<2023-05-19T20:30:27.000Z> Youngblood: Hi friend, just wanted to let you know that I'm the spinster you commented back to after I sent that big comment to ladymont. I can't see your comment from my Spinster account but just wanted to say thanks, and I appreciate that. 
<2023-05-19T23:57:19.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: No problem. I know "my side" can be really awful towards women and I don't like it at all. I also appreciate that you stood up to her, it helps to hear that sort of stuff stated explicitly even though I know enough women to know 99% don't support what she was saying.
<2023-05-19T23:59:20.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Also sorry I took so long to get back to you, I have notification numbers disabled so I tend to miss things until I explicitly check them
<2023-05-20T00:27:26.000Z> Youngblood: Yeah I completely agree. I saw your interaction with her on here and appreciate how rational you were trying to be to her. Idk some of the women on there are just very man hatey, then when you say anything to them they'll make fun of you as if you're a brainwashed needy girl. I've been debating making a poast for awhile though because of how some of them talk about women but I was losing my mind being on Spinster and having my lifestyle constantly attacked. They don't realize they're two sides to the same bird. 
<2023-05-20T00:28:42.000Z> Youngblood: Oh yeah I get it - don't worry about it. Thanks again though just for actually trying to have a conversation and being rational about it all. I really hate when men and women fight and go to extremes about each other 
<2023-05-20T00:30:35.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Yeah I agree 100%. We're meant to be on the same side in these things and any sort of "x are all bad or all like y" stuff is both just untrue and very destructive 
<2023-05-20T00:31:29.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Gender relations have been intentionally sabotaged and both side treat the other like shit now but the solution isn't to hate eachother it's to try to repair things
<2023-05-20T00:34:32.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Also if you find that poast users aren't welcoming (there are enough of them that are just the male versions of what's on spinster), seal.cafe, nicecrew.digital or one of the more neutral instances like cawfee.club might be a better option. 
<2023-05-20T00:34:54.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: tiggy just moved over hear
<2023-05-20T00:37:04.000Z> Youngblood: Yes! We're both halves of the population, it's the most natural thing in the world to get along. Even though we've been baited to think it's unnatural or something. I've just seen so much hate from both sides about one another that I could write a novel on the examples. It isn't supposed to be like this. 
<2023-05-20T00:38:09.000Z> Youngblood: I absolutely agree with you though and everything you're saying. 
<2023-05-20T00:39:30.000Z> Youngblood: And yeah, actually I had made a nicecrew account originally, but it wasn't political enough lol. Matty said he didn't want it to be too political and just a place to share memes and shitpost. I had considered seal.cafe but I wasn't sure if I would get the same as nicecrew. Thank you though, if it gets too bad here I'll definitely try it out. How do you like it? 
<2023-05-20T00:40:15.000Z> Youngblood: Still not sure why my Spinster account didn't see your profile? Obviously ladymont did and I see other seal profiles 
<2023-05-20T01:01:27.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: I don't know that's very weird
<2023-05-20T01:01:41.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Could just be fedi nonsense 
<2023-05-20T01:03:50.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Also if it's the about section of seal.cafe that concerns you, kroner has told me he just copy/pasted it from somewhere else without really reading it so it doesn't reflect this instance that much. We also have both me and bot and both of us talk about politics and whatnot a lot. 
<2023-05-20T01:04:40.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: NCD might be a bit more tolerant of politics too, one of their moderators basically just posts political content 
<2023-05-20T01:05:34.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: They are mostly just chill and shitpost types though, so if you are looking for a local timeline that has political content poa.st is probably still the best option (if you can tolerate all the anime women)
<2023-05-20T01:09:17.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Also yeah I really hate seeing all the hate for the other gender. Makes me really sad. With a lot of them it seems that it comes from personal pain that they then project on everyone of the opposite gender.
<2023-05-20T01:38:38.000Z> Youngblood: Oh see that makes sense, I think nicecrew had the same about as poast so they just all copy/paste it from the same place 😂 yeah are you talking about Omega variant? I do like seeing his posts. But like you said it was mainly the "local" timeline. I would go on and anytime I'd see something political it would be a repost from poast, then I'd go on the fediverse tab to try and find it and see a lot of gross stuff haha 
<2023-05-20T01:39:57.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: I was actually talking about another one but yeah they have a couple of very political people.
