<2021-12-15T06:09:01.000Z> blue: I am facing the choice between getting an mRNA vax in order to start studying at university in january or seeking permission to defer my studies until 2023 so that I can get a protein vax ( or in the worst case lose the opportunity entirely if the university administration refuses). I am asking for your advice since you appear to have a lot of knowledge on the true safety of these products. 
<2021-12-15T06:15:54.000Z> scalar: Unfortunately this is a deeply personal decision that only you can decide. While will help in anyway I can, not certain that my advice should be what you base any decision on that could affect your life going forward.Do you have any prior conditons or co-morbidities that you're currently being treated for?
<2021-12-15T06:53:36.000Z> blue: Yes, it's ultimately up to me and I'm just doing what I can to get good council from various people before I commit one way or another.I don't suffer with any major problems. I have some allergies and autoimmune disorders which were severe as a child but have subsided as I grew up and have further improved lately as I have cleaned up my diet and removed various agitants from my enviroment. However I did have a minor stroke (transient ischemic attack)when I was an adolescent and I have stroke risk in my family history so I have been very wary from the start with the mRNA vaccines. I am also a male in my twenties so I have become concerned about possible heart risk with mRNA vaccines.
<2021-12-15T07:04:47.000Z> scalar: Apologies if my initial response seemed like avoidance or leaving you out to dry - not my intention.Your instincts are correct, the stroke risk both from your prior and family-history is something to strongly keep in mind.Wherever your located, what injection options do you have available to you?
<2021-12-15T07:59:54.000Z> blue: All good, it's a pretty heavy subject to broach so I understand and I don't mean to put pressure on you by asking you to weigh in on the situation.I'm in Zogstralia. Currently we have AZ, Pfizer, and Moderna (for children now too, approved this week) but eventually we will have Novavax, which I see as being a much better option (but still not harmless). I had assumed I would have that option by now but blatant corruption has stalled the approval so now there is no hope of it being distributed in time for the start of my degree.
<2021-12-15T08:07:50.000Z> scalar: So, maybe a different line of questioning/reasoning might be of aid for you.
<2021-12-15T08:08:01.000Z> scalar: Let's bracket off the shot for now.
<2021-12-15T08:08:37.000Z> scalar: Does your intended field of study have guaranteed employment, living wages, upon completion of the program?
<2021-12-15T08:09:58.000Z> scalar: don't need to dox the details - but the dichotomy i'm trying to present is that if you're going for Liberal Arts, Poly Sci, or Philosophy v.s. Engineering,CompSci, or something where you're recruited right out of graduation... you might be able to weigh the vaccine issue better
<2021-12-15T08:11:00.000Z> scalar: In that, if you choose to "bite the bullet" and get it - would it be worth it in the end? - Employment, good wages, job guarantee, can start family if that's what you want comfortably.
<2021-12-15T08:11:59.000Z> scalar: If what you want to go for has no guarantees at the end of it - then not getting the shot/deferrment is a viable strategy as you aren't "losing" much.
<2021-12-15T08:12:06.000Z> scalar: idk if that makes any sense?
<2021-12-15T08:13:52.000Z> scalar: My overt position is that no one should ever get any injection, but just trying to broaden the "elimination critera" up a bit to maybe help you make a better decision.
<2021-12-15T08:18:52.000Z> blue: Yes definitely, I see where you are coming from. I wouldn't have to think twice if this was just for something like a degree in the arts. It's to study medicine, so it will unambiguously lead to a career that pays and is secure, even in a crisis.That being said, it's an increasingly politicised field and who knows what sort of kafkaesque ultimatums are coming down the pipe next. As it stands though, this is a qualification that actually pays
<2021-12-15T08:21:10.000Z> scalar: of course, however once you have the MD - there's a wide-ranging avenues you can pursue that isn't confined to arenas subject to the most political pressure.
<2021-12-15T08:21:31.000Z> scalar: do Australian hospital staff currently have mandatory vaccinations?
