<2022-01-06T21:45:18.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: So I've been having to ask people this a lot lately
<2022-01-06T21:45:25.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: YOu also listen to Lord of Spirits?
<2022-01-07T01:14:27.000Z> loghdub: Haha. Yes, quite religiously 
<2022-01-07T01:15:20.000Z> loghdub: I enjoy both LoS and Pageau. 
<2022-02-16T05:40:58.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Thanks btw, even if I hate this whole thing
<2022-02-16T06:08:35.000Z> loghdub: lmao
<2022-02-16T06:08:38.000Z> loghdub: of course
<2022-02-16T06:12:12.000Z> loghdub: It's all very gay. When I'm friends with Myles and Nike and Apache and acquaintances with you and Pikachu and get to experience my own world of intra-movement bullshit, it gets old fast. 
<2022-02-16T06:13:51.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: I just get bothered by all the insinuations from people who don't actually know anything
<2022-02-16T06:14:26.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Or assume that they can just hear something and go "yeah, nah, that's not true" like they couldn't just, y'know, say it to my face and call me a liar.
<2022-02-16T06:14:50.000Z> loghdub: Yeah. Unfortunately part of the game. one, LOL INTERNET. Two, a lot of this stuff is naturally things you don't necessarily publicize or talk about a lot, for one reason or another. So you just simp.
<2022-02-16T06:15:07.000Z> loghdub: Well, the internet isn't real. So you're not a real person
<2022-02-16T06:15:19.000Z> loghdub: Nevermind we drank together on a mutual friends' porch. Nope.
<2022-02-16T06:15:24.000Z> loghdub: Not real
<2022-02-16T06:15:39.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Obv no
<2022-02-16T06:15:44.000Z> loghdub: And neither is anything you say or do, or anything else anyone else says or does.
<2022-02-16T06:15:47.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: all those recordings and such are not real
<2022-02-16T06:16:06.000Z> loghdub: Baudrillard was wrong. The 4th stage of simulacra isn't merely a copy of a copy
<2022-02-16T06:16:13.000Z> loghdub: it's life as a visual novel
<2022-02-16T06:16:34.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: That's the MEtaverse for ya
<2022-02-16T06:17:11.000Z> loghdub: And so many WNs contrive a movement without a cause
<2022-02-16T06:17:31.000Z> loghdub: Hence TRSimps and irony bros and all sorts of nonsense
<2022-02-16T06:18:14.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: All I know is that Loyalty is its own reward, and as of this moment I don't regret any person I have been personally loyal to.
<2022-02-16T06:20:31.000Z> loghdub: Damn straight. And fuck all those who betray that loyalty. 
<2022-02-16T06:21:02.000Z> loghdub: Thank God for those men I can call my Brother. 
<2022-02-16T06:21:15.000Z> loghdub: The movement can go to hell. But the cause is real
<2022-02-16T06:24:19.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Always better to be Caesar than Brutus
<2022-02-16T06:24:48.000Z> loghdub: Absolutely. Better to fight for what you think is right and be wrong than betray all that you love and hold dear.
<2022-02-16T06:25:18.000Z> loghdub: All for the sake of an abstraction. Or in 2022, your own butthole
<2022-02-16T06:26:17.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Brutus thought he was loyal to a thing which had been dead for 100 years. his loyalty wasn't real because the ideal he worshipped never really existed.
<2022-02-16T06:26:53.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: I wonder if Brutus the King-killer would have aped Brutus the Caesar-killer
<2022-02-16T06:27:14.000Z> loghdub: Exactly. He made an idol out of ideology. He didn't even fight for what he thought he was fighting for, that's the most tragic part for him
<2022-02-16T06:27:21.000Z> loghdub: idolology
<2022-02-16T06:27:51.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Well, he did eventually, but by that point the actual fight was more pointless than the assassination.
<2022-02-16T06:28:09.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Well, maybe it wouldn't be pointless if he'd at least managed to kill Antony
<2022-02-16T06:28:25.000Z> loghdub: LOTGH-related question then - if it's so corrupt, are you even fighting for the idea anymore?
