<2023-02-06T03:05:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: did squidkids die?
<2023-02-06T03:05:47.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: lmao
<2023-02-06T03:06:31.000Z> hazlin: yep, the registrar killed it
<2023-02-06T03:06:37.000Z> hazlin: got reported or something
<2023-02-06T03:06:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dang
<2023-02-06T03:06:50.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: how was church?
<2023-02-06T03:06:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Today wasn't so great, lol
<2023-02-06T03:08:27.000Z> hazlin: oof
<2023-02-06T03:08:29.000Z> hazlin: today was nuts
<2023-02-06T03:08:39.000Z> hazlin: I'm trying to recall it...
<2023-02-06T03:09:31.000Z> hazlin: ah yes, one of the highlights was,Talking about the white washed coffins from when Jesus was talking to the jews.
<2023-02-06T03:10:35.000Z> hazlin: the guy saidThe outside things are like "saying ass" or other such things.But, the inside things, are like "listening to bad music, watching a bad movie, getting angry and yelling at someone"
<2023-02-06T03:11:04.000Z> hazlin: So, Jesus said, the inside must be washed, and then these were the examples the pastor gave 
<2023-02-06T03:11:19.000Z> hazlin: it is as textbook legalism as it gets
<2023-02-06T03:11:29.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: jeez
<2023-02-06T03:11:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The entire point was that legalism leaves you looking clean, but you arent lmao
<2023-02-06T03:12:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: literally the highest level of "unclean" via the example of the grave too
<2023-02-06T03:12:36.000Z> hazlin: YES, and all the examples the pastor gave, where of external things other people could see lol. It completely eluded him that the inside that needs cleaning is the fallen nature of man
<2023-02-06T03:13:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ours was a bit more understandable but still not okay, guess every sunday cant be a winner 
<2023-02-06T03:14:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Basically going over intergenerational sin, aka inheritable sin and the punishment of such. Pastor took on a rather heavy fleshy/literal view of it rather than what basic understanding should show
<2023-02-06T03:14:54.000Z> hazlin: how were things on your end?
<2023-02-06T03:15:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also used the wrong understanding of "his blood will be upon us and our children," wrong
<2023-02-06T03:15:35.000Z> hazlin: lol did he equate it to, marrying someone ugly and having ugly children
<2023-02-06T03:17:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: No, more like that the sin is literally inherited. Like for instance: if my grandfather was an alcoholic, I will have to account for that spiritually. This is incorrect.I would have to account for it, because the damage of it to my father and even to me; but his sin of alcoholism is his own, I will bear no judgement for it. The end results of it that lead me to commit other sins however...
<2023-02-06T03:17:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: an overly literal/fleshy view of it. Overly "jewish" in its presentation
<2023-02-06T03:18:20.000Z> hazlin: D: wow that is an interesting perspective 
<2023-02-06T03:19:29.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Whats shocking about this is: We have other working examples from scripture or life that are far more topical and can give a better example of how sin is passed intergenerationally and screws everything up
<2023-02-06T03:21:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: For instance: a Moloch worshiper. We can showcase immediately how this would effect the children and screw them up.Or more recently, basically everything that happened in the 60s
<2023-02-06T03:21:33.000Z> hazlin: yeah like, when generations later God had Israel go to war with someone, because of an office 
<2023-02-06T03:21:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: hm?
<2023-02-06T03:22:59.000Z> hazlin: I believe during the time of Saul or David, God had them go to war with someone that caused trouble during the wilderness journey out of Egypt 
<2023-02-06T03:23:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: ah
<2023-02-06T03:23:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ill have to check on that
<2023-02-06T03:23:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: none the examples from the 60s were mentioned though, lmao
<2023-02-06T03:24:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: nor was divorce
<2023-02-06T03:26:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >Boomers push through all sorts of things meant to destroy society and future generations
<2023-02-06T03:26:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >future gens grow up
<2023-02-06T03:26:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >boomers become destitute by their own hands and hated aliens in their own homelands
<2023-02-06T03:26:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >descendants want nothing to do with them
<2023-02-06T03:27:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: God does indeed punish to the fourth or more generation, things are gonna be bad for the wayward boomers
<2023-02-06T03:27:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also, revisited the idea of terrain theory
<2023-02-06T03:29:43.000Z> hazlin: good point about the boomers
<2023-02-06T03:30:09.000Z> hazlin: though I think concisely, they have tried to live without God, and that is the source of the troubles
<2023-02-06T03:30:17.000Z> hazlin: >terrain theoryTell me
<2023-02-06T03:30:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Everything happening right now is the result of their faithlessness, also theres the issue of the "israel" idolatry that started with their generation too....
<2023-02-06T03:30:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Or they replaced him
<2023-02-06T03:31:03.000Z> hazlin: yeah
<2023-02-06T03:31:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: https://www.prestigewellnessinstitute.com/blog/its-the-terrain
<2023-02-06T03:31:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: basically, illness is enviromental
<2023-02-06T03:33:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: illnesses are caused eplicitly by weaknesses in the immune system or toxic build up or more, basically the body malfunctioning
<2023-02-06T03:33:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: and that germs/viruses are actually ever present 
<2023-02-06T03:34:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: think like how cancer works
<2023-02-06T03:41:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The body is constantly carrying most of these things around, it isnt until the immune system weakens a particular way that we see an effect
<2023-02-06T03:44:26.000Z> hazlin: i think I more or less agree with that
<2023-02-06T03:44:32.000Z> hazlin: that viruses... aren't real lol, 
<2023-02-06T03:44:57.000Z> hazlin: germs, may not be a thing either, all the bacteria may be essentially good
<2023-02-06T05:39:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Well, good when youre healthy
<2023-02-06T05:39:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Im starting to think viruses may in fact be species specific because theyre the result of some kins of bizzare communicable genetic issue
<2023-02-06T05:43:58.000Z> hazlin: >viruses may in fact be speciesI... don't want to fight about it xD But if you come across some evidence that they exist you let me know xD
<2023-02-06T06:02:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Certain ones are documented, but I dont think theyre weirdo organisms; i think they may be cast off corrupted genetic info that spreads like a communicable form of cancer
<2023-02-06T06:02:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Varicella for instance is, covid however isnt. 
<2023-02-06T06:02:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: This mostly comes from HIV not appearing till after the first attempt as a polio vaxx
<2023-02-06T06:04:22.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Nah, Im willing to conceed that they may not exist or at least not at all like we understand. What if in terms of terrain its just a catastrophic failure of the immune system? 
<2023-02-06T18:00:11.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The process of immunization also becomes very very interesting in regards to terrain
<2023-02-06T18:00:37.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Im going to study it some more, I think it might be a solid bit to research
<2023-02-06T20:15:15.000Z> hazlin: >Certain ones are documentedAs far as I know, this is untrue>immunizationmay not be a thing at all
<2023-02-06T20:15:26.000Z> hazlin: Since I've started questioning this stuff
<2023-02-06T20:15:54.000Z> hazlin: I've noticed that, like this last bout of sickness in my family, literally, they all got very sick for more than 2 weeks
<2023-02-06T20:16:11.000Z> hazlin: one got sick, then the rest got sick
<2023-02-06T20:16:37.000Z> hazlin: when they started airing the house out
<2023-02-06T20:16:40.000Z> hazlin: they got better
<2023-02-06T20:17:32.000Z> hazlin: There is also the examples of, when I feel bad at the same time, but we didn't have any contact with each other
<2023-02-06T20:17:51.000Z> hazlin: or, when they were all sick, and I came into contact with them, but didn't get sick at all
<2023-02-06T20:18:23.000Z> hazlin: It reminds me, that they seemed to be able to just make people sick with covid by putting them into isolation, until they started showing symptoms 
<2023-02-06T20:20:21.000Z> hazlin: That is, bad conditions = sickness, and sharing a space can look like a sickness spreading 
<2023-02-06T20:21:39.000Z> hazlin: the other observation, where there seems to sickness simultaneously in different locations, without recent contact, makes me wonder if there aren't larger things which can cause sickness 
<2023-02-07T16:53:50.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ive noticed that too, along with terrain it creates interesting implications
<2023-02-07T16:55:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ask for immunization... Im starting to think most of them are outdated if not outright fake. There was a polio/measels outbreak on navy vessel just like 2 years ago
<2023-02-07T16:58:56.000Z> hazlin: >outright fakeIs where I am at on the matter xD
<2023-02-07T17:00:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I dunno man, I didnt keep any immunization cards or documents at all when I went mil. They had to do a blood test and I got the fancy pink card because all I needed was a flu shot and the peanut butter shot
<2023-02-07T17:02:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Maybe they do something that mechanically should stop the "illness" but in some cases dont work because like bacteria, it adopts rapidly to overcome our imagined tool when we should be focusing on the imnune system
<2023-02-07T17:05:15.000Z> hazlin: hmm sounds like they did an anti-body test on you. 
<2023-02-07T17:05:49.000Z> hazlin: >that mechanically should stop the "illness"Historically, no vaccine has made a difference, so I don't think this is true, otherwise the data would be different 
<2023-02-07T17:06:13.000Z> hazlin: lol, I say didn't make a difference, I meant to say, didn't make a positive difference 
<2023-02-07T17:07:22.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ah
<2023-02-07T17:07:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I dunno, 
<2023-02-07T17:07:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It needs to be studied ernestly
<2023-02-07T17:08:30.000Z> hazlin: I know I plug it all the time, but, dissolving illusions, really does cover a lot of historical data
<2023-02-07T17:09:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Disolving illusions?
<2023-02-07T17:10:02.000Z> hazlin: amazon.com/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895
<2023-02-07T17:11:15.000Z> hazlin: erm
<2023-02-07T17:11:16.000Z> hazlin: I may have the pdf...
<2023-02-07T19:57:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: If not Im sure I can find it
<2023-02-07T20:01:46.000Z> hazlin: berf, well it looked like I uploaded it xD
<2023-02-07T20:01:58.000Z> hazlin: did we ever exchange email addresses?
<2023-02-07T20:02:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I dont think so, definitely dont recall that
<2023-02-07T20:03:39.000Z> hazlin: sigh, getting people to communicate outside of fedi has been a challenge xD
<2023-02-07T20:03:44.000Z> hazlin: mine is hazlin@pm.me
<2023-02-07T20:03:55.000Z> hazlin: you'll need to reply to it this time xD
<2023-02-07T20:04:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Thats a real email?
<2023-02-07T20:05:35.000Z> hazlin: ?
<2023-02-07T20:07:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Reply to what? I havent received anything
<2023-02-07T20:08:41.000Z> hazlin: you have... received my email address xD
<2023-02-07T20:10:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Aight, gotta hit work for a bit. Ttyl
<2023-02-07T20:10:52.000Z> hazlin: ttyl
<2023-02-07T20:14:21.000Z> hazlin: I sent you a link to a 7z file the password iss0WXn9k+ZSFwh.UHrDoW(\f]Y
<2023-02-07T20:14:55.000Z> hazlin: I never want to put anything on that file host that is unencrypted xD
<2023-02-07T20:15:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: :thumbs_up: 
<2023-02-08T12:37:01.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Another super late gabfugee has joined lmao
<2023-02-08T16:33:46.000Z> hazlin: Who?
<2023-02-08T16:52:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Lovelymiss. I remember asking her about the emulation issue with paganism since she's one of those, she had nothing to explain for it
<2023-02-08T16:56:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: If you worship a god they should be worthy of emulation, if emulating them is abhorrent, why should you worship them? If you want to larp as a norsepagan you have to keep in mind that Loki is evil and a coward, but still a "god". Hes also transgender and engages in homosexuality and bestiality. Is this worthy of emulation? 
<2023-02-08T16:58:15.000Z> hazlin: woah, such a good point
<2023-02-08T16:58:21.000Z> hazlin: though that seems to be a theme, Pagan In Name Only... PINO
<2023-02-08T17:15:37.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Its because they csnt handle the social stigma of being a fedora
<2023-02-08T17:16:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: An absurdly good point. Theres the other issue of the historical problems but most larpers arent interested in why Scandinavians dropped our false gods, they just like marvel movies
<2023-02-08T17:28:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ancestors literally dumped them because they functioned like being demonically possessed, but worse. 
<2023-02-08T17:34:03.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: As bad as it is to say: at least demons are real. The aesir arent however. 
<2023-02-08T17:34:43.000Z> hazlin: xD
<2023-02-08T17:36:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Well I mean... With a demon you can at least say "I was tricked into this terrible thing,", when the issue is just folklore retardation taken to an extreme you have only yourself to blame and the shame associated is well deserved
<2023-02-08T17:51:23.000Z> hazlin: not sure, the larpers, it isn't like they practice these things
<2023-02-08T17:52:09.000Z> hazlin: they are like atheists that recognize that religion is necessary, but they think it is just an evolutionary thing, that is there but isn't real
<2023-02-08T18:27:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Idk, all I know is that its always norse paganism
<2023-02-08T18:29:01.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: There are no pagans who worship celtic, the slavic pantheon, the grecoroman, or anything else... Its always norse
<2023-02-08T18:31:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: And its always for racialistic reasons, despite the fact that only heavily mixed people seem to be interested in paganism lmao
<2023-02-12T04:26:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Did you see that fbi doc?
<2023-02-12T04:26:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Lmao
<2023-02-12T04:27:47.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net attached file https://varishangout.net/media/947f3d22-f227-464b-a44e-55edd6aa78d3/9b02d71d75c617a87ffcb3c9c73d1a0ef0d8947460831ae3c14016cc57294de5.png
<2023-02-12T04:28:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Dang, looks like id have to do one at a time... https://varishangout.net/media/dc988158-5a18-4e0f-8a31-f62234dc3d7b/6a0b9564b651c4723fd0c161594ed8bf968ee05bbbe7babcb6568f00cd76f818.png
<2023-02-12T04:29:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net attached file https://varishangout.net/media/4e09718e-33d7-4c0b-a828-ef40c4eeb1d4/1676052441445592m.jpg
<2023-02-12T04:52:44.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2023-02-12T04:55:09.000Z> hazlin: tbh, when I read this
<2023-02-12T04:55:22.000Z> hazlin: it feels like it was an earnest effort by a low level person
<2023-02-12T04:55:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: "We're based! We're trad!">days later"If you dont accept plurality and racemixing youre going to hell,"
<2023-02-12T04:56:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It reads like they finally hired someone semi competent
<2023-02-12T04:56:33.000Z> hazlin: I mean, I say that, because anyone near the top is probably going to be a satanist 
<2023-02-12T04:56:47.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Rcc would be entirely effective at disarming dissident rightwingers while ruining general concepts of Christianity and getting them to cuck our
<2023-02-12T04:57:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: There is thattoo
<2023-02-12T04:57:10.000Z> hazlin: and those people aren't going to pursue deradicalization through RCC cooperation xD
<2023-02-12T04:57:21.000Z> hazlin: BUT
<2023-02-12T04:57:42.000Z> hazlin: since they control the RCC, it would be best if you joined that group lol
<2023-02-12T04:57:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Rcc was take one on globohomo... Depends on how absorbed into rcc they get
<2023-02-12T04:58:39.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also, remembered something obscure from like... 2014
<2023-02-12T05:04:33.000Z> hazlin: In general though, I see the satanists floating to the top, and consolidating wealth and political power, because to a large extend they've made the masses atheistic, which is the best match up for someone who has received power from demons
<2023-02-12T05:05:38.000Z> hazlin: the second best, is someone with a false religion, though there may be the potential for a demon power vs demon power situation 
<2023-02-12T05:05:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Seems like... Well, thinks they recieved power anyways
<2023-02-12T05:07:46.000Z> hazlin: I think their power is very similar to Pharaoh's Magicians, though these days they prefer building weapons of demonic fear to drive and control the masses 
<2023-02-12T05:09:08.000Z> hazlin: the personally empowered sort, is more common in other countries, because, it becomes a dangerous game if they confront a Christian directly 
<2023-02-12T05:09:37.000Z> hazlin: just ask Anton LaVey lol
<2023-02-12T05:12:19.000Z> hazlin: the next group that benefits them the most is Christianity, that insists there is no personal relationship, and sets and organization between you are the grace and love of the Savior 
<2023-02-12T05:12:54.000Z> hazlin: RCC/trad seems to fall into this bucket, it makes them highly ineffectual, and most likely to just bear spiritual domination 
<2023-02-12T05:13:28.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yup
<2023-02-12T05:14:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The thing though is just like pharaoh's magicians, and those who follow that build, they'll eventually think they can go farther than they really can
<2023-02-12T05:18:03.000Z> hazlin: The rest of Christianity is a spectrum, with two axisAxis1: One side, Grace, the other Works.Axis2: One side, You'll do greater works than Jesus, the other, God has left you helpless (the extreme being suffering is from God)I'd say that most Christian groups fall into the Works + suffering from God camp
<2023-02-12T05:20:04.000Z> hazlin: >they'll eventually think they can go farther than they really canYES, I've heard more than one testimony, from someone who was a warlock or apprenticing under a warlock, they eventually talk to their master about "why wasn't I able to hurt that Christian" or "if I continue to pursue that Christian I couldn't harm, what would happen?"
<2023-02-12T05:20:17.000Z> hazlin: and they get told "you shouldn't do that, their God will kill you"
<2023-02-12T05:20:29.000Z> hazlin: like, that would have you be a crazy wake up call right xD ?
<2023-02-12T05:24:37.000Z> hazlin: I don't have the details of Anton's final story in front of me, but I recall that his fate was going to far as well 
<2023-02-12T05:42:39.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: i meant more in another way, but yes that too lmao
<2023-02-12T05:56:21.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: like...>"I have magical powers! Now I will strike you down with my powers!">Christian takes the threat seriously and proceeds to bludgeon them to deathor basically that, by being one of these delusional acolytes who have been misled they're prone to actual delusional thinking. And in that, they're likely to actually believe they do have powers or arent charlatans. That isn't to say that some rare ones arent communing with the demonic, but some 99% of them are charlatans and fakes; whether they know they're charlatans though...
<2023-02-12T05:56:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: That reminds me: I need to save up to buy a proper sword
<2023-02-12T05:57:36.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2023-02-12T05:59:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Cuz to me it seems far more likely that there'll be a day with them where their parlor tricks fail or they fall into delusion and think that they can either keep bluffing or honestly thinkg that they have powers
<2023-02-12T05:59:07.000Z> hazlin: >charlatansHonestly I wish more of them were, my experience so far, has been people are more likely to unknowingly operate under a demonic influence than they are to fool themselves into thinking they have a demonic relationship that isn't real xD
<2023-02-12T06:00:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Depends on what the influence is. If they made contact and the demon only checks in now and again to feed a delusion...
