<2021-04-14T01:19:31.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: HI sorry I've been out for a bit. Sure
<2021-04-14T01:44:39.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: going out for a little bit again but I promise I'll get the message this time 
<2021-04-14T01:49:40.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: for the first question, I'm not really qualified to answer that. You might either email a representative or ask someone who's taken the course. I'd presume the answer would be 'yes' but it's tough to say. 
<2021-04-14T01:50:05.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: the second question I can answer, but it's a little more complicated. I can give you a write up in maybe an hour. Sound good? 
<2021-04-14T02:53:36.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: well, pretty much any software job these days you get will be remote. The industry was kind of going that way anyway. For being a beginner, you might want to consider working for a larger company for starters. Large companies suck, but they have a lot of safety nets in place. On your first job, you WILL mess up. A lot. Don't worry about it because it's just part of the process. Large companies expect that and have systems to mitigate the effects of mistakes. Small companies generally don't.Ultimately, you'll want to research what other people's experiences at a company were like, since I can't really give you specifics on that
<2021-04-14T02:54:28.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: a lot of the journey in software engineering is figuring out how YOU think and work
<2021-04-14T02:54:43.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: and practices that you can do to help you through tough situations. 
<2021-04-14T02:55:38.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: Once you've moved on from novice to intermediate, you're going to feel a lot more comfortable going into new environments and will have a generally good idea of what you need to do to adapt to new problems given to you. From there, remote working will get easier.
<2021-04-14T02:56:46.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I don't know you, obviously, but I'd predict the most difficult part will be learning to focus from home. I can't do that, personally. I always have to go out to some public place like a coffee shop or a park and plan out my work. Usually I draft on pen and paper if I already know the system. I might also take a small laptop with the code I'm trying to figure out and study outdoors or just generally migrating around 
<2021-04-14T02:57:39.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I can just crank out text at home to music or something, but there's a really strong association between "being home" and 'relaxing" and you might find that's going to be a much larger barrier than you'd expect
<2021-04-14T03:09:31.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: oh right
<2021-04-14T03:09:48.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: one more thing is that daily exercise is CRITICAL 
<2021-04-14T03:09:58.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: your brain needs blood. Your butt does not
<2021-04-14T04:32:02.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: np, gl
<2021-04-20T02:51:45.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: good to hear
<2021-04-21T04:12:35.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I've been doing it professionally for roughly 10 years but I've been programming since about 14. It was a very very slow on and off start though. Some of that professional work was both paid and unpaid during college years so take that as you will. 
<2021-04-21T04:13:09.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I don't recommend quitting your job until you have a more clear path what exactly you want to do
<2021-04-21T04:13:19.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: unless you can get an assured in back to it if you need
<2021-04-21T04:19:32.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I'd really recommend getting the fundamentals down first with that CS50 course + Data Structures/Algorithms. The bootcamps are going to hand you a box of magic and tell you to glue it to another box of magic 
<2021-04-21T04:20:17.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: yes, that would be fine
<2021-04-21T04:20:39.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: as for degrees, those are not as important in this field as they are in others as far as qualifications go
<2021-04-21T04:21:01.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: portfolio and skill can get you in fine
<2021-04-21T04:22:43.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: on the degree, that said, if you have a community college near you that might be a good option... though I don't know what the deal is with covid there
<2021-04-21T04:23:03.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: you don't need to get an associates from there. You can just take loose leaf classes 
<2021-04-21T04:23:20.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: those kinds of place are designed for people who are not full time students 
<2021-04-21T04:30:03.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: there's a lot to go through, and you're going to have to do some brain rewiring on the way. The learning curve for me was a very "punctuated equilibrium" looking graph.
<2021-04-21T04:30:32.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: when run up against those periods where you're hitting a wall, remember to take frequent (but controlled) breaks
<2021-04-21T04:31:14.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: that's going to be especially important when learning algorithms because those things can start blurring in front of your eyes real fast if you don't walk away from them every now and again
<2021-04-21T05:01:04.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: There's value in immersion, just not to the point that you start banging your head on your keyboard. During periods after you stop actively thinking about a problem, your brain is still sorting through it in the background and it will make more sense to you when you come back to it. Ultimately you should try both methods for yourself. 
<2021-04-28T04:33:11.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: if you have plans to quit soon anyway, threatening to quit isn't the best idea. It gives the impression that if they give you what you want, you'll stay, which is obviously not the case. That can hurt chances of a good recommendation. 
<2021-04-28T04:33:58.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: so I'd just ask and if they say no, you'll just need to deal with it until you exit 
<2021-04-28T04:42:39.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: alright
<2021-04-28T04:45:40.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: what's your current industry if you don't mind me asking?