<2023-05-20T01:40:07.000Z> Youngblood: Owl was nice having on there, since she's so political but she left for your site, I think she went back on NCD though. The anime women isn't fun but I've been just muting them. My husband has actually had poast for the last couple of years and that's what he did as well so his feed doesn't have it 
<2023-05-20T01:40:48.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: That works
<2023-05-20T01:41:11.000Z> Youngblood: That's true. It's hard for me to get because I've been burned by men, and I'm sure maybe you've been burned by women? We don't take it out on each other. But still, people cope differently lol
<2023-05-20T01:41:48.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: You can also mute certain hashtags that they like to use
<2023-05-20T01:42:17.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Yeah I have. I used to be more of an incel a few years ago but a lot of it was ironic jokes as opposed to serious stuff
<2023-05-20T01:42:26.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: though I did have some views that I am ashamed of now 
<2023-05-20T01:43:13.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: But I've never understood the really extreme hatred 
<2023-05-20T01:43:48.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: I mean I can understand how that's a tempting way to deal with your pain but not actually doing it
<2023-05-20T01:45:12.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Oh also owl is a dude
<2023-05-20T01:45:56.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: his friends just mess with him by saying he talks like a woman and he got all indignant about it so now they double down on it
<2023-05-20T01:58:48.000Z> Youngblood: Don't beat yourself up though. I went a little extreme when I first went on spinster. so I get it for sure
<2023-05-20T02:00:06.000Z> Youngblood: Yeah that's true, you know and then you see different stats or stories that go with how you're feeling and it's like you eyes were opened to this great injustice. It's like, at least for me,I had to learn to see things not so black and white. But yeah, i was never extremely hateful either
<2023-05-20T02:00:40.000Z> Youngblood: haha really? That's funny! I thought it was a dude but then I kept seeing the girl thing 
<2023-05-20T02:04:55.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Yeah, he's pretty sore about it still. 
<2023-05-20T02:06:40.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Yeah, its really easy to start dehumanizing the other gender. I think for me what really helped me realize that was wrong was realizing that both sides were failing the other and that a large part of that has to do with the environment and values we've been raised with instead of our nature 
<2023-05-20T02:07:17.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Men and women both have a dark side to us and in modern society it's easy to think that dark side is all there is when there's so many examples of shitty behavior 
<2023-05-20T02:08:15.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: but that's not set in stone. People all have their own stories and if we lived in a better world there'd be a lot more good men and women than there are now
<2023-05-20T03:26:23.000Z> Youngblood: Dang, now I feel bad for misgendering him LOL
<2023-05-20T03:26:32.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: lol
<2023-05-20T03:29:52.000Z> Youngblood: Yes, perfectly put. It makes sense in nature. There's so much around though here to steer us to lose track of it. And yes, 100% to everything you said. I hate to sound like one of those wokies of "we're all unique" but we do all have a story to tell like you said, and it sucks to be grouped into something. Like when people see I'm from spinster, they automatically assume a lot. Like I just found the site from being barred from reddit lol. 
<2023-05-20T03:31:32.000Z> Youngblood: It's been nice to talk to tiggy because she's similar and didn't get caught up in just staying in spinster. I think us being a part of the greater fediverse is good for us. Although it does make people like ladymont more radical. Cause she's on the internet all the time, seeing many men who are on the internet all the time. Probably distorts reality. She should go outside and smell some roses 
<2023-05-20T15:56:28.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Yeah that's a good point, especially with how poast and spinster usually interact your really seeing the worst eachother has to offer. It's also easy to get into an echo chamber where you only hear the most radical side being preached mostly uncontested.
<2023-05-20T15:57:42.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: The male side has that problem too, guys who will find the worst examples of female behavior and then talk about how "this is just a woman's psychology" and it sounds convincing if you aren't hearing people talk about all the examples of women who don't act like that or better yet meeting them
<2023-05-20T16:13:01.000Z> Youngblood: Oh yeah right, you're spot on. Do you remember Emma Faber? I think her interactions with men on the fedi really harmed how spinsters work. I mean one time she even got into it with my husband and he was being so rational and tried to see her side because he knew her and I talked. 
<2023-05-20T16:15:25.000Z> Youngblood: But yes I see that a lot. It really bugs me because they use it to justify why we shouldn't vote or hold power. I don't know. It's hard because I'm a woman who's really into brutal punishments on bad people and anti diversity. Which obviously is similar to those guys saying it. But I can see how they would jump to it. Obviously we see women do the same thing with like stats of men doing bad things, then they go around saying "all men are rapists" which is just as stupid as when it happens to us. 