<2023-02-12T06:01:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Personally I imagine they'd want the biggest results from the smallest possible effort,
<2023-02-12T06:01:43.000Z> hazlin: the people that only dabble often end up possessed, Ed and Lorraine Warren's experiences show casual occultism is a fast track to getting dominated by demons 
<2023-02-12T06:02:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Basically only popping in once or maybe a handful of times to feed into the nonsense, all the while laughing at them behind the scenes
<2023-02-12T06:04:06.000Z> hazlin: err, I think we have had different experiences lol because this sort of thing is really serious to me xD I've tried to go out of my way not to learn the details, but I could probably write a highly effective warlock manual with my indirect knowledge 
<2023-02-12T06:04:28.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: ooof
<2023-02-12T06:05:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: From what I've experinced its the opposite side of the spectrum of things lol
<2023-02-12T06:06:03.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I guess I only ever meet weird edgy people who never grew up
<2023-02-12T06:06:47.000Z> hazlin: ahh, that makes sense, I am not trying to discount your experiences or anything
<2023-02-12T06:07:03.000Z> hazlin: that is probably the usual outcome 
<2023-02-12T06:07:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Most of what I've ever run into is either mental illness or the bare minimal effort on the demon's part lmao
<2023-02-12T06:07:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: people just completely deluded or running out of a bluff
<2023-02-12T06:08:58.000Z> hazlin: I just ended up with three family members that did things they shouldn't have with disastrous effect xDeven had a friend get tangled up with a... well I don't know their specifics, perhaps they were a witch of some sort, anyway, their life was trampled, and their kid ended up going to jail and all sorts of stuff in a very short amount of time
<2023-02-12T06:09:24.000Z> hazlin: they were RCC, and they'd tell me "you know, I don't really believe in all this God stuff, but demons are real"
<2023-02-12T06:09:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Generational sin, the handful of times it's brought up is mostly in regards to idolatry...
<2023-02-12T06:10:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: like a wiccan?
<2023-02-12T06:10:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: aw fuck
<2023-02-12T06:10:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: XD
<2023-02-12T06:10:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: thats terrible and ridiculous
<2023-02-12T06:11:25.000Z> hazlin: >like a wiccanI didn't meet the person directly, but when this person overtly turned against them, I saw the aftermath
<2023-02-12T06:11:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: the demons or their heathen others?
<2023-02-12T06:13:25.000Z> hazlin: >mostly in regards to idolatryYes, in my case, it was 2 masons and a fortuneteller. The masons ended up forming relationships with demons, indirectly, they didn't seem to be aware, but it was like a consuming fire in their life, destroying every relationship, and leaving a generation of family members scarred
<2023-02-12T06:14:33.000Z> hazlin: the fortuneteller incident was followed by years of work being destroyed, and their son becoming a, well lets just say I take care of that person now xD
<2023-02-12T06:14:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dang
<2023-02-12T06:18:45.000Z> hazlin: >the demons or their heathen others?I'm not sure what you mean, but this person was a friend of my friend, and when their relationship went bad, they essentially told my friend, they've made a big mistake, that they know witchcraft, and they'd make them pay... and sure enough they made good on their words, "heathen others" as far as I know, it was all indirect fallout
<2023-02-12T06:18:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Mostly ran into wiccans or other weirdos and it's usually akin to a self induced delusion, where they're destroying themselves inadvertantly but can't figure it out at all, even if its pointed out to them
<2023-02-12T06:19:55.000Z> hazlin: >where they're destroying themselves inadvertantlyHonestly, I bet you are right when you say that is the most likely outcome, because, the people that DO know, don't want to share their power
<2023-02-12T06:19:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Only one was someone who I'd possibly consider as being demonically contacted, but after that it stopped and kept them locked into a concept that their pagan god was real despite basic reason
<2023-02-12T06:20:12.000Z> hazlin: that is why the satanists spend so much time making sure atheism is taught 
<2023-02-12T06:20:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I can definitely agree with that
<2023-02-12T06:20:59.000Z> hazlin: AND, in the Bible, it talks A LOT about, men create idols of stone or wood, that aren't real, and have no power xD
<2023-02-12T06:22:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Well there were a few who did know that they were destroying their own lives, but wouldn't drop the weirdo pagan stuff. No powers or nothing. Literally just locked into a life of suffering for literally nothing.
<2023-02-12T06:22:47.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Thats what I've encountered the most
<2023-02-12T06:24:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Only a select few would I say were actually involved with demons, but even that is tangental and minor. Such as the one who believed that Odin had talked to them, but had since fallen silent upon them deciding that they were going to be pagan.
<2023-02-12T06:24:26.000Z> hazlin: >Literally just locked into a life of suffering for literally nothing.I actually know a Baptist preacher like that, I think all his family members have died at this point, lost his church, and to everything he just keeps saying "I don't know why God has done this, but it is His will"
<2023-02-12T06:25:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Sometimes it's not God's will, but our own. Usually punishments are self inflicted, knowingly or not.
<2023-02-12T06:27:17.000Z> hazlin: I don't think you self inflect the death of your children and wife lol he is obviously being destroyed by satan 
<2023-02-12T06:27:55.000Z> hazlin: It would be like I said Job's destruction was self inflicted 
<2023-02-12T06:29:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I didn't mean like that :doge_laugh: Moreso general and more mundane things, like having issues with ones children and how they turned out, after not raising them.
<2023-02-12T06:33:14.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Maybe it's my german blood, but I'm starting to notice that the kind of proper orderly nature that God wants for people'
<2023-02-12T06:33:32.000Z> hazlin: ahh, well yes, I'd say in the majority of cases, they are living a part from God, and that is their fault, and satan wants to destroy everyone 
<2023-02-12T06:33:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: people's lives seems to help fix a ton of problems before they begin
<2023-02-12T06:34:46.000Z> hazlin: >fix a ton of problems before they beginHeard a minister say once "Isn't it strange how if you just follow the safety instructions, there are a lot fewer works of satan"
<2023-02-12T06:36:52.000Z> hazlin: I'm going to try laying down again
<2023-02-12T06:36:56.000Z> hazlin: ttyl :D
<2023-02-12T06:37:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: couldn't sleep?
<2023-02-12T06:37:14.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Try some milk maybe...
<2023-02-12T06:37:19.000Z> hazlin: I was super tired all day
<2023-02-12T06:37:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: later man
<2023-02-12T06:37:28.000Z> hazlin: layed down early, slept for 4 hours
<2023-02-12T06:37:33.000Z> hazlin: woke up thought it was morning lol
<2023-02-12T06:37:56.000Z> hazlin: >Try some milk maybegood idea, I'll have a glass of goat's milk :D
<2023-02-12T20:54:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: been getting tons of Raw and A2 milk, stuff is great
<2023-02-12T20:54:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: gonna look into making kefir
<2023-02-12T23:36:45.000Z> hazlin: nice
<2023-02-12T23:37:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So the process isnt too crazy
<2023-02-12T23:37:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Just need to learn if I can grow the starter myself
<2023-02-13T01:49:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Looks like I can...
<2023-02-13T01:50:12.000Z> hazlin: nice
<2023-02-13T01:50:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: oh yeah
<2023-02-13T01:50:27.000Z> hazlin: kefir time
<2023-02-13T01:50:40.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Now just to look into how to add berry and fruit flavors
<2023-02-13T01:51:05.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Dude... what if I can make this into a business?
<2023-02-13T01:51:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Might be hilarious though as I'd need to get bulk orders from one of the local dairys
<2023-02-13T02:00:29.000Z> hazlin: that would be a very cool business :D
<2023-02-13T02:02:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I'll have to reveiw the cottage laws for my state
<2023-02-13T04:24:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: May have issues because the cap for the container has to be sealed... Maybe I could bottle it in beer bottles with bottlecaps? Lmai
<2023-02-13T04:24:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ugh, forgot to budget for beer stuff
<2023-02-13T04:25:15.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: :aqua_cry: i was wanting to get back to brewing 
<2023-02-14T00:20:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >pouring over various dudes debating scripture>Someone mentions Peters other other name>Skandalon>check it out>Skandalon/Proskomma>Stumbling stone, the stone of offense>basically a stone, but a useless/harmful one
<2023-02-14T00:21:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: LMAO
<2023-02-14T00:21:28.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think I found another reason why the rcc hates the greek text
<2023-02-14T04:38:53.000Z> hazlin: xD
<2023-02-14T04:39:09.000Z> hazlin: but you know, Jesus was also called a stumbling stone
<2023-02-14T04:39:50.000Z> hazlin: but, I think you meant, they hate it, because that interpretation doesn't support their narrative of him being the foundation of the church
<2023-02-14T19:02:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: That and the fact that its literally a continuation of Jesus being perfectly human as well as peter collecting yet another rock name
<2023-02-14T19:03:37.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >follower screws up>immediately cracks a pun while reprimanding them
<2023-02-15T01:22:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think thats also something thats lost in translation, how human he was 
<2023-02-15T04:02:16.000Z> hazlin: I agree
<2023-02-15T05:14:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Like theres a few parts where its painfully clear that hes being sarcastic 
<2023-02-18T02:13:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Gonna have to pray for strength
<2023-02-18T02:14:27.000Z> hazlin: :O
<2023-02-18T02:15:15.000Z> hazlin: Whats up friend?
<2023-02-18T03:16:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Fat, lazy guy at work is trying to play games. Supervisors arent having though but said to be smart going foreward 
<2023-02-18T03:18:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Nothing too bad, but could be an issue going forward
<2023-02-18T03:19:51.000Z> hazlin: I've made request to God on this matter, and things are going to go your way friend :D
<2023-02-18T03:21:05.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Stuff is pretty ridiculous, its going to be a proper test of my strength and discipline. Gonna have to play things cool no matter what. 
<2023-02-18T03:21:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Thank you
<2023-02-18T03:21:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Thank you
<2023-02-18T03:24:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Going to be hard though, 
<2023-02-18T03:29:46.000Z> hazlin: It is an opportunity for faith xD 
<2023-02-18T03:30:05.000Z> hazlin: This demonic fallen world, tried to destroy everyone
<2023-02-18T03:30:10.000Z> hazlin: but you have Jesus to rely upon
<2023-02-18T03:34:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yes. 
<2023-02-18T03:34:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Oh, did you ever get your Stargate set?
<2023-02-18T03:41:28.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Its not so much the world as it is just one particularly fallen person. Just need to rely on God
<2023-02-18T03:41:35.000Z> hazlin: I have it, haven't watched any of it yet xD
<2023-02-18T03:42:14.000Z> hazlin: watching it is on the TODO list
<2023-02-18T03:42:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I forgot that season 9-10 are pretty anti-trad/rcc 
<2023-02-18T03:42:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ah
<2023-02-18T03:43:34.000Z> hazlin: The business and ministry have been pretty busy for the last 2 to 3 weeks xD
<2023-02-18T03:43:47.000Z> hazlin: Today was the first day where I sat and did almost nothing 
<2023-02-18T03:43:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Busy in a good way?
<2023-02-18T03:43:57.000Z> hazlin: Busy in a good way
<2023-02-18T03:44:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: That great 👌
<2023-02-18T03:46:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also hunting through various kefir cultures and trying to learn about it, and due to local insanity I may have to start brewing beer again
<2023-02-18T03:47:39.000Z> hazlin: Industrious as always :D 
<2023-02-18T03:49:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: .25$ increased tax per serving on alcohol. Buying a six pack? 1.50 increase. 16 pack? 4$ increase. And who knows what happens with whiskeys or wines. Per serving as in a bottle or serving as in an actual serving?
<2023-02-18T03:50:37.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: More like slowly becoming a weird monk thats against the modern world
<2023-02-18T03:51:18.000Z> hazlin: :D
<2023-02-18T03:51:44.000Z> hazlin: A monk and his beer, against the world, sounds like Martin Luther xD
<2023-02-18T03:52:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Not that bad though lmao
<2023-02-18T03:58:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: More so like being like what was intended rather than whats happened with the world
<2023-02-18T03:59:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Besides, standing against corruption and learning a skill I can pass on is absurdly important. Thats something that our generation never properly got: taught skills and abilities to help improve our lives and help bind our communities and familie together
<2023-02-18T04:01:50.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also had a hilarious but absurd idea to force people to learn about history properly
<2023-02-18T04:05:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ah! 
<2023-02-18T04:05:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I forgot to change the docs to .text, was going to show youthe rendering I was working on. Genesis is rather interesting 
<2023-02-18T04:11:43.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Firmament is weirdly improper, specially since it tends to mean a physical object
<2023-02-18T04:12:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Whereas the proper words should be rendered as "Vault of the sky"
<2023-02-18T04:23:36.000Z> hazlin: ooo
<2023-02-18T04:23:46.000Z> hazlin: >Besides, standing against corruption and learning a skill I can pass on is absurdly important. Thats something that our generation never properly got: taught skills and abilities to help improve our lives and help bind our communities and familie togetherYES
<2023-02-18T04:24:26.000Z> hazlin: >Whereas the proper words should be rendered as "Vault of the sky"That is probably why people have been speculating about what was in the sky
<2023-02-18T04:25:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Oh?
<2023-02-18T04:25:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I just figure its because the medieval ideas influnced the concept and caused firmament to be the word used
<2023-02-18T04:37:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Firmament directly leads to the idea of flatearth imo
<2023-02-18T04:45:18.000Z> hazlin: oh really
<2023-02-18T04:45:40.000Z> hazlin: Is there a good objective definition for Firmament? Any idea on the word origins
<2023-02-18T04:55:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: General definitions hint at a physical thing, a container or frame
<2023-02-18T04:57:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: This led, as well as the rebuild using the conlang, to the flatearth idea of earths cosmology
<2023-02-18T05:30:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Imo anyways
<2023-02-18T05:31:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The greek word used though means vault of the sky
<2023-02-20T03:07:47.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Never heard of such a thing, what prompted this?
<2023-02-20T03:09:38.000Z> hazlin: I can see it clearly in the NT verses I showed
<2023-02-20T03:09:53.000Z> hazlin: and I've heard it taught that it was taught in the OT Law
<2023-02-20T03:09:57.000Z> hazlin: but looking for it
<2023-02-20T03:10:06.000Z> hazlin: I haven't found it yet xD
<2023-02-20T03:11:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dunno, seems like one of the "rebuilt" ideas that are caused by people approximating concepts back into the past without actual knowledge of such, 
<2023-02-20T03:13:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: kind of like the dot and tittle crap
<2023-02-20T03:16:08.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: effectively finding something erroneously in the NT and then projecting it backward in time without regard to reality, in the dot and tittle case being that the conlang we call "hebrew" being actual hebrew
<2023-02-20T03:17:00.000Z> hazlin: erm, I am not sure what your objection is, the NT language is pretty clear, I'm not debating the meaning, I was just looking for more direct support in the OT outside of first fruits 
<2023-02-20T03:17:53.000Z> hazlin: Are you objecting to the concept of supporting an idea from the OT, or objecting to my conclusions about the NT scriptures?
<2023-02-20T03:18:11.000Z> hazlin: with* the OT
<2023-02-20T03:19:03.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: the idea of it originating in the OT, though its likely that Im misunderstanding this lol
<2023-02-20T03:22:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: so not trying to disprove it then? I dont think I fully get the idea though...
<2023-02-20T03:23:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: hmmm
<2023-02-20T03:23:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: in those instances was God speaking to bankers/taxmen?
<2023-02-20T03:34:21.000Z> hazlin: Yeah, not trying to disprove it, I had heard a teacher which I trust, many years ago, say "In the old testament God established that if you gave down payment in wheat, you'd have to provide the rest of the payment in wheat, if you gave partial payment in sheep you'd have to give the full payment in sheep"The person who said this, has been highly accurate on many things, and this is the first time I went to find it in the OT xD
<2023-02-20T03:34:52.000Z> hazlin: It could be, I've misunderstood all this time, and he want building off the concept of first fruits all this time
<2023-02-20T03:35:11.000Z> hazlin: was* building
<2023-02-20T03:40:47.000Z> hazlin: I've queued up an audiobook for the Law books of the Bible xD
<2023-02-20T03:41:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: maybe
<2023-02-20T03:41:22.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: May need to check in on various commentaries from scholars...
<2023-02-20T03:41:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Gill is solid, despite being a heretic
<2023-02-20T03:41:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: very well researched
<2023-02-20T04:02:20.000Z> hazlin: hmm looking at the cross references and commentaries on biblehub, several talk about it being a part of a whole
<2023-02-20T04:02:27.000Z> hazlin: but no one makes reference to the OT
<2023-02-20T05:01:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: huh
<2023-02-20T05:02:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: maybe its because of outside record concepts/
<2023-02-20T05:02:46.000Z> hazlin: Yes, I am thinking that is likely
<2023-02-20T05:04:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: likely finding that the deposit and full payments were likewise could be the originator of the idea
<2023-02-20T05:09:14.000Z> hazlin: at the very least I need to re-evaluate this topic, honestly I'd been using the OT reference that I cannot find as the basis for how I was considering these things xDAnd the reality is I need to rebuild my concept using the NT scriptures.First examination, it seems that my interpretation wont change, I just wont reference a non-existent OT parallel xD
<2023-02-20T05:10:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: lmao
<2023-02-20T05:10:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: well yeah, probably a good idea lmao
<2023-02-24T04:07:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Sup
<2023-02-24T05:10:57.000Z> hazlin: howdy howdy
<2023-02-24T16:21:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Dude, honestly pretty shocked by what Im finding in terms of vtubers lmao
<2023-02-24T17:09:56.000Z> hazlin: lol,
<2023-02-24T17:10:32.000Z> hazlin: There are so many things you could mean by that xD
<2023-02-24T17:18:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Pretty much do. Its a mess and not good
<2023-02-24T17:19:21.000Z> hazlin: I agree with that, lol I think in general, the trend is designed to, make people form para-social relationships with AI
<2023-02-24T17:19:51.000Z> hazlin: in the short term, they are only allowing semi-trad vtuber streamers to train audience 
<2023-02-24T17:20:12.000Z> hazlin: and slowing replacing them with streamers that have more and more degenerate ideologies 
<2023-02-24T17:54:01.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Oh they arent trad, the english ones are downright degenerate. I think its because the jap ones are heing handled as idols versus how "celebrities" are in western nations
<2023-02-24T17:56:12.000Z> hazlin: I only meant trad by comparison xD
<2023-02-24T17:57:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Well yeau
<2023-02-24T17:57:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Though i think its because idol stuff keeps them in line
<2023-02-24T18:16:57.000Z> hazlin: probably, once again their trad culture benefits them over others xD
<2023-02-24T19:16:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think its more of a better mental concept of what a micro-celebrity is as opposed to the west. In the west theyre raging degenerates and they dont actually have to worry about their self image or getting work, in japan being an idol is a means of self promotion to get work. So Korone has to be good and presentable if she wants to have a job once her streaming time with the company ends, whereas the En-hololive tards are just emulating their favorite degenerates and ruining their own futures
<2023-02-24T19:19:01.000Z> hazlin: ahh makes sense
<2023-02-24T21:20:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: though, there a few of the japanese ones who are burning through their acceptability for immediate popularity...,
<2023-02-24T21:22:08.000Z> hazlin: I noticed that as well, the one that came to mind, even seems to be artificially being boosted
<2023-02-24T21:27:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: well it would be a huge boon for alot of corporate interests, though I highly doubt it'll take off as a thing here in the west. Imagine if you were an agent and suddenly you could promote incredibly basic or even ugly actors lmao
<2023-02-25T00:19:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Imagine if you could promote a model regardless of what she looked like
<2023-02-25T00:20:24.000Z> hazlin: I think you mean
<2023-02-25T00:20:41.000Z> hazlin: imagine if you could promote someone regardless of their appeal xD
<2023-02-25T00:20:46.000Z> hazlin: you just create appeal
<2023-02-25T00:21:07.000Z> hazlin: those we are talented with their voice, can be audiobook actors
<2023-02-25T00:25:39.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yes, but modern media is driven by looks, hence the big booba anime avatars
<2023-02-25T00:31:56.000Z> hazlin: that is my point, they don't have to develop any appeal, they usually talk shit to the viewers, and are bad at video games
<2023-02-25T00:32:13.000Z> hazlin: literally anyone could do that
<2023-02-25T01:15:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yup
<2023-02-25T01:15:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: And most of those promoted dont have real skills for entertainment either
<2023-02-25T01:16:28.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also think I decided on something morderately worthwhile to work out the trads of their obsession
<2023-02-25T01:23:15.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: "Does your god prefer obedience or sacrifice?"Definitely would work in regards to alot of their unnecessary fluff. Also the "your" might jostle them. 