<2021-04-28T04:49:04.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I see. Wishing you luck
<2021-05-07T21:15:05.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: good luck, I know how waiting on 'discussions' like that can be
<2021-05-07T21:16:40.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: this is much different than last time I applied
<2021-05-07T21:16:51.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: it's not that they're just rejecting me despite having a much stronger resume
<2021-05-07T21:16:57.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: it's that I'm getting complete and total silence 
<2021-05-07T21:17:46.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: it might depend on the specific type of industry though 
<2021-05-07T21:18:03.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: the kind Im trying to get into is a specific tech sector that's notorious for being more woke than others
<2021-05-07T21:18:11.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: but it's really all I know how to do
<2021-05-07T21:19:28.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I can't say unfortunately. It's very specific and I just want to keep my online ID as far as possible from my real one
<2021-05-07T21:20:14.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: as to why I can't just hop to another one... that's a long explanation 
<2021-05-07T21:20:32.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I've done other types of work and I was miserable 
<2021-05-07T21:20:40.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I just dreaded getting up and going to work every day
<2021-05-07T21:21:04.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: again most people don't mind at all doing the kind of jobs I did (web dev, business dev)
<2021-05-07T21:21:24.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: but it just didn't jive with me and i legitimately hated life for a solid block of 3 years
<2021-05-07T21:22:20.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: In any case my situation is fairly specific and I wouldn't try to apply it to what you're doing. As long as you're not trying to get into silicon valley it's probably not going to hit you as hard
<2021-05-07T21:22:47.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I've been doing this for a pretty long time yeah
<2021-05-07T21:23:52.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: thanks... I might consult one of those resume buffing agencies and ask them what I can do
<2021-05-07T21:48:01.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: You know, one thing I just realized which is a route I might go down too
<2021-05-07T21:48:10.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: there's lots of non-american companies that hire remote
<2021-05-07T21:48:50.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: every american page I've gone to has the standard disclaimer about "equal opportunity employer" immediately followed by a whole paragraph of "WE TRY AS HARD AS POSSIBLE TO NOT HIRE WHITES" in not so many words 
<2021-05-07T21:49:11.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: all of the foreign companies I've seen have their staff pictures up filled with white guys and nothing like that of the sort 
<2021-05-07T21:53:10.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: lately I've straight up seen some companies that right after that literally say in these words "We prioritize BIPOC applications"
<2021-05-07T21:58:02.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: yeah I don't take what happens in SF to be indicative of what's happening everywhere. They're the rotten core of clown world.
<2021-05-07T22:01:41.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: Need to get back to work for now
<2021-05-07T22:01:45.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: good talking to you
<2021-05-11T17:47:22.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: Hey I'm in the middle of work, so I can't really talk right now but I'd like to give an update. I've been getting the cold shoulder for weeks now from American companies. I just applied to two dutch ones and got responses back instantly.
<2021-05-11T17:47:35.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I guess that's something to consider if you start running into issues here
<2021-05-11T20:05:47.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I'd imagine contract work outside the US would be fine, but I'm not an expert in that. Also congrats on remote.
<2021-05-15T23:41:31.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: That would explain a lot
<2021-05-15T23:44:12.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: normally I think ramzpaul is full of shit, but I can't explain how I would get NO responses at all
<2021-05-15T23:44:15.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: not even rejections 
<2021-05-15T23:44:21.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: just outright silence from american companies 
<2021-05-15T23:48:41.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: that especially strikes me as odd is that it wasn't like this last time I applied with far less of a resume
<2021-05-15T23:49:06.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I got lots of rejection letters of course because I was just starting out, but I always heard back within 3-4 days
<2021-05-17T03:56:01.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: Hey so I talked with a friend who works for a major recruiting agency myself.
<2021-05-17T03:56:20.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: obviously it's not what Retardpaul is saying... but there is something to it 
<2021-05-17T03:57:00.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: The long and short if it is that they're starting to do 'content curation' and using race as a factor much like twitter does 
<2021-05-17T03:57:30.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: those dutch companies I applied to did not use a recruiting firm and that's why I got replied to instantly 
<2021-05-17T03:58:30.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: he dropped an internal email to me and it reads something like "We're working hard to ensure that what we're doing is not incredibly fucking illegal"
<2021-05-17T03:59:10.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: If you know anybody who works for these companies, they likely have gotten this memo too
<2021-05-17T03:59:14.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: it's apparently not a big secret
<2021-05-17T03:59:40.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: but would probably be a PR nightmare if the companies using them to recruit found out 
<2021-05-17T04:04:09.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: the point is though
<2021-05-17T04:04:25.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: it seems doubtful that the companies I am applying to are doing this
<2021-05-17T04:04:40.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: google/ms/FAANG maybe
<2021-05-17T04:04:47.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: but not these guys 
<2021-05-17T04:05:01.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: they're almost certainly never seeing what I'm sending 
<2021-05-17T04:50:28.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: yeah I heard about that, but that stuff is more or less standard at megacorps at this point
<2021-05-17T04:51:04.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: intentionally skewing hiring by race in an opaque manner without the employers knowing is a new one on me
<2021-05-17T04:52:29.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: apparently there's going to be a meeting on this topic at the company tomorrow. I don't know if my friend is going to be at that specifically, but there could be an update
<2021-05-17T04:53:50.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: but I think it's safe to say you should try getting out there and networking rather than applying
<2021-05-17T04:54:00.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: which is good advice no matter what the situation
<2021-05-17T04:54:04.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: but especially now, apparently
<2021-06-18T13:59:28.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: decent, but you just caught me rushing out the door to work. ttyl
<2021-06-18T23:25:15.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: no, I'm still at my old one
<2021-06-18T23:25:36.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: there's an extremely uncertain transition period going on and I'm unsure if I'm staying or not
<2021-06-18T23:25:47.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: in the meantime I can't get a lot done and it's just nerve wracking 
<2021-06-18T23:28:21.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: pretty muc
<2021-06-18T23:28:23.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: h
<2021-06-18T23:29:02.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I'm still looking in the meantime because I'm not really expecting it to go too well
<2021-06-18T23:29:15.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: the company has lost a lot of it's leverage 
<2021-06-18T23:48:35.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: just a spiral downwards over time, basically
<2021-06-18T23:48:58.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: we lost a lot of our methods for outreach, which caused us to lose money, which further limited outreach 
<2021-06-18T23:49:06.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: I can't say much more than that
<2021-06-18T23:49:15.000Z> RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc: we're looking into resources but I'm not hopeful 