<2021-12-15T08:23:01.000Z> blue: That's true, I think that would be good to explore assuming all goes well 
<2021-12-15T08:23:53.000Z> blue: Yeah it's been mandatory for months now. I was doing some healthcare related stuff, support staff things, and I got cut off from that 3 months ago since I didn't get vaxxed 
<2021-12-15T08:24:05.000Z> scalar: is your Uni paid for or are you/family having to pay for it?
<2021-12-15T08:25:28.000Z> blue: It's government supported but I will have to pay something like 60k all up for the 4 years of fees. I have some savings and I will get gov support for living expenses while studying too so it's feasable  
<2021-12-15T08:27:10.000Z> scalar: There is also the seeming issue with Aussie politicians fully embracing the Sunk Cost fallacy, whereby they've gone this far with it - invested their very being into it - that they're unlikely to turn back from it despite increasingly negative consequences and low positive outcomes. Is that a fair assessment?
<2021-12-15T08:31:09.000Z> blue: Yes it certainly seems this way. They were recently just easing some restrictions after getting to 95%+ NSW and VIC, but now with the omicron spreading regardless they are now preparing the lock down again. They are also stockpiling hundreds of millions of doses. I believe it's 11 doses per australian at the moment 
<2021-12-15T08:32:24.000Z> scalar: When do you have to decide by? Have you talked with anyone else who has already gone through the deferment process?
<2021-12-15T08:32:25.000Z> blue: It's really been insane here. Australia's politics have never been particularly sane, but it has really metastasised into something sick over the past 18 months 
<2021-12-15T08:34:37.000Z> blue: By the end of the year roughly. I've opened a dialogue with the university, they have to check if my reason is valid to defer (I will be using something unrelated to the vax obviously). I don't know anyone who has gone through this process unfortunately
<2021-12-15T08:36:55.000Z> scalar: are you able to apply for a deferrment before the "you have to have the shot by this date" and get a definite yes or no answer from them? is it something where you submit for a deferment, they respond, then you choose to accept it/reject (and enroll)/reject (not enroll)
<2021-12-15T08:39:37.000Z> scalar: the strategy here is a bit obvious in a "wait and see" approach, because grug take shots bad. however, your future is seemingly on the line. if you're able to get a deferment that the uni can't go back on, that's binding - where your desired future is intact - seems like the most ideal situation - no injection + future prospects still there.
<2021-12-15T08:40:50.000Z> blue: Yes, the deadline for immunisations and other health system paperwork is due in early Jan. I need to submit a written request to be approved by the head of school and dean (with supporting documents for my reason), and then they decide. Thankfully I've got a solid story so my chances are good. Even if they reject it, my medical entry exam grades are still valid for another year so there is still a shot for getting back into the same uni or another one in the next application cycle, but I would prefer not to risk that.
<2021-12-15T08:42:42.000Z> scalar: So from a Risk/Reward outlook - seems like the only currently viable way to go forward without the injection + still go on to medical school is a binding deferment.
<2021-12-15T08:43:43.000Z> scalar: It also seems that you can't even really make an informed decision about the injection without knowing a definite YES/NO as to being able to get a deferrment - as either gives drastically different scenarios to face.
<2021-12-15T08:46:49.000Z> blue: Yes, a clear answer from the uni is very important at this stage so I'm going to send my argument for deferral tomorrow and hopefully get a solid answer before Christmas
<2021-12-15T08:52:01.000Z> scalar: That's good. Was just about to send "There's the problem that if you submit late, and their decision is NO - but you postponed the injection waiting on their decision and it's after their immunization requirement for enrollment deadline - what then?" lol
<2021-12-15T08:53:14.000Z> scalar: The viable strategy here seems to be avoiding long-term big picture planning and play the short-term move/counter-move with them, and optimize towards what you want in the context of what you're willing to risk/reward with each of their counter-moves
<2021-12-15T08:54:25.000Z> scalar: hope this back and forth was more useful than a discussion around the health risks or "ze nanobots!" lol
<2021-12-15T08:55:00.000Z> scalar: not that they're not important, but seems like they only complicate/cloud the immediate actions/decisions you have to make
<2021-12-15T08:57:49.000Z> blue: Yeah that late response scenario would be dreadful. At that stage I would just have to ask if pulling out would prejudice me if I apply again next year (my exam results are very strong so in a far application I would simply get accepted again, but they might blackball me for pulling out) So I'm hoping it doesn't go there 
<2021-12-15T08:58:37.000Z> blue: Good point, this is a time for dealing with the situation at hand. It's impossible to know where things are going and not helpful to think about for now
<2021-12-15T08:59:18.000Z> scalar: So if you can score a deferrment, your admission the following year is guaranteed/obligated?