<2023-02-25T01:26:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Probably followed by some version of "And what does Jesus prefer?"
<2023-02-25T01:56:40.000Z> hazlin: I like it
<2023-02-25T01:57:15.000Z> hazlin: like they may go light switch brain, and insist that it isn't sacrifice, it is obedience 
<2023-02-25T02:00:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: But in the cases of fluff versus bare bones (types of churches) the difference is undeniable
<2023-02-25T02:02:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Small Town wooden church protestants are all about obedience to a fault even, whereas giant cathedrals are the epitomy of sacrifice foremost
<2023-02-25T02:04:56.000Z> hazlin: I think, objectively, they are both wrong in the context of what people believe obedience is, but, what will you assert that they need to be obedient to that will conflict with their sacrifice?
<2023-02-25T02:07:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: In particular: obedient to God moreso than pursuing ridiculous fluff like decking out their church in gold and basically ensuring it'll be a horrific money drain and all for naught
<2023-02-25T02:17:02.000Z> hazlin: I think, their great sin, is they see God has having a room with a feast going on, and they think they are supposed to stand outside and starve. The illusion that helps them live in this state, is the prop up representatives from among themselves as the feast masters, they put them on a never ending treadmill of not doing until to earn anything from the feast, "I am so hungry, and my boy is starving to death" a man says, but their make-believe representative reassures them "there is no bread for you or your son because the feast master is trying to teach you something"
<2023-02-25T02:17:32.000Z> hazlin: I think, their great sin, is they see God has having a room with a feast going on, and they think they are supposed to stand outside and starve. The illusion that helps them live in this state, is the prop up representatives from among themselves as the feast masters, they put them on a never ending treadmill of not doing until to earn anything from the feast, "I am so hungry, and my boy is starving to death" a man says, but their make-believe representative reassures them "there is no bread for you or your son because the feast master is trying to teach you something"
<2023-02-25T02:17:44.000Z> hazlin: all along, they were each given a menu and among them are waiters who will bring what ever the ask for
<2023-02-25T02:19:21.000Z> hazlin: "the feast master doesn't give you more than you can bear, straight up, this is all for what is good"
<2023-02-25T02:19:31.000Z> hazlin: mean while, it couldn't be farther from the truth
<2023-02-25T02:21:11.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I'm moreso talking about the guys who are obsessive about burning absurdly expensive incense for services while essentially not meeting their responsibilities to their community... But that's a good point
<2023-02-25T02:21:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: In my take it's more of an issue of practicality 
<2023-02-25T02:22:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Would God want us to deck out the church with gold and statues and have the pastor dressed up like a king, or should we use the money to get tons of bibles and spread the word?
<2023-02-25T02:23:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Or am I misunderstanding what you mean? XD
<2023-02-25T02:25:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It's like the bizarre issue that the apostolics have where ensuring they can pay for multimillion dollar restoration on a barely used building is a priority, while antibiotics for the homeless theyre ministering to is too expensive
<2023-02-25T02:26:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: To them, they're so engrained in it, they don't notice that it's an issue most times
<2023-02-25T04:55:21.000Z> hazlin: You probably didn't miss what I meant.Essentially, I am asserting the that church governance puts itself in the place of God, and acts like God... but they have it all wrong.
<2023-02-25T04:56:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ah
<2023-02-25T04:56:42.000Z> hazlin: The church leadership says "give to me, because I represent God, cloth me with fine cloths because this is what God would demand, plate the building with Gold, because this is what God would demand, and deserves"
<2023-02-25T04:57:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I kind of did take it wrong, but that definitely makes sense
<2023-02-25T04:58:05.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net attached file https://varishangout.net/media/8fbdcdae-355e-4fc2-86f7-c103038af97c/1677296949796374.png
<2023-02-25T04:58:11.000Z> hazlin: and then they charge their congregation "do these things in service to your fellow man at your own expense, feed the homeless, care for the orphan, it is your duty to cut back, don't be wasteful or soft so you can care for others, this is what God demands"
<2023-02-25T04:58:52.000Z> hazlin: They literally just impose, their image of God onto other people.
<2023-02-25T04:59:42.000Z> hazlin: Mean while, God is like, I love you, I'll take care of you, I'll provide for you, I'll heal you, I'll satisfy you with a long full life.
<2023-02-25T04:59:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It is their duty, but having the church as an organization backing it and helping add more hands would be far more effective
<2023-02-25T05:00:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yup
<2023-02-25T05:00:57.000Z> hazlin: The church denies the heart of God, they do not emulate any of these desires God has promised to the people God has promised them too, and they demand everything that God doesn't demand 
<2023-02-25T05:02:13.000Z> hazlin: As a result, their sacrifices to God as demanded by the church, are not pleasing to God, their obedience to what the church teaches that God demands, are not pleasing to God
<2023-02-25T05:03:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: God desires obedience to him
<2023-02-25T05:05:13.000Z> hazlin: The outcome is that, many Christians think very poorly of God, they will feel unsafe and uncomfortable with God, this means they wont be able to trust God, and will probably only ever seek God's help in bitter prayers in times of desperation.
<2023-02-25T05:06:59.000Z> hazlin: and the rest of the time they will cling to sayings that dismiss the heart of God, like "God works all things together for good", or "God wont put more on you then you can bear", or "I got myself into this situation/sickness through my sin, God didn't put it on me, but He is trying to use it to teach me"
<2023-02-25T05:07:31.000Z> hazlin: it is demonic 
<2023-02-25T05:08:07.000Z> hazlin: To circle back ground to your point
<2023-02-25T05:08:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yes. Some of that is also social conditioning. Think that asking for help for little things is a waste of time. Something I've had to work on 
<2023-02-25T05:08:58.000Z> hazlin: I think that, if these churches/leadership emulated God, they would sell their building, and cloths, and everything, just to provide for the people in the church who were struggling, if there was a need and they didn't have the money to do so
<2023-02-25T05:10:07.000Z> hazlin: And, I can see that my message skipped past that to, they don't even need to sell their riches to meet the needs of those they lead, because God wants to provide! 
<2023-02-25T05:10:21.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It's just something that always struck me as weird from apostolics when trying to shame protestants/nondenoms for having simple wood slat style buildings or like how my current church is: tin
<2023-02-25T05:11:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: As a southerner that wood slat style speaks to me, weirdly more pretty imo that the bizarre obsession with carved marble and gold
<2023-02-25T05:11:37.000Z> hazlin: From Luther's 95 Thesis:"50. Christians are to be taught that if the pope knew the exactions of the pardon-preachers, he would rather that St. Peter's church should go to ashes, than that it should be built up with the skin, flesh and bones of his sheep."
<2023-02-25T05:12:39.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: As in he'd rather kill them so long as they got a building out of them? Odd way of phrasing it but pretty direct
<2023-02-25T05:13:18.000Z> hazlin: What you are describing is a fundamental issue that has always existed with the church, that can be seen in that quote from Luther, and is a result of their ignorance about the heart of God.
<2023-02-25T05:14:32.000Z> hazlin: What you are describing is a fundamental issue that has always existed with the church, that can be seen in that quote from Luther, and is a result of their ignorance about the heart of God.
<2023-02-25T05:15:21.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Seems like, isn't this brought up as an issue with peters group in the NT too? I think it was... 
<2023-02-25T05:15:25.000Z> hazlin: apologies, I upon reloading the page, I can see you were replying xD
<2023-02-25T05:15:43.000Z> hazlin: I didn't mean to monolog at you ignoring your input, I couldn't see them xD
<2023-02-25T05:15:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I've been drinking whiskey so... Hard to properly recall right this minute
<2023-02-25T05:16:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Nah, it's cool man
<2023-02-25T05:16:07.000Z> hazlin: #Soapbox DM/chat ftw
<2023-02-25T05:17:00.000Z> hazlin: Let me read what you wrote, and then respond to you xD
<2023-02-25T05:18:21.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It's funny though cuz I'm watching you reply in real time lmao
<2023-02-25T05:22:55.000Z> hazlin: >As in he'd rather kill them so long as they got a building out of them?I think Luther meant that, the pope, if he was the image of Jesus on the earth, would rather trade the grand building, then let the skin flesh and bones of his sheep be devoured
<2023-02-25T05:23:40.000Z> hazlin: >It's funny though cuz I'm watching you reply in real time lmaoRereading the exchange, it seemed like we were talking lol
<2023-02-25T05:24:56.000Z> hazlin: I didn't even have to clarify anything, because you were following right along xD
<2023-02-25T05:26:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yup 
<2023-02-25T05:26:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: 🤣
<2023-02-25T05:27:43.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: And cuz none of it was off key to the responses, I didn't notice anything off about it all 
<2023-02-25T05:27:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Lol
<2023-02-25T21:44:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Oh well
<2023-02-26T17:42:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >church needs new g
<2023-02-26T17:42:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Guys for leadership stuff
<2023-02-26T17:43:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >decidedly sure it isn't a great time for that
<2023-02-26T20:45:05.000Z> hazlin: xD
<2023-02-26T20:49:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Like... 
<2023-02-26T20:49:47.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: They aren't ready for what needs to be said and I know eventually I'll be noticed and asked to help out
<2023-02-26T20:52:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Cuz at some point or another I'll speak I'll of their favorite false gods and it'll be a mess
<2023-02-26T20:55:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ill*
<2023-02-26T20:55:40.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Moderately decent church, just huge "Israel" heresy issue
<2023-02-26T20:58:49.000Z> hazlin: I am in a similar position, I've been asked to volunteer (at my church that means, get a background check and take an interview) for cleaning toilets, and directing traffic in the parking lot
<2023-02-26T21:01:10.000Z> hazlin: The two people that really pressed me on the issue of service at the church, I told them, "Me and the pastor hear different things from God, and I don't want to get into conflict"
<2023-02-26T21:02:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Occupied Palestine and jew worship is straight up a Boniface and the tree situation, but yeah. Kind of similar. XD
<2023-02-26T21:03:50.000Z> hazlin: I meant in, being pushed to serve, but disagreeing strongly with what is being taught
<2023-02-26T21:06:22.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yeah. Mine would be them asking for me to help with either classes or even potentially filling in as a backup backup backup pastor once they fully catch wind of how knowledgeable I am only to then blow up at me after the fact when I inadvertently happen to mention that non-Christians, especially the larping khazarians, will be going to hell
<2023-02-26T21:08:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Being pushed to help out though is kind of rude, considering that there should be a good number of people who should want to volunteer if all is well
<2023-02-26T21:14:10.000Z> hazlin: Yeah, hopefully they will look to the Lord to make things clear, how should teach
<2023-02-26T21:17:09.000Z> hazlin: who* should teach
<2023-02-26T21:20:57.000Z> hazlin: Even if I am asked to teach, or write a book, I'm going to look to God to work such a thing out
<2023-02-26T21:21:26.000Z> hazlin: If there is one thing I am certain of, it is that, people can't learn the things of God, unless He is doing the heavy lifting xD
<2023-02-26T21:38:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yup
<2023-02-26T21:38:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yup
<2023-02-26T23:57:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: gonna go for getting a model made thats somewhat on key for what I sort of look like, think I'll try to push for a better vtuber culture using it; that and demanding social/political sanity
<2023-02-27T00:01:01.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Thinking between a modernized version of CSA styled chaplain or just a straight up monk
<2023-02-27T00:01:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: gotta make some starting art to give the modeler an idea of what I want
<2023-02-27T00:13:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: lmao
<2023-02-27T00:13:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: definitely going to run with that idea
<2023-02-27T00:45:06.000Z> hazlin: nice :D
<2023-02-27T00:54:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Im hoping they don't realize the uniform regalia since they're apparently either mexican or spanish
<2023-02-27T00:55:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: XD
<2023-02-27T00:55:14.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: otherwise I likely wont get the model
<2023-02-27T00:59:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: lol
<2023-02-27T01:02:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Should be fun
<2023-02-27T01:03:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Might be hilarious if this ends up having distinct social consequences too
<2023-02-27T01:06:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: one part larp, one part scifi, one part being overly legitimate and real
<2023-02-27T01:06:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Vestments being a mix between ceremonial and a stab vest lmao
<2023-02-27T03:31:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: You see this? https://varishangout.net/media/66156fa8-120e-4c41-88b7-9aebc5f7a299/1677369015996730m%20-%202023-02-25T194524.619.jpg
<2023-02-27T07:44:19.000Z> hazlin: what is the significance?
<2023-02-27T15:02:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It's from the Azov battalion,specifically their or group, actual literal satanists and neopagans 
<2023-02-27T16:55:14.000Z> hazlin: lol!
<2023-02-27T16:56:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Absoluelty insane
<2023-02-27T17:06:33.000Z> hazlin: I thought you were going to say that was the pope
<2023-02-27T17:08:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: that is the pope
<2023-02-27T17:08:11.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: LMAO
<2023-02-27T17:08:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: the bracelt is from the azov's pr group
<2023-02-27T17:13:18.000Z> hazlin: that is a really strange connection xD
<2023-02-27T17:31:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The whole azov thing stinks to high heaven too the more I look at it
<2023-02-27T17:32:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Neo-Nazis who buy from israel and have a blatantly jewish leader and they promote paganism and satanism as their primary religions... It's like they were made in a lab to make the most obnoxious and ridiculously comical villian possible
<2023-02-27T17:36:39.000Z> hazlin: honestly, I don't know what to think of them
<2023-02-27T17:37:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think they're the proper embodiment of the term "useful idiot", which likely means that once Ukraine is softened up enough they'll likely become communist once the war is over
<2023-02-27T17:39:19.000Z> hazlin: Maybe? There is just no consistency with them. The ideas, their purpose, their support. Actually that is the worst part, the support, NWO approved 
<2023-02-27T17:39:23.000Z> hazlin: that makes things the clearest
<2023-02-27T17:40:25.000Z> hazlin: Are they designed to entrain fashists into supporting the NWO?
<2023-02-27T17:40:54.000Z> hazlin: like, "it didn't matter what they believed, as long as they supported the right people, see they were rewarded, and so can you be rewarded"
<2023-02-27T18:18:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Im starting to think one guys theory about them is true, that they were meant to entrapt the various rightwing persons in the west to support them so the various govts could then label us all as traitors and enemies, but no one went for it so now the leftists are forced to support them and their schizophrenic image
<2023-02-27T18:20:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Hence why, despite being ruled over by the nwo and khazarians, they're allowed to be decked out in what is unmistably nazi larp materials
<2023-02-27T18:21:28.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: something that usually in yurop results in social and legal destruction
<2023-02-27T18:24:07.000Z> hazlin: doesn't always
<2023-02-27T18:24:44.000Z> hazlin: the more compliant you are, the less you are harassed, for example, NJP seems more controlled, less opposed, than a group like PF
<2023-02-27T18:25:19.000Z> hazlin: Given the choice, I think they would rather have their opposition known and controlled 
<2023-02-27T18:26:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: PF?
<2023-02-27T18:26:19.000Z> hazlin: PF doesn't self isolate by identifying with the propaganda image of natsoc, they show up, and do good, and try to embody their values
<2023-02-27T18:26:24.000Z> hazlin: patriot front
<2023-02-27T18:26:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: ah yeah
<2023-02-27T18:26:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: well, they're predicatable and therefore easy to ignore. 
<2023-02-27T18:27:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: they know they arent a threat
<2023-02-27T18:27:49.000Z> hazlin: I think you missed my point, Azov > NJP > PF, by order of NWO approval 
<2023-02-27T18:28:24.000Z> hazlin: they actually intercept and arrest people in PF when because they are actually a threat
<2023-02-27T18:28:36.000Z> hazlin: the other two are firmly controlled 
<2023-02-27T18:28:49.000Z> hazlin: the greatest threat was the Freedom Convey in Canada
<2023-02-27T18:28:55.000Z> hazlin: they were struct down the hardest 
<2023-02-27T18:30:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yes, NJP isn't considered a threat becuase they're controlled, whereas PF is a threat becuase they're unpredictable. I should have been more clear
<2023-02-27T18:30:17.000Z> hazlin: The more directly you take action to build an alternative power structure, the stronger the immune response from NWO
<2023-02-27T18:30:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: organic opposition is immediately attacked because its the most likely to have a result
<2023-02-27T18:30:49.000Z> hazlin: yes
<2023-02-28T01:03:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: And bingo on the voice changer proofs lmao
<2023-02-28T02:11:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: man, all of these female vtubers are ridiculous
<2023-02-28T02:11:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: the more I look, the angrier and more disgusted I egt
<2023-02-28T02:11:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: lmao
<2023-02-28T02:13:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Literally the next evolution of ethots
<2023-03-01T01:43:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net attached file https://varishangout.net/media/d6fe38f3-b032-42e2-81d9-a75839752c47/Jude.txt
<2023-03-01T01:45:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net attached file https://varishangout.net/media/01c6aac9-c3f9-4469-a9f1-cc9fe55d5b17/1.The%20Origin.txt
<2023-03-01T05:46:08.000Z> hazlin: Is this the spurg translation?