<2022-02-16T06:28:29.000Z> loghdub: I don't think so
<2022-02-16T06:29:23.000Z> loghdub: But it's too late for me to be engaging in too much thoughtful discussion I gotta work tomorrow lol
<2022-02-16T06:29:41.000Z> loghdub: On a related, and inverse, note, you'll like this. Had my priest over to bless the house, we sit down and chat for a bit. Ends up shitting on MLK and St Floyd and mentioning offhand lenin and trotsky were jews
<2022-02-16T06:30:02.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Usually not. Wenli isn't even fighting for the idea of the Free Planets Alliance, because everyone he sees who is an active agent of that Alliance he treats like a selfservign bureaucrat
<2022-02-16T06:30:17.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Also: Based
<2022-02-16T06:30:21.000Z> loghdub: Hence why he dies stupidly lol 
<2022-02-16T06:30:41.000Z> loghdub: Yes.  I had no idea Fr was the way he was, but boy was it a pleasant surprise.
<2022-02-16T06:30:50.000Z> loghdub: He was anti covid bullshit from day one, too]
<2022-02-16T06:30:56.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Every Ortho Priest I've talked to does that privately. Sometimes they do it publicly
<2022-02-16T06:31:37.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Listening to Lord of Spirits, I messaged my Godfather and was like "welp, I give in, Fr Stephen is more based than I am"
<2022-02-16T06:31:37.000Z> loghdub: I'm not thrilled with my church livestreaming, but I am happy because it means all my priest's anti-covid and other such themes are online somewhere
<2022-02-16T06:31:43.000Z> loghdub: hahaha
<2022-02-16T06:32:32.000Z> loghdub: I get annoyed with Young's anti-racism, but I'm not that spergy so I write it off and EOTD it's probably true for the time and place
<2022-02-16T06:33:28.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Well, the only time I recall him cucking was on the whole "his blodd be upon us and upon our children" piece
<2022-02-16T06:33:43.000Z> loghdub: I'm just hoping I can keep my crippling alcoholism in check over Lent so I can actually be chrismated and brought into the Church. Fr knows where I'm at and I'm doctrinally ready, but because I suck I never actually participate or attend, even though I've been off and on for a few years now.
<2022-02-16T06:33:54.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: And even then there's an easy counterpoint to make with the whole "death by HOliness" argument
<2022-02-16T06:34:07.000Z> loghdub: I'm just afraid I'll either cry or catch fire when I finally get my first communion
<2022-02-16T06:34:12.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Dude, I have been there before too
<2022-02-16T06:34:20.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Look, if you cry that's good
<2022-02-16T06:34:38.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: if you catch fire, well, then all you've done is spare yourself years of agony over it
<2022-02-16T06:34:49.000Z> loghdub: Well, the cucking is the focus on the ritual aspect of nationhood over and beyond and opposed to the blood/ethnic component
<2022-02-16T06:34:53.000Z> loghdub: Haha, fair
<2022-02-16T06:35:11.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Well, what he calls nationhoood is what we would call tribalism
<2022-02-16T06:35:15.000Z> loghdub: If I catch fire hopefully there's enough left of me to salvage after I've been purified
<2022-02-16T06:35:22.000Z> loghdub: Right
<2022-02-16T06:35:28.000Z> loghdub: And there 100% is a ritual component to it
<2022-02-16T06:35:30.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Like, what the Jews have is not Nationalism as we'd call it, it is Tribal
<2022-02-16T06:35:35.000Z> loghdub: As there is with all identity
<2022-02-16T06:35:43.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Which is to say there is an ethnic piece, but a cultural piece
<2022-02-16T06:35:47.000Z> loghdub: Right
<2022-02-16T06:36:20.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: You can be born in it, and be a part of it by blood, but also the tribe can find those who are worthy useful etc and ritualistically graft them in, as it chooses
<2022-02-16T06:36:36.000Z> loghdub: None of the positive statements he makes on it I have an issue with, and frankly already agreed with (though because of Evola lolololololo). It's his use of that to then launch against racism and nazism or whatever that I roll my eyes at
<2022-02-16T06:37:07.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Then your blood is a part of the greater whole, the ritual which binds the blood to the Total Myth which defines the Tribe
<2022-02-16T06:37:20.000Z> loghdub: Right, exactly.