<2021-12-15T08:59:54.000Z> blue: Yeah I would be guaranteed a place if they approve the deferral
<2021-12-15T09:00:30.000Z> scalar: seems like the best of all worlds scenario for what you've described as your desired outcome
<2021-12-15T09:00:37.000Z> blue: And yeah we all know the vax poses a threat, whether it's zogbots or just zogclots is just details 
<2021-12-15T09:00:51.000Z> blue: yes, the only downside is that I have to wait a year 
<2021-12-15T09:01:13.000Z> blue: but that's not a big deal. I will have more time to save money and pursue interests 
<2021-12-15T09:03:50.000Z> scalar: only mRNA speculation i'll engage in here, just to support the idea is that one thing that seems highly plausible given the totality of evidence is that if you were to go in for a pfizer or moderna mRNA set - what is in the vials today seems like it would be highly different than what is in the vials 8-9 months from now.
<2021-12-15T09:05:00.000Z> scalar: While many very very smart MDs, scientists and schizos of the highest order have predicted mass deaths from it - I'm still on the fence in that it's essentially a base layer for gene therapy. The formulation and integration into a human being is a constant work in process.
<2021-12-15T09:05:22.000Z> scalar: You can CRISPR out the fuck ups, essentially.
<2021-12-15T09:05:58.000Z> scalar: So with deferrment, either you start seeing some crazy shit in the vaxx'd populations - or you don't but have a better chance of having "better formulations" in the vial that comes to you.
<2021-12-15T09:06:11.000Z> scalar: is that making sense?
<2021-12-15T09:13:41.000Z> blue: Yes, at the very least all these companies are discussing adjustments for variants, which is surely worked into the contracts governments have been signing with the drug companies.And yeah it must be said that we haven't seen red deer situation, but what is already present in VAERS (which is said to only capture a small fraction of vax events) is bad enough. I saw an abstract in Circulation which also found an assay of heart event markers (basically a swath of heart inflammation variables) went up more than double after pfizer (and sustained for at least 2.5 months). Plus the swedish study saying now that at 8 months the vax makes people more susceptible to infection now. If this is where the journals are at, I can only imagine how bad the actual situation is. My personal suspicion is that cancer rates will rise as vaccine induced auto immune deficiency rears its head
<2021-12-15T09:16:15.000Z> scalar: TLR4 TLR4 TLR4
<2021-12-15T09:16:16.000Z> blue: And yeah I definitely there is a big angle to this for normalising gene technology with the public. I saw some clip of a ted x sort of guy saying that was a big upshot of this. I'm not convinced the current mRNA being delivered is itself playing a functional role beyond cranking out toxin, but I can see how this is going to lead into the public agreeing to take some more and more outrageous gene therapies in the near future
<2021-12-15T09:17:39.000Z> scalar: so all of that being what it is - let's bring it back to your scenario: all of what you typed says one big fucking thing - that is that the terrain, the circumstances are subject to drastic changes and differences to what is today in maybe a mere few months
<2021-12-15T09:18:12.000Z> blue: Yeah exactly, whatever is going on, it's not clear enough yet and I would much rather take more time to figure out what the truth of the situation is 
<2021-12-15T09:18:51.000Z> scalar: or rather - let whatever is going to go down play itself out without you getting dragged into it.