<2023-03-01T10:43:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yup
<2023-03-01T10:43:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Sky-vault
<2023-03-01T10:43:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Sky-vault
<2023-03-01T10:44:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Gonna try and do comparisons with patriarchal text and the CP text
<2023-03-01T10:44:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Errr.... Complutensian polyglot
<2023-03-01T10:45:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It's compariablt to the TR but came out a few years before and is slightly different
<2023-03-01T10:53:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Hoping it'll make for a more learned and better representation of the text than what the various jewish companies keep copyrighting
<2023-03-02T02:37:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: What do you think? 
<2023-03-02T02:38:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I'm definitely going to have to work on more and read further into other legitimate translations that were made to get a better understanding of odd sections
<2023-03-02T02:39:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Like the water above in genesis, though I think this has to do with metaphorical language and the celestial "sea" being those waters
<2023-03-02T07:39:35.000Z> hazlin: Spurg, I am the wrong person to give feedback about this
<2023-03-02T07:40:17.000Z> hazlin: I am going to disappear because you drift from the hebrew where I think it is important, and you'll drive from the LXX where I think it is important 
<2023-03-02T07:40:34.000Z> hazlin: I wrote a bunch of messages and then deleted them all, because I want to be supportive xD
<2023-03-02T07:42:09.000Z> hazlin: While we both have a relationship with Jesus, and can talk productively, we are simply too divergent on OT issues for me to be a good sounding board here
<2023-03-02T07:44:49.000Z> hazlin: And, it isn't just your translation here, I am hypercritical of all translations, I've grown used to the KJV's character, and cross referencing
<2023-03-02T07:46:27.000Z> hazlin: >I am going to *disagree*
<2023-03-02T15:15:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ah
<2023-03-02T15:16:03.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Lmao
<2023-03-02T15:51:29.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Oops?
<2023-03-02T15:55:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Btw, bulk ordered a huge amount A2 dairy. This stuff is literally perfect. The heavy cream is the best 
<2023-03-02T16:43:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Or maybe a Kamen rider styled avatar...
<2023-03-02T17:19:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Can't really disagree functionally on the Hebrew, it's moreso that I have issues with legitimacy of what we call Hebrew now and the Masoretic text. The older excerpts they keep finding with the Dead sea scrolls though are pretty unquestionably imo
<2023-03-02T17:20:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Well, thoughts on the NT bit? I've got a couple more of those
<2023-03-02T19:05:08.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: KJV is pretty solid as am ecumenical document and since I'm mostly pulling from the textus it's more or less the same
<2023-03-03T00:59:14.000Z> hazlin: I'll take a look at your jude
<2023-03-03T00:59:32.000Z> hazlin: I... have not spent much time there xD
<2023-03-03T01:02:08.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: In the NT? 
<2023-03-03T01:03:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: That's actually my favorite part lmao 
<2023-03-03T01:03:29.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Guess that's likely the cause of the difference in our textual basis 
<2023-03-03T01:04:40.000Z> hazlin: Jude 1:1 I believe Paul identifies himself as a specific kind of slave, one bought for a price 
<2023-03-03T01:05:03.000Z> hazlin: that is, a bond slave 
<2023-03-03T01:08:38.000Z> hazlin: Jude 1:3 using faith instead of belief was definitely the correct choice xD
<2023-03-03T01:09:03.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I'll have to recheck why I rendered it that way, but I think it was because the Greek didn't specify. From here I was gonna run through a handful of the other texts and then historical traditions to further determine if any other changes needed to bemade to my rendering
<2023-03-03T01:11:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Personally though, I do have to say that working through a rendering and doing tons of cross-references should be mandatory æearning in seminaries. Literally learned most of what I know this way and it stick in the brain 
<2023-03-03T01:12:25.000Z> hazlin: nice :D
<2023-03-03T01:12:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I may not be able to quote verses from memory, but I usually have a solid recall that's higher than typical
<2023-03-03T01:19:09.000Z> hazlin: hmm 1:4 doesn't seem to retain the same meaning in your renderingI think you could make your version work with a "replacing the grace of our God with* lewdness"But I think the literal would be "moving out of the grace of our God into lewdness"
<2023-03-03T01:21:04.000Z> hazlin: I think, the switch from moving your self to changing the object is fine, but if you mix positional and relational words like you've got it in your rendering, it doesn't carry over either into the English 
<2023-03-03T01:21:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yeah, I'm noticing that now lmao 
<2023-03-03T01:22:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: 🤣 the 'to' actually sounds off
<2023-03-03T01:24:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Mostly I want to make something that's easier to read while also closer to what's supposed to be in the text as opposed to what's been snuck in
<2023-03-03T01:25:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Like in the OT about the test of bitter waters 
<2023-03-03T01:26:11.000Z> hazlin: honestly, the abortion interpretation for that makes no sense at all, regardless of the translation 
<2023-03-03T01:27:19.000Z> hazlin: I put that on the same level as "god is love is god"
<2023-03-03T01:27:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yes, but the fact that the corporate types went for that is disturbing 
<2023-03-03T01:28:03.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Clearly evil people holding copyrights that shouldn't exist
<2023-03-03T01:29:14.000Z> hazlin: but, the spirit of all legalists is to interpret the scripture to the letter, often bending the meanings of words, and recontextualizing 
<2023-03-03T01:29:39.000Z> hazlin: >copyrightsshould not exist lol
<2023-03-03T01:30:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I dunno, lifetime of the creator or death of the IP seems fair imo. But once either happens it's free game. 
<2023-03-03T01:30:40.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: This Disney madness though is absurd
<2023-03-03T01:31:09.000Z> hazlin: there wont be any copyrights in heaven
<2023-03-03T01:33:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Lots of things won't be there, hopefully dogs will be though
<2023-03-03T01:34:48.000Z> hazlin: In so far as I can tell, copyright's only role is to prevent people from building on informative stories and culture they became a part of them while they were growing up
<2023-03-03T01:36:08.000Z> hazlin: I've keep track of some artists, and they often had their content stolen, by companies, but the law was never quite on their side, so they never benefited from the copyright laws xD
<2023-03-03T01:38:19.000Z> hazlin: I used to feel like "one day these laws will benefit me, like they do these large corporations", but time has disabused me of that possible reality xD
<2023-03-03T01:42:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >nutrek stole some guys idea about tardigrades 
<2023-03-03T01:42:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yeah
<2023-03-03T01:43:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: But typically that sometimes isnt always the case though
<2023-03-03T01:44:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Besides, Disney has pushed it to the limit and beyond but now it's beyond parody. That and Nintendo and more. I have a feeling that copyright will eventually changed back to the proper standard 
<2023-03-03T01:44:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Though...
<2023-03-03T01:44:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The us govt did use copyright as a way of avoiding having to pay a guy after screwing over a patent holding for decades beforehand...
<2023-03-03T01:49:55.000Z> hazlin: bottom line for me is, it seems cursed, and I don't plan on relying on the USG for anything xD
<2023-03-03T01:54:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Say solid plan lol
<2023-03-03T02:03:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dude
<2023-03-03T02:04:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So I started buying organic farm foods
<2023-03-03T02:07:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The new milk I've been buying is isane
<2023-03-03T02:07:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Not nearly as good as raw milk
<2023-03-03T02:07:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: but still very very solid
<2023-03-03T02:11:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Still cant believe that all of my kids are A1 protein sensative
<2023-03-03T02:12:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: is it something that runs in the family, or an indication that factory dairies are creating mutagenic cows that are making undrinkable milk
<2023-03-03T02:44:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: stuff is interesting
<2023-03-03T02:44:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Specially since A1 protien is a recent change to cows
<2023-03-03T02:58:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: also finally sat down with my ereader and have been blasting through books, need to reread through the various writings of the saints
<2023-03-03T02:58:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Always a good thing to study for context or hilarity
<2023-03-03T03:03:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also starting to get shocked at ereaders arent more prevelant as a tech 
<2023-03-03T03:26:05.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dang it
<2023-03-03T03:27:01.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: having to learn the various in and outs of the programs for the avatar, specially since I want to do custom stuff and I dont exactly want to commission if I can avoid it
<2023-03-03T03:37:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: plus, back to the drawing board for how to sync my face and do tracking, the free software I found is okay but not what I'm looking for
<2023-03-03T04:34:43.000Z> hazlin: eating better is important 
<2023-03-03T04:34:53.000Z> hazlin: lol actually we have been seeing the biggest difference in our dogs
<2023-03-03T14:27:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I can believe it. Just giving dogs eggs dramatically improves their coats
<2023-03-03T14:28:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: From azure though I'm starting to learn how to properly build up a pantry and make long-term plans for food, kind of interesting 
<2023-03-03T15:33:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Welp, today is going to be s trying yet hilarious day
<2023-03-03T17:35:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: https://varishangout.net/notice/ATFHuji1CLNVrtwCdU
<2023-03-03T17:36:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36080170/
<2023-03-04T16:24:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >going down the coats of skin rabbithole
<2023-03-12T14:44:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The current bank failures is pretty hilarious 
<2023-03-12T18:49:39.000Z> hazlin: It just seems to fake and gay
<2023-03-12T18:49:48.000Z> hazlin: That, I can't seem to care about it
<2023-03-12T19:00:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think its a result of the structure no longer having a solud foundation, its at least interesting as well as the fact that its going to cause a hilarious panic
<2023-03-12T19:01:37.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: bank run is coming monday lol
<2023-03-12T19:01:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dude, have you tried 6% milk/
<2023-03-12T19:35:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So what happened to the other instance? 
<2023-03-12T23:25:23.000Z> hazlin: ugh, I'm not exactly sure
<2023-03-12T23:25:32.000Z> hazlin: I think duke would do lots of drinking
<2023-03-12T23:25:35.000Z> hazlin: post shit he should not post
<2023-03-12T23:25:44.000Z> hazlin: then in a moment of regret shut everything down
<2023-03-12T23:26:17.000Z> hazlin: I'd gone back the second time, because he had told me, that he wasn't planning on using the instance, and I could use it for the next year
<2023-03-12T23:26:52.000Z> hazlin: well, that plan only seemed to last just a day or two before he recreated his account and started drunk posting lol
<2023-03-12T23:29:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dang
<2023-03-12T23:29:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: lol
<2023-03-12T23:30:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Well I gotta say, the 6% fat is the best milk I've ever had
<2023-03-13T01:30:54.000Z> hazlin: I bet
<2023-03-13T01:31:10.000Z> hazlin: I really enjoyed some 5% yogurt I picked up the other day
<2023-03-13T02:12:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Nice
<2023-03-13T02:13:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Gonna try and snag some hot wings and steak from azure this time
<2023-03-13T02:44:05.000Z> hazlin: nice
<2023-03-13T03:08:47.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It's cheaper, "organic", and actually arrives on time and frozen
<2023-03-13T03:08:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So absurdly jice
<2023-03-15T17:21:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Think I'm going to work on becoming more generally knowledgeable about scripture and various other saints
<2023-03-15T17:25:51.000Z> hazlin: A sound idea https://i.poastcdn.org/079b564ea19c91e695dc18f743d5be43c5bf983a08370732b25cef0f4d0f671b.jpg
<2023-03-15T17:26:43.000Z> hazlin: That is legit the most complete image of ina I've generated yet xD Apparently I needed the religious key words xD
<2023-03-15T17:45:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Weird
<2023-03-15T17:51:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Mostly because I want to go through and catalog better ways of relating more of general life to Christ and have more functional examples of things
<2023-03-15T18:12:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Might also start looking at promoting the idea of Christian Separatism 
<2023-03-15T19:38:03.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Basically: stop promoting a dead past we can't go back to, but instead an achievable and workable future. Instead of "We should do x,y,z thing because this wasn't allowed 30 years ago."We should"We will do x,y,z thing because sanity and safety matter."
<2023-03-15T20:35:52.000Z> hazlin: The appeal to tradition is weak, so that would be an improvement
<2023-03-15T20:49:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Any kind of appeal to the past never seems to work out, mostly because it always means dramatically different things to different people
<2023-03-15T21:05:43.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: But you can make the future whatever you need it to be
<2023-03-15T22:03:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Halfway tempted for giggles to learn the specifics of what the ancient Christians utilized for ecumenism and push for that
<2023-03-16T03:36:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I'm thinking I like the idea of spicy bible verses
<2023-03-16T14:00:17.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2023-03-17T01:16:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yeah, I think I'm gonna go full Christian Separatist
<2023-03-17T01:18:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: XD
<2023-03-17T01:18:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Kind of prayed about it and I'm not getting a no, not like other things so...
<2023-03-17T01:18:36.000Z> hazlin: Full on colony ship like the expanse?
<2023-03-17T01:20:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I wish tbh, but its too late to "go" anywhere; our only choice is to remove ourselves and either establish a community somewhere or build one with like believers and stay out of the domain of the corrupted world
<2023-03-17T01:21:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Maybe if they start a space colony program?
<2023-03-17T01:29:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It just kind of makes sense and in the coming years will likely be entirely necessary
<2023-03-17T01:31:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Im almost 100% we're going to go full weimar and the whole anti-Christianity thing is going to go into overdrive
<2023-03-17T02:01:16.000Z> hazlin: that would be the linear projection of current events
<2023-03-17T02:02:06.000Z> hazlin: But, I do not think things will progress as advertised 
<2023-03-17T02:02:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: hopefully not, but regardless it would be best to begin working on something to where people could live the way that God indented us to
<2023-03-17T02:03:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Plus it would be nice to get other people hooked on the idea of microranching/farming and actually having a functional community thats self sufficent
<2023-03-17T02:11:03.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I'm totally not addicted to raw milk or proper fresh eggs
<2023-03-18T00:02:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: https://varishangout.net/notice/ATio9m1aER3BCa24KeWhat do you think about this? 
<2023-03-18T00:05:13.000Z> hazlin: ugh, he is so far outside of the true believer spectrum, what is there to say
<2023-03-18T00:05:23.000Z> hazlin: he may as well be a pieville user
<2023-03-18T00:09:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Pieville?
<2023-03-18T00:09:50.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I can't even imagine seriously promoting this idea even jokingly
<2023-03-18T00:09:57.000Z> hazlin: the fedi instance with the most aggressive anti-christian users?
<2023-03-18T00:10:21.000Z> hazlin: If the image of the beast, is an AI, I can believe it
<2023-03-18T00:10:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yes, AI chatbots can communicate with the very voice of God! Lmao
<2023-03-18T00:10:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Guess I'm lucky, never even heard of them
<2023-03-19T01:49:43.000Z> hazlin: He gave my post a thumbs up
<2023-03-19T01:50:00.000Z> hazlin: and nether of the counter replies xD
<2023-03-19T01:50:05.000Z> hazlin: so I think my point hit home
<2023-03-19T01:50:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Maybe
<2023-03-19T01:57:39.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Doesn't seem the type tbh
<2023-03-19T02:15:02.000Z> hazlin: I would agree
<2023-03-19T02:15:18.000Z> hazlin: "oh you like anime boobs, well you should stop and get saved"
<2023-03-19T02:15:34.000Z> hazlin: does not fill me with confidence xD
<2023-03-19T02:27:39.000Z> hazlin: NCD + Bot -> that thread is officially dead
<2023-03-19T14:16:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yeah loll
<2023-03-19T14:16:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Started watched sga
<2023-03-21T05:03:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: have you hit the groundhog day episode of SG1? 
<2023-03-21T05:11:26.000Z> hazlin: I haven't even started SG1 xD I've been doing game creation or AI art creation with my free time https://i.poastcdn.org/36656a8d3cee7366f30f1660dae9c8bd21c7afa5220c1758247b62b97f7db54f.png
<2023-03-21T05:11:39.000Z> hazlin: Ususally when I watch something, I give it my full attention
<2023-03-21T05:20:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dang dude lol
<2023-03-21T05:20:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: though... I have been kind of ignoring max headroom
<2023-03-21T05:20:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: that stuff looks great though, cant wait to see it in action
<2023-03-21T05:22:18.000Z> hazlin: I too am really enjoying how the entities are looking xD
<2023-03-21T05:23:02.000Z> hazlin: Got some ideas for how it will play, but really, having the animated sprites, will get me most of the way to completion xD
<2023-03-21T05:23:05.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: their name or nomenclature?
<2023-03-21T05:23:08.000Z> hazlin: so I am focusing on that
<2023-03-21T05:23:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I might see about sitting down at some point and trying to learn rpgmaker
<2023-03-21T05:23:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: been wantng to give it a go to try it out
<2023-03-21T05:24:31.000Z> hazlin: nothing really has names yet, God gave me inspiration for a bunch of different game creatures in church xD so I have 15 doodles to bring to life in blender 
<2023-03-21T05:24:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: nice
<2023-03-21T05:25:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: :thumbs_up: 
<2023-03-21T05:26:08.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: mostly been thinking on and praying more about what exactly a separatist movement would be for stuff and have had some interesting ideas pop into my head, such as how to deal with the legality of tranny nonsense
<2023-03-21T05:26:32.000Z> hazlin: tbh, if you can make a script, or doodle and story board out a game in power point, that is legit like 90% of the work in a sprite based game
<2023-03-21T05:26:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: almost like an intrusive thought, but it makes perfect sense
<2023-03-21T05:26:41.000Z> hazlin: the other 9% is making all the sprites
<2023-03-21T05:26:47.000Z> hazlin: and 1% is making the game xD
<2023-03-21T05:26:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: interesting...
<2023-03-21T05:29:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: for instance, how to put an end to the tranny insanity through legal means and win
<2023-03-21T05:32:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: instead of arguing that whatever it is is a violation of ones personal religious liberty, argue that its a violation of religious liberty because theyve been handed a sanctioned offering from the state to forcibly proselytize 
<2023-03-21T05:32:42.000Z> hazlin: that sounds like, trying to cure cancer using doctors 
<2023-03-21T05:32:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: leftists wanted a secular society, we should give it to them
<2023-03-21T05:33:37.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: more like being handed a cudgel by satanists that was design specifically for bludgeoning satanists 
<2023-03-21T05:37:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The thing being: they cant have it both ways
<2023-03-21T05:38:15.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: man
<2023-03-21T05:38:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Im on my like 9th replay of PLA
<2023-03-21T05:38:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Im addicted to this game
<2023-03-21T05:38:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Havent been this consumed with a pokemon game since yellow
<2023-03-21T05:40:45.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2023-03-21T05:41:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: like.... I used to replay yellow hundreds of times just to see what I could and couldn't accomplish, and I find myself doing the same with PLA
<2023-03-21T05:42:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: theres just something comfy about it
<2023-03-21T05:43:06.000Z> hazlin: I know that feeling
<2023-03-21T05:43:33.000Z> hazlin: how I feel about factorio, and terraria 
<2023-03-21T05:43:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Slime rancher also tends to give the same feeling
<2023-03-21T05:44:03.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: its just fun and reasonably enjoyable
<2023-03-21T05:44:39.000Z> hazlin: Risk of Rain 2, and vampire survivor also gave me good feels and extreme replay ability 
<2023-03-21T05:44:57.000Z> hazlin: well, not as extreme as facotorio or modded minecraft
<2023-03-21T05:45:01.000Z> hazlin: but still considerable 
<2023-03-21T05:46:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: oh man
<2023-03-21T05:46:14.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: pixelmon for minecraft
<2023-03-21T05:48:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: basically pokemon overhaul
<2023-03-21T05:48:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dude....
