<2021-04-27T01:54:58.000Z> MechaSilvio: Would you unlock @slovborg account? Lewds locked him in a heat of the moment, then got too personal and is intransigent on not unlocking
<2021-04-27T02:04:29.000Z> MechaSilvio: Demanding users to bend the knee to the admin looks petty and bad, I talked to him for like 3 days, he said he knew it's wrong but still won't unlock
<2021-04-27T02:05:24.000Z> crisp: I remember that guy was causing problems with people on other instances, also saw him trashing the site on twitter.. if he doesn't like the site why does he want to come back then. 
<2021-04-27T02:06:55.000Z> crisp: pretty sure he got lots of chances from what I remember, although I wasn't involved
<2021-04-27T02:07:31.000Z> crisp: but since I don't know the whole history it wouldn't be right for me to undo a mod's choice
<2021-04-27T02:08:00.000Z> MechaSilvio: It was mostly intra instance and we told him to stop bc shit content in the TL. He prob wasn't gonna spam shit again
<2021-04-27T02:08:54.000Z> MechaSilvio: Who should I talk to? I tried to talk to Lewds, he conceded I was right and yet wouldn't do it
<2021-04-27T02:10:11.000Z> MechaSilvio: Also it's not about him, it's about the process. It can't be "mod heat of the moment and personal feelings" topple any reasoning
<2021-04-27T02:10:46.000Z> crisp: mod heat in the momment sounds like he was baiting the mod 
<2021-04-27T02:11:06.000Z> MechaSilvio: No, I was there
<2021-04-27T02:11:48.000Z> MechaSilvio: He just added "kill yourself" to the end of ONE big reply
<2021-04-27T02:12:39.000Z> MechaSilvio: Lewds immediately locked him because "it seems you're gonna start spamming again"
<2021-04-27T02:13:14.000Z> MechaSilvio: "Acknowledge the rules now"
<2021-04-27T02:14:30.000Z> crisp: I was brought up to speed on it just now, there's no chance he's coming back 
<2021-04-27T02:14:51.000Z> MechaSilvio: Can I know why
<2021-04-27T02:15:39.000Z> MechaSilvio: I mean, I truly don't care about banning people for spam after one warning
<2021-04-27T02:15:57.000Z> crisp: no it's beyond that, that wasn't the only incident
<2021-04-27T02:16:15.000Z> MechaSilvio: But this looks really petty to everyone that was there
<2021-04-27T02:17:54.000Z> MechaSilvio: I thought the day of rules change was an amnesty
<2021-04-27T02:18:47.000Z> crisp: no it wasn't, infact the rules had to be changed because people were causing so much shit and getting the site delisted from so many places 
<2021-04-27T02:19:03.000Z> crisp: people like him literally made us have to be more strict to protect the site
<2021-04-27T02:19:46.000Z> MechaSilvio: Yeah but my point still stands 
<2021-04-27T02:20:18.000Z> crisp: tell him to join another fedi instance, there's a bunch of them
<2021-04-27T02:20:25.000Z> MechaSilvio: Don't mind banning people that affect federation capabilities
<2021-04-27T02:20:35.000Z> MechaSilvio: It's not about him
<2021-04-27T02:20:48.000Z> MechaSilvio: He prob won't come back
<2021-04-27T02:20:48.000Z> crisp: actually it is, he's a liability user lol
<2021-04-27T02:21:04.000Z> crisp: and now he's calling the site admin pedos on twitter and shit, I did see that
<2021-04-27T02:21:28.000Z> MechaSilvio: Yes, that's the fckn issue
<2021-04-27T02:21:30.000Z> crisp: people who don't like site policy can join other fedi sites, many have
<2021-04-27T02:22:10.000Z> crisp: and that guy is a major liability imo
<2021-04-27T02:22:42.000Z> MechaSilvio: I'm not discussing having or not a user
<2021-04-27T02:22:58.000Z> MechaSilvio: It's about the procedures 
<2021-04-27T02:23:12.000Z> MechaSilvio: I still don't know what he did
<2021-04-27T02:23:47.000Z> MechaSilvio: I remember me and other boys policing his spam thread first ourselves 
<2021-04-27T02:25:37.000Z> crisp: people get warned, posts might be deleted if legally questionable,  and then they get sandboxed or in very bad cases banned 
<2021-04-27T02:26:12.000Z> crisp: and people who then start a war with the entire site, at least in my opinion, should be given zero chances.. because it's never worth it 
<2021-04-27T02:26:22.000Z> MechaSilvio: Also either ban after crimes, don't explain anything (or maybe a warning), or do nothing, but sand boxing just for refusing to bend the knee looks bad
<2021-04-27T02:26:51.000Z> crisp: it's not a ban after crimes, he was such a problem user we had to MAKE NEW RULES to prevent other people from causing so much shit 
<2021-04-27T02:27:39.000Z> MechaSilvio: But what was it
<2021-04-27T02:28:24.000Z> MechaSilvio: I still don't know. I didn't see anything else that one spam thing that I myself stopped
<2021-04-27T02:28:30.000Z> crisp: anyway what's your point, I stand by the other people and personally, I don't like that guy much
<2021-04-27T02:28:47.000Z> crisp: he was warned and didn't listenand is now accusing the whole site of being pedos fuck him
<2021-04-27T02:29:13.000Z> crisp: he can join another fedi instance it's not like he was banned for life from the fediverse
<2021-04-27T02:29:38.000Z> MechaSilvio: It's not about that for me
<2021-04-27T02:29:45.000Z> crisp: so what is it then
<2021-04-27T02:30:36.000Z> crisp: apparently he was pissing off other people on other instances too, the guy is the problem not us
<2021-04-27T02:30:43.000Z> crisp: banned from 110 fedi servers
<2021-04-27T02:31:52.000Z> MechaSilvio: Point is it looks like he only had a beef with a mod
<2021-04-27T02:32:00.000Z> crisp: it was more than that
<2021-04-27T02:32:10.000Z> crisp: that was the last straw actually afaik
<2021-04-27T02:32:29.000Z> MechaSilvio: Yes, but no one shows me what it was
<2021-04-27T02:33:03.000Z> MechaSilvio: And I was the one telling him to cut it off with bad spammy content
<2021-04-27T02:33:24.000Z> MechaSilvio: "Am I next"
<2021-04-27T02:33:27.000Z> crisp: breaking multiple rules, starting shit with the site admin, getting warned and still breaking rules... afaik... I don't have a full police report pdf though 
<2021-04-27T02:33:44.000Z> crisp: I dunno did anyone warn you to cut shit out ?