<2021-12-15T09:20:36.000Z> blue: right, it's certainly looking like something to step back from
<2021-12-15T09:21:27.000Z> blue: I wonder a lot about fertility as well, have you heard anything concrete on that?
<2021-12-15T09:24:30.000Z> scalar: every modern injection they've come up with have always gone after fertility. gardisilHPV was a disaster for fertility. all the cumulative flu shots as well, but as to the mRNA - the S-complex tends to accumulate in female reproductive system at a ~30x ratio to the testes in the murine studies pfizer had to send in. So far, complications outside the heart stuff, seem to be lining up with spike protein accumulation zones.
<2021-12-15T09:25:31.000Z> scalar: VAERS seems biased towards women, and baseline Estrogen sex differences has been a viable reason. Thus the mRNA seems to be de-fertilizing women over men, if that is going on.
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<2021-12-15T09:27:37.000Z> scalar: Because of the nano-angle, think we're moving toward a Fertility as an authorized Service model in that the correct frequency can disengage the nano-blocks on female conception - but that might be a bit too schizo for you, lol - though, in med school you might quickly find out that all the new Cancer treatments and many biomedical interventions that are novel - are magnetic nanoparticle-based.
<2021-12-15T09:28:09.000Z> scalar: Here is the other image that corresponds to that table.
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<2021-12-15T09:29:15.000Z> scalar: Bone Marrow accumulation is of interest in here in that it was claimed that there would be no mRNA infiltration into B-cells, lol.
<2021-12-15T09:33:35.000Z> blue: Right, I do remember seeing that first table. I have also seen something things about miscarriages and stillbirths. I hadn't seen the second table, it's interesting to see the adrenal glands and bone marrow are outliers for spike accumulation, are there any adverse event correlates you have come across with those?
<2021-12-15T09:34:56.000Z> blue: Yes I do find it a bit out there, but you raise a good point. I have actually worked a bit with antibody coated ferrous beads for extracting specifically tagged cells. I suppose it's not a stretch to say that there are people refining that process to be abused by zog 
<2021-12-15T09:36:57.000Z> blue: Are B-cells the same ones that HIV infects? or is that something else
<2021-12-15T09:37:13.000Z> scalar: the miscarriages seems to be a definite thing, beyond just the math debacle in that one paper. tbh, what I care most about is the accumulation in the Bone Marrow and the Spleen. Whatever the S-Complex is doing, it's changing their immune function not just from the cellular DNA level - but up to the organ system.
<2021-12-15T09:37:56.000Z> scalar: HIV infects CD4, T-helper cells.
<2021-12-15T09:41:35.000Z> blue: That's alarming, and it adds support to the VAIDS hypothesis. I suppose this could train the immune system to attack other tissues that accumulate spike too, as well as blood in general. Also is it true that platelets can actually produce spike? since that would naturally contribute to the clot problem
<2021-12-15T12:33:58.000Z> scalar: The VAIDS hypothesis has been a thing in the naturopath/altHealth world for over a decade, especially given the immune parameters that you saw coming out of vaccine-damaged non-functioning Autistic populations.We know that the S-complex of sars-cov-2 can stimulate platelets to release coagulation factors and secretion of cytokines/inflammatory factors.Those who tried to suggest this were met with responses like this "Although the hypothesis raised may seem fascinating we believe that disseminating the doubt, not corroborated by experimental evidence, that indeed the direct interaction of the AstraZeneca vaccine with platelets may lead to platelet consumption may be very dangerous and disorient patients and medical practitioners with a possibly very negative impact on this crucial initial phase of SARS-CoV-2 mass vaccination."However, a few months ago - sci-hub.mksa.top/10.1016/j.tcm.2021.08.012It's all starting to come out, but I think we're going to see lots of "fog of war" and "confusion" until someone figured out that it's epigentic predispositions that will manifest the risk factors for how it fucks you up. You can do population data to get a sense of who gets fucked up more if you have glownigger access to datasets, however from our level - it's really individualistic.