<2023-03-21T05:48:25.000Z> hazlin: sup
<2023-03-21T05:48:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I should do that as an actual stream once I get my avatar stuff working
<2023-03-21T05:50:43.000Z> hazlin: I've only heard about it, never seen it played
<2023-03-21T05:54:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: pixelmon?
<2023-03-21T05:56:25.000Z> hazlin: yeah
<2023-03-21T05:57:22.000Z> hazlin: going to get some sleep friend
<2023-03-21T05:57:25.000Z> hazlin: have a good night
<2023-03-21T05:57:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: night man
<2023-03-21T05:58:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: pixelmon is honest the best incarnation of pokemon I can think of
<2023-03-21T22:06:44.000Z> hazlin: 4 directional idle animations https://i.poastcdn.org/ab856ed203214aedaf4cd73d8c41d459b3493aa0ca1646d3dc95390e956146df.m4v
<2023-03-22T00:56:05.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Going for a side scroller?
<2023-03-22T00:56:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Or 2.5D top down?
<2023-03-22T04:06:23.000Z> hazlin: 2d top down, but everything will have a side view look to it
<2023-03-22T04:06:35.000Z> hazlin: because well, that is how all the art is turning out lol
<2023-03-22T04:11:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ah
<2023-03-22T04:11:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Still, it's cool
<2023-03-24T19:58:29.000Z> hazlin: There was a thread the other day, about Noah's flood being a local event
<2023-03-24T20:06:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: There's a possibility that thats the case, though after learning more about general geology and inconsistincies with modern science/histroy I'm thinking global is far more likely.
<2023-03-24T20:07:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I'm starting to learn more towards that the flood is what killed the dinosaurs
<2023-03-24T20:09:19.000Z> hazlin: I agree
<2023-03-24T20:10:19.000Z> hazlin: I think the core of the local flood argument is born out of necessity to defend the two people's narrative for Christian Identitarians 
<2023-03-24T20:11:15.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The need to defend the faith while downplaying it in favor of secularism
<2023-03-24T20:11:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The breakdown on the neanderthal conspiracy made me rather sure that something "weird" was happening
<2023-03-24T20:13:15.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: basically that from the moment they were discovered until recently, archeologists and anthropologists were smashing out their nose bones and claiming that they were actually a form of ape
<2023-03-24T20:13:35.000Z> hazlin: The CI people seem to have backed themselves into a corner around the flood, which means they have to localize it, and attack the MG to make it a more abrupt event, but I still don't know the core behind rejecting the interbreeding of angels and humans
<2023-03-24T20:13:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: and that thats how we were related to apes
<2023-03-24T20:14:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: MG?
<2023-03-24T20:14:33.000Z> hazlin: sorry MT
<2023-03-24T20:15:39.000Z> hazlin: masoretic*
<2023-03-24T20:15:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: in my case I believe its a textual issue and interpretation issue in regards to the MT, as for them though its likely because it sounds too ridiculous to them so it goes purposefully ignored
<2023-03-24T20:15:58.000Z> hazlin: I just need to learn how to spell that, then I can stop relying on the abbreviation xD
<2023-03-24T20:16:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: eh, they're next to each other on the keyboard
<2023-03-24T20:19:27.000Z> hazlin: >textual issueYes, but just like the CI arguments above, there stalwart defense of a localized flood and attack of the MT timelines, isn't about the flood, but in defense of a more important narrative.So, when you tell me that, you are choosing the LXX over the MT for a difference in angels mating with humans narrative, I go... Why? I am unable to see the purpose in the change like I can with the CI stuff.
<2023-03-24T20:25:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: because the MT is corrupted, on purpose. Any general difference between it and other texts that were properly retained by Christians since the beginning should be looked at with extreme suspicion. Its also because since I was raised in a Baptist church and background, I'm very familiar with what happens when people encounter a problem and then try to extrapolate an answer. IMO zionists are trying to extrapolate an explanation for the difference in text while refusing to acknowledge their enemy and a basic irrefutable fact: the text received from people who hate God, did change it; ergo its likely not innfallible.
<2023-03-24T20:30:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: in the case of the MT, an inability to transcribe a word properly when they rebuilt their text from nothing was extrapolated out with a whole biblical narrative behind it; one that creates other long lasting implicative issues that can't be worked out or explained. For instance: If they hybrid giants were entirely eradicated, how did they reappear after the flood?From here though, you get guys like nugger, who instead of realizing theres a problem decide to dig themselves into a deeper hole by crafting an even bigger extrapolation to explain.
<2023-03-24T20:32:14.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It's like some of the issues you encounter with those outside the faith. When confronted with logical problems of something they believe, it just keeps rolling and rolling and rolling downhill with more and more needed explanations, rather than something straightforward and clear. But thats my belief of it anyways
<2023-03-24T20:32:15.000Z> hazlin: that is like saying, the MT is bad because it is bad.I don't think the MT has to be evil to reject jews that are hostile to Christians.And, in so far as I am aware, there is only 1 major change to the MT that happened around the 12 century to make a verse pointless to Jesus.But, that doesn't make it corrupted and evil, especially since the change was recorded and known.
<2023-03-24T20:32:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: XD
<2023-03-24T20:32:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: wrote you a whole essay 
<2023-03-24T20:33:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: What about the angels that Moses dealt with? 
<2023-03-24T20:34:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: They're present in the LXX, but not the MT. Because for a time the heretics decided that angels were improper. Paul mentions them in the NT. 
<2023-03-24T20:34:41.000Z> hazlin: Essentially, if there is a big problem with the MT, I am ignorant of it
<2023-03-24T20:35:08.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: IMO one of the big things that should be present throughout scripture should be consistency between OT and NT, LXX grants consistency which is why I prefer it
<2023-03-24T20:36:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So was there some CI losing their minds about the flood? lmao
<2023-03-24T20:37:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: its an acculimative thing of tiny changes and having come from people who inherently hate God, so I can't personally trust it
<2023-03-24T20:38:39.000Z> hazlin: ... THAT ISN'T REASSURING LOL, I was expecting you to tell me something concrete, but this is like saying that to MT has subconscious racism xD
<2023-03-24T20:41:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: theres purposeful textual changes in its raw, uncorrected form. For me thats concrete enough. Besides, its been the basis of allowing absolute heretics a way to engraft themselves to Christians and corrupt their understanding of sound doctrine. IMO thats more than enough
<2023-03-24T20:43:15.000Z> hazlin: Sadly, in so far as I can tell, there are no perfectly accurate transmissions of the scripture, in any language, from the OT to present day. Even the records kept by the Christians simply were not recorded in a high integrity manner
<2023-03-24T20:43:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I know its not great compared to other things I think, :cirno_shrug: but something about it overall just skeevs me out and I can't trust it. Is it a flaw on my part? Maybe. Lemme find the example of the extrapolation thing though, if you'd care to see it XD
<2023-03-24T20:43:37.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Baptists have a whole mythology about Arphaxad, or rather, why he's missing
<2023-03-24T20:43:45.000Z> hazlin: if something like the hexapla had been faithfully preserved, then there would be no mystery 
<2023-03-24T20:43:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Not high enough anyways
<2023-03-24T20:44:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yeah
<2023-03-24T20:44:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Personally I feel that the LXX is a more faithful rendition, its one of the reasons I get excited about the fragments of the Dead Sea Scrolls; they're slowly proving that the LXX was preserved quite well
<2023-03-24T20:47:48.000Z> hazlin attached file https://i.poastcdn.org/a8592b0818beb3627c0b4859830075ae5bf6d26bb4945f3e9c6b7723d1618846.jpg
<2023-03-24T20:49:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yup
<2023-03-24T20:49:28.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: that stuff
<2023-03-24T20:49:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So the mythology was about Cainan
<2023-03-24T20:50:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Cainan, son of Arphaxad. 
<2023-03-24T20:52:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Rather than acknowledge that the he was purposefully dropped from MT, likely for being a bad goy, baptists who fundamentally believe in the infallibility of scripture created a whole story explanation about it.
<2023-03-24T20:53:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I noticed this issue between the geneologies in OT and NT, and got fed the story. Then there are others who claim its a copyist error where Cainan was accidentally added, but that seems entirely unlikely... especially since: He appears properly in the LXX geneology
<2023-03-24T20:58:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: eh
<2023-03-24T20:58:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: maybe I'm just overly particular
<2023-03-24T21:01:44.000Z> hazlin: I'm just trying to understand, I am planing to add notes to my Bible where these things are incorrect 
<2023-03-24T21:02:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: your personal reading one or are you rendering one too?
<2023-03-24T21:03:57.000Z> hazlin: oh well, I guess I could update a text version of the KJV, I just see that type setting something the size of a Bible would be a shit ton of work lol
<2023-03-24T21:04:45.000Z> hazlin: if I wanted to make this transmissible, maybe the form of a companion books that tells were where to add notes in your KJV would be more doable 
<2023-03-24T21:04:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yup
<2023-03-24T21:05:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: that would be cool
<2023-03-24T21:08:13.000Z> hazlin: You know, I've become aware that the Apostle Paul and some of my teachers, have gone out of their way to protect and exhaust the jews 
<2023-03-24T21:09:11.000Z> hazlin: Honestly, I know why Paul did it, but I'm not sure why some of my teacher did it, perhaps to keep people from developing a basis for accepting the gospel?
<2023-03-24T21:09:55.000Z> hazlin: that is a basis for rejecting*
<2023-03-24T21:09:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: in what way? What do you mean?
<2023-03-24T21:12:39.000Z> hazlin: Well, like this Paul, Romans 8, he talks about how wonderful a gift we get for our faith, but then in 9 he talks about his anguish for the jews rejecting it, and in 10-11 he spends his time building a case for why the gentiles should submit to the jewish-christian leadership, which is gross and wrong, and a bases for people being led into "another gospel" by those very same people (which paul ends up combating for his whole ministry)
<2023-03-24T21:14:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: maybe
<2023-03-24T21:15:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Its one of the reasons I've been looking at rendering the bible
<2023-03-24T21:15:25.000Z> hazlin: As for my teachers, they really down played the altering of the MT on the messianic scriptures, just that list a linked a minute ago shows there are at least 6, none trivial changes, why did they feel the need to downplay the altering? I don't know, again maybe to protect the perceived integrity of the Bible.
<2023-03-24T21:16:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: or to protect the integrity of the alterers. Most of Christianity was poisoned since the start of the 20th century....
<2023-03-24T21:16:44.000Z> hazlin: for Paul, changing the rendering wont help, the text isn't in error, the man was in error xD
<2023-03-24T21:17:14.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: for that yes, but there have been changes more recently 
<2023-03-24T21:18:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: lemme find an example of what I mean
<2023-03-24T21:20:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Romans 15:26-27
<2023-03-24T21:20:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: proper english translation:  For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem. 27They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in their spiritual blessings, they are obligated to minister to them with material blessings.
<2023-03-24T21:21:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: corrupted text: For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the Lord’s people in Jerusalem. 27They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings. 
<2023-03-24T21:21:43.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The greek does not mention "jews" anywhere
<2023-03-24T21:22:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Paul made mistakes, but most of his stuff is solid though
<2023-03-24T21:23:15.000Z> hazlin: honestly, the second is pretty accurate, James' Church in Jerusalem was literally called the church of the poor, when James told Paul to remember the poor, he meant to send money to his church.This is actually exactly the sort of thing that Paul is in great error about xD
<2023-03-24T21:23:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think he underestimated the level of evil and corruption that people could fall to even if they were believed to be faithful
<2023-03-24T21:24:28.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It isnt accurate though : P Thats literally not what it reads as in the greek
<2023-03-24T21:25:41.000Z> hazlin: in your correct version, the same people are receiving the money "that is indeed owed to them"
<2023-03-24T21:26:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: the "translators" literally added improper context to spread a racialist message that wasn't there. I still send money to one of my old churches that I dont, cant attend; because they need it and the location desperately needs a good church
<2023-03-24T21:27:43.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: If a church needs your help and they helped lead you to Christ, is it unreasonably to offload the money you can't even keep when you die to help them?
<2023-03-24T21:27:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: at least... thats how I understand it
<2023-03-24T21:29:17.000Z> hazlin: The Romans church literally came from England, it wasn't founded by James' church in Jerusalem, this is literally an argument based on the racial importance of the jews, that Paul is making
<2023-03-24T21:32:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: didn't know that. Idk man, in the greek and more proper renderings it seems to imply that they should send money to the other church and the other Christians at that place, not those who rejected God
<2023-03-24T21:33:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So papacy is the fault of the eternal Anglo :naruhodo: 
<2023-03-24T21:36:42.000Z> hazlin: naa, pretty sure everyone in Caratacus' house hold were martyred when things turned south. The later RCC doesn't have relations in so far as I know (nor do they claim any xD)
<2023-03-24T21:37:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: lemme check something about the verse
<2023-03-24T21:40:04.000Z> hazlin: Paul also made a mess of things, when he found out one of the churches he founded was giving money to James' church, but not sending anything to him xD
<2023-03-24T21:40:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: oh jeez, what? is that in scripture? XD
<2023-03-24T21:40:57.000Z> hazlin: I guess, specifically with Paul, it has been a wake up call, that, he was only given a revelation about Grace, and Peace, and the rest of the stuff is his opinion 
<2023-03-24T21:41:09.000Z> hazlin: let me take a look
<2023-03-24T21:44:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: maybe. Im pretty certain the eating proper food thing isnt his opinion, that or his thing about circumcision not being needed
<2023-03-24T21:45:58.000Z> hazlin: eating proper foods, and circumcision, where just types of the old covenant, and the revelation of Grace, said they were no longer required
<2023-03-24T21:46:05.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: still, super interesting
<2023-03-24T21:46:37.000Z> hazlin: in so far as Paul's teachings promote his revelation of Grace, they are good
<2023-03-24T21:46:45.000Z> hazlin: if they stray from that, it is just his opinion 
<2023-03-24T21:47:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: well yeah XD
<2023-03-24T21:47:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: at least he wasn't like Peter with constantly shoving his foot in his mouth
<2023-03-24T21:48:44.000Z> hazlin: Peter did so good at the first church counsel, and had been given his own revelation of Grace, it was James who apposed him there
<2023-03-24T21:49:33.000Z> hazlin: James could not concede on the point concerning Peter's vision, that the food was good to eat, because they were in a power strugge
<2023-03-24T21:50:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: you mean paul?
<2023-03-24T21:50:47.000Z> hazlin: no
<2023-03-24T21:53:59.000Z> hazlin: Peter Acts 15 -> "10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they."James Acts 15 -> "19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."
<2023-03-24T21:55:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I need to reread my Bible :aqua_cry: 
<2023-03-24T21:57:26.000Z> hazlin: lol, I enjoy our talks, even my talks with uhh, the CI guy, xenophone? I've discovered more than once I was proposing something that I could not support with scripture, or rather, I thought it was supported by scripture and couldn't find it xD
<2023-03-24T21:57:41.000Z> hazlin: today I learned a lot about issues with the MT
<2023-03-24T21:58:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: oh cool
<2023-03-24T21:58:52.000Z> hazlin: AND, unlike xenophone, you value what is true
<2023-03-24T21:58:59.000Z> hazlin: which makes you a great joy to talk to xD
<2023-03-24T21:59:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: CI isn't necessarily something I'm a huge fan of though, some of those dudes usually have weird hangups or are willing to just dumpout on truth if its convienent
<2023-03-24T21:59:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: thanks? maybe XD
<2023-03-24T22:00:01.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Like Micheal E. Jones, is hardcore about Christian Identity nonsense to the point of general insanity
<2023-03-24T22:02:39.000Z> hazlin: I've actually got a whole collection of books from a CI author (I didn't know what CI was before I ordered them). And, those books have amazing things in them, Capt talks about archeological, discoveries I didn't even know existed, I always learn a lot from reading them.... BUT!CI seems to be built upon the Race Duality, the Adamites and the Anti-Adamites (the fallen angels from heaven, are the races who oppose God throughout the Bible)
<2023-03-24T22:02:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: "There's no difference between a society of 120IQ yuro Christians and one from sub 70IQ somalians who claim they like Jesus," -Jones
<2023-03-24T22:03:19.000Z> hazlin: and it is that core narrative, that seems to cause them to twist and distort many things, so digging through Capt's books is a matter of separating the good from the terrible lol
<2023-03-24T22:04:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I admitted like that general explanation as it explains a whole hell of alot, that and there may be another issue of various psuedo-humans that aren't our ancestors but rather humans who degenerated through wickedness and inbreeding. 
<2023-03-24T22:04:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yeah
<2023-03-24T22:04:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I can see that
<2023-03-24T22:06:47.000Z> hazlin: What seems to be acid to the Dual-Race theory, are any of Jesus' personal interactions with demons, or satan. xenophone literally has to ignore them, when they are raised, because they shred his narratives 
<2023-03-24T22:07:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Like what if Erectus isn't a failed subspecies of man, but a degenerated species of man. 
<2023-03-24T22:07:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: oh?
<2023-03-24T22:07:43.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: How so?
<2023-03-24T22:09:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: XD writing a novel, oh man...
<2023-03-24T22:10:06.000Z> hazlin: Because they are a contending race of people, not spirits. And, since they are not a spirit, they cannot posses another person.The part around satan, I do not understand as much, but apparently satan as an individual is incompatible with their narrative, so satan has to be (A) a person and (B) not a specific person, but just someone filling a role.
<2023-03-24T22:10:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: watch, its probably something stupid simple
<2023-03-24T22:10:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: OH!