<2021-04-27T02:35:15.000Z> crisp: that's all I know though because I wasn't the person who was interacting with them 
<2021-04-27T02:35:34.000Z> MechaSilvio: Not yet 😎. I just wanna know what happened bc I was on the case too. Yeah he's a belligerent guy, but so are others
<2021-04-27T02:35:43.000Z> crisp: and I'm only entertaining you cause I remember your account for a long time 
<2021-04-27T02:36:06.000Z> crisp: well the full answer is I don't know everything that happened but I did ask about it 
<2021-04-27T02:36:55.000Z> crisp: we had some problem users including people we knew for years and everyone we gave chances to it wasn't worth it.. 
<2021-04-27T02:37:06.000Z> crisp: you give a person a chance they just start shit again
<2021-04-27T02:37:22.000Z> MechaSilvio: I just don't want Poast to look like you have a small beef with the admins and they will lock your account, demand you do stuff. That's no different from twitter demanding to delete tweets
<2021-04-27T02:37:59.000Z> crisp: I mean if you @jack and call him a nigger it won't work out well lol
<2021-04-27T02:38:30.000Z> MechaSilvio: As I said, a single warning then a straight up ban is a different thing
<2021-04-27T02:38:39.000Z> crisp: naw it was more than that dude like I said
<2021-04-27T02:39:06.000Z> crisp: and I can't reverse shit that everyone else decided 
<2021-04-27T02:39:17.000Z> MechaSilvio: Yes, I know, I'm just raising what it looked like from the outside
<2021-04-27T02:39:41.000Z> crisp: it seems like people demand this be a free for all all speech goes site when no other site is like that
<2021-04-27T02:39:54.000Z> crisp: none of the TRS ones, 4chan, salo forum.. none ofthem
<2021-04-27T02:40:24.000Z> crisp: 4chan randomly bans people too
<2021-04-27T02:40:35.000Z> crisp: this site is much less random than most of them
<2021-04-27T02:40:47.000Z> MechaSilvio: Yeah it's not about that. If rules are clear, that's fine
<2021-04-27T02:41:17.000Z> crisp: we spent a lot of time trying to write rules as clear as possible, it's hard to make it more clear
<2021-04-27T02:41:26.000Z> crisp: that was something I was involved with personally 
<2021-04-27T02:42:47.000Z> MechaSilvio: That's why I've been annoying with this for this long (sorry), bc it wasn't cut clear rule breaking in the moment
<2021-04-27T02:43:26.000Z> MechaSilvio: (Tbh it would have been better to wait for rule break then straight up ban)
<2021-04-27T02:45:17.000Z> crisp: all of us have bee online for like 20 years we can spot a problem user pretty quickly 
<2021-04-27T02:45:21.000Z> crisp: or more
<2021-04-27T02:46:20.000Z> MechaSilvio: Anyway, that's my thing. Not sure what happened behind the scenes, just thought Lewds was too invested from how much he was shitted on that day by everyone and that could give bad rep to site
<2021-04-27T02:47:32.000Z> MechaSilvio: I won't annoy you guys with this anymore (yet...curiosity about the crimes is killing me)
<2021-04-27T02:48:01.000Z> MechaSilvio attached file https://img.poast.org/45cedc48bf40e268fdc880631fd4a14a2a85a27913ba21cf67f199c94a98eb92.jpeg
<2021-04-27T02:48:15.000Z> crisp: I told you, he was causing so much shit we had to literally write new rule about spamming other sites with 'die tranny' or whatever 
<2021-04-27T02:48:45.000Z> crisp: that was mostly from him afaik
<2021-04-27T02:48:52.000Z> crisp: like the actual rule
<2021-04-27T02:49:13.000Z> crisp: that's how much of a problem it was
<2021-04-27T02:53:24.000Z> MechaSilvio: Yeah got it. Just showing my DEEB GONCERN about it bc it looked like it was capricious mod decision.
<2021-04-27T02:53:33.000Z> MechaSilvio: Cheers!