect your opinions too.  
<2023-03-30T06:30:51.000Z> moomin: And I will fight for your traditions as well if you will help protect mine as countless monks and priests did in the past (many of the ideas of paganism would not even be known if they did not record them) 
<2023-03-30T06:31:53.000Z> Xenophon@nicecrew.digital: I also love Europeans as my brothers. Our race is a family. We appear to agree on much, bit disagree on some finer points. I do not accept that our origin is other than Yahweh, because to deny the Word make our Creator a liar. I believe their is much power in accepting the truth of His Word. But you and I are much closer than I am to most Christians unfortunately 
<2023-03-30T06:41:44.000Z> moomin: We who understand our predicament with the jew are already singled out. I want the same strong families and traditions for our people as you want. And I know that the Christian communities are some of the strongest areas in the world where the Germanic people are still healthy.  Do you know that I too hate the "pagans" who are degenerate? I don't even view them as real Pagans. There are very few of us who are actually honorable left. And the jew slanders us just as they slander Christians constantly. There are very few true Natsoc Christians left as well. If we don't find a way to work together to preserve what is our own, in secret against our enemy (since we cannot be who we are openly in very few places) we will both perish entirely. 
<2023-03-30T06:44:22.000Z> moomin: If any of our ancestors could see what passes as Pagan these days they would have done away with them themselves. 