<2023-03-24T22:10:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: THAT theory of dual races
<2023-03-24T22:12:46.000Z> hazlin: at first, I had thought the CI people believed something similar to you about the race and anti-race before the flood, but they seem to be insisting on a narrative with more fundamental differences 
<2023-03-24T22:15:47.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I thought you meant one of the others I've heard of that there are Adamic races who strive for God naturally and tend to be good people and proper blank slates; whereas there are non-Adamics who are driven by baser impulses and are more given over to evil as a general thing 
<2023-03-24T22:16:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Not that demons were actually a different race of creatures entirely
<2023-03-24T22:17:37.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: thats just nuts imo though
<2023-03-24T22:18:15.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: because if they're a proper different race it means they should be able to reproduce in a general manner, something that isn't possible
<2023-03-24T22:23:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: besides that... what even is the explanation for that? Oh.
<2023-03-24T22:23:03.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: the nephilim
<2023-03-24T22:23:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: lmao
<2023-03-24T22:26:00.000Z> hazlin: right, it seems that CI is an inverse dual race alternative to the spurg dual race theory xD
<2023-03-24T22:38:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yeah, supernatural races versus a subset of humanity thats just given to evil is pretty significantly different
<2023-03-24T22:52:47.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: not in line with the convo but halfway considering commissioning a live2D rigging
<2023-03-24T22:54:10.000Z> hazlin: for your vtubering?
<2023-03-24T22:54:17.000Z> hazlin: I thought you had already decided to do that
<2023-03-24T22:56:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I was trying to make a vroid model myself, but hit a dead end with it
<2023-03-24T22:56:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: basically I'd have to sit down and learn 5 different programs for modeling and even then still pay someone
<2023-03-24T22:57:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: This way I can either pay someone or just do a ton of tedious work
<2023-03-24T22:57:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: if I cant find something for a reasonable price, I guess I'll just endure the trouble and pain of tedious work
<2023-03-24T22:57:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: literally making an animation file, a .psd 
<2023-03-24T22:58:21.000Z> hazlin: hmm
<2023-03-24T22:58:31.000Z> hazlin: is that what the face tracking programs use?
<2023-03-24T22:59:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: well, not the one I downloaded for the Vroid lmao XD
<2023-03-24T22:59:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I have to find a new one, but there are a ton of free ones
<2023-03-24T23:00:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Vseeface isn't compatible for .psd unfortunately
<2023-03-24T23:02:00.000Z> hazlin: I'd figure one that accepted FBX files that were rigged and ready to go... would be the way to go
<2023-03-24T23:02:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I'll give that a look then
<2023-03-24T23:02:48.000Z> hazlin: yeah, photoshop files, differently do not feel like the way to go on this xD
<2023-03-24T23:03:37.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: possibly, I've seen some of the animation work that some of the dudes did and how tedious it was 
<2023-03-24T23:03:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: but then again it does justify some of the better commission costs lmao
<2023-03-24T23:04:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I'll definitely check that though
<2023-03-24T23:04:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: and...
<2023-03-24T23:05:13.000Z> hazlin: do you have a character sheet made up?
<2023-03-24T23:05:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: theres more than I realized. Gonna have to deep dive on this, I'll get back to you about it if you'd like, I know one of my irl friends is wanting updates so he can make his own
<2023-03-24T23:06:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: No yet, though with the requirements based on the live2d Free restrictions it'll likely be a rather simple design, gonna sketch stuff tonight for it
<2023-03-24T23:06:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Think I'll draw from the simplicity of Pikamee's style for mine
<2023-03-24T23:06:50.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: simple and recognizable, even from a silhouette, is absolutely the way to go
<2023-03-24T23:15:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Plus the giant noggin look has always been something ive been partial to
<2023-03-24T23:16:15.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2023-03-24T23:17:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Though... might be a good idea to do it all myself in case I say something the maker doesn't like
<2023-03-24T23:17:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: can't be sued over a model if I'm the make
<2023-03-24T23:17:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: forgot the Nephila thing 
<2023-03-24T23:17:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: https://varishangout.net/notice/ATxIt1cUoRxnRIEMIy
<2023-03-24T23:18:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The wandering edomites, when building their version of the masoretic referenced the Aramaic version of the OT
<2023-03-24T23:18:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Thats where Nephilim comes from. Its a scribal error of Nephila, the aramaic word for giant
<2023-03-24T23:21:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also I decided I like Shondo, she's unhinged and cute
<2023-03-24T23:21:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Gonna look into Zen later
<2023-03-24T23:25:27.000Z> hazlin: My options for vtubering stuff is a bit limited on linux
<2023-03-24T23:25:59.000Z> hazlin: looking at a combination of github.com/virtual-puppet-project/vpuppr for the animation with github.com/emilianavt/OpenSeeFace for the tracking
<2023-03-24T23:26:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: VUP uses .fbx
<2023-03-24T23:26:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: And it's free
<2023-03-24T23:26:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: No idea about the linux
<2023-03-24T23:26:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Oooof
<2023-03-26T01:14:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Hmmm
<2023-03-26T01:20:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Linux is an issue
<2023-03-26T06:59:50.000Z> hazlin: maybe, I think I can probably use those two things I linked to get a real time rig up and running
<2023-03-26T07:00:05.000Z> hazlin: though, I don't think I am going to mess with it right now
<2023-03-26T07:00:40.000Z> hazlin: making game assets in blender is my priority at the moment
<2023-03-26T07:02:18.000Z> hazlin: on a slightly related note, I see that GODOT game engine released 4.0, and they fixed a bunch of stuff, I am really exited to try it out
<2023-03-27T01:52:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Digging through schizo tier religious stuff is pretty cool https://varishangout.net/media/39ad695b-0e8f-4972-8177-49c0b6b795eb/1679875124263834m.jpg
<2023-03-27T05:04:42.000Z> hazlin: that is also in that pdf I sent you xD
<2023-03-27T09:08:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Is it? Lmao
<2023-03-28T01:13:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Sorry lol
<2023-03-28T01:15:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Dissolving illusions had that...?
<2023-03-28T02:44:05.000Z> hazlin: ahh, I didn't send you babylon mystery religion?
<2023-03-28T02:48:13.000Z> hazlin: Password is: "astute granola favored ;B/48I"Link is drive.proton.me/urls/JV8319W5PR#cqYPoNqgWZb3
<2023-03-28T02:55:28.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Don't believe so, dissolving was very interesting though
<2023-03-28T03:00:39.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ooh! This is an old book, nice
<2023-03-28T03:05:40.000Z> hazlin: Looking in my folders, it looks like I had tried to send it to you before, but it may have fallen through the cracks xD
<2023-03-28T03:06:21.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Ah
<2023-03-28T03:06:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Oh well, definitely gonna read this now though
<2023-03-28T03:10:21.000Z> hazlin: recently someone gave me a book called "pagan christianity?" which focuses on the pagan practices still present in protestant churches 
<2023-03-28T03:10:29.000Z> hazlin: I do not have a pdf of it though
<2023-03-28T03:33:14.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >in protestant churches
<2023-03-28T03:33:21.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Sounds like a huge cope book imo
<2023-03-28T03:34:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: also I can already predict exactly whats in it
<2023-03-28T03:34:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >christmas trees are pagan>easter is pagan>being happy is pagan
<2023-03-28T03:45:20.000Z> hazlin: oddly enough, not those things xD
<2023-03-28T03:45:49.000Z> hazlin: some of those are in the Babylon mystery religion book though
<2023-03-28T03:52:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Interesting 
<2023-03-28T03:53:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Didn't expect that
<2023-03-28T04:13:58.000Z> hazlin: I should revise that statement, it hasn't been in that book, so far, xD I am only about a third of the way through, but I've found the commentary on the modern church meaningful so far
<2023-03-28T04:19:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: This is a weird behavior of incorporating things they shouldn't though, so I can definitely see that being a complaint
<2023-03-28T21:11:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Accidentally my whole phone
<2023-03-28T21:13:04.000Z> hazlin: >Accidentally my whole phoneWut?You... accidentally *ate* your whole phone?
<2023-03-28T21:52:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Smashed it lol
<2023-03-28T21:53:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Screen was so bad I could see the insides, but thankfully was able to salvage everything 
<2023-03-28T21:53:55.000Z> hazlin: nice
<2023-03-28T21:54:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I about screamed when it happened, that old phone was basically indestructible 
<2023-03-28T21:56:53.000Z> hazlin: I know that feeling
<2023-03-28T21:57:09.000Z> hazlin: I have two that, I've got all the parts, I just need to repair them
<2023-03-28T21:59:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Oh
<2023-03-28T21:59:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Cool
<2023-04-02T21:47:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: today was somewhat weird
<2023-04-02T21:57:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: pastor haphazardly brought up troons while going into the easter narrative
<2023-04-02T21:58:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: a better spot would be when Paul brought up the cult of Cybele
<2023-04-02T22:02:50.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: imo
<2023-04-02T22:03:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: but then again that'd piss off alot of the boomers and women in the church XD
<2023-04-02T22:03:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: "Isn't it weird that whenever women are in charge things quickly turn to child murder, sexual perversion, and men chopping off their sausages?"
<2023-04-02T22:35:13.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2023-04-02T22:52:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I mean, I'm just saying
<2023-04-03T01:14:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Was kind of hoping thered be a message going off on things today... but didn't happen
<2023-04-03T04:06:23.000Z> hazlin: same at my church
<2023-04-03T04:06:57.000Z> hazlin: If it isn't state approved then, better to just talk about giving more money to the church xD
<2023-04-03T04:17:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think it's mostly because he was on script for pascha 
<2023-04-03T04:51:35.000Z> hazlin: I can't say preachers on autopilot are any better
<2023-04-03T04:51:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Nah, definitely not
<2023-04-03T04:52:18.000Z> hazlin: next week should be predictable
<2023-04-03T04:52:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: While routine can be nice and welcoming, sometimes things need to said
<2023-04-03T04:52:23.000Z> hazlin: but we'll see xD
<2023-04-03T16:32:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yeah :akko_shrug: 
<2023-04-03T16:33:05.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Definitely going to work on making sure to refer to stuff though in Greek for now on. Need to separate from the consumer crap
<2023-04-03T16:33:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It's no longer Easter in my house, it's Pascha 
<2023-04-03T17:54:48.000Z> hazlin: the second pass over 
<2023-04-03T17:55:33.000Z> hazlin: honestly for me, I think the part to remember and celebrate, is that the Father raised Jesus from the dead in victory 
<2023-04-03T17:55:59.000Z> hazlin: everyone wants to think about Jesus, dieing, or being dead, but He is alive
<2023-04-03T18:10:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It is the most important part
<2023-04-03T18:10:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I just can't stand the association to cheap chocolates and rabbits and eggs
<2023-04-03T18:12:48.000Z> hazlin: don't worry, my church was been spamming announcements to gather 10,000 eggs, filled with non-chocolate candy, for their Ishtar Egg hunt
<2023-04-03T19:22:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: All of these things are missing Christ is my issue. Christmas doesn't even have Christ anymore and socially doesn't bring him to mind for some
<2023-04-03T20:00:52.000Z> hazlin: I mean, we can get real technical about  it, and notice that Christ is missing from most sermons 
<2023-04-03T20:02:56.000Z> hazlin: for me, yesterdays message was about, giving to the church needs to be proportional to your income, also, the people that laid their clothes down for Jesus' donkey gave more than the people who only laid down palm frowns 
<2023-04-03T20:03:26.000Z> hazlin: It had no gospel, it had none of "Christ" in it
<2023-04-03T20:13:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: What the hell
<2023-04-03T20:23:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: That's nuts
<2023-04-03T21:00:54.000Z> hazlin: that was the least nuts part of that service xD
<2023-04-03T21:01:22.000Z> hazlin: but it is what I see a lot of, people focusing in on the details of the gospel to make points that have nothing to do with the gospel xD
<2023-04-04T02:21:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Dang
<2023-04-04T02:21:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yeah, tend to notice that alot too
<2023-04-04T02:46:14.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: stuff is kind of ridiculous
<2023-04-04T02:46:40.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: kind of the primary reason I want to push for using old school greek names for the various holidays and occurences
<2023-04-04T02:47:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: force the issue of "this is strictly a religious observance about Christ" and nothing else should be tolerated
<2023-04-04T02:47:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I'm tired of seeing coca cola's fatass being the face Christmas
<2023-04-04T02:49:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yknow?
<2023-04-04T02:55:29.000Z> hazlin: hmmm maybe, the thing is, everyone seems to be getting filtered into different buckets 
<2023-04-04T02:55:51.000Z> hazlin: the majority of people are getting pushed into the God's enemy bucket
<2023-04-04T02:56:20.000Z> hazlin: the biggest bucket on the Christian side is "I'm going to heaven, but God is a harsh Father that wants me to suffer"
<2023-04-04T02:57:02.000Z> hazlin: actually no, probably the biggest christian bucket are agnostics that are part of a church for practical reasons 
<2023-04-04T03:14:40.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: oh yeah, those lmao
<2023-04-04T03:14:51.000Z> hazlin: I digress, my point is, the true body of the church, those that know Jesus' heart, are a rare thing indeed
<2023-04-04T03:15:23.000Z> hazlin: and none can be promoted into that group by force
<2023-04-04T03:15:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: it is a tough thing
<2023-04-04T03:15:54.000Z> hazlin: they either delight in God's goodness when His heart it shown to them, or they remain apart 
<2023-04-04T03:18:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: are you talking about force in general or in relation to what I'm on about? lol
<2023-04-04T03:20:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Im not talking about forcing compliance with my weird idea, just separating out and refusing to use the cultural vernacular for the various cultural celebrations
<2023-04-04T03:21:29.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Through osmosis and slow repetition Christians will cleave off and be distinct language wise while nonChristians will continue on using the social terms
<2023-04-04T03:22:07.000Z> hazlin: oh, I meant, the true Sons of God, the Overcomers, will be few, always have been, and always will be, at least in this world of iniquity, because they can't be forced to like God, so the Big Mac face of the church will remain the majority xD
<2023-04-04T03:22:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So say 50 years in the future after starting and pushing gently for this, only nonChristians would refer to the early springtime as "easter" 
<2023-04-04T03:22:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: XD
<2023-04-04T03:22:29.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I dunno man
<2023-04-04T03:22:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: maybe
<2023-04-04T03:23:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: but I think if we work on trying to fix things and turn them to God we might be able to properly fix things
<2023-04-04T03:23:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: God willing of course
<2023-04-04T03:24:15.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: plus the more and more I'm seeing things lately, the more Im pretty certain that Christian Separatism is the right direction for stuff
<2023-04-04T03:25:50.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Plus theres just something right feeling in the phrase "The government is illegitimate because they deny Christ,"
<2023-04-04T03:31:36.000Z> hazlin: As is often shown in the Bible, God is bigger than the government 
<2023-04-04T03:32:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yup
<2023-04-04T03:32:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: but too many constantly seem to forget that
<2023-04-04T03:32:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: plus the trends are clear
<2023-04-04T03:32:47.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: they're literally copying early soviet nonsense
<2023-04-04T03:33:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: which means within the next decade or two we'll also likely get to see who truly does believe or doesnt, assuming nothing changes
<2023-04-04T03:34:45.000Z> hazlin: so, the immediate problem I see with Christian Separatism, is it will be immediately subverted by the majority. Just like the early church fell under James' control. Or Paul's churches, would almost immediately fall to those from James' church after he left.
<2023-04-04T03:36:04.000Z> hazlin: Whether you remain a part of society, or separate from it, you'll still have to dominate those who would take control, and those who would willingly give it up
<2023-04-04T03:36:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: seems to be an issue with any sizable thing, so it'd have to stay small and in chunks
<2023-04-04T03:36:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Like cells 
<2023-04-04T03:37:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Maybe I should have been a monk :senko_sigh: 
<2023-04-04T03:39:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I just want to read books, maybe grow potatoes, and go to church. Why did we have to create society? XD
<2023-04-04T03:39:11.000Z> hazlin: whether you give up all your possessions, or become wealthy, satan will want to destroy you because you've called Jesus your Lord.The only way forward is deeper xD
<2023-04-04T03:40:15.000Z> hazlin: You know, many times in the Bible, we are called to do the same thing "be care filled for nothing". 
<2023-04-04T03:40:54.000Z> hazlin: Jesus says, "to he who overcomes" "I" will give all these wonderful things, and at the same time "don't worry about it, be care free"
<2023-04-04T03:41:14.000Z> hazlin: And, I think most people would feel the pressure when confronted with such a thing
<2023-04-04T03:42:30.000Z> hazlin: I'll cheat and tell you the answer, the only way to do either one of those things, is to not do them at all. The harder you try, the harder it will get xD
<2023-04-04T03:43:14.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yeah,
<2023-04-04T03:43:19.000Z> hazlin: but, if you glimpse the heart of Jesus', you'll see that, God gives both of those things to those who know His heart. 
<2023-04-04T03:44:21.000Z> hazlin: The only way to overcome this world, or satan, is to rest in God's loving care.
<2023-04-04T03:44:43.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Definitely 
<2023-04-04T03:44:49.000Z> hazlin: Either God will lift us up, or we will die on the ground 
<2023-04-04T03:45:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Besides, I'm likely not the only one who's figuring on separating out from where everything is going and doing. 
<2023-04-04T03:49:13.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Was thinking about just getting some calendars made that use the proper/older names for various religious observances to have handed out at church
<2023-04-04T03:50:33.000Z> hazlin: that would be cool
<2023-04-04T03:50:53.000Z> hazlin: could even have the greek on their, disguise the whole thing as a greek lesson xD
<2023-04-04T03:50:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Would be a soft way of going about fixing things like I want
<2023-04-04T03:51:11.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: That too
<2023-04-04T03:51:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Though my church doesn't have a huge issue with that, moreso acknowledging bad source docs 
<2023-04-04T04:07:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also, gonna try and get back into brewing again
<2023-04-04T04:09:23.000Z> hazlin: nice :D
<2023-04-04T04:11:37.000Z> hazlin: I'm off to sleep, here have an AI toilet to enjoy :D https://i.poastcdn.org/91c3b532c13ddc4e2403f0baeb2592982b219d7ad12b7f8799e80f09d1ed613a.jpg
<2023-04-04T04:12:21.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Two rolls!?!? TWO ROLLS!?!?
<2023-04-04T04:12:51.000Z> hazlin: in heaven the toilets are self cleaning :D
<2023-04-04T16:53:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Been learning interesting things as of late https://varishangout.net/media/4f28a4d8-3bf1-4607-acd9-635007b6b04f/1680547802974621m.jpg
<2023-04-04T17:55:32.000Z> hazlin: what is that a quote from?
<2023-04-04T21:26:22.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkat_haMinim
<2023-04-04T21:26:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Thrice daily prayer of the OG satanists
<2023-04-04T21:40:22.000Z> hazlin: creepy!
<2023-04-04T23:35:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It's also apparently part of their belief system that the moshiach won't arrive till all of their enemies are dead. Guess this explains why the khazarian larpers are so hellbent on destroying Christianity
<2023-04-04T23:40:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also, gonna look into traditional, yet functional, clothing
<2023-04-04T23:45:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also reading testimonials from people who left EO in favor of Christ
<2023-04-04T23:50:42.000Z> hazlin: EO?