<2023-05-20T16:15:42.000Z> Youngblood: Sorry I'm just replying. For some reason it wasn't telling me I had a new chat? Spinster does that to me too 
<2023-05-20T16:16:05.000Z> Youngblood: Spinster look* 
<2023-05-20T16:17:02.000Z> Youngblood: Sorry I'll be slower on replies today too. Going to get firewood 😅 
<2023-05-20T16:21:32.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: No problem, I had just replied anyway, the timestamp on fedi dms are really inaccurate. 
<2023-05-20T16:25:02.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: But yeah, the thing with women holding power/voting is a very interesting topic and one that's going to be pretty divisive. I'm not a fan of democracy in the first place because it's too easy to manipulate both men and women (and if you look at literally any race and gender based voting exit polls you see White men and White women are more of a single block and any gender across race or even just with Whites across education (indoctrination) levels)
<2023-05-20T16:25:47.000Z> Youngblood: Oh yeah I have a picture for that! 
<2023-05-20T16:26:10.000Z> Youngblood attached file https://i.poastcdn.org/97d945b98aff13957e9ea8bef62132b3f63c93f0fdf189c8616d18cffe7bb474.jpg
<2023-05-20T16:27:13.000Z> Youngblood: The white women gives me hope lol. I agree about democracy. Too many people vote blindly and honestly shouldn't be a part of the process. They don't understand it. I just wouldn't cut it down to women only  
<2023-05-20T16:27:44.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: As for power I think 90% of the issue with "women in x position are causing problems" just comes from the fact that women are pushed into positions they aren't qualified for or wouldn't naturally be drawn towards because of diversity quotas and propaganda 
<2023-05-20T16:28:19.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: the nazis allowed women to have careers and whatnot while also holding up motherhood as the ideal and there were some very talented women who rose to very high places under them
<2023-05-20T16:29:14.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: But they didn't have any of the embarrassing "all women x does first y" stories ending disaster because they were sending a bunch of under qualified women to do something just to prove a point 
<2023-05-20T16:29:51.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Also 100%. Democracy was failing us long before women got the right to vote
<2023-05-20T16:29:53.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: and ironically 
<2023-05-20T16:30:16.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: some of the best decisions under democracy have come from women 
<2023-05-20T16:30:57.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: In the early 1st wave era women were in favor of a lot of moral reforms that I agree with 
<2023-05-20T16:33:22.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Hitler also had a lot of support among german women, and even attributed the survival of the party during it's early stages to women 
<2023-05-20T16:36:00.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: so it's really not fair to put the blame of any of this on women. If anything women just tend to be on average more in favor of whatever is popular, which is why college education does a better job of indoctrinating them then men
<2023-05-20T16:36:42.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: but even then, trump was more popular with uneducated White women than with educated White men.
<2023-05-20T16:38:23.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe attached file https://s3.us-east-1.wasabisys.com/cdn.seal.cafe/7163b7b07a89f97fb701d717c201f516182ae827cc8077bc12b34b3c16254537.png?name=5N4d0LxDNcmlrQ.png
<2023-05-21T01:27:55.000Z> Youngblood: That is really interesting to hear more about. I agree with you about essentially hitting quotas, they hire unqualified women. Really neat perspective 
<2023-05-21T01:29:10.000Z> Youngblood: I was talking to a friend of mine before and he was telling me that in the past, you needed an IQ test to get into universities, but then that was considered racists. Now stats say that all whites in college have similar IQs to what it took to get into it in the past, but with brown people it's basically "take who you can get" and it really dumbs down the education 
<2023-05-21T01:30:40.000Z> Youngblood: Like I said, really neat to see that whole perspective. I do love hearing about smart, brutal, etc. women of the past in power. You know, ones people wouldn't deem PC today. Like we should wear it with a medal of pride that women helped get the fascist movement going, but no, that's shameful? 
<2023-05-21T01:31:20.000Z> Youngblood: Wow that's interesting. So he went down with white men? I wonder why?.