<2022-02-16T06:37:34.000Z> loghdub: It's the fulfilled and correct understanding of what kikes and kike accessories call "intersectionality"
<2022-02-16T06:37:42.000Z> loghdub: It's just a recognition that most real identity is multi-dimensional
<2022-02-16T06:37:46.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Even his stuff about NAzis I can agree with in that the 20th century is full of corruptions of ideas, including that of NAtionhood via things like genetic purity
<2022-02-16T06:38:17.000Z> loghdub: To a point, yes, but tbh I just don't think that's what he's actually getting ay
<2022-02-16T06:38:17.000Z> loghdub: at
<2022-02-16T06:38:41.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: It may not be his point, but it's a poitn worth considering
<2022-02-16T06:39:20.000Z> loghdub: I think so too, but like all nuanced truths, only in the proper context.
<2022-02-16T06:39:30.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Obsession over who has what genetics is a very modern phenomenon, both because DNA understanding is modern and because, well, ancient euros weren't dealing with tribal Bantus and PAjeets in their bloodlines
<2022-02-16T06:39:38.000Z> loghdub: Right
<2022-02-16T06:40:20.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: So like, I've always seen things like "are x White" as a joke, but more and more people assume they are serious cause of genetic tests and such
<2022-02-16T06:40:56.000Z> loghdub: You're not wrong. Where I push back is context. Nuance quickly becomes deconstruction if you don't have the right intentions
<2022-02-16T06:41:04.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: But in reality, 2 centuries ago, nobody cared so long as you worshipped with them, lived like them, and fought with them. Cause that's what a Tribe is, fundamentally
<2022-02-16T06:41:16.000Z> loghdub: Right. 
<2022-02-16T06:41:49.000Z> loghdub: The blood is the material with which you build, but it isn't the arcitecture per se, nor what you fill the  structure with, nor how you build it.
<2022-02-16T06:42:00.000Z> loghdub: architecture*
<2022-02-16T06:42:01.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: So yeah, fr Stephen is probably providing modern examples he is familiar with cause he's had his share of modern schooling and felt the call to faith instead of to history or the like
<2022-02-16T06:43:04.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: But his arguments, themselves, are very valid for avoiding particularly Modernist traps in how we view ourselves as a people and what we understand to be important as a Tribe unto ourselves and our posterity
<2022-02-16T06:44:15.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: In a way, he's laying out the blueprints of ethnogenesis and how that occurs. And it occurs over time, with common rituals, and common understanding of the ritualistic significance for a people. That transcends perspective
<2022-02-16T06:49:21.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Tbh, there's not any chance I would look at a black and welcome him into my tribe. In part because he's alien, in part because, frankly, any black worth being considered would do way more for his own people and shouldn't be trying to cut bait on his own work that he needs to do
<2022-02-16T06:51:03.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Because I am, at heart, compassionate to all people, I'd rather he go help his own people because his people need so much more help than any wealth or effort that I and mine can give his people. They need their own to find the ability to lead them and lead them in confidence, in positive understanding of who they are
<2022-02-16T06:51:21.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Which is why Empire is probably always evil.
<2022-02-16T06:53:11.000Z> loghdub: I can see that.
<2022-02-16T06:53:44.000Z> loghdub: You can still welcome him, give him traveler's hospitality, and let him take the Eucharist, but you're not necessarily going to let him take a plot of land and settle.
<2022-02-16T06:54:51.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: As you should. He ought to enjoy hospitality, because such customs are things which are a universal good for men and men should have compassion for each other
<2022-02-16T06:55:04.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: But he also ought to, well, travel, if he is a traveler
<2022-02-16T06:55:15.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Which means *leaving*
<2022-02-16T22:45:43.000Z> loghdub: Yes haha
<2022-07-21T04:40:00.000Z> loghdub: Hey man, do you have TG? Low-key I'm working on a "western spirituality" podcast series and I want to bring you in. It's slow-moving admittedly but as an Orthodox fellow LoS enjoyer I can't think of anyone else more qualified
<2022-07-21T04:40:19.000Z> loghdub: It would only be for an episode or two, not the whole thing, so the time commitment is minimal
<2022-07-21T04:45:40.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Oh, yeah I'm on TG
<2022-07-21T04:45:45.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: @WalrusAurelius
<2022-07-21T04:46:12.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: And I'd be happy to come on, just uh...gimme a bit of a topic and some notice so I can dig a bit more
<2022-07-21T04:46:38.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: I like talking about this kind of stuff but I will wanna be more organized than I usually am on a show
<2022-07-21T05:32:56.000Z> loghdub: Understandable. I'm recording most of them before I release, and only have two under the belt.THere will be plenty of warning.
<2022-07-21T05:33:18.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Roger