<2021-12-15T12:34:33.000Z> scalar: those who tried to suggest that the vaccine was inducing platelet production of the S-complex*
<2021-12-17T05:23:35.000Z> blue: I think you're right that it's going to come out. My guess is that when they produce the next version of the current vaccines they will cite all of these identified problems and encourage people to get the "new and improved" versions that won't cause so many problems.The internal research at these companies foresaw or witnessed in trial a lot of these problems but they just went ahead, likely emboldened by the fact that there is no liability to them.
<2021-12-17T05:24:19.000Z> scalar: none of that matters right now, lol. did you take care of your paperwork? lol
<2021-12-17T05:24:21.000Z> blue: I submitted my request for deferral yesterday so hopefully they will approve that and I wait and see with all this glowvid stuff
<2021-12-17T05:24:41.000Z> scalar: beat me too it lol
<2021-12-17T05:24:45.000Z> scalar: good on you sir
<2021-12-17T05:25:06.000Z> blue: Don't worry, I have my priorities straight 
<2021-12-17T05:26:14.000Z> blue: I'm hoping they process my request before Christmas so that they don't start asking questions about my vaccination documents, since that's on schedule soon
<2021-12-17T05:29:12.000Z> scalar: that would be ideal. hopefully no one pays much mind to it and it just floats through the bureacracy process
<2021-12-17T05:30:59.000Z> blue: Yeah that's the idea, only time will tell now but I'm cautiously optimistic 
<2021-12-17T05:31:53.000Z> blue: I looked up the person who makes the call to approve it and they have cat lady bureaucrat physiognomy so I do have some doubts 
<2021-12-17T05:33:32.000Z> scalar: ahh you never truly know with those types, despite the ubiquitous looks.
<2021-12-17T05:34:11.000Z> scalar: power of positive thinking and all that, lol
<2021-12-17T05:36:13.000Z> blue: I am generally just putting it out of my mind for the moment. It's out of my hands and I know I've made the right decision so far. No need to fret over it now
<2021-12-17T05:46:19.000Z> scalar: will second all of that. think you'll be okay.
<2021-12-17T05:47:08.000Z> scalar: might get dicey at first in Jan/Feb/March, but if you have guaranteed admission a year from now - always a good thing.
<2021-12-17T05:47:21.000Z> scalar: "Dark Winter" officially begins Dec 21st, lol.
<2021-12-17T05:50:01.000Z> blue: Yeah I'm fully expecting a big wave of propaganda shortly. I saw the vax confidence funding (1.2 billion?) in the infrastructure bill, so it's going to be glowie season 
<2021-12-17T05:51:37.000Z> blue: I suspect Australia has served as a testbed for how they want to proceed with America, so watch out. Things will probably get even worse here too, so it'll certainly be kafkaesque to watch 
<2021-12-17T05:55:16.000Z> scalar: Well for the entire global situation - think of the claims that "within X months/ Y years - the initial extreme mRNAmodified symptoms/mortality would begin to show". We're almost at the beginning, if that was to happen. Only way to cover that up would be the S-complex combining with a pathogen that has real mortality or mutations in the capsid, coronavirus base of sars-cov-2. Or a vareity of other methods.
<2021-12-17T05:55:58.000Z> scalar: Needless to say there is a "Crisis of the Real" approaching all Western nations, in a Baudrillardian sense lol - in that you can only project the "overflowing hospitals" illusion for so long before it all falls apart.
<2021-12-17T06:00:36.000Z> blue: If people start getting VAIDS and start dying of colds, fungal infections, and weird cancers they will probably just try to say it's because of the Ligma variant, which TVrace will simply take at face value
<2021-12-17T06:01:21.000Z> blue: Whatever happens next will be faker and gayer than anyone has expected, but that stopped zog yet
<2021-12-17T06:01:33.000Z> blue: that hasn't stopped zog yet*
<2021-12-17T06:03:11.000Z> scalar: sure, sure. just am expecting a mortality event v.s. a frog/pot/boil scenario over all of this. it might be covered up by geopolitical events (the Dark Winter scenario cites "growing tension in the Taiwan straits, lol), but for legitimacy there needs to be an infusion of the "Real" v.s. illusion continuation.