<2023-05-21T01:36:12.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: A lot of people I know felt he didn't deliver on his promises
<2023-05-21T01:37:08.000Z> Youngblood: Also curious as to why women tend to go for what's more popular on average. Not trying to debate either, I genuinely want to hear theories. I mean potentially in tribal days it could have been a survival trait since we have to rely on men as protectors. Maybe it carried on? Or maybe a lot of propaganda is pushed on women. I mean I've had this theory before, but after birthing my son, I just take human life so much more seriously now. I wonder if people target that trait for their agendas, empathy essentially. The one thing I DONT get is with all this grooming shit. Women are giving birth to children who are being targeted. It should be in our nature to kill these predators threatening our children. Yet there's women out there putting their child im danger to prove their political ideals? I mean I understand men do it too, but it just astounds me women aren't going to "family friendly" drag shows with hatchets and chopping up these creeps. (I'm being dramatic but you get the point) 
<2023-05-21T01:38:39.000Z> Youngblood: I also like that the Nazis gave women power, women who earned it, but also held up mothering. I think a lot of women would want to "succeed" in roles men thrive in if ours weren't so downplayed and ridiculed. 
<2023-05-21T01:38:54.000Z> Youngblood: Wouldn't* 
<2023-05-21T01:47:29.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Yeah. Women were an important part of the part, IDK how much they were put in political positions of power but they were certainly given careers and a lot of responsibility over domestic matters and whatnot. For example one of the most important propaganda films was made by a woman who was hired directly by hitler IIRC. They also had people like Hanna Reitsch
<2023-05-21T01:48:17.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: "Many Germans feel guilty about the war. But they don't explain the real guilt we share – that we lost." Is the last thing Hanna said to the public on the matter of WWII
<2023-05-21T01:48:58.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: As for why women tend to be more agreeable, that's a whole lot I have to say on what and why there are differences between women and IDK how much you want to get into i
<2023-05-21T01:49:01.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: it*
<2023-05-21T01:49:44.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: but essentially my view is that men and women evolutionary took different roles because of how traumatic human childbirth is
<2023-05-21T01:50:16.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Relative to animals and whatnot human childbirth is pretty brutal and it's largely because of how overdeveloped our heads are
<2023-05-21T01:50:39.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: as a result the female body just has to be structured around this, and that makes it less efficient at physical tasks 
<2023-05-21T01:54:12.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: That, and the fact that a population's ability to grow is mostly dependent on the number of females and kind of independent of the number of males means that we have really high sexual dimorphism, where women are mentally wired to take on a less risky and physically demanding role while men are wired to be the risk takers and the ones who seek danger.
<2023-05-21T01:56:44.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: In social situations women tend to be more agreeable because throughout our early history a woman becoming a social outcast was very detrimental to a tribe, while losing a few men to death or social outcast or whatever wasn't a big deal
<2023-05-21T01:57:58.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: So it's more beneficial to have men who risk becoming outcasts in order to bring about change than it is for women, so that behavior is suppressed in women
<2023-05-21T01:58:29.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: But obviously there's still a lot of variance person to person 
<2023-05-21T01:58:50.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: so this is only talking across averages
<2023-05-21T02:00:03.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: And women do tend to get really riled up on matters that directly impact their children, which again makes sense since women naturally were the primary protectors of children during early human existence. 
<2023-05-21T02:33:02.000Z> Youngblood: Thank you, I'll look more into her. That's brilliant. 
<2023-05-21T02:33:42.000Z> Youngblood: I mean, maybe I'm being to...agreeable, but I really fail to see how many of that is controversial. It's all historical and logical. 
<2023-05-21T02:34:13.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: lol
<2023-05-21T02:35:09.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: The whole "men and women are the same" thing really made it hard to be honest about gender
<2023-05-21T02:37:54.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: So it's become controversial to say anything about the differences between us
<2023-05-21T02:38:17.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Though at the same time men have and still do try to use saying there are differences to treat women like second class citizens 
<2023-05-21T02:38:25.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: so I do understand where that comes from 
<2023-05-21T02:41:05.000Z> Youngblood: And the thing is, humans and modern society are the ones who placed emphasis on "equality." Nature isnt NOT equal, but it's not equal either. It's just nature, and different animals have different roles. Once we started putting emphasis on equality, then it hit the lower classes more, it hit women more, etc. Everyone wants to be important, everyone wants to have the most prestigious title or role. And I understand because a lot of roles in society have been devalued. If you were to go to a sheep farmer a hundred years ago,or better yet before the foundation of America, in peasant days Europe, how much would he have thought about being equal to royals? He'd probably think about his family, livelihood, and happiness. But this emphasis on absolute equality, while at the same time devaluing most normal roles, we've created disaster where no one is satisfied and we all want to act like we have no differences 
<2023-05-21T02:43:03.000Z> Youngblood: That's true. They say because women and men are different, we must be idiotic and shouldn't have a say. If we are going to have a democracy, why shouldn't half the population have a say in a society that affects them? It makes me feel like just a mule to give birth to those who get a say. 