<2023-04-05T00:13:01.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Eastern Orthodox, the other Catholics lmao
<2023-04-05T00:19:08.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: One dude was going into detail how his church life was basically an unending fever dream of nonsense and after the constant stress finally caused him to fall semi-seriously ill he just left
<2023-04-05T00:19:29.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Apparently doing much better as a nondenominational church now lmao
<2023-04-05T01:27:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Oh.
<2023-04-05T01:28:01.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Found the complete set of ante-nicene church fathers writings
<2023-04-05T02:56:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also dead certain the US is going to balkanize at this point
<2023-04-05T02:57:43.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Guess it's time to more fully devote my free time to God
<2023-04-05T02:57:51.000Z> hazlin: xD
<2023-04-05T03:02:00.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Best thing for when things fall apart is God, I'm not wrong lolBesides, if it really starts to kick off electricity will likely become somewhat... unreliable. 
<2023-04-05T03:11:15.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Gonna be having to read the Bible a lot 
<2023-04-05T03:39:59.000Z> hazlin: I had been thinking that way
<2023-04-05T03:40:07.000Z> hazlin: but then I remembered 
<2023-04-05T03:40:36.000Z> hazlin: "It will be like the days of Noah, there will still be marriages and celebrations"
<2023-04-05T03:41:00.000Z> hazlin: No one will think the end is about to come
<2023-04-05T03:41:31.000Z> hazlin: It is very likely that, this whole thing is just going to keep on grinding forward until Jesus comes and steals us away :D
<2023-04-05T16:05:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It'll be the end of the government and easy living, not necessarily the world lol
<2023-04-05T16:10:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: But yeah
<2023-04-06T22:07:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Just did a hilarious deep dive one something that practically everyone gets wrong
<2023-04-08T02:03:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Apparently at some point the apostolics decided that the crucifixion happened on Friday, it didn't 
<2023-04-08T02:04:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also, there's another impossible proofing of Christ that basically proves that he yet again fulfilled the impossible prophecies 
<2023-04-08T04:05:20.000Z> hazlin: He does like to do that
<2023-04-08T06:21:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Daniel mentions a prophecy about how he'll be cut off into he middle of the week. The crucifixion took place on a Wednesday, the middle of the week.
<2023-04-09T18:17:33.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >pastor goes over after the fact verses that reference the ressurection and its importance>heavily stresses the importance of what today is and why this was necessary Overall pretty good 
<2023-04-09T21:54:25.000Z> hazlin: nice
<2023-04-10T02:39:22.000Z> hazlin: my guy was a bit all over the place today
<2023-04-10T02:39:35.000Z> hazlin: he kept presenting all the objections at every step
<2023-04-10T02:40:15.000Z> hazlin: "Now, some people claim that Jesus was just unconscious when they put him in the tomb "
<2023-04-10T02:40:32.000Z> hazlin: and he kept dragging support in from outside of the Bible
<2023-04-10T02:41:06.000Z> hazlin: "Even if you don't believe the Bible, there are secular historians that recorded about Jesus"
<2023-04-10T02:41:50.000Z> hazlin: Then later, he outlined why resurrection Sunday is important.
<2023-04-10T02:42:10.000Z> hazlin: Because ofMercy (You don't go to hell)Grace (Heaven)....
<2023-04-10T02:46:34.000Z> hazlin: Majoring on the minors
<2023-04-10T02:46:47.000Z> hazlin: and missing the point
<2023-04-10T04:05:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yeah, 
<2023-04-10T04:05:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Tend to notice people doing that...
<2023-04-11T22:14:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Dude
<2023-04-11T22:22:22.000Z> hazlin: hihi
<2023-04-11T22:25:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Gonna work on learning Gaelic, just to be obtuse
<2023-04-11T22:30:51.000Z> hazlin: lol!
<2023-04-11T22:34:27.000Z> hazlin: as long as you are enjoying it :D
<2023-04-11T22:38:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Definitely gonna, plus it'll be something to teach the kids
<2023-04-11T22:41:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: You see the MIES stuff?
<2023-04-11T22:41:55.000Z> hazlin: MIES?
<2023-04-11T22:48:37.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Mask induced exhaustion syndrome 
<2023-04-11T22:48:46.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Aka: long covid lmao
<2023-04-11T22:55:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Apparently wearing a mask does stress the lungs
<2023-04-11T23:00:11.000Z> hazlin: sigh, modern medicine has become the science of explaining away people being kept on the edge of their body breaking down from constant malnutrition 
<2023-04-11T23:07:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: There is that, but it's also all about misleading on purpose
<2023-04-11T23:08:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: MIES has been known of for decades, but masks are safe lmao
<2023-04-11T23:09:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Folk medicine wins again. 
<2023-04-11T23:09:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also, noticed some interesting food and health info I need to research more
<2023-04-11T23:09:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also, noticed some interesting food and health info I need to research more
<2023-04-11T23:11:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Modern athletes splurge on nothing but protein and rire out after an hour or two. Medieval peasants ate mostly bread; able to do crippling manual labor and perform vast physical feats
<2023-04-11T23:19:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Super weird right?
<2023-04-12T00:43:22.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think it has to do with fermentation 
<2023-04-12T02:00:11.000Z> hazlin: interesting
<2023-04-12T02:00:35.000Z> hazlin: sounds like generational knowledge
<2023-04-12T02:18:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think it's because our food is substandard. Maybe multifaceted issue
<2023-04-12T02:18:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think it's because our food is substandard. Maybe multifaceted issue
<2023-04-12T05:21:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: But for the bread I think it's because natural airborne yeasts and fermentation causes something far healthier for us to happen. Maybe the lactic acid helping to further make it easier to absorb nutrients and more
<2023-04-12T05:23:14.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Another great example is medieval elderly women not having significant signs of osteoporosis, while women as young as 40 do nowadays. Phosphorus is a compound nutrient found in bread that prevents osteoporosis 
<2023-04-14T13:22:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I'm definitely sure of it now, it's likely due to natural microbes and other organisms in the food
<2023-04-14T13:22:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: And nowadays everything being fake and sterile
<2023-04-14T13:23:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >had a 10% beer that was unpasteurized and made from proper spring water
<2023-04-14T13:24:36.000Z> hazlin: luxury if I've ever heard it xD
<2023-04-14T13:33:11.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It's how its supposed to be though
<2023-04-14T13:33:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: What's natural has been made a luxury : P
<2023-04-14T13:33:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Everything about it is entirely different, much like the fermented bread I had gotten
<2023-04-14T15:01:22.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So, so far I think I've cataloged a set of things that need further proper research but are likely causes for the discrepancies in ability and quality 
<2023-04-14T15:08:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >food isnt food>food is nutritionally dead>hyper processed "food" is undigestable>there are no microbes and health promoting organisms in the food either>soil is depleted nutritionally>soil isn't being fertilized with real fertilizer
<2023-04-14T16:18:51.000Z> hazlin: Me and my sister are literally making an orchard, and using JADAM 
<2023-04-14T16:19:20.000Z> hazlin: I am expecting the produce to be a world apart from store bought stuff
<2023-04-14T16:20:21.000Z> hazlin: Though this year we are going to construct some modular barriers to that can be placed over the plants in case of another severe winter 
<2023-04-14T16:25:53.000Z> hazlin: When buying trees the important info is,Is it self fertile?If not, is it type A or type B?What is the minimum number of chill ours before fruiting, too high and you get zero fruit? Too low and you fruit before the last freeze and the fruit gets destroyed.Is the plant coming from a green house? You'll need to break it in slowly to full sun.
<2023-04-14T16:28:28.000Z> hazlin: If it is coming from a high junk fertilizer + heavy herbicides/insecticides, then there will be an acclimation period where it isn't going to look like it is doing well with the change in approach. (Some struggled with different kinds of bacterial issues, had leaf problems and all sorts of stuff, but look fine after a winter has passed)
<2023-04-14T16:32:57.000Z> hazlin: Also, when they are small, and their bark is tender, they need to be defended from rabbits
<2023-04-15T02:21:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think it extends further though, 
<2023-04-15T02:22:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: And when I say fertilizer I mean manure. But I'm almost certain fertilizer (chemical slurry) is also to blame
<2023-04-15T23:56:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also, did find something hysterical. Only thing I'm upset about it is that I won't be there to see it...
<2023-04-15T23:58:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net attached file https://varishangout.net/media/758f8451-205b-48ef-aaa2-cb2fd137e00d/1681598014402566.png
<2023-04-15T23:59:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net attached file https://varishangout.net/media/ef2171a3-8173-43e6-b3e5-05f88a6d7ff1/Screenshot_20230415_175840_Chrome.jpg
<2023-04-16T13:16:36.000Z> hazlin: The 6,000th year since creation is literally 2032 A.D.
<2023-04-16T13:18:15.000Z> hazlin: And, the tribulation has to finish before Jesus' return as king
<2023-04-16T14:19:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yes, but you forget that they are larpers who recreated all of their things. So of course all of it is wrong
<2023-04-16T14:19:50.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Still... 
<2023-04-16T14:20:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Would be hilarious to watch them have a meltdown
<2023-04-16T22:57:40.000Z> hazlin: good point
<2023-04-23T16:28:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: sick, but my church streams 
<2023-04-23T16:29:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: todays message seems to be trad vs prog in terms of church and belief
<2023-04-23T21:43:22.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: huh
<2023-04-23T21:44:29.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: found a review of a semi-schizo book claiming that the various demonic spirits from biblical times are back and ruining everything and the guy goes point by point, illustrating the examples...
<2023-04-23T21:44:37.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: stuff is insanely and bizzairely on point
<2023-04-23T21:44:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: honestly kind of scary
<2023-04-23T21:45:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: because its weirdly formulaic and consistent too
<2023-04-24T00:10:36.000Z> hazlin: satan hasn't changed
<2023-04-24T00:10:41.000Z> hazlin: and he doesn't appear to be very creative 
<2023-04-24T00:10:51.000Z> hazlin: he just is able to do things at scale
<2023-04-24T00:11:09.000Z> hazlin: (((SOON)))
<2023-04-24T01:00:39.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Yeah
<2023-04-24T01:01:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It's not weirdo tier, it actually is fairly sound
<2023-04-24T01:02:08.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Basically it starts with secularization or just falling away from God, then money/ownership takes hold culturally, this leads to sexual immorality, and immediately following that comes child sacrifice
<2023-04-24T01:03:43.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The guy describes it as a dark trinity and it being a sign of paganising. Essentially the first phase is Baal, and what did the US do when we decided we liked being economic leaders? We erected a brass bull and worship the idea of money. 
<2023-04-24T01:04:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Next was imanna/Ishtar, so the sexual revolution was a thing. And sex was cheapened and commoditized
<2023-04-24T01:13:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: And then finally moloch
<2023-04-24T01:22:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: And one of the classic justifications for child sacrifice being financial, what is said in modern times as a justification for abortion?
<2023-04-24T01:33:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It was quite intersting 
<2023-04-24T01:38:23.000Z> hazlin: indeed
<2023-04-24T01:39:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: he also went over repeating various times that this has happened
<2023-04-24T01:40:39.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: is it an issue of sin nature or demonic influence? Kind of an interesting question imo
<2023-04-24T01:41:44.000Z> hazlin: demonic influence for sure
<2023-04-24T01:42:03.000Z> hazlin: everyone moving in the same direction at the same time is the key
<2023-04-24T01:42:17.000Z> hazlin: I think, pure sin nature would produce more random results
<2023-04-24T01:44:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think the big key too is that it always starts with falling away from God
<2023-04-24T01:50:54.000Z> hazlin: probably starts before that
<2023-04-24T01:51:02.000Z> hazlin: at least in the modern era 
<2023-04-24T01:51:20.000Z> hazlin: the churches lose touch with God, a generation before people start leaving
<2023-04-24T01:53:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: or they stop focusing properly on god, hjappened a tone with the israelites
<2023-04-24T01:54:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: they still had their temple, but they turned away
<2023-04-24T02:05:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: In our case the secularization started sometime in the 40-50s
<2023-04-24T02:07:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Did like the explanation that that secularization isn't neutral, it always leads to evil
<2023-04-24T05:31:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The level of insight alone though is fairly great
<2023-04-25T01:42:09.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So trey Smith dumped another ark documentary 
<2023-04-25T09:56:50.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also gonna index the other channel I found, dude does great interviews but his theology is terrible lmao
<2023-04-25T17:00:49.000Z> hazlin: what are the interviews about?
<2023-04-25T21:46:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Basically of writers and some of their books and ideas, which are great. Very informative and interesting 
<2023-04-26T15:10:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >hear and interpretation I've never heard before>check in on it of historical proper interpretations>entire view changesWell, this was interesting 
<2023-04-26T21:31:05.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Basically a ton of various verses are against divorced people being involved with things
<2023-04-27T00:31:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: ooof, checking out christian youtubers
<2023-04-27T00:31:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: some of this is a hot mess
<2023-04-27T01:31:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Stuff is nuts, I think the one guy is coming from a good place and likely means to: but was clearly trained in seminary by one of the 90s cast off reject preachers 
<2023-04-27T01:32:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Sometimes his stances are incredibly based, for the both the right and wrong reasons, and other times they're just nuts
<2023-04-27T01:32:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Like... ever watch the Simpsons? 
<2023-04-27T02:08:42.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: ugh
<2023-04-27T02:09:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: and now that Im diving into some of these others... a ton of them seem to be way too into the idea of being a life coachj
<2023-04-27T19:28:21.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Think I finally found a good one
<2023-04-27T19:28:32.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: https://invidious.varishangout.net/@MikeWinger
<2023-04-27T19:40:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: seems to be one of the language originists though
<2023-04-27T19:57:41.000Z> hazlin: hmmm
<2023-04-27T19:58:22.000Z> hazlin: which one do you like?
<2023-04-27T19:58:29.000Z> hazlin: he has a lot :D
<2023-04-27T20:10:44.000Z> hazlin: >Catholicism isn't a cult... But I have serious concerns
<2023-04-27T20:10:15.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yep, noly issue Im seeing is a weird hardline belief in the purity of "original hebrew"
<2023-04-27T20:10:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: so manageable issues
<2023-04-27T20:11:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: oh? must have missed that one lmao
<2023-04-27T20:11:15.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: his mormonism video was pretty solid
<2023-04-27T20:11:40.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: so I'll add "brotherhoodism" to the list of problems
<2023-04-27T20:11:47.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: still... moderately manageable for info
<2023-04-27T20:18:32.000Z> hazlin: lol, well all that aside, which video that you saw was the best?
<2023-04-27T20:22:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The Mormon one so far was pretty solid, brought up literally everything you'd possibly ever want to know about them and how they are decidedly not christian
<2023-04-27T20:24:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The one about Christ's words on the cross were pretty solid as well, never heard the explanation he gave and it checks out; though I think a ton of the "jewish" concepts promoted are after the fact ideas that were borrowed and only work due to khazarians going full tilt on the larp
<2023-04-27T20:32:54.000Z> hazlin: would that be>Really Specific Prophecy Jesus Fulfilled on the Cross! Amazing!
<2023-04-27T20:34:02.000Z> hazlin: also, if you want a deep dive on mormonism, you may consider The Last Podcast On The Left's episode on it
<2023-04-27T20:35:40.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Basically just skimming through his videos on refuting heretic groups/sects, usually a good way to judge theological basis imo
<2023-04-27T20:37:14.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: no, something different
<2023-04-27T20:38:01.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: LMAO
<2023-04-27T20:38:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: ooops
<2023-04-27T20:38:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: so, its a different dude LMAO who just somewhat looks similar
<2023-04-27T20:38:38.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: well... vaguely similar LMAO
<2023-04-27T20:38:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: my brain is melting 
<2023-04-27T20:38:43.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: https://invidious.varishangout.net/watch?v=fwQUjnarWwA&t=311s
<2023-04-27T20:41:25.000Z> hazlin: >My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?Was not something Jesus said just to fulfill prophecy 
<2023-04-27T20:42:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: the basis though is that he was directing them to scripture, he was literally telling them who he was again 
<2023-04-27T20:43:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: basically, again, explaining what was happening
<2023-04-27T20:44:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I thought it was interesting at least, not something Ive ever heard brought up before
<2023-04-27T20:46:05.000Z> hazlin: Bah, I was going to link you the LPOTL, but they don't seem to have all of their videos up at the same time, just 40 of them
<2023-04-27T20:47:27.000Z> hazlin: and the mormon one isn't in the current pool
<2023-04-27T20:49:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: ah
<2023-04-27T20:49:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: did like that winger brought up "if you could hie to kolob"
<2023-04-27T20:50:01.000Z> hazlin: Actually their current content seems to be a curated subset that is acceptable in the [current year]
<2023-04-27T20:50:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dang
<2023-04-27T20:50:28.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: they should get on the fedi
<2023-04-27T20:50:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Hie to kolob is the cheat code for ending any conversation with doorknocker mormons
<2023-04-27T20:53:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: his JW video was pretty decent too
<2023-04-27T20:55:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dunno, gonna keep looking... May try and make stuff though
<2023-04-27T21:28:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: do you know about the kolob thing? lol
<2023-04-27T22:04:19.000Z> hazlin: nope
<2023-04-27T22:04:25.000Z> hazlin: what is the kolob thing?
<2023-04-27T22:04:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: kolob is the planet god lives on
<2023-04-27T22:05:21.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: not kidding
<2023-04-27T22:06:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: but its a song they have as a hymn, reveals that theyre heretics and polytheists
<2023-04-27T22:26:23.000Z> hazlin: I think that is generally admitted to, when they say, when you die, you become God of your own world that you lead and guide. 
<2023-04-27T22:26:51.000Z> hazlin: I think Glenn Beck's movie the moon, was a representation of this concept 
<2023-04-27T22:27:06.000Z> hazlin: man in the moon?... w/e it is called
<2023-04-27T22:30:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dunno
<2023-04-27T22:31:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: weird stuff though
<2023-04-30T01:23:01.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: https://varishangout.net/notice/AVA6Nq6ovv9KAQlwNU
<2023-04-30T01:23:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Stuff is nuts
<2023-04-30T21:16:43.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: https://varis.tv/w/wfJEC9RPQCCzZcrDJZdQ3W
<2023-04-30T21:16:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: new Skyrim 
<2023-04-30T21:17:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also been researching rcc ideology more specifically in terms of what it means according to them, some of it is absurdly peculiar 
<2023-04-30T21:33:20.000Z> hazlin: I bet it is!