<2021-12-17T06:03:57.000Z> scalar: However, for all of us, we should hope for the absurd illusion continuation as there's hope to slow down or at least temporarily halt the march forward
<2021-12-17T06:10:01.000Z> blue: Yeah you might be right, there has been woefully little substance since really the start of covid, so real suffering and death would be needed to keep the show going. Or like you said, shifting gears to some kind of Taiwan or similar war situation as the focus
<2021-12-24T05:11:29.000Z> scalar: any word yet on ya deferral?
<2021-12-24T06:17:23.000Z> blue: Yeah, they are taking their sweet time. I asked them when I could expect to hear the decision and they told me that I won't hear back until early January.
<2021-12-24T06:20:54.000Z> scalar: Okay, well just checking in on ya - in that you know you have someone out there hoping for things to go your way, sir.
<2021-12-24T06:26:11.000Z> blue: Thank you, I am grateful for that. I hope you're enjoying the Christmas season and that things are going your way too!
<2021-12-24T06:27:31.000Z> scalar: haha, thank you. hopefully the lot of us stack up some w's come the new year.
<2021-12-24T06:45:11.000Z> blue: With the powers of racism and antisemitism combined, we will surely bring in the wins
<2022-11-12T06:26:39.000Z> blue: If you ever wondered, the university ended up denying my request for deferral. I applied again this year and got into dentistry, but having had time to learn more about the medical industry and reflect on things, I have decided not to go down that road.
<2022-11-12T11:58:07.000Z> scalar: I did. Thanks for the update. Hopefully you've found a road that you feel is more in line with how you feel about things. I'm assuming they never relaxed the vax requirements over the year?
<2022-11-12T12:53:37.000Z> blue: Yeah I'm better off now, and I would hate to be in Sydney for 4 years of uni with the way inflation has gone. And no I don't believe they have removed covid vaccine requirements for medical school. They have relaxed it for most other things though
<2022-11-12T12:57:20.000Z> scalar: It's probably safe to assume the continuous line of boosers/updates + others would be required, through the four years. As long as you are happy, confident, and financially stable with your decision - glad to hear that it sounds like you're doing well!
<2022-11-12T13:04:51.000Z> blue: Yes, it's likely that there will be more mRNA vax requirements in the future. And yeah I'm in a good spot now, so I'm content with how things worked out.
<2022-11-12T13:06:33.000Z> scalar: Well, congrats sir. Maybe it was never about the injectable, but about you dodging a life path that would have led to misery. Something to think about.
<2022-11-12T13:10:41.000Z> blue: You know well how corrupt the medical industry is... I think I would have gone mad sacrificing most of my time and energy for a sake of that system.
<2022-11-12T13:13:23.000Z> scalar: In most Western nations if you don't follow the "do this, with drug XYZ" you face legal ramifications - even if it's poison. For example - Statins + "High" Cholesterol. Seems like with someone like yourself, with what you know about the world - wouldn't have been a good fit long-term, especially if you had to watch the vulnerable get fucked up from "treatments" you were legally obligated to have to limit as options to them.
<2022-11-12T13:16:00.000Z> blue: Yes exactly. I have a friend who suffered for a long time and finally found a doctor who diagnosed him properly and prescribed drugs that began to heal him, but the use case wasn't fully sanctioned so the doctor ended up losing his license for that. 
<2022-11-12T13:18:16.000Z> blue: I have been learning a lot about nutrition, vaccines, birth, among other things related to health and it's pretty easy to see that I would have to go against my own best judgement if I were to continue practicing.
<2022-11-12T13:29:11.000Z> scalar: That's rough, and seems likely to only become both a more wide-spread phenomena, as well as allopathicMDs refusing to even entertain "outside" strategies due to career risk. Nonetheless - it seems you're confident that you're better off - which is what matters, so good on you sir.
<2022-11-12T14:07:23.000Z> blue: I just have no faith in the medical system, seeing the sort of things it forces on people.