<2023-05-21T02:44:38.000Z> Youngblood: But they just focus on women who are dumb, and there are dumb women, but they use them to say how that makes us all dumb. And it's just as bad as looking at a rapist and saying all men are, therefore you should all be imprisoned or something 
<2023-05-21T02:45:46.000Z> Youngblood: I will say though, this whole tranny thing has really made it hard for me to mention the differences between women and men. Because if I admit to that, they have fuel to say "well see, if you're different that means my brain is wired like yours." Not understanding the point at all about history, evolution, etc. 
<2023-05-21T02:47:47.000Z> Youngblood: And I don't know off the top of my head the stats of women and IQ or academics compared to men, but my husband mentioned to me that across races IQ is pretty different, but between genders in the same race they're actually pretty similar. Except both are better at different segments, but it balances it out to similar IQs scores. 
<2023-05-21T03:03:37.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Yeah equality has gone "too far" I would say. The right way to go about is is balancing "equal value" with an acknowledgement of the differences between each gender and between individuals. Not everyone is smart or talented at everything and while society shouldn't look down on or treat poorly people who aren't geniuses, it does need to elevate it's best and most moral people to positions of leadership and whatnot. 
<2023-05-21T03:04:18.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Same with men vs women, we should both be valued equally but fielding an army of 50% women would be a terrible thing
<2023-05-21T03:05:00.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Accept and work with the differences between people without devaluing people
<2023-05-21T03:05:53.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: That perspective really only works in a homogeneous nation though as when you throw vastly different ethnic groups into the mix the differences are so great it becomes impossible to value everyone equally without dragging one group down
<2023-05-21T03:06:45.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: And I agree when it comes to women should have some form of a say/representation in how society is governed 
<2023-05-21T03:07:47.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Its hard to find information about this now because wikipedia is so scrubbed, but I remember reading about the history of the age of consent laws in america (arguing with idiots) and what's interesting is that they were actually something women pushed for 
<2023-05-21T03:08:05.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: out of a concern for underage prostitutes and that sort of stuff 
<2023-05-21T03:08:38.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: there was a whole movement that pushed a lot of things modern right wingers would defend as great laws that was the result of women getting political for the first time
<2023-05-21T03:08:58.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: it wasn't even like men really opposed those things, just that without the perspective of women it wasn't a priority 
<2023-05-21T03:14:26.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: now a 50-50 split of all governing bodies probably isn't the solution, but I do think it's really important that women's perspective is brought up and considered, and it's hard to do that if women are totally barred from politics 
<2023-05-21T03:15:56.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: On the tranny thing, they're insane so either way you're going to have them use it against you. Look up John Money if you don't know who he is, he's basically an early founder of trans ideology and his beliefs were that gender was entirely socialization. 
<2023-05-21T03:16:40.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: He was also a terrible person and almost certainly a pedophile who's ideas drove two twin boys to suicide. 
<2023-05-21T03:19:51.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: There isn't a definitive answer on men vs women in iq but from what I can tell on average men and women are either equal or very close to equal (within like 3 points). It does seem to be the case that there are more exceptional men than women, and one explanation of this is that the male IQ has a broader standard deviation than female IQ, meaning at either end of the intelligence spectrum has more men while in the middle there are more women 
<2023-05-21T03:21:05.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Regardless of what's going on, there isn't any real evidence that women as a whole are significantly less intelligent than men as a whole.
<2023-05-21T16:59:36.000Z> Youngblood: Yes I see. And yeah, the military is having a lot of problems because of that. Not necessarily putting them in combat roles, but there are many grueling positions in the military physically, and trying to fill a quota of half women for it just doesn't work. The military is made up of mainly physical roles and now it's lowering standards by trying to shoehorn women into roles out bodies can't physically do. We don't need equal representation in something like that. 
<2023-05-21T17:01:09.000Z> Youngblood: Yeah that's why diversity isn't good. Nations are stronger when they're ethnically pure. And that goes for all nations. Zimbabwe doesn't need Europeans in it. Ireland doesn't need Chinese in it. 
<2023-05-21T17:03:49.000Z> Youngblood: Hey that's neat. I like how you put that. You're right, men and women both offer perspectives the other just can't really see. Yeah women shouldn't be barred. I don't know what the solution is anymore. I would be interested to see if there was every any form of government run by primarily women. I wonder how well it would have worked or succeeded. But adding quotas that we need "this much" of anything in our government is dumb. Like you said, it just adds a lot of disqualified people at the top. 
