<2021-12-12T01:04:46.000Z> jamie_birch: Idk how to start this, so I'm just gonna jump in. I do a very small stream with some friends from twitter, have been for a little over a year. I met and fell in love with a girl on the show, just drove 300 miles to meet her in person, and I'm pretty certain I'm going to marry her.  I was on painkillers and then suboxone for my entire 20s (I'm 34 now), and have been taking kratom since shortly after I got clean. I'm quitting it for her, or I guess us rather, and I remembered you talking about a very similar situation ona show one time. My question is- how long/bad were the withdrawls from kratom? I've got some lower back pain and shivers, but I haven't felt like im going to shit my pants at all yet. Just wanted to see what it was like for you, idk anyone else who has gotten off the stuff. Tbh the meeting a girl via podcast is kinda incidental to my actual question, I just thought it was a funny coincidence. 
<2021-12-12T01:08:47.000Z> jamie_birch: I never felt like I really wanted to stop before now, I'm not sure if you went through something similar when you met your woman, but yeah I'm ready to get the fuck off it
<2021-12-14T03:59:28.000Z> borzoi: all that realy happened for me is my IBS came back
<2021-12-14T03:59:43.000Z> borzoi: takes a least month to get back to baseline
<2021-12-15T18:51:47.000Z> jamie_birch: yeah i cut down from having like 8-10 teaspoons a day (i know its a lot, i got a bit carried away i guess) to now 1, had bad sweats but thats subsiding a lot. the shids is rough tho lol
<2021-12-20T14:44:09.000Z> borzoi: All I can offer is encouragement as that's a lot
<2021-12-21T14:42:18.000Z> jamie_birch: Yeah, I feel like I'm through the worst at this point though. Havent taken any since I originally messaged you, was gonna taper down but I just said 'fuck it' and quit outright. My sleep is pretty fucked, but the rest of it is fading. Been working 9 hour days every day to try and keep my mind off it, which sucked, but I asked for it. Totally worth it, would walk through hell to be a better man for her. Appreciate the words of support btw.
<2021-12-22T20:11:15.000Z> borzoi: How's it going
<2021-12-29T19:30:08.000Z> jamie_birch: pretty good actually, I think im mostly back to normal now
<2021-12-29T19:31:40.000Z> jamie_birch: slept almost the whole night last night, for the first time since i quit, hope I can keep that up