<2023-04-30T21:43:22.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: basically infant baptism is meant to negate the sin nature of man, not to actually show any kind of general dedication to god
<2023-04-30T21:44:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Like it puts the child into a nuetral point, because Christ would obviously not argue in their favor
<2023-04-30T21:55:39.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: very odd stuff
<2023-04-30T21:58:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also need to check some more, but I think I've found the best english translation possible
<2023-04-30T22:00:04.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So far the Berean one is pretty great
<2023-04-30T22:08:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: up to anything cool? about to get things setup for tatters and tomatos
<2023-04-30T22:09:21.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also reworked my coops to deal with mice
<2023-04-30T22:18:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: its straightforward english, very accurate to the originating text, and is rather enjoyable to read
<2023-04-30T22:20:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: honestly debating about buying a set of them for my church
<2023-04-30T22:22:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also, just checking now but finding that they're weirdly open and have a proper copyright concept...
<2023-04-30T22:29:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: noice
<2023-04-30T22:29:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: didn't realize this
<2023-04-30T22:31:50.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: apparently there are different versions of the Berean that they make, each one for a different task
<2023-04-30T22:37:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: huh
<2023-04-30T22:37:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: checking something now too
<2023-04-30T22:37:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Berean version is a free download on their site, checking if other versions do that
<2023-04-30T22:41:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yeah, no one else really seems to...
<2023-04-30T22:41:50.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: lmao
<2023-04-30T22:42:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: This is literally most of what I wanted out a version XD
<2023-04-30T22:44:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: so the copyright is for general formal, legal reasons, but they have no issue with people getting free copies or being liscensed to mass quote or even distribute it
<2023-04-30T22:44:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: God first, money last
<2023-05-01T01:01:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Dude
<2023-05-01T01:01:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yeah
<2023-05-01T01:01:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: this is now going to be my daily driver 
<2023-05-01T01:14:03.000Z> hazlin: >basically infant baptism is meant to negate the sin nature of manWow that is actually a big deal
<2023-05-01T01:15:42.000Z> hazlin: >this is now going to be my daily driver It is the Berean translation?
<2023-05-01T01:16:10.000Z> hazlin: >up to anything cool?Working on a game with vile and his friend. poa.st/objects/9905c89c-2083-44c0-845e-9ce120b4e889
<2023-05-01T01:17:51.000Z> hazlin: I'd been keeping it a secret, but he has started posting screen shots sooooo
<2023-05-01T01:19:03.000Z> hazlin: At first I created a demo game, 1 hallway, Resident Evil Classic style controls and look, with a pre-rendered background and static objects https://i.poastcdn.org/0a4f75a88da2a57e1d9da5eda72b7a7c9c2835d7f905110674a4366ee69077fa.jpg
<2023-05-01T01:19:43.000Z> hazlin: In his post, that is essentially a picture of the first area in the first level of the game he wants to make https://i.poastcdn.org/488375ee16e0bd6e05ecf2de35884ebfc8e539886edf2764b5f188b7bb6187f9.jpg
<2023-05-01T01:48:05.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Noice!
<2023-05-01T01:48:11.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yeah, its the berean one
<2023-05-01T01:48:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: its pretty fantastic
<2023-05-01T01:48:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Those renders are pretty cool, guess that explains why you havent been posting much lmao
<2023-05-01T02:11:44.000Z> hazlin: A recording of the demo level :D https://i.poastcdn.org/f655f58b15419697d44c26a2f96d5d3181c301aea3f9c8c696e03875f8794bd1.m4v
<2023-05-01T02:43:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Dude, that's pretty impressive. Literally like the original RE
<2023-05-01T02:43:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Dude, that's pretty impressive. Literally like the original RE
<2023-05-01T02:51:04.000Z> hazlin: thank you xD Those are my first player animations and level setup in godot xD
<2023-05-01T02:52:40.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Still, pretty cool 
<2023-05-01T03:02:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: And Im still absurdly stoked about the BSB lol
<2023-05-01T03:04:29.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Like... ive been checking other translations and their websites and all of them utilize other means that generate money to give access to their texts; Berean doesnt do that. They're like: "What do you want to do with it and what file format do you want?"
<2023-05-01T03:07:21.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: https://berean.bible/downloads.htm
<2023-05-01T03:07:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: stuff is super cool
<2023-05-01T03:12:58.000Z> hazlin: that is really cool
<2023-05-01T03:56:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: its absurdly cool
<2023-05-01T03:57:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: definitely makes me want to help distribute these bibles and get involved with their bible society, even if it is just handing out bibles and donating cash on occasion
<2023-05-01T17:39:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: DangForgot to check genesis, but even worse: forgot to check numbers
<2023-05-01T19:11:38.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2023-05-01T19:15:58.000Z> hazlin: big errors jumping out at you?
<2023-05-01T20:08:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Nah, just my favorite word. Didn't expect to find it in numbers and definitely need to check on that
<2023-05-01T23:35:35.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Apparently the part in numbers where they checked out the land and were like "we're too cowardly to take the land that God has given us," the word nephilim is used
<2023-05-01T23:35:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Never seen that before
<2023-05-01T23:35:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Seems like something was improperly carried over 
<2023-05-01T23:46:16.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >decide to check on if there are other significant texts in real Hebrew>"oh this looks interesting,">it's the masoretic using a different nameOkay, so guess I'm going to hunt online and see if a portion of DSS was translated or not yet and says Nephilim. Personally I'm partial to believing that the LXX was properly rendered. Very curious as to why it's rendered as nephilim and why people go for it when making a translation...
<2023-05-01T23:49:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: And the fragments are missing or haven't be translated. I'm going to rip out my hair lmao
<2023-05-02T00:53:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >try to check throughout the masoretic>every instance of "giant" has essentially been wiped clean aside from genesis or numbershuh
<2023-05-02T01:39:51.000Z> hazlin: isn't there that second name 
<2023-05-02T01:40:57.000Z> hazlin: there are the decedents of the fallen angel Nephilim and of Anakim 
<2023-05-02T01:41:40.000Z> hazlin: I'm being a little silly here, because I know you don't believe in men and Angels reproducing xD
<2023-05-02T01:41:58.000Z> hazlin: it is one of our fundamental differences
<2023-05-02T02:10:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yes, but even assuming that I'm wrong: Anakim wasn't a nephilim unless Noah was. In numbers its more likely that its just them whining about the inhabitants of caanan and being cowardly
<2023-05-02T02:10:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: but Goliath, and his siblings who are explicitly named as giants, aren't mentioned as giants in the Masoretic
<2023-05-02T02:11:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I had to check to see if Giant and Nephilim were in fact separated terms, but there are no "giants" mentioned. Not Goliath or his brothers. 
<2023-05-02T02:11:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: The word is literally missing in Masoretic 
<2023-05-02T02:12:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Gonna check Aramaic text and see if my theory plays out. If the aramaic is missing the word Giant for those same verses it means I may have likely figured out a primary source doc that was used to make the Masoretic
<2023-05-02T02:13:27.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Basically more proofs for my theory, but, we'll see. The fact that Goliath being a giant is missing was honestly rather shocking
<2023-05-02T02:18:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: like.... if your building a sectarian scripture, wouldn't you make the references to one of the most important central figures larger and more dramatic?
<2023-05-02T02:21:01.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: what a minute, checking elsewhere now
<2023-05-02T02:24:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: dueteronomy doesnt either, so my search function worked properly; checking the aramaic now
<2023-05-02T02:27:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: very odd
<2023-05-02T02:28:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: biblehub doesnt have the Peshitta on there....
<2023-05-02T02:33:56.000Z> hazlin: wait are you telling me, that the reality is that only the LXX says giants?
<2023-05-02T02:49:08.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: No, I'm saying everything but the Masoretic says "giants"; Masoretic is the youngest version and is admittedly corrupt and incomplete
<2023-05-02T02:49:11.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: on purpose too
<2023-05-02T02:49:22.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: aramaic says Giants
<2023-05-02T02:51:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: checking further
<2023-05-02T02:51:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: yup, aramaic also says giants
<2023-05-02T02:52:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: weird
<2023-05-02T02:52:10.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Why did they scrub out giants?
<2023-05-02T02:55:01.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: gonna try and check the DSS fragments
<2023-05-02T02:58:26.000Z> hazlin: the archological sites of giants have been systematically removed the last few decades
<2023-05-02T02:58:30.000Z> hazlin: could be related 
<2023-05-02T03:03:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: maybe, but whats to gain in making people believe in supernatural fleshy beings over aberrant humans?
<2023-05-02T03:05:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: super weird
<2023-05-02T03:05:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: makes me wonder what the big primary sect of talmudists believe
<2023-05-02T03:09:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: crazy stuff
<2023-05-02T03:22:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: maybe to hide the concept that people can devolve into animals?
<2023-05-02T03:27:19.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Honestly no idea, 
<2023-05-02T03:27:47.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I've become addicted to watching apologist videos :sob2: 
<2023-05-02T03:28:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: just also had a brain blast of an idea
<2023-05-02T03:29:11.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: BSB has licsensing for usage
<2023-05-02T03:30:03.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: What if I liscense it and then produce a specific printing of it using new footnotes and retreaded choices for specific words?
<2023-05-02T03:38:11.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: oh
<2023-05-02T03:38:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: just remembered another verse the check in BSB, unrelated to giants though
<2023-05-03T15:06:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I think I'm onto something with my nonadamic race theory
<2023-05-03T15:07:23.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Basically that people who become fallen away, after several generations begin to degenerate
<2023-05-03T15:07:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: practically until they aren't human anyways
<2023-05-04T01:54:15.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Could explain this https://varishangout.net/media/ea9261a7-6405-47e4-8d86-46c4d46a251e/1683163025695858.png
<2023-05-04T04:37:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: furhter research on the BSB is giving me mixed feelings
<2023-05-04T04:38:21.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: kind of want to find out if someone has the translators notes and explanations for things
<2023-05-04T04:39:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: cuz at worst, they're conforming to some of the textual criticisms that others do and removing stuff; although the verses do still appear... but its a worrying behavior imo
<2023-05-04T04:42:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: the big 16, often thought to be cross repetitions 
<2023-05-04T04:45:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: the story about the adultress are still present however, with no weird footnotes
<2023-05-04T16:19:05.000Z> hazlin: you are becoming an expert on translations of the Bible
<2023-05-04T16:19:29.000Z> hazlin: you really may need to make your own, with footnotes about why you chose between alternatives 
<2023-05-04T16:19:30.000Z> hazlin: it would be a very educational creation
<2023-05-04T20:32:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Possibly, at the very least it'll be great for learning more properly. I just can't get over the fact that the masoretic gets so much preference despite being horrible, otherwise though the Berean looks to be moderately flawless. Things against my autism and desire for texts receptus to stand as THE standard ecumenical text, but I can't disagree with the reasoning of putting it to a vote so to speak
<2023-05-04T20:32:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I just like the idea of properly rendered bible, and easy to digest bible
<2023-05-04T20:33:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Was actually one of the big things that made me realize the kjv was no good
<2023-05-04T20:35:50.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Guess I'll pray on it, and check bereans licensing. Might be hilarious to license there's and then do like I mentioned...
<2023-05-04T21:49:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Dunno. Also don't want to attract unwanted attention though...
<2023-05-06T03:32:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >finally check the liscensing page
<2023-05-06T03:32:14.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: "The Berean Bible and Majority Bible texts are officially placed into the public domain as of April 30, 2023. See terms and conditions.Licensing is not required for any use. However, you are welcome to complete the licensing form in order to receive communications as we develop new resources."
<2023-05-06T03:32:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: :sob2: 
<2023-05-06T19:32:29.000Z> hazlin: good yes?
<2023-05-06T20:40:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Insanely
<2023-05-06T20:41:07.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Literally no one does this
<2023-05-06T21:10:22.000Z> hazlin: that is very cool of them :D
<2023-05-06T21:25:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Scripture, as all religious texts, should be absolute public domain
<2023-05-06T21:26:31.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So they literally only have a license for legal purposes and for basically having an update list 
<2023-05-06T21:26:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Super cool of them
<2023-05-06T21:27:02.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Not even modern printings of kjv do this
<2023-05-06T21:28:28.000Z> hazlin: Guess I'll be looking to pick up some of those xD
<2023-05-06T21:48:05.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Print copies are kind of pricey because they're trying to manufacture here in the US and out of quality stuff, but the ebooks and files are absolutely free
<2023-05-07T02:42:55.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: definitely going to promote them though
<2023-05-13T04:20:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: >watching a ridiculous amount of apologist content
<2023-05-13T04:26:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also had an interesting idea about why bad theology like calvinism exists
<2023-05-13T04:27:41.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: something beyond the safety blanket concept, something thats been brought up by intellectuals and psychologists in regards to culture and more
<2023-05-13T04:29:26.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: essentially: Language
<2023-05-13T04:31:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: I'll need to check, but calvinism might be a consequence of English as a language as I don't believe there are any similar movements outside of English as a language
<2023-05-13T19:00:01.000Z> hazlin: >calvinism>EnglishI'm pretty sure that started in France and moved to Switzerland.
<2023-05-13T20:01:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Hmm
<2023-05-13T20:01:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: May have to check then
<2023-05-13T20:01:30.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: XD
<2023-05-13T20:01:57.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: He's french... what
<2023-05-13T20:02:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: May have to rethink that theory lmao
<2023-05-13T20:02:51.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Just figured it might be a possibility due to yhe pervasive issues with how people tend to extrapolate language to mean things or imply things even if that's not what's being said
<2023-05-13T20:35:48.000Z> hazlin: I bet that is a universal issue xD
<2023-05-13T20:38:01.000Z> hazlin: I read a scripture earlier, and noticed that it is another case of the metaphor being used as an objective truth
<2023-05-13T20:39:30.000Z> hazlin: When Paul says "I died" it is a metaphor 
<2023-05-13T20:39:55.000Z> hazlin: But, Christians love to try and "kill their flesh"
<2023-05-13T20:41:13.000Z> hazlin: They take it to mean, at least in this era, that you must do what is spiritual and deny your flesh, but Romans 7:9–10 makes it clear that when you try and follow a law like that it brings you death
<2023-05-13T23:49:06.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Well yeah, aestheticism is kind of ridiculous 
<2023-05-13T23:52:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: In terms of things the prior you who was sinful should die when you are born again, the bad getting thrown out with the old bathwater. Denial of sinful things is fine, but like the aesthetics who were starving themselves or beating themselves it's absolutely insane
<2023-05-13T23:56:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Did at least come across something devistating to calvinism that is likely to catch them entirely off guard
<2023-05-14T00:45:17.000Z> hazlin: what did you find?
<2023-05-14T01:39:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Well its part of the gospel and the fact that it happened basically destroys calvinism
<2023-05-14T01:40:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: So, essentially: "Why did Christ teach in parables?"
<2023-05-14T01:40:49.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Just the fact that he did and why he did is a refutation of calvinism from Christ himself
<2023-05-14T01:52:33.000Z> hazlin: a good point
<2023-05-14T04:23:45.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Theres no need to hide things to ensure that the crucifixion happens as planned, if the unbelieving are deadset from the beginning of time to be unbelievers
<2023-05-14T04:23:58.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: plus theres the issues of the apostles and more,
<2023-05-14T04:24:17.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: if they didn't understand what they meant in the moment, then were they truly believers?
<2023-05-14T06:43:48.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Stuff is hilarious. I kind of love reading about various types of theology, in particular the consequences of it
<2023-05-14T12:25:36.000Z> hazlin: If I was going to try and make since of some of those predestination verses, it would be that, God knows about the kind of person you will be, and sometimes he hates people before they are born xD
<2023-05-14T13:47:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Foreknowledge 
<2023-05-14T13:47:53.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: It's literally because the kjv isn't sufficient as a translation 
<2023-05-15T03:18:23.000Z> hazlin: So this weekend
<2023-05-15T03:18:42.000Z> hazlin: I had this old guy pull out a messianic Bible 
<2023-05-15T03:19:13.000Z> hazlin: Tell me, that the book of James should have been the book of "Jacob" that it was named James after king James
<2023-05-15T03:20:22.000Z> hazlin: and then he told me that, anyone who calls upon the name "Jesus" wont be saved, because His name in Hebrew is Yeshua 
<2023-05-15T03:21:12.000Z> hazlin: then he told me that they were all speaking Hebrew in the NT and it was more accurate than the Greek, and I needed to get a Hebrew corrected NT
<2023-05-15T03:23:10.000Z> hazlin: As for his first claim, my Wycliff with original spelling has James as James 
<2023-05-15T03:23:43.000Z> hazlin: His second claim is literally christian mysticism 
<2023-05-15T03:24:38.000Z> hazlin: And the third is wrong based on surviving documents, and secondly is wrong because Greek provides more detail in its rules of expression, and depth of words
<2023-05-15T05:34:39.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Dude... where do you find these guys? Lmao
<2023-05-15T05:35:24.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Almost all of that is wrong, what the heck? XD
<2023-05-15T05:36:20.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Should have asked about pronunciation and implied he was getting it wrong, and therefore would be unsaved
<2023-05-15T15:24:58.000Z> hazlin: It was absolutely insane, it was so insane I had to leave the table
<2023-05-15T15:25:19.000Z> hazlin: and when I left, I heard other people asking him for the name of the Bible he was learning all this from
<2023-05-15T15:25:25.000Z> hazlin: they wanted their own copy
<2023-05-15T19:16:28.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: completely nuts
<2023-05-15T19:17:34.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Also, gonna do some reveiw work a bit further of the source docs for the BSB to ensure something
<2023-05-15T19:18:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Because it looks like they took a Majority route for the NT, but then a weird Originist heresy route for the OT
<2023-05-15T19:18:56.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: As the masoretic is literally the only source doc that has the differences Im seeing, but I wanna be sure before I make a liscense and commit to correcting the BSB
<2023-05-22T05:20:25.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Inquisitorium 
<2023-05-22T05:21:59.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Still working on my name idea
<2023-05-22T05:22:44.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Can't really find anything that's the functional opposite of apologetics. The concept is solid though: explain why something is wrong and say it's wrong
<2023-05-22T14:13:29.000Z> hazlin: hmm
<2023-05-22T14:14:26.000Z> hazlin: Judgement 
<2023-05-22T14:30:18.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Maybe,
<2023-05-22T14:30:54.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Basically is the premise of pointing out something that is wrong and saying and explaining why...
<2023-05-22T20:27:36.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Judicium? I dunno, I really like the ridiculousness of "unapologetics"
<2023-05-22T20:34:13.000Z> hazlin: Condemnics xD
<2023-05-22T20:36:52.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Judicium: Condemnics might work...
<2023-05-22T20:37:12.000Z> SpurgAnon@varishangout.net: Some of it will definitely be humorous enough to justifiy it, like the witch test