<2023-05-21T17:04:48.000Z> Youngblood: Oh yeah, I've heard of John Money and what he did to those twins. Never apologized either. Or Kinsey who was all for this sexual self. His data was skewed, he was a pedo, and people still lift him up. 
<2023-05-21T17:06:08.000Z> Youngblood: Nice to know about IQs. Interesting about the spectrum thing. 
<2023-05-21T17:06:37.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: From what I know there hasn't really been a society run primarily by women, even on a very small scale. 
<2023-05-21T17:10:28.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: I agree on the nation thing completely. And yeah john money is terrible. His ideas that gender was just socialization were pretty much conclusively disproven by his own fucked up experiments but he was trying to argue for tranny stuff. There's not really a perspective on gender differences we can take that trannys won't try to twist, we just have to be firm that gender is biological and that the mental aspects of it are a result of the same cause for the physical aspects of it.
<2023-05-21T17:47:18.000Z> Youngblood: Yeah that's unfortunate. It would be nice to see how it did or to compare. 
<2023-05-21T17:49:13.000Z> Youngblood: It's disgusting! Oh and now that his existence and what he did to those twins has been brought to life? TRAs are trying to downplay his involvement in gender identity. I've gotten told he barely had anything to do with it and I had a surface understanding of it because I brought him up. You're right, they're crazy. Nothing we could say could get through to them, no matter how logical or nice we are about it. They belong in crazy houses. 
<2023-05-21T17:49:44.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Yup.
<2023-05-21T17:50:04.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: It's a mental illness 
<2023-05-21T17:51:38.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: I feel bad for some of them, the ones who are genuinely just broken people
<2023-05-21T17:51:44.000Z> Youngblood: Oh don't say that, it got removed from the dsm-5 🙄
<2023-05-21T17:52:02.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: lol
<2023-05-21T17:52:13.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Science hasn't been trustworthy for decades now
<2023-05-21T17:52:20.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: everything is political 
<2023-05-21T17:52:51.000Z> Youngblood: Yeah, I've seen some who were really manipulated. And that's going to become higher soon with the children being transed. 
<2023-05-21T17:53:26.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Yeah. That's why they want it to start so young 
<2023-05-21T17:53:31.000Z> Youngblood: Agreed, I don't know how you feel about things like the pandemic or the vaccines, but I think that opened a lot of people's eyes to how unreliable science has become 
<2023-05-21T17:53:55.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: Oh boy that's a can of worms 
<2023-05-21T17:54:33.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: My opinion is that covid was real but they intentionally underplayed it in the first few months and then exaggerated how bad it was when it was politically convenient to
<2023-05-21T17:55:19.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: also the vaccine is obviously unnecessary for most ppl and since it's experimental technology and rushed I wasn't going to take it before all the stories of it being dangerous came out. 
<2023-05-21T18:03:08.000Z> Youngblood: Agreed. I actually got covid when I came back from Ireland. I was pregnant and I had never gotten the vaccine. Did you know those PCR tests can detect covid for up to four months? So I was six months pregnant when I got covid. Three months later I give birth. The day I gave birth was actually the same day I had taken a hospital tour. Because I wasn't vaccinated, I had to get a regular covid test done by some local place. It was negative, I toured, the end. That night, I go into labor. They do the PCR test on me and it detects covid. Obviously I don't have it because I had tested negative that day, and had had it three months prior. It made the entire birth a fiasco and the staff walked in like I was a disease. They had some giant, loud fan running. I couldn't take the gas I was going to because it was "airborne" and my covid germs could spread (even though I had the room to myself). And only my husband could be in the room, and he couldn't leave. It was bullshit. Most of the staff knew it was bullshit. But the hospital got extra money for having a "covid patient" with them. The entire thing is so twisted and definitely has an agenda. 
<2023-05-21T18:06:03.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: I hate it so much. Every aspect of it was mismanaged, inhuman and just about making money.
<2023-05-21T18:09:03.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: So many people suffered inhuman treatment like that for what turned out to be not much worse than the common cold.
<2023-05-21T18:13:12.000Z> Youngblood: Yeah completely agree. Same people saying women can have penises or children can take stuff we give to prisoners to sterilize them with no side effects or harm. And they wonder why people are losing faith in them 
<2023-05-21T18:14:30.000Z> KitlerIs6@seal.cafe: It takes a special type of evil to worm your way into positions of trust like that and then abuse it to hurt children for profit and